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The Sopranos 109-110 (Patreon)

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Grumples

I hope after the Sopranos we can complete the HBO Holy Trinity and watch Deadwood next!

Nathan Jasper

The newspaper column isn't uncommon. Granted Sylva is a small town, but our newspaper has a section for the goings-on at the college and one for the high school... mostly so parents will know what's up in the community and such. And for the gossip hounds to have something to talk about LOL

Dave P

"You are what you eat" 😁

newhastings

Silvo does have a daughter: the kid he offers $100 to score

FWPJR.

Finally, it’s Sopranos Tuesday again. I can’t wait to watch this reaction.

Skate Eight

"The old man's whistlin' through the wheatfields!" "He's a bushman of the Kalahari!"

Jordan Hume

They did explain the situation with the cop when he was first introduced. I think you guys were talking over it at the time. The cop is a degenerate gambler and owes Tony a TON of money.

Brandon

Between episode 9 and 10, waiting for them to puzzle out that a wheat field is a reference to pubic hair just made my holiday. 🤣

Stan the Man

Do they read these comments? I enjoy the reactions but it bugs me when they miss details like this.

Tom B

My understanding of the whole being “selfish” comment Charmaine made to Artie was that the boys dealing with the coach removes the ability for the girls to get any closure and deal with the situation that directly affects them

Cinebinge

hi Stan, we actually receive an email for every comment made on here and we do in fact read all of them. Especially because of moments like this with clarifications of added information or things we missed.

Ste Rawlings

George has alluded to Junior and Olivia being siblings a couple of times in the last few episodes. Just FYI, Junior is Tony's dad's older brother.

Ste Rawlings

Artie was thinking about how it made him feel (angry), and Charmaine was thinking about what was actually best for the victim.

Life in the cave of Garanoga

My favorite part of episode 10 is that when it aired the show was already receiving a degree of backlash for "glorifying the Mafia", which is expected, but that episode pretty much called out the fact that big business and media moguls are just as much gangsters as the mafia and they are way bigger. As George mentioned, their white-collar crimes hurt way more people.

Quis

17:38 It’s a local newspaper which have local news so a coach who is loved by the community will most likely have a section in the newspaper about any changes that’s happening in the local sports which includes highschool

Jobbe Smit

As I saw it put once, when you take vengeance on the rapist of your daughter she isn't just raped, she's also likely to lose her father to prison. So taking your own feelings of vengeance over her best interest is selfish. If you truly care for the victim you'll do what's in their best interest, not what makes you feel best.

JBK405

Tony's drive in the opening is possible, but no it's not "sensible". He drives a very loopy route to get from New York to North Caldwell, where he lives. It's more like a "tour" of the area. ------------------- When Tony keeps talking to Artie about putting money "on the street", he's talking about Artie being the money-supplier for loansharking. When somebody in the mafia loans somebody money, he has to get the physical cash from somewhere, and that's usually some other associate. The gangsters take care of collecting and muscle-work if the debtor doesn't pay up. It's "low risk" (compared to other involvement) and doesn't require Artie to physically hurt anybody himself, but it very much is IN the game. It's part of Tony's ongoing attempts to draw Artie in. Putting money on the street will come up throughout the series, and is a common way for mafia-adjacent characters to get involved. I agree that the way Charmaine said "you only think about yourself" and nothing more was very odd for the episode and wasn't a very logical argument. I think we can extrapolate from there to connect with what Melfi said, that this is about Artie (and Tony) being more focused on THEM fixing the problem than just having the problem be fixed. But it wasn't presented very well on-screen. ------------------- Chris's music adventure is one of the storylines that has a lot of references to real-life New Jersey history and culture that wouldn't have worked anywhere else. "Asbury", where Chris says that Silvio Dante owned clubs, is Asbury Park, a city on the Jersey Shore that is regarded as the music capitol of the region. Several of the biggest music acts in New Jersey got their start there in the '60s and '70s, and every band that tours through the region now makes a point of playing there at least once. On a second layer of the same subject, the actor who plays Silvio Dante is not an actor by trade, he's a musician. Steven Van Zandt is a member of the E Street Band, which is regarded as one of THE biggest bands to ever come out of New Jersey as the backing band for superstar Bruce Springsteen. One of their breakout albums is "Greetings From Asbury Park". So when Chris says that Silvio knows music, everybody who knows NJ culture gets that he KNOWS MUSIC since he actually helped create the current music world. Chris is correct that the music industry was heavily controlled by organized crime figures up to the end of the '70s, and a lot of them did really exploit their acts like Massive Genius said. There was also a lot of racial tension, which was reflected here. Jews at the time -- and still today depending on how you look at it -- were not considered "white" in American society and faced a lot of exclusion from certain jobs and industries. But they didn't face the SAME racism that African-Americans faced -- and still face -- so sometimes they would try to step on each other in order to raise themselves up. After all, if I push you down, doesn't that mean I'm doing better? John Gotti is a real-life crime figure. He was a member of the Gambino family in New York City, and eventually became head of that family. He was a very flashy and famous figure, and was eventually convicted in the '90s. Except for fictional characters, in the '90s and early '00s he was the one crime figure that was known by name nationwide. So these people asking Tony if he knows Gotti shows them latching onto the famous details.

mpd

The longer you put off this Recorder performance, the more built up it becomes in our imagination, now the expectations are through the roof

joe shmoe

The idea that white supremacists hate Jewish people more than black people is absurd. They see Jewish people as more of a threat, and they think they're far superior to black people. Therefore I would argue that they are, on some level, more capable of respecting Jewish people than black people. And in the US they have definitely reserved the more violent and overt hateful behavior for black people. They do consider Jewish people their primary enemy, but imo that doesn't mean they hate them MORE. It's just different flavors of fuckery

Brendan (edited)

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2026-09-24 15:00 I don't remember if they changed the opening after 9/11 because you do see the twin towers in the mirror. I think it is funny that Olivia Soprano was the mayor in the original Naked Gun. The press conference scene with the hot mic and the look on her face. 😂
2025-12-23 19:50

Eversharpe

"Cunnilingus and Periods" one of Tolstoy's lesser known works but no less important.

Cam

1x10 is easily the weakest episode of the series… it only goes up from here!

Twiska Brand

Okay, the ending conversation about this Peter guy was wild. That is honestly the stupidest thing I have heard in 2025.

Tall Paul

Can we have Peter and random ethnicity collector on as guests?

JoeE

The converted rice comment was likely a reference to uncle Ben’s converted rice, a famous brand with a black man as their brand image

Stan the Man

Awesome. Hopefully no one is too rude and spoils anything. Reason I asked is some patreoners(is that a word?) have mods or don’t read comments. Sopranos is a show where reading comments will really enrich the show for you, especially later on, so that’s great you take the time to read them. Thanks for responding. Hope you are digging the show

G B

Your comment omits a key piece of context as to why more Black American households have single parent homes: Mass incarceration. Jewish Americans and their communities haven't faced the same history of racism at a systemic level here in America. Your comment without that context frames it as a difference in cultures, which isn't true.

Brien

3 episodes next week to finish off season 1?

Mikebdrx

Peter had a 10/10 baddie and fumbled it..... Legendary

maikeru

obviously

Angzarr

I don't know if the opening credits drive makes geographic sense, but the Colby College visit a few episodes back sure didn't. There was also an ad on the radio about "for the freshest seafood, visit such-and-such in Waterville". Yeah, for the freshest seafood, definitely drive an hour plus inland!

maikeru

I'd rather like they watch Dexter after Sopranos

JBK405

Cutting one's finger to take an oath is part of the real-life initiation ritual to become a Made Man. It's been documented by informants and surveilance, but also been questioned as to how widespread it really is, if it was more prevalent in the past as opposed to now, etc. So these guys were asking Tony if the stories they've heard about that are The Truth, or just rumors. It's not a Godfather-specific question, it just came right after they asked about the movie.

temsik28

This band reminds me of the "Kitty" song by Presidents. "Kitty on my foot and I wanna touch it! Kitty on my foot and I wanna touch it!"

JBK405

Aye, he's switched topics to a different thing, going from "Was the movie realistic?" to "Was this other thing I've heard true?". They're just speed-running their prying, instead of staying on any one topic. Hence why they also switch to John Gotti (real person) soon after, instead of staying on either of the preceding conversation points. Like George said, it's not honest curiosity, it's poking animals at the zoo to see how they react.

simon brouillard

Donnie Brasco is awesome by the way, with Pacino and Depp

Guy-on-Couch

I live in Jersey and his route is all over the place, being a Mob boss he goes to a lot of meetings, that is the only way to explain the route he takes..

Snuggelbum

yes please! can't wait for them to get to season 2!

nj

bwahahaha!

maikeru

@Snug on february 3

DCray

Yeah, they were really beating around the bush... I'll see myself out.

MacGuffinStuff

"Ey Donnie Brasco! " Yep, definitely watch that movie. George was really on an interesting point with how Tony felt with the golf bros, when you get exoticized lol, like when you're exotic to people who come from a pretty monocultural place and experience, it can be fun, but also sometimes annoying. Casual racism is wild sometimes lol, I mean it's funny when it's just basically innocent ignorance, and not trying to be a chauvinistic asshole. Also reminded me of that fourth wall break in The Big Short when Jared, Ryan Gosling's character is like, "Look at his face, notice anything different?" And the room, Steve Carell and them, is mostly cringing already... "His name is Yang and he won a national math contest in China, he doesn't even speak English!" "Actually my name is Jeng and I do speak English, Jared likes to say I don't to make me seem more authentic; also I came in second in that competition." I just think that's such a funny scene and feeling, being in a room of people talking about you, not to you, and in front of you.

p0sthum4n

I ate some shrooms earlier, I'm on the come down, I'm watching these two episodes for probably the millionth time here, and I'm thinking James Gandolfini has to be one of the greatest actors who ever lived, right? Like one of the all time greats? The range of emotion he could go through in a scene on his face. This fuckin guy. 🤌

MacGuffinStuff

Okay I had to look it up, the Spanish language song that plays when Junior is in Boca, I swore it had to be Rocío Dúrcal, it is NOT, and apparently that's a common mistake, it's another singer who sounds so much like her. The song btw is called "Frente a Frente". Rocío Dúrcal is actually a Spanish singer and back when Cinebinge you were doing your music experiment, her rendition of a Juan Gabriel song (Juan Gabriel is btw Mexican, I like when Spanish and Mexican can just get along and enjoy each other's beauty) "Amor Eterno" was one of my 5 recommendations, it's a song that will bring tears. Her voice is ethereal, and Juan Gabriel wrote it about and for his mother when she passed, he gave it to Rocio after her 3 year old son died, he drowned in a hotel pool while she was on tour. If you watch the live performance, with the backing of a Mexican Mariachi band, she sings the most tragically beautiful song literally through tears. The lyrics though, ay mi corazón, me duele. I'm allowed to cry to that song, and after that I'm tough again 😂 Telling you though, that song wrecks me like, maybe worse than, "Nutshell" by Alice In Chains, knowing the backstory.

Simon Pegged Me

Where are you getting these statistics from? Jews are targeted by white supremacists, particularly neo-nazis and aryan groups. Even the Klan has pivoted to attack them, but to say they hate Jews the most seems a stretch. According to the U.S. Justice Department's 2024 figures, 53% of hate crimes were based on race, 27% on religion. Of the hate crimes based on race, 48% of them were against Blacks. You'd expect more anti-Semitic results if white supremacists hated Jews the most of all. Similarly, I couldn't find the statistics on Black households. The closest I could find said that while 48% of Black children live in single-parent households, while the percentage of Black households was a little over half of that. Admittedly, I didn't search too hard. I came here to discuss the Sopranos, not racial politics and racial biases. But regardless of the percentage of children in single-parent homes, you cannot link outcomes to that as an independent variable particularly across race and ethnicity; the factors affecting Blacks are too specific to their history to compare their outcomes to other races and religions without a lot of controls and caveats. Even so, it's a stretch to say that more than anything else, single-parent households are the obstacle Blacks need to hurdle for civil rights and equal opportunity. Trends show that Black incarceration numbers are going down as single-parent Black homes are going up, so more research is needed.

Simon Pegged Me

I hope they do Deadwood, too. I sympathize with your JOHN WELCH, but Simone and George have been able to contextualize misogyny and racism in historical dramas before. George laughed at Spock being called "Chinese," and made a joke after the sherif in Tombstone said he was the leader of the Anti-Chinese League. I think they'll be able to hand Deadwood. I think I'm more afraid they'll just think it sucks, but I carry that fear into every recommendation I make.

Simon Pegged Me

"Boca" seems to in a conversation with the opening scene of the Godfather, in which Bonasera asks Don Corleone for justice for his raped daughter. Bonasera talks first about how he did everything the "American" way, raising his daughter and living his life away from the community the Don leads, and going to the police and courts for justice, only to see the rapists get three years suspended sentences. Corleone responds, "You never think to protect yourself with real friends. You think it's enough to be an American. All right, the Police protects you, there are Courts of Law, so you don't need a friend like me." This is what Tony is confronted with when Melfi asks him who is he to right this wrong. This is a frequent topic for the show: the present mafia versus the old school mafia. Tony is the head of the family, in his eyes. He's suppose to protect the family from monsters, like this pedophile. To let the law handle this injustice within his community is just one more tug at the thread unraveling the old ways, the old sense of community. It weakens his family and makes his life just a little more meaningless. Nobody needs him.

Mastervodo

Donnie. Freakin'. Brasco.

Angzarr

Show recommendation: Mr. Inbetween, a really good Australian crime drama/comedy

zona999

A local city paper's sport section would absolutely report that a local HS's coach was moving up to a college coaching position, esp if they were well liked and successful w/the local team.

SANAMDEEP

the police officer who reports to tony is kevins dad from home alone btw :>

Fudgey

Fuck Peter!

simon brouillard

Rewatching the original naked gun and just realized for the first time that the mayor in the movie is Livia Soprano

Angela D. Mitchell

These are two of the most oddly endearing episodes about Tony yet, I think. I was surprised that he caught on to the way the golf guys were treating him -- it's another reminder that Tony often plays dumb but he's very sharp. Same with his apology to Melfi. And I was so moved by his laughter and hugging his wife's foot when he didn't resort to violence. He was so proud of himself. What gets me about this show is that Tony's little moments of humanity here and as we've seen so far are reminders that he could be described as a tragic figure. Because he is what he was created to be. Remember that first scene in Melfi's office -- he's staring at the statue -- and later at the painting -- and even his discussions with her are kind of poignant because nobody has ever asked him to think this way before. As we've increasingly been shown, all he was ever taught was violence and fear. And that he was stupid and unworthy and needed to prove himself. The opening credits are ironic to me because they talk about the "Chosen One," but Tony didn't really seem to be the "chosen one" of his generation, more like the kid they were forced to turn to but who still isn't loved or respected by his mother or by Uncle Junior. Speaking of which, George, the opening credits are Tony's drive home to his home in New Jersey from a meet in Long Island or somewhere similar. My take is that the point is that the trip is kind of a journey through the underworld -- through the ugly urban wasteland of Jersey to Tony's pretty little mansion at the end. Meanwhile, Christofuh's "converted rice" comment was his being super racist and calling the young black guy in the fedora "Uncle Ben." I think the point to the soccer episode was Tony's denial of violence when he is given the perfect reason to inflict it, and his instinct is to do so -- and enjoy it. So it is a kind of moral victory. As far as Charmaine, she's one of the few characters on the show I find sort of badly written. Her POV to Artie is constantly, "You KNOW they are bad people!" -- which, as Simone points out, yes, is true -- but she's also so stupid about it. If her POV is that "these are dangerous people," why is her only counsel to Artie to make stupid obvious mistakes that will only get him in MORE trouble? If they are enmeshed in these people's lives -- and they are, on both sides -- then they have to play the game a little. Which is why Charmaine making Artie turn down those cruise tickets was so mind-bogglingly dumb of her. Because if a mob boss tells your husband, "Take a trip," you take a trip. You don't yell about how the trip was unethically financed so it can't be accepted. I mean, this is the same woman who already ran Artie's restaurant with him, serving mob customers constantly -- and taking mob money. So her point of view just never works for me. Meanwhile, the music business episode was one of the funniest ever in the show. I was laughing so hard at the terrible lyrics and whiny lead singer. And of course Christofuh resorts to violence and trying to put the poor guy back on drugs! AGHGHG. And poor equally dimwitted Adriana. Both of them totally thinking they're swimming with the sharks when they're floundering around in the baby pool and being laughed at (just as Tony was being laughed at). Interesting little detail -- it looked like Hap (the music uncle guy) had a romantic relationship with the beautiful black woman we saw in the pictures. If so, that adds some complexity to his character and situation with the rapper's guys. (And to his feelings about his role in black music of the era.) Last but not least, it feels like a conflict of interest to me that everyone at the dinner party knew Melfi was Tony's shrink. And that they were discussing him like that so openly. I did laugh at her peeking over at his house from afar, as we hear the scream of his workout! (I mean, I would have peeked over too, just for the forbidden chance to see the patient's natural habitat!)

Angela D. Mitchell

Yeah, that wasn't unusual at all. It would be routine for that to make a small mention in the paper.

Angela D. Mitchell

I also think it's more than Tony trying to adhere to Old World values and right wrongs the old-fashioned way. It was also about the fact that Tony WANTED the excuse to commit violence. Because that's what he was brought up with and what he knows. He wanted to do it. He only questioned himself when Melfi asked him to examine his reasons for wanting to do so -- and whether it would actually help the situation. I liked that Tony recognized that not making that call was a moral victory for him and that he felt joy over it. It's kind of awful but also weirdly sweet. Because it really was. It was a sign of actual attempt to change.

Angela D. Mitchell

He was incredible. One of my favorite things about this show (and rewatching it here again with George and Simone) is enjoying his subtle brilliance all over again. He can communicate so much complexity in a single moment! He was amazing and gone too soon.

Bill B.

I miss the Star-Ledger, great local paper when they actually had quality.

Bill B.

I’ve lived in Sopranoland almost all of my life. Drive makes perfect sense to me. Down by the Holland or Lincoln tunnels, to 95, then through some of southern Bergen county (I assume the pork store is down by Lodi or Kearney) then through more suburbs until you get to the $$ mansion in West Caldwell.

Bill B.

They did replace the scene with the Towers. It was the right thing to do. I’ve lived in the area for most of my life, after 9/11 everyone knew someone who died in the attacks. Editing the intro was a gesture of respect for those we lost.

Bill B.

You know a show is great when you tear up a bit at a scene where a drunk mobster is proud of himself - and you’re proud of him - for not killing a child molesting soccer coach. That’s also a sentence I never thought I would write!

Bill B.

Whoever on the production team was tasked with creating a terrible band with a stupid name that plays awful music … I hope that person got a raise after this episode!!! “Defiler”/“Visiting Day” is definitely the worst band I’ve ever seen and I’m so glad they’re fictional 😂