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The Sopranos 309-310 (Patreon)

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newhastings

One of the greatest 3 episode runs in tv history coming up and its not even my favorite 3 episode run in the show

Skate Eight

Oh you guys are in for a treat next week. (If you know, you know)

Cam

Next week is gonna be amazing. 🔥

Anonymous Andy

One of the girls sitting at the bleachers during the pool vandalism scene is a young Lady Gaga

Matt O'Keefe

So Trill Symbiotes are lumps.

MeetMountain

When I watched this before I was curious about the gravy thing. I looked it up and Italian-Americans sometimes call simmered meat sauces. I would like to believe it was intentional showing him cooking JUST to show how much he sucks. lol

Michael

Calling it "gravy" is a cultural thing with Italian-Americans, mostly in the Northeast and mid-Atlantic; Italian immigrants wanting to assimilate began using the English word "gravy" to describe the sauces they brought over from Italy and it stuck for several generations. Used to hear it in my household! Edit: To be clear, I just meant to inform the duo since they seemed confused and had no reason to be aware of this already! I didn't mean it to come across as an attack or chastisement.

SANAMDEEP

next weeks run of episodes is arguably the best in the show imo

Maxi_Rad (edited)

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2026-10-19 05:00 With the variations and interruptions, I was expecting that they were dodging the copyright that was on "Happy Birthday to you" until 2016. Then I realized that Warner Bros was the one who owned the copyright and Warner Bros owns HBO.
2026-05-19 15:00

Erik D

Also, historically, macaroni (maccheroni) was the universal Italian term for pasta; today, its Portuguese cousin, macarrão, still serves as the default word for all noodles and pasta.

Brandon

Episode 9: "My pizza never hurt NOBODY!" "You tell me their names so I put my foot uppa their ass!" I love that owner of the pizza place so much. 🤣 I've known plenty of great eateries where the Italian business owners were like that. Of all the ways Jackie jr. annoys me, Meadow doing his homework drives me up the wall. "I just go an A on my lit paper!" The Happy Birthday song was still under strict copyright when this first aired. It went into public domain sometime in the 2010's, so before that it was a bit rare to hear it in movies or TV shows. HBO would have had to pay royalties for the song. They tease it twice and sing it fully once, otherwise they'd have had to pay for it three times.

Maxi_Rad (edited)

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2026-10-19 05:00 Tony's relationship with the Mercedes Woman definitely has "Call of the Void" written ALL over it.
2026-05-19 16:01

Peter K

Next week, episode 11, Pine Barrens...best ep of the show...

Russell Richardson

It’s not an art department fuck up George. That’s just how some Italians do their gravy. Usually with a pot on the side to add more at your leisure. And yes, some just call everything “macaroni”. It’s different regionally and generationally.

blerbaberpaterb

.....it's not an art department fuck up in that it's intentionally meant to look like he can't cook for shit.....let's not pretend anything done by Ralphie is "Italian".... Aside from Furio, calling any of the characters Italian is like calling Dr Seuss a real doctor ...... No Italians called their sauce gravy, it's ragu, sugo or salsa.... And to an actual italian, "macaroni" refers to the word maccheroni, which isn't a single shape but a broad, regional term for various types of extruded, tubular, and dried durum wheat pasta.....does that sound anything like what Ralphie was making....? Referring to them as Italians and saying it's Italian regional thing is just r/shitamericanssay.....

Russell Richardson

The owners of the place I used to work called it gravy. Some Italians IN AMERICA definitely do. I wasn’t saying all by any stretch, specifically I said some Italian Americans. And please don’t lump me into “shit Americans say” I’m from Germany🤣

Maxi

In Ep 10, the Jim Carry Grinch would have come out in November that year in universe.

Matt O'Keefe

Yeah, I have heard sauce called gravy plenty of times in shows and movies.

Carlos H

“Pussy, i loved that cocksucker like a brother and he fucked me in the ass.” 🤣

REDR58

Freaky. Do not like.

Matt O'Keefe

Annabella Sciorra is super hot.

REDR58

Jamie-Lynn Sigler (Meadow) is about 20 years old during the filming of this season.

Ari Ramirez

George, I want you to think about what kind of woman would be attracted to a DAD type body, maybe what kind of ISSUES she may have, nudge nudge wink wink

UNC

Have you heard the good news?

UNC

Funniest maybe. Not the best.

Deadly Ramon

14:00 If Meadow's in college, then she's at least 18, which in the U.S. means she's an adult woman. Exceptions would be those rare child prodigies on accelerated programs who begin college while minors.

DCray

They have also already referred to it as macaroni and gravy a few times in the show! My Italian in-laws use the same terms

Life in the cave of Garanoga

Highschool athletes in the US definitely get special treatment in many many schools. And it isn't just football. Just being in the varsity club in my school was a huge perk that no one talked about. I ran varsity track from 7th grade until 12th grade. I saw all sorts of stuff. Thankfully nothing super serious I can remember. But stuff like if I got detention I could just say I had a time trial or something that day and my detention would be eating lunch with the Vice principal watching basketball videos. Or just no detention at all. I had teachers flat out tell me they gave me extra points so I would pass and be eligible for the next meet. Awesome when you're a teenager, not so awesome when you look back on it all.

Matt O'Keefe

That second episode just brings up memories of the decade when I played Santa. I stopped about 5 years ago. It was fun. Thankfully, I didn't have to wear a wire.

Jarrod Wild

I found nothing odd in what Ralph was doing, nor his cooking tip for mixing a little of the "gravy" (pasta sauce) in with the noodles before serving. Maybe it's just that I grew up around Italian-American cuisine. Also he wasn't serving just the noodles with a little sauce mixed in, there was a whole other bowl of sauce for people to add at their discretion.

Peter K

On a show that had little humor, this episode not only provided it, it highlighted something else too. And that's all I have to say about that...

Raul Panzar

What's your fav 3 episode run?

Brandon

Episode 10: I think Artie's story is low-key one of the best subplots in the show. He clearly wants the life Tony has, but is clueless to the stress he deals with from being the boss. He wants to cheat on his wife, Charmaine (when they weren't going through a divorce), but just can't seem to pull it off. The added complications that affairs add to Tony's life is another thing he's completely oblivious about. Artie's stressful, but honest living and the brutal realities of Tony's life of crime are juxtaposed beautifully throughout the entire series. The flashbacks to when Jackie Sr. and Big Pussy were alive was somewhere in 1995. The TV newscasters in the background were talking about the OJ Simpson civil suit, which was the second trial. If it was 95, the trial wouldn't have started yet. In early 97 the jury found OJ liable for both wrongful death and battery of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman. It was no murder conviction, but at least it was something. I remember not even learning that OJ died until almost a year after it happened. Crazy to think about, since he dominated the news cycle for the entire second half of the 90's. He was still making news in the 2000's with minor legal troubles as well as that Las Vegas robbery in 2007 involving sports memorabilia. This episode aired in April of 2001, after the live-action Grinch movie with Jim Carey was released November of 2000. Chris' line about it was likely written several months before the film came out, though. I'm guessing the writers knew and inserted that joke.

Mike M

56:10 Macaroni and gravy. Not saying it wrong. A lot of Italian-Americans use those phrases. My family for the last 125 years.

sonowthen (edited)

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2026-09-05 05:00 Italian Americans often refer to sauce and pasta as gravy and macaroni. You then ladle on the sauce yourself, hence why the 'ratio' Ralph put in was only for added flavor as he explains. These two are three seasons into this show and think the writers don't know about details like this?
2026-05-19 19:13

blerbaberpaterb

......'these two' as you so condescendingly refer to are not italian-americans..... so why are you expecting to know what a specific subset of people call a specific subset of food......? .....also, do you think just cause a show has been going for a few seasons the writers or set decs are immune to making mistakes.....?

Raul Panzar

Tony exudes confidence and charisma, but he also wears his status. Tony sports a gold Rolex watch and tends to wear expensive Italian suits, even to therapy. I think Gloria picked up on that immediately, especially since she sells high-end cars to rich people.

blerbaberpaterb

......at what point do you stop using that italian prefix and just be americans......? for a country so proud of their identity and anti immigrant, you guys sure like to tag on prefixes to make sure people know your great great grandfather was 1/16th immigrant....

REDR58

"All gravy is a sauce, but not all sauce is gravy”? I’ve Italian-American friends who *definitely* call sauce “gravy.”

blerbaberpaterb

......yeah they really are made for eachother to go down in flames considering tonys uh.... parental issues......

Mike M

Or maybe I was using the phrase to maybe differentiate from Indian-Americans or Chinese-Americans.

REDR58

“Enter the Void”?

blerbaberpaterb

......theyre suppose to just remember every phrase ever said....? people cant just forget things now.....? how about this then...... its the 9th episode of the third season with "these two" that youve watched......how is it youre still not getting that "these two" have actual names and are just people..... people with flawed memories and can just forget things or make fucking banter that means nothing......

blerbaberpaterb

.....its such a specifically american thing.....george just refers to himself in the past as canadian, never chinese-canadian...... simone has only ever called herself canadian even though canada is an entirely immigrant country..... ive never heard a single person where i am refer to themselves as "italian-french" or "chinese-french".....no one else does this but your country...... who again, loves to tell everyone else about their american-ness....

Mike M

Ok. Some Americans of Italian descent call it macaroni and gravy. FWIW most people just call themselves American. Because there are many different ethnicities, it can be easier to add the extra for certain conversations. Drop most of us literally anywhere in the world and we are American and it’s obvious to everyone including ourselves.

REDR58

The Telltale Moozadell Blame Christopher for Meadow singing “Carmela” instead of “mom.” This episode is written by Michael Imperioli. I know people who call their mother or father by their given names. There are people in my family who call aunts and uncles but their given names as well. It’s weird to me, but they do it. At first, I thought Christopher was giving Adriana dance lessons at the club! The movie that Tony is watching in bed is "Its a Gift" (1934) with W.C. Fields. The band “Miami Relatives” is the fictional name of the real band “Scout” and “Miami Relatives" is the name of one of Scout’s songs. Ashen Keilyn is the lead singer: http://www.scoutscoutscout.com/ https://youtube.com/@scoutnyc Edited for massive cut and paste duplication.

blerbaberpaterb

......sure... my question still stands though..... 125 years you said..... at what point do you stop using that identifier......? why not go further back and just be italian-british then since at some point the american in you is just british right.....? why not roman-american......? or why not just african american since you go far back enough thats just where everyones from.....? 125 years is like 5 generations...... at what point do you just stop having a claim to it.....?

Honey Hermsen

George asks something. Simone: "I don't remember that at all" every single time

REDR58

To Save Us All from Satan's Power The O. J. Simpson trial ended in October 1995. Big Pussy mentions Villanova (University). I grew up near that campus in suburban Philadelphia. Good school. Pussy also talks about having to go on a $5000 cruise on the “Dawn Princess” in 1995, the year of the flashback, but the real ship didn’t make its maiden voyage until 1997. If it’s an error, it’s an interesting error to make because if someone knows enough to look up the name of a cruise ship that sailed in 1995, then why not pick a different vessel? Perhaps no cruise ships launched that year in the area. George, “Skrulls” not “Krull” is the Marvel reference. “Krull” (1983) is a science fiction movie you should definitely watch and I assume that the writers are referencing the movie. When Melfi mentions Bill Curtis, he is a now-retired investigative reporter.

Jason

He could have said it nicer, but I think the fact that they both literally shit on what Ralph was doing by saying "thats spaghetti noodles" and "dont know what im more disturbed by the shitty cooking or the way hes saying everything wrong." So yea, it can be easily be seen as shitting on Italians when this is literally what Italians, people and restaurants do. So just because you're ignorant/naive of what a culture does, doesn't mean you need to shit on it. I know it wasn't done on purpose by Simone and George, but it happens a lot.

Jason

Quit trying to argue just to argue. Also you have enough ..............in..............your...............attacking...........posts...........?...........

blerbaberpaterb

......are we doing this again.....? reactors cant just say what they think and hate on a character thats designed to be hate on......? its janice all over again..... .....also, calling a bunch of new jersey people Italians is some serious americanism......they are LITERALLY not italians..... theres a whole episode about them feeling out of place when in actual Italy..... its not that hard to look up what actual italians called their pasta sauce..... and it very much isnt gravy......thats a british word carried over to the US..... in itally its sugo, ragu or salsa..... no one there calls it gravy...... .....and again, if S&G didnt know something, and thought it sounds weird.....how is it wrong for them to laugh at it......? if they didnt know theres a regional US name for something......? what theyre suppose to fact check everything before theyre allowed to laugh..... or think something is strange......? youre expecting them to know what they dont know.....?

Thomas Young

In Italian American parlance, the red tomato pasta sauce is called gravy. And macaroni is a general term for pasta of all kinds. And as for how he prepared the pasta, he added a small amount to soak into the pasta, and it will be tabled with the rest of the sauce separately. Each person eating will get the pasta they want, and then add the amount of sauce they want. There’s a lot of other specific phrases and words they use. You may remember them using the phrase moulinyan (or moolie) to refer to a black person. This may have been why you didn’t pick up on how racist Tony is early on. He usually uses moulinyan.

BigM

I think it's pretty funny that it's almost the most shocked I have seen George during this show was Ralphies cooking scene.

Philipp Roensch

I believe the Mercedes saleswoman noticed: wallet buldge, goes to the same therapist, would probably buy a car. She also boasted with ruining multiple merriages, saw a ring and takes that as a challenge. I fear they want to tell us something about snakes and liars^^. Intersting how Pussy stil haunts Tony, the guy of course.

Thomas Yanez

This is not in any way a critique of George, but I'm genuinely curious. I know he has even referenced the issue of pronunciation of "woman" vs "women". But, why is it I keep seeing/hearing from a variety of media sources this use of "women" (plural) and "woman" (singular) being reversed or just used interchangeably? Is this one of those "language evolves" things that I'm just going to have to suck up and deal with?

G P

Can't wait for next week!

Jonathan Eaton

I think Ralphie only adds a little bit of sauce to the noodles so they don't stick together when he put them back on the heat, and they will put more sauce on when they eat.

Thomas Yanez

Regarding the "Happy Birthday" song... episode S03E09 aired in the early 2000's, but it wasn't until 2015/2016 that the song finally became public domain, so TV shows couldn't use it without dealing with copyright issues and potentially some crazy licensing fees (a TV show licensing music isn't usually just a one time thing or a set fee - you may have to pay licensing according to a number of factors, including regional distribution, rerunning and home video (or you had to edit the re-released versions to not include the music.)) Easier and cheaper to just make up your own version of a birthday song.

Angzarr

Belladonna Day Spa!?! Sure, and after they can get a quick bite at the Cyanide Cafe and tour the Arsenic Art Gallery... Is it just me or did the pizza shop scene have big Dragnet energy? At 1:45:16 where George seems confused, this is referencing the song "He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother".

REDR58

I’ve no idea if it will come up in that episode, but I really hope there is reference to the Jersey Devil!

Collinson

Tony knows Janice was in the wrong and deserved what happened but because of his position he can't allow someone to do that to his family or he would look weak.

Thomas Yanez

Yeah, that's what my mom did. We always poured on our own sauce to taste at the table.

Jason

Yeah, that was really cringy listening to them laugh and say Ralph was wrong.

Jonathan Eaton

George needs to see Fatal Attraction (1987) Thriller/Romance Starring Michael Douglas and Glenn Close.

newhastings

Season 6 Episode 18, 19, 20. Cant give away why but if you know you know.

newhastings

Honorable mention to Season 5 Episode 11, 12, 13 for being two of the best in the whole show and a pretty solid season wrap up

Donna Castellano

The lyrics Tony sings are from "Sixteen Candles".

MacGuffinStuff

I remember those singing bass wall plaques, they were all the rage that one Christmas, as seen of TV gift that some uncle got as a gag gift. This show is a little bit of a time machine experience sometimes.

p0sthum4n

One of the best dialogue details in episode 10 is Paulie bringing up how Tony's dad started the Satriale's Christmas tradition — because there was a lot of sadness on the block, because old man Satriale (whose pinky Johnny Boy Soprano had previously cut off in front of Tony) hadn't been able to pay off his debts, Johnny Boy had taken over the butcher shop from him, and he killed himself. Tony's dad started the tradition to cheer up the neighborhood because of something he himself was at the root of. Total lack of self awareness or accountability, just like all of them. "And that's why you should neva, eva gamble, Anthony."

Jamie H

I can see that a few people have covered the "gravy", so I won't go into that. Just a couple of other things: - with Chris's idea of The Grinch, I think the idea is just to show that he actually has some ideas/talent in that area (much like we saw an earlier episode at his acting classes); - re Tony and Janice: I don't think she is manipulating him quite the way you think. Tony is *absolutely* aware of who/what she is. He knows she brought it on herself and that she deserves it. He just feels that he has to do something (back when it happened, he said "if I don't do something, how's it gonna look?"). Even when he asked Svetlana to move out of Livia's house, he knew what Janice was doing - it's just easier to do than to have to deal with Janice. Some of the Tony/Janice scenes are amazing, especially when they are alone together and don't have to worry about any kind of facade they put up for others.

Snuggelbum

i'll just add this on copy/pasted from ChatGPT because i don't have time to type it out and explain it myself: Some Italian-American families in places like New Jersey, New York, and Philadelphia really do use terms like “macaroni” for pasta and “gravy” for tomato sauce — but it’s regional, generational, and family-specific rather than universal. A few nuances: “Macaroni” meaning all pasta Older Italian-American communities, especially descendants of southern Italians (Sicilian, Neapolitan, Calabrese, etc.), often used “macaroni” as a generic English word for pasta. You’d hear things like: “We’re having macaroni tonight” “Sunday macaroni” This usage was more common among immigrants and their children in the early-to-mid 20th century. Younger generations usually just say “pasta.” “Gravy” for tomato sauce In some Italian-American families, especially around North Jersey, Brooklyn, Staten Island, South Philly, and parts of Rhode Island, “gravy” refers to a long-simmered tomato sauce cooked with meat: meatballs braciole sausage pork ribs The distinction in those households is often: Sauce = simpler tomato sauce Gravy = meat-based Sunday sauce Other Italian-Americans think calling it gravy sounds bizarre and would never say it. The terminology partly comes from dialect translation and immigrant adaptation. Southern Italian dialects used words like ragù and sugo, and immigrants mapped them imperfectly onto English terms already available in America. Popular culture exaggerated this too — especially shows like The Sopranos — so outsiders sometimes assume every Italian-American in New Jersey talks that way. In reality: some families absolutely do, some did a generation ago, many never did at all. So the stereotype has a real basis, but it’s not a universal Italian-American thing. (It's basically a language barrier thing from when Italian immigrants first moved over)

Snuggelbum

@ceghwwww are you having a bad day mate?

Snuggelbum

@ceghwwww calling tomato sauce for gravy and pasta for macaroni is basically just a translation error from back in the days when italian immigrants came into the country, and were starting to learn english. gravy kinda sounds like ragu etc, so they just stuck with words that worked for them at the time, to make themselves understood. im sure the first or maybe even second generation immigrants used the correct terminology in their own language, and between themselves, like pasta, ragu, sugo etc. but over time as they became more american, and english their first language, these old habits of calling it gravy and macaroni etc just stuck.

Simon Pegged Me

“..... at what point do you stop using that identifier......?” The short answer is never. Italian American, African American, etc., are ethnicities, not nationalities. The people who identify themselves with those terms represent cultures that developed in the United States of America from their immigrant or enslaved experiences, and they don't have to surrender their ethnicity to be United States citizens or “Americans.” It would be sad and a great loss culturally if they did. Other countries have forced immigrants to assimilate to a national identity as a condition of citizenship. The United States has not. Though it has had its rough moments—and will have others in the future, no doubt—it is a nation of immigrants, a cultural melting pot, or, as my nephews have been taught, a salad, in which each component remains distinct while contributing to the whole. (“Melting pot” implies that lose that distinction when the blend in to the whole.) It doesn't matter how long a people has been here. They don't have to give up who they are or erase their stories to become American. That is the rah-rah version of the American narrative, I know, but when you said, “ive never heard a single person where i am refer to themselves as ‘italian-french’ or ’chinese-french,’” I took that to mean we were using ideals. It may be true that you've heard no one use the hyphenate Americans use so freely, but I don't think the cultural identities those hyphenates represent are absent from France, especially among immigrants from its former African colonies. Those French nationals often identify with the culture of their native countries over the one of their adopted country, and they struggle with forging an identity to represents who they are.

Cromulentius

Hoo boy. I'm betting you guys have already reached this episode, but, for any of my fellow bingers who are watching this for the first time, trust and believe they will absolutely explore why Gloriaa felt an instant attraction to Tony. On top of that, anytime Tony gets with a long-term mistress, it's safe to assume that he's acting on more than just basic lust. Every one of them serves some emotional or psychological need for him, and, once he feels that he's satisfied that need, he'll typically look to offload them at the earliest opportunity. Some people self-medicate for mental illness with drugs and alcohol. Tony, on the other hand, consistently gravitates towards women as his substance of choice. Freud would probably have a field day with that one, but I'm no expert.

megamoo chilli

The nineties are strong with this show. I remember those Billy Bass things. They were everywhere. And then they weren't. Do George and Simone get the joke that its like a stuffed fish that someone mounts on their wall.. and then it suddenly comes to life and sings. It had a sensor that would trigger when someone walked by. It's prime Monty Python style comedy. My boomer dad had one and thought it was hilarious.

Stan the Man

Season 6 has so many great 3 episode runs. 6B(aka season 7) is nothing but banger after banger. Chasing It is the only episode in the bunch I wouldn’t give an A+ to. Sopranos Home Movies, Stage 5 and Remember When are just *chefs kiss*. I’ve read just about every “making of” ever written about this show and Chase was so close to upping the episode count of 6B to include another episode. What’s crazy is season 6 originally was only going to be 10 episodes. Then it was upped to 12. What a lot of people don’t know is they began filming season 6 with the 12 episodes written/planned. They had completed 4-5 episodes of filming before Chase realized he wanted more episode. This is when 6B was announced(which was only given the moniker of 6B due to contractual issues, had it been labeled a 7th season, the cast would be given the right to renegotiate their salaries but Chase considers 6B as a 7th season). So anyways, 6B was announced and it was going to be 8 episodes. Then it was upped one last time. During the 6B shooting Chase thought again he needed more episodes which HBO was happy to do. Ultimately he decided against it. What I’ve always wanted to know is, what was the plan for the original version of season 6 when it was just going to be 12 episodes. Interestingly season 6 is the only season of the show where not a single script has ever been released or leaked or shown up on eBay. Season 1-5 there’s loads of episodes you can track down shooting scripts for. Not season 6 tho. Anyways, 4 dollars a pound.

Nicholas DiNardi

Yeah, telling Italians they're doing their culture wrong and hearing the way they pronounce "pasta"

blerbaberpaterb

....reading a bunch of americans calling fat guys from new jersey 'italians' is cringy.....hell the show itself made a whole episode about it next season, about how these guys are just larping at being italian and the ONLY italian on the show, from italy, doesnt do or believe any of the things they do..... .....secondly. In Italy, people usually don’t say “pasta sauce” the way English speakers do. They use more specific words depending on the sauce: “Sugo” — a general everyday word for a sauce for pasta, especially tomato-based sauces. “Salsa” — also means sauce, but often sounds a bit broader or more formal. “Ragù” — meat sauce, like the sauce associated with Bolognese. “Condimento” — literally “seasoning” or “dressing”; can mean whatever is used to dress the pasta. Examples: sugo di pomodoro = tomato sauce ragù alla bolognese = Bolognese meat sauce pasta al pesto = pasta with pesto As for “macaroni”: In Italy, “maccheroni” (singular: maccherone) is a real pasta shape, but it does not mean all pasta generally. Italians are much more specific about pasta shapes than Americans tend to be. ..... you guys are all actually taking your ignorance about Italy itself and projecting some false outrage at their ignorance.....

Michael

No one is being ignorant, no one is calling them Italians. We're not talking about Italy; we're talking about established cultural differences between Americans, specifically the descendants of Italian immigrants living in the American northeast. Terms like "Italian-American", "Irish-American" etc. are longstanding- for many decades - descriptors of specific cultural groups in and specific to the USA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Americans Also, you're lashing out for no reason: no one is attacking Cinebinge. Well, one user called it cringe and that seems to have gotten you up in arms, but I was just informing them about the use of the word "gravy" in this context since it confused them. I didn't realize informing them was suggesting they did something wrong...

blerbaberpaterb

.....yeah you might not be Michael, but the other replies are all saying just italian..... in addition to just being unnecessarily rude for something so insignificant.....sure, they showed their ignorance.....and? are they food critics..... watching a show cooking show.....?.....its so easy to treat people on screen as not people but characters, as if S&G were written this way.....

Michael

Apologies, yes some users are just saying Italian. I do that too but only because here in the NE USA, in context of Sopranos for instance, the "-American" is often understood/implied. Like a kind of short-hand, but taken literally I get the confusion. And yes, I see now that some users expressed a bit of a overharsh criticism of the duo but then it seemed you made a blanket condemnation of the concept of Italian-Americans, but perhaps I misread. If I mistook your message I apologize!

Stan the Man

Are you being obnoxious with the periods on purpose? Everytime someone says something even mildly critical of the reactors like correcting them or taking issue with how they approach things, you are on here with your ridiculous “…” and being kind of a jerk to people. You are all over this comment section embarrassing yourself with this strange behaviour. You seem to take it all personally.

Stan the Man

What the hell kind of xenophobic BS is this? If you have a problem with African Americans or Italian Americans calling themselves this as a proud identifier, I suggest you educate yourself rather than coming off like an ignorant buffoon.

Stan the Man

“Poor You” Tony’s reaction. See that’s why everyone needs to watch this show multiple times. It’s stuff like that that makes it great.

Stan the Man

You have zero idea what you are talking about. As usual.

Rob Parry

As a kid I would go to my Italian Grandma's in Newark for macaroni and Sunday gravy once a week. No one there I knew called it sauce. And even though the scene showed Ralph and Jackie making a mess, what Ralph was doing putting the pasta back on the stove with a small amount of sauce and butter and heating it up for a minute is a method used in many Italian restaurants.

Adam Vialpando

I always find it interesting the revelations Tony and the others have in episode 10. Because not only did Pussy admit to being an informant for like a year and a half, but in private his FBI handler confirmed he had only been an informant since '98. The flashback took place in '95. So just like Pussy himself back in S2, they are using their own perspectives to mold what happens to fit their beliefs.

Stan the Man

@ Peter K “on a show that had little humour”. Sopranos is known as one of the funniest dramas ever made. It’s practically a comedy. What do u mean?

Stan the Man

Damn it. You beat me to the punch. The way the show implements the song is actually a little in joke. There’s an interview somewhere with David Chase where he talks about how as soon as you put the words “to you” after “Happy Birthday” you owed a license fee every time & that it wasn’t cheap.

Stan the Man

@RedR58 I don’t wanna spoil anything but if you remember to mention this next week, I’ll share a piece of trivia about that as it pertains to the episode.

JBK405

Episode 3x09 has one of the deepest Jersey-isms of the series: When Chris gives Adriana the club he says that she will make it the hottest place since the Stone Pony. The Stone Pony is a club in Asbury Park, and is regarded as a crucial part of the NJ music scene. The Stone Pony is where Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band played when they were starting out, and most big acts that tour through NJ make it a point to play there at least once. if you don't know this history, then it's just another beachfront bar like any of a hundred others along the Jersey Shore. But if you're "from Jersey" then Chris's line takes on a whole new meaning.

Teddy Roosevelt

Especially when Simone mispronounces “pasta” every time lol.

Angela D. Mitchell

Seriously, George? You're STILL arguing -- for 15 minutes straight -- about whether a fat guy can be hot? And whether someone who looks like Gloria would be attracted to him? It's frustrating that you continue to fat-shame Gandolfini as so unattractive that you can't believe anyone would genuinely have the hots for him. (Which is funny because back in the day, thousands of online viewers were panting over Tony.) It's especially noticeable since you also make an over-the-top thirst comment (often paired with a crude joke) about almost every stereotypically thin, hot female to walk onscreen. Are you really only able to see certain looks and body types as attractive? Does everyone have to be porno-worthy to be f*ckable? What a boring world that would be. And bringing Gandolfini's real-life weight problems into the conversation just feels like a cheap shot. The question isn't, "Does JG have a weight problem?" The question is, "Is Tony attractive?" And yeah, plenty of people would say yes. So I don't know why you can't let this go. And I would ask you to take a second look at your biases here, that you -- openly and repeatedly -- cannot imagine onscreen characters reacting to Tony or other heavy people as if they are actually attractive. Why is body diversity and the idea that everyone likes something different so hard for you to get past? I adore you guys, but honestly, this really bothers me and because it's so relentless it's affecting my ability to keep enjoying your reactions to this show. Thanks for the chance to share my 2 cents.

Angela D. Mitchell

I don't know why so many replies in this episode thread are literally trying to "explain" why Gloria to be attracted to Tony when the truth is easy: Tony's attractive. No, he's not young or thin, and yeah, he's balding (as George keeps pointing out), but as you note, he's confident and charismatic, and I'd go further to say that Gandolfini was a genuinely attractive guy in his own way. George's persistent questioning of how and why Gloria would ever date him really demonstrates some uncomfortable biases. Hot people really do come in all shapes and sizes.

Bill Douglas

Tony Soprano is a high-status, assertive, alpha male prick. A man like that will never lack for women who want to sleep with him for the same reason powerful corporate CEOs or wealthy doctors (if they wished to live that way) would never lack for women who want to sleep with them. And beyond that, Tony/Gandolfini is tremendously charismatic and magnetic.

clout strife

just logging in to remark how silly you guys look laughing at the italians for their use of the word gravy kek also i wanna bait that mad alpaca

Cinebinge

Hi Angela. Thank you for your feedback and I am sorry to hear my words have affected you so negatively, it is never my intention. Please understand that my discussion about James Gandolfini's weight and the character Tony Sopranos relationship with Gloria are two different things. Its not a secret James struggled with his weight and had a habit of eating every plate of food presented to him on set when other actors would take a few bites and pretend. I bring up his weight not as a judgement but as sympathy, as a fairly heavyset man myself as any whos met me in person can attest. To me, witnessing the change between seasons back to back is a sad thing knowing where it eventually leads. However, the question and uncertainty between Tony the character and Gloria is a different matter as at the time of my question, in my mind her attraction towards him was there the moment he walked in the door. No words were exchanged besides a nod, which to me, means it must only be physical as theres no chance to know the other person or gage anything else about them in those 2 seconds. So i do wonder why, what drove her to him so quickly, especially since she clearly is a well off and successful person on her own rather than someone like Tracee for example, who needed help and support. That is not the same as me indicating everyone must be "porn star hot" as you put it. In fact, i recall many times where i celebrated the show for its authentic portrayal of people. I in fact strongly dislike the 'emily in paris' look of newer content, where every woman is a heroin chic runway model and every guy has a super hero physique for no reason. But understanding that fact, and wondering what drives a character to be attracted to another is, in my mind, separate things. With all that being said, i apologize that my comments and discussion have caused offense, it is by no means the intention.

Bill Douglas

“Ceghwwww-“ I’m not sure what your reply has to do with my comment, except that you seem to be struggling with the “Is-Ought Problem..”

Jpsynergy

This bothered me too and it did come off as you implying someone could not be attracted to Tony on sight, which is ludicrous. Strange turn the commentary took, didn't like it lol

Jpsynergy

Meadow is actually a little shit these episodes lol

Angela D. Mitchell

Thanks so much for the reply, George and Cinebinge. I'm so appreciative for the dialogue, and that my feedback was taken supportively. A few further notes to your very kind response: 1. George, you describe yourself as being "fairly heavyset." But dude, you are a perfectly attractive guy, and your fiancée is a lucky woman. Please stop judging yourself like that. You and Simone are lovely people who deserve your partners who appreciate you! Don't apologize for who you are. 2. I was devastated at Gandolfini's loss. I wrote about it when I was an entertainment reporter. And yes, I wish he'd taken better care of himself and lived dozens of decades. But. I still feel like Gandolfini's weight problem and eating habits or disorder provide an easy opportunity to fat-shame. Tony is who he is; Gandolfini's greed echoes Tony's. But 15 minutes of wondering why Gloria is attracted to that is maybe still something to reconsider in how you view people. 3. I absolutely agree that there were contributing factors to Gloria's attraction to Tony. Girlfriend obvious has issues. But the "inexplicable" aspect of her attraction bugged me here in your opening -- what if there WAS no issue, just that she found him hot? No dialogue, no nothing? Just a confident, heavyset, visibly attractive and successful man in the waiting room? Just something to think about. 4. I've appreciated that you saluted "The Sopranos" for its less than perfect cast, George. But your trend has also been to "salute" the imperfect men with their paunches and unattractiveness while totally not addressing the ridiculously beautiful/objectified women around who them exist only to satisfy them. Look, I know how I sound -- I really do. I'm insufferably preachy here. And I enjoy looking at beautiful people onscreen as much as anybody else. It's just that for me there's a lot more beauty than thin, young, and hot. Meanwhile, I'll shut up now, I swear. And thank you for the dialogue. Fist my bump!

Christophe

@Jason George unfortunately has that tendency, when he sees something that doesn't conform with what he knows, to instantly think "the show/character must be wrong", and not "maybe there is something I'm unaware of". It can be quite irritating at times because it comes across as so arrogant. Especially in this instance, where they have been using "gravy" in this way on the show since season 1. It was surprising to me as well when I first heard it but after like the second mention I looked it up and educated myself. Pay a little attention ffs.

Bill B.

Came here to talk about macaroni and gravy and glad it’s been taken care of.

Michael T.

I compltetly believe AJ doesn't know what gutters are. Not because of how he grew up or because of wealth, but because he's a fucking idiot.

Domino

Obviously this is old, I'm a new Patreon and catching up on their watching my all-time favourite show, but I'm reading through the comments and I just want to applaud you. I always found Gandolfini to be hot, and you're right that when the show was airing he had a large number of women swooning for him, myself included. George is not the first guy who has unfortunately wondered how anyone could be attracted to Tony, but most men think girls want the buff guy for some reason. It's weird.