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Star Trek: TNG 515-516 (Patreon)

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ChiefKC

Star Trek Day!

gfixler

Star Trek Day, in the dark! It's dark where Simone's watching, and it's dark where I'm watching right now. It feels like we're in space. 🚀

gfixler

Icarus mentioned! ICARUS FIGHTS MEDUSA ANGELS KIDKID ICARUS KIDKID ICARUS

Cc Decc

These two not so much, but next week 517-518 are a really strong pair.

Matrim

That “double hand punch” that Star Trek loves to do is called an “axe handle” or sometimes a “hammer blow.” They used it in TOS because it was safer for the stunt men and because Gene thought it looked more advanced than just throwing punches. Later series kept it mostly out of tradition.

Korpse

Angel's in the outfield 💚

TalynOne

They didn't take over the ship, they took over ten-forward. So, no it wasn't easy this time to take over the ship, even with Data and Miles having deep technical knowledge of the ship and it's operations. I like the extra touch that the "crew" of Essex hated Worf so much,. Klingons of that era were straight up bastards .

blerbaberpaterb

i think taking over a ship doesnt necessarily mean control of helm, if you can make the captain and the main crew do what you want them to do for a time, youve taken over the ship. you dont need to actually be at the controls to take over. like a car jacker doenst have to be at the steering wheel to take over the car, he can just sit at the back and point a gun at the driver or a hostage. thats still taking over the car.

TalynOne

Nah, Picard would have set a self destruct before allowing a true takeover. He was just buying time.

Data Cable

"The Enterprise has moved into a synchronous orbit near the southern polar region." Umm, yeah... that's, at best, misleading, or at worst, impossible. "Synchronous" only means the orbital period matches the rotation period of the planet, regardless of its eccentricity or inclination. One can "move into" such an orbit at any point, but if done so over the south pole, they will just be over the north pole 1/2 orbit later. The implication is that this is a *stationary* orbit near the south pole, which isn't a thing. Stationary orbits are a subset of synchronous orbits, that are also circular, in the direction of planetary rotation, and directly over the equator.

REDR58

George, I do not believe we have heard of and definitely have not yet seen a Daedalus-class starship in this show yet but you will see one later on. They are rather distinctive design of starship. And as far as Troi’s range of powers, they are again set by the plot.

Jomero

I'm excited for next week! "Cause and Effect" is the episode that got me into this show. I was barely into Trek at all and happened to catch that episode on one night. The premise of the episode captivated me and then the show and its cast got their hooks into me.

Michael Kemmet

George: You do not recognize the Daedalus class from Star Trek; this was the first mention of it, and the time given is about 50 years before TOS. The look of the ship comes from an early design concept for the TOS Enterprise from back in the mid-1960s. Instead of a saucer-shaped main hull, the designer used a spherical one. You will eventually see a ship in TNG that was designed the same way as another tribute to that old sketch. The Starfleet ship classes you have seen on screen so far: Constitution/Constitution Refit - Kirk's Enterprises Miranda - Khan's hijacked ship in ST2 Oberth - the one Christopher Lloyd blew up in ST3 Excelsior - the one that tried to chase Kirk in ST3 and Sulu's ship in ST6 Constellation - Picard's old ship(Stargazer) from TNG season 1 Ambassador - the older Enterprise in "Yesterday's Enterprise" Nebula - the one in the Cardassian episode with O'Brien's old captain Galaxy - Picard's Enterprise There have been variants on the Miranda and Nebula, but it's not worth going that deep down the rabbit hole.

TalynOne

I can understand Worf's concerns. Imagine being so incapacitated that you would lose every fight you encountered... wait...

Michael Kemmet

Hey, it's a Lyta Alexander episode! ;) (The actress/stunt performer Patricia Tallman is one of the security officers in Power Play. She played various minor characters in about 8 Star Trek episodes in total. She's far more known for a regular supporting role in another sci-fi series I hope you do someday: Babylon 5. FunnyLilGal and BunnyTails are both currently doing it.)

Frank

NACHO BUTT!!

Frank

I know there's still a bit to go with star trek, but I'm curious down the line what it will be replaced with. I wish so bad it would be south park or its always sunny because I love laughing with y'all.

R_Van_S

This is episode hit much closer to home this time around because my dad's in a similar situation but no longer has the ability to verbalize, or express at all, his desires or wishes. He and I always had the same opinion that once functionality degraded to a certain point and there was minimal chance of regaining it or even stopping it, euthanasia (or whatever some prefer to call it) is a viable option. In his case, unfortunately, that was never put into writing and, as I like to say: you're fine until you're not. His affliction is degenerative not fatal in and of itself but he will require total support for the remainder of his life.

Korpse

😆

Frank

I must have seen this movie a thousand times growing up. I know they aren't into sports, but hopefully we could get a sports movie poll soon. Most always have so much heart and drama, so they're right up Simone's alley.

Korpse

Especially when they see the cast.... Its phenomenal 🙌

REDR58

And Tallman is very good in the 1990 remake of "Night of the Living Dead" with Tony Todd.

mpd

I believe the penal colony is for people with too many youtube copyright strikes, that is where they send you at a certain point

ChiefKC

I recognized Patricia Tallman as well and a BIG YES to Babylon 5!

Henchmen21

So in that first ep when they get struck and flung back on to the ground on the planet, Marina Sirtis did the stunt herself and the way she says it she broke something in her back when she landed and is why she never did her own stunts after that

REDR58

Ethics I’d like to know what is the TNG equivalent of OSHA! None of those stacked containers have racks around them to keep them from falling. Imagine what happens when the ship is tossed about? The doctor going on about how Klingons are “overdesigned” and have “a good design in theory” is nonsensical terminology for a scientist like this and its use here is driving me right up the wall. You saw the same kind of surgical outfits when Picard was in surgery in episode "Samaritan Snare." The game that Troi is playing with Alexander is a real game called “Pair Match” made by Bandai: https://www.handheldmuseum.com/Bandai/PairMatch.htm Worf should keep his old spine on display on the wall of his quarters. I definitely would.

Frank

Wtf??? It's been years since I've seen it, but I do not remember it being that stacked. I somehow don't remember mr alright alright alright. Damn Simone's terrible memory is rubbing off on me lol

Korpse

💀

Brandon

What the hell was that noise at 1:24:17 in the reaction video? It was most likely a pet, but I seriously thought something bad happened in my house for a minute. 🤣

I Want A Hypothalamus For Christmas

There's an excellent premise for a spinoff story here: Suppose the Federation, for anthropological and humanitarian and possibly other reasons, set up a project where entities from the penal colony were allowed to inhabit the body of a volunteer, and they were given a "probation hearing" where they told their story about why they were made a prisoner.

I Want A Hypothalamus For Christmas

One of my favorites, too. AFAIK it's the only time in TV history where the commercial breaks actually contributed to the story arc. It would be great if George and Simone could set up something where they took a 5-minute break between acts -- maybe rewatch a JakeyShakeyBakeyBoy song? -- before returning to the episode. Synchronization would be a bit tricky for those watching with their own copies, but I think it would be worth it for the "true viewing experience."

Life in the cave of Garanoga

I've become a firm believer in personal agency and right to life AND right to death. I tell people that yes, we should always try and talk to loved ones and give them reasons to live but at the end of the day people deserve the right to decide if it's just to much. Quality of life matters. We all have to decide where that line is when it just becomes real torture to make someone keep living. One example of what you were talking about with tradition is a story of a person who always cooks half turkeys at big gatherings. Then one day they ask their grandparents why the recipe requires a half turkey and the grandparents say "It doesn't. our oven wasn't big enough for a whole turkey." People will do things without question that are completely unnecessary simply because it's how their parents or elders did it.

Captain Kermit

Daedalus Class is the best name so far, IMO.

Captain Kermit

I thought it was too many bad, forced puns in YouTube reaction videos.

DonkyDave

The second episode was a nice moral debate but the whole "Worf's dead, oh wait no he's not" was just not remotely believable, even if you didn't know the outcome. It felt like a very lazy way to try to trick the viewer and inject some kind of end of episode twist that I can't imagine anyone ever bought into.

Captain Kermit

Power Play and Ethics are two strong eps, IMO. Power Play has always been more of a fun watch, and Ethics is a serious drama, but I have been looking forward to both.

Captain Kermit

I agree with Riker. HIs ethics prevent him from helping. Worf's ethics or beliefs don't trump Riker's. Luckily, Riker found a loophole as opposed to having to just flat out say no, but he has every right to say no.

Sobran

While Riker was harsh, I think his quoting Klingon law to Worf contained an important revelation. In a way, I think that Worf was being a hypocrite. While he was asking Riker to respect his beliefs and help him commit ritual suicide, he wasn't willing to do it the "right" way because it would hurt his son. There's some implication (one which Riker states explicitly) that Worf is using notions of Klingon honor to hide his own cowardice. Worf spends the entire episode trying not to confront the repercussions to Alexander and it is only once he does that he starts wondering if he should try to find some way to live. Not to say that Picard was wrong. Certainly, the risky all-or-nothing procedure is more palatable to Worf's sensibilities. While Worf is 100% Klingon by blood, he isn't by upbringing. He often overcompensates for this in order to be seen as fully Klingon by his peers. But the conflict between his Klingon blood and his human upbringing is part of what makes him such an interesting character. His unwillingness to subject Alexander to the suicide rite shows this. He might protest that it is simply because Alexander isn't entirely Klingon, but I don't buy that.

David N

It's sad to see even in a eutopian view of the future medicine can't do anything to fix a bad back.

Mikebdrx

I’m probably nitpicking, but my only real issue with “Ethics” is that Crusher says seven of Worf’s vertebrae are crushed. Looking at the hologram they’re studying and the spine they remove, nothing actually looks fractured or damaged.

gfixler

Sure do! That music brings back all the footstep and arrow shooting sounds.

Holy Squire

Beverly and Will Riker lay on the sanctimony thick in the Worf episode.

KnittingHaven

Yes, please, another vote for Babylon 5!

funky weapon

Ethics is so hard to talk about without it devolving into a shit-flinging fest so I think I'll just say that The Orville did a similar episode in their first season that, I think, was handled just as well, if not better. What I find interesting about this episode is that we see Picard's flaws on full display. he's so tolerant that he's willing to let a good officer and a friend kill himself because it's part of Worf's culture. Bro is ready to tell Worf to do a flip before jumping off a bridge. that's... it's hard to describe how idiotic that is. Riker was, to me, the only one speaking any damn sense.

funky weapon

I forget where I read it but I heard Worf described as like the ultimate Klingon weeaboo. he has this fantasy of what a Klingon is and how to be one, but the truth is that all he knows, he learned from secondary or third-hand sources, much like a weeb learns about Japan through anime. he wants so badly to be a Klingon exemplar that he doesn't realize that he's more human in mind and spirit than he'd ever admit.

REDR58

"Culture" is all too often used as an excuse or justification for any number of (what I see as) insane practices. But I won't get into that here.

BigM

As someone who has never watched Star Trek but have just started watching "TNG" with you. I'm seeing alot of similarities with Star Gate SG-1 and I think you would really enjoy watching it after Star Trek.

Ian Tellam

While Riker's tone is a bit preachy in this episode, I do think it's also on Worf to respect Riker's values and beliefs as much as his own. It's not just Worf choosing to die, it's the fact that he was essentially pressuring Riker into assisting him to do this - an act that was against his own personal and cultural principles that was the issue. One doesn't trump the other. And I think the episode does enough to challenge both Riker's entrenched position as it does Worf's.

John

As far as what crime would justify an infinite punishment. I would suggest Kevin, the guy who eliminated the Husnack (An entire space faring species)

dasgrove

I am not here to argue the ins and out of moral belief, just here to let ya’ll know that I am right.

Cc Decc

Given what's going to happen in Season 7, which I still consider a major mistake and "this series has run out of ideas/its time it bows out" moment, maybe Riker should have said yes. :)

TanyoScatto

this is one of the few episodes that transcends the usual 80's and 90's attitude of 'cultural acceptance' and points out that in an ethical society you don't just respect other cultures when they're doing something immoral, you call it out and refuse to accept it

Marcus Hicks

Just FYI, Daedalus is also the name given to a 1970s UK study into a propulsion system that could potentially send an uncrewed probe to Barnard's Star in under 50 years, using a multi-stage fusion drive.

parker469a

I know I've seen Daedalus in a couple different things but the only thing I can specifically think of currently is one of the summons in Golden Sun the GBA RPG series.

parker469a

I've always assumed the "convicts" were part of a rebellion that was put down. The number of them seems too high for anything else to make sense.

gfixler

Shout out to Denise Okuda, wife of Michael Okuda, who was a nurse, and consulted on the medical things on TNG. I imagine she did a lot of work on the Worf episode. Michael is famous in the TNG world as a graphic designer, who created a ton of the look, including the LCARS design (Library Computer Access/Retrieval System - that TNG colorful computer display look). The various displays he created were affectionately known by the cast and crew as "okudagrams".

gfixler

Beloved character in any sci-fi show I've ever watched dies... Me: There's gotta be a way to save him. Replicate him! Use his DNA and his last brain scan to rebuild him! Find another him in a pocket universe and teach that one the things it doesn't know from ours! Find an alien with resurrection powers! George: Please let him be permadead.

Robert Carter

I suppose it depends on whether you view that practice as immoral or not

Simon Pegged Me

**Power Play** I'm with you, George. It is entirely too easy to seize control over the ship or its functions. And Picard and crew never learn. When Data took over the computer and the ship, it was dismissed because Data is third in the chain of command. A few episodes later, when the scientist assigned to the Enterprise to help Picard deal with the crystalline entity uses the ship to kill the alien, the crew can't stop her because "She's locked us out." The ship is too powerful to be commandeered this easily. This episode makes a case for Data's off switch to be more widely known. I know Data's asked them to keep its location quiet, but the senior officers and the head of security should know how to turn him off. (It looked like Picard could have reached it when Data had him by the throat.) Regarding eternal torment as punishment for crimes, that's almost literally what Hell is. Also, isn't that what the Phantom Zone is? In Superman, I think Zod and his supporters were sentenced to the Phantom Zone for eternity. **Ethics** I lost respect for Riker and Beverly in this episode. Their attitudes toward Klingon culture were disrespectful at minimum and racially superior in general. It was not a good day for the Federation. Beverly is the chief medical officer on the flagship of the Federation, but she's so culturally insensitive that she puts her beliefs about the sanctity of life and quality of life ahead of her patients'. Surely, the Klingons are the only race that there's more to life than just living, that there are ideals and values worth dying for, that there are principles that allow you to refuse treatment. This episode made me think of Captain Pike, maimed and mute, confined to a box, and even though his mind is as sharp as ever, his ability to express himself is restricted to a flashing light—one pulse for yes, two pulses for no—a means of communication so limited he couldn't even pulse out "Kill me" in Morse code if he decided this is not a life worth living. If Spock hadn't taken him to Talos IV... And Riker. All he had to say is, "Worf, I can't. This goes against everything I believe in. So, I love you, I respect you, but I can't help you end your life and fulfill your responsibility as a Klingon. You'll have to ask someone else." But, no, first, he belittles his way of life, and then, he Klingon-splains to him how Alexander has to be the one to help him with the rite. What an ass! One, I think the idea that a boy becomes a man when he can pick up a knife is symbolic. I don't know Klingon culture, but I don't think Klingon toddlers assume adult responsibilities when they can pick up a knife. Two, and more important, Alexander, as Worf points out, isn't Klingon. His mother, K'Ehleyr, didn't want him to be and taught him little of his Klingon culture. Or that's what she told Worf after she introduced him to their son. Alexander admits as much in this episode when he tells Troi his mother's thoughts on Klingon honor. Worf conceded the point when he decided to raise Alexander on the Enterprise instead of sending him to Klingon School. Alexander is more K'Ehleyr than Worf. He isn't fit to assume the duties of a Klingon boy in a sacred Klingon rite. I think it's beautiful that Worf can see his son with a father's eyes and say, "He's not me," accept that, and raise him to be the man Alexander is meant to be instead of the man Worf is. Worf should have accepted Riker's refusal, and then asked someone to put in a call to his brother Kurn. Job done. I don't know what this means for Worf and Riker's friendship. Riker spent so much time belittling Klingon culture in this, it would be hard to believe he sees Worf as an equal. I mean, if you don't respect a culture, how can you respect a man who embodies it, who is a product of it, who tries every day to be its ideal? Sure, you could still be friends or at least friendly, but how close could you be going forward? And I'd definitely see if there were a less xenophobic doctor in sick bay I could go to when I needed treatment. It doesn't seem like Beverly is the doctor to see if you're an alien and want to be involved in the medical decisions affecting you.

REDR58

All of those ideas are too insane and crazy and would never appear in any science fiction series...

DanTurismo

The older TV quality shots are because they couldn’t find the original film negatives for certain shots when the show was remastered. Apparently the original footage wasn’t archived well and they had to go on a big search to find all the footage.

WastedPo

Regarding the occasional "old shots" that seemed to pop up during "Power Play," I can only theorize this: This series was (wonderfully) remastered from the original film prints. This required them to find all the original film negatives stored in a vault somewhere and then clean those up and re-digitize them, then re-edit all the episodes again to match the pacing and music cues of the original shows. Kind of awesome when you think of it. (Without doing this, they would only have the footage in the standard definition that the show was broadcast in. Something crazy about television is that even shows that were shot on film, the final "version" that got sent out usually only existed in reduced "standard definition" because they figured, hey, nobody is ever going to have televisions any better than 480x640, or whatever the standard was then.) I wonder if once in a while during this restoration process, they couldn't find the original film negatives, and so had to resort to just inserting the visually-reduced standard definition version that went out on the airwaves. Maybe this happened with "Power Play."

Joe Concepts

Always annoyed by one thing in "Ethics." Why is Worf completely flat on his back the whole time. Maybe it's meant to make him look more helpless or something, but why can't he be sitting up like in a usual hospital bed? Or is it just a dumb set design they were stuck with?

Robert Mendoza

I wonder if Marina Sirtis read the script for Power Play and was immediately excited because she got to do something different for a change. Seeing George's shirt just makes me want to go play Morrowind. I'm not mad about it

Angzarr

47:11 LOL at the subtitles... "the implication is so grim" that they have "crazy piña coladas" 🤣 Must have been that night's special in Ten Forward...

MacGuffinStuff

Just catching up, two great episodes I think. Power Play, great 👍 Seeing Marina Sirtis be possessed by a prison gang leader was incredible, she was even kind of scary. Data being an asshole and wanting to throw chingazos with Warf was great. To the question of what their crimes were? Tobb trapped, incorporeal and indefinitely, I have to imagine that it's a society, culture, religion that sends people to burn in Hell for eternity for putting pineapple on pizza.

MacGuffinStuff

Ethics was amazing, loved it, gonna skip the debate and just point out that the UNethical doctor was played by the same actor who played Tom Cruise's (as Ron Kovic) mom in "Born On The Fourth Of July", and thats a morbid but kinda funny coincidence if you've seen that movie. Sorry. Good movie though.

Chrissonator

Not sure if it was mentioned, the reason there are dips in quality in the episode Power Play was due to the CBS team being unable to locate the original film negatives for that particular segment, so they cleaned up and upscaled the original master shot.

Angzarr

How many episodes have there been where some kind of infection or DNA change completely transforms a character's body, and by the end of the show it's been completely reversed? Why not give one of those to Worf, and then reverse it, which would have the effect of completely rebuilding his body, no?

Thall

Another episode that makes me HAaaaaaaaaaaaaate Keiko (the character only of course). She brought a young BABY TO A BAR. HOW FUCKING INCONSIDERATE CAN YOU BE

Thall

The doc with the multiple organs thing, is right though. Having multiples does not make sense and increases risk, unless evolution decides it absolutely necessary. The human body is a great example. Respirator ilnesses can damage lungs, so we got two for redundancy. Having two is less of a risk for complications than having one that gets damaged. Same for kidneys, which could easily get damaged if we ingest poisonous foods we don't know. And yet, we only have one heart, one intestinal tract, one liver, yet we die without either of these. Having multiples is still riskier, because they don't have a high chance of failing (in primitve environments). So yea, Klingons probably evolved their multiples and complex hearts because it makes sense in the past, but it now probably causes more issues than it solves.

Runes N Raccoons

Yeah, I think this is a reasonable take. I do think Crusher was out of line, suggesting to hold Worf bound in attempt to prevent him from taking his own life, but Riker had the moral right to not participate in the ritual. Perhaps Worf could have requested that his brother visit him instead.

Runes N Raccoons

That makes sense, especially with the level of tactical knowledge they had.

Craig

"It would be like someone suddenly having a desire to hang by their tail." Oh George, there are definitely people who have that desire.

Michael Bauer

Regarding "Ethics" - I don't think it's quite fair to say that everyone else is making Worf's situation about themselves. It's definitely fair to say that they could have been more empathetic and passive in some encounteres - but I think to core of the issue is: No person is an island. Everyone exists in a network of relations with other people (and institutions, cultures etc. - but all mediated by people and the way people shape their collective environments). A person's trajectory does affect the people around them and the systems they are involved in - and respecting a person's autonomy is not the same thing as requiring everyone affected to refuse to acknowledge or communicate their thoughts and feelings. Also - Worf actively requests Riker to take an active part in assisting his ritual suicide, which is quite a bit more than just asking for respect for his beliefs, so Riker is in a a situation where he has to resolve a moral dilemma... which he must measure against his own moral code - which in turn involves respect for, but not adoption of Worf's perspective. It would be just as questionable to not accept that Riker or Dr. Crusher have to act in accordance with their ethics as it would be to not accept this for Worf. But respect and acknowledgement of difference is importantly not the end of it. As beings capable of reason, empathy, and communication - we can use discourse and argument to talk about grounds for our convictions. And we have general common ground in these capacities, no matter our biology or culture: self-awareness, the ability to reflect on ones position and the position of others (theory of mind - and empathy) ground (very general) rational interests of life and its flourishing conditions - and also an ability to rise beyond cultural and biological happenstance to discover these overarching commonalities of life capable of reason, empathy and communication. Biology and culture are of course important genealogical factors, but they are not thereby morally authoritative (that would be the "naturalistic fallcy"), nor are they where ethical considerations end in incommensurability. Partially due to upright gait and very small hips for our birth size - death in childbirth of mother and/or child was very common, a biological fact of humanity. And because of our nature as primates trying to secure scarce resources for our kin, violence and murder are part of of the naturally given facts of life. But we were still able to identify these things as morally bad, as things where it is valuable to rise beyond what we have been given. Speaking as a philosophy graduate, one does not need to believe in some metaphysically given moral values, or fail to acknowledge the contingency and partial biological detemrinism of values, or fail to respect the autonomy of others to not be a moral relativist (in fact, thinking the autonomy of others is something worthy of protection is obviously incompatible with full-blown moral relativism). People like Kant and Habermas, or Rawls, Scanlon and Sen were/are fully aware of the factual relativity of human behavior - and still sketched how our faculty for reason, judgment, empathy and communication can establish things like intersubjective grounds for accepting certain frameworks for how to relate to one another.

Angela D. Mitchell

I'm so sorry about your Dad, and hope you and your family are hanging in there. My Dad recently passed away from Parkinson's after 5 years with the condition (including Parkinson's psychosis), so we experienced something similar, but we were lucky that he was always able to verbalize what he wanted. Sending you and your dad thoughts.

Angela D. Mitchell

George, I'm so sorry about the loss of your grandpa, and for Simone's losses as well as those of other commenters here. I sympathize -- I've lost both parents and a stepdad to terminal illness, and I was the long-term caregiver for stepdad (laryngeal cancer) and Mom (brain tumor) and experienced similar pain in watching them suffer. This April, my Dad passed away. In his case, after 5 years with Parkinson's, he got sepsis, and made the decision to let the sepsis end his life. So he made a choice. We all supported him in this decision (he was at the end and had been through hell), and were there for his passing, which was peaceful. It was unshakably the right thing. (I live in a right-to-die state and my BFF also was present at her uncle's passing by choice. A nurse came over, administered it in his home, and that was it.) So I've experienced several aspects of this issue, and overall, I think the writers did a decent job here with a difficult subject. I was angry at Worf for his first choice, because as a disabled person, I do think the POV of "I can't live if my body isn't perfect" -- or especially Worf's idea of "I will not be pitied" is limited and sad. I'm disabled and on a walker due to permanent nerve damage after heart failure. And sure, some people look at me with pity. That's their problem, not mine. I just go on and live my life. So for me, there was a lesson here that Worf sidestepped because of the magical fix -- for a Klingon to discover a new life even if he could not walk, overcoming his culture's knee-jerk tendency to destroy the disabled. Although I was so happy that in the end, he was still struggling and had to do lots of therapy -- it wasn't just "all better!" (Also, nice writing with the "redundancies" to Klingon biology being why Worf was able to recover.) Meanwhile, I wish Riker hadn't been so ANGRY with poor Worf, but I also get that he was genuinely upset and trying to save Worf's life. And I liked that it was Riker's point about Worf's child that caused Worf to reconsider. Speaking of which, I loved the scene where Worf asked Deanna to adopt his little boy, and was surprised by how moved I was by it. Beautiful acting by Marina Sirtis and Michael Dorn.