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The Expanse: Season 1 - Episode 7 & 8 - Patreon Exclusive (Patreon)

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Damon Corrigan

No, no. The golden statue is NOT Hermes. :)

Pamela Hofman

Obviously, you are way past these episodes but I'm still bothered by what George said after ep. 7 that things aren't necesary, such as the four scenes between Avasarala and Elyse Holden. There was plenty in there that is important if you pay attention. First off, the windmills, then the discussion over James' book that his mom said she didn't have the heart to tell him was a tragedy. It was by Cervantes, as in Don Quixote. The theme of Don Quixote runs through the series. Windmills, Ducinea, Rocinante, a hero trying to fight an obviously losing battle. You guys are missing it. Amos isn't angry. He feels nthing but is so street smart and aware that he's seen the worst of humanity and is alway s prepared for it. His emotional reactions are askew but he's a fascinating character. James Holden is not an asshole, as Simone calls everyone. He's just trying to do the right thing, even though his choices are bad. I could go on.

Pamela Hofman

Eros is definitely the Greek god of love and sexual desire. The word is pronounced Eh-ros, not EE-ros.

James W.

It was not always SYFY, it was "The SciFi Channel originally. The first day the channel aired on basic cable way back in like 1993 or 94 they played Star Wars: A New Hope all days; it was glorious. Before the dark times, before the Empire... They changed the name because sci-fi was a brand they wanted to lean away from. That is when they started putting on lots of n really shit programming interspersed with the occasional gem like the BSG reboot or the Expanse. They sucked at marketing their shows in general that is how The Expanse ended up on Amazon. Basically marketing people didn't want to cater to nerds on a very much nerd centric channel, long before all of our media was pretty much overtaken by nerdy content. Also I heard that people didn't know how to pronounce Sci-fi. Literally some of the dumbest shit I have ever heard.

James W.
>>114434120

Yeah. I think a lot of their critique is justified to a degree but some of it I don't agree with. Still fun to watch them go through it. As someone who has been digesting sci-fi media of all types for like 40y there are somethings that my brain automatically fills even having not read these books. I just hope they get into the flow of the show and roll with it. At this point I think they are up to at least ssn4 so I assume they are with it now but it is odd to watch these older reactions when they are still getting into the swing of it. Also to be fair, even the people making the show were still getting a handle on how to crunch like 2 books worth of charcter and world building into the first season, so it relies a lot on teh viewers being patient and understanding the like vernacular of sci-fi tropes enough to roll with it.

Rav Low

Eh-roh-tic, eh-ros. :3

Rav Low

I just wanna put something out there about Avasarala being "wrong." She's rarely ever made any claims about being "right" about anything. She knows that she doesn't know stuff. So she lies, cheats, and steals every way she can to stir the pot to find out the truth. The only thing so far really that she has said she knows/believes is that "James Holden is not an OPA terrorist. He didn't destroy the Cant or the Donnager." This is absolutely correct. However, she has limited information and so does Errenwright (her boss in the UN), so when they find out that he's on a stolen MCRN gunship that's been retrofitted by Fred Johnson, well OOP it *sounds* like she's wrong. Big E thinks she's wrong, she thinks she's wrong. But we, the audience, know that she's right. So far watching the show I think I'd say to keep in mind if y'all ever pick up Season 3 is this: People lie a lot, and people operate on incomplete information often, and they're irrational and emotional and at times foolish. But I think the biggest thing is they lie. So far in this watch through it seems like any time someone *says* something there's an impulse to take it as face value and true information, so whatever we've heard or seen previously is false, but nah. They could just be lying.

The Real Andrew Kim

I think it needs to be stated that this show tries really hard to stay based in real world science, especially physics and actual astronomical bodies in our solar system. Eros, Ceres and Phoebe are real moons/asteroids around planets that are out past Mars that have been colonized.

Amelie W
>>159052621

I find it pretty great they never bother to explain any names or concepts or how they relate to each other which are things you'll learn from any preschool astronomy book. Assuming a general familiarity with the basic geography of the solar system the same way like, Bourne movies don't tell you how to get from France to Italy. And yeah, no artificial gravity, no FTL communications, it's so unusual for sci-fi TV it gets confusing.

Scott S

Yes looking forward to these, starts to pick up pace after this IMO.

Abush

I started with the show but have read all 9 novels and all accompanying short stories. I understand it's not for everyone but it definitely is my cup of tea and probably my favorite science fiction Material. Highly recommend the books after the show. Also, they say O.P.A. and not opa because It's an acronym for Outer Planetary Alliance.

Torsten Maekler

Also read the 9 books, though not the little novellas. Yes, Simone, there is something you two are not getting with this show: it is a web of connections, not a string of information where one thing leads into the next. Like with the scenes between Avasarala and Holden's mom. For the immediate information, George was right. Only the first and last scene was needed. But all the pieces of information given in between (e.g. Avasarala lost her son in the military) are relevant for later (or way later) and will pay off when you see them play out. I understand your two frustrations with the show - and maybe it isn't for you. You'll have to decide that at one point. And by the way: yes, the show is specifically designed that way as a web of information. But no spoilers :-)

Sweet Owl

"Eros" is a greek word, their pronunciation of it is the correct one.

POSTALMNDCLARITY

I haven't watched it yet but have they started to enjoy the show more? I know it's hard to understand and get into initially but it would be a HUGE shame if they gave up on it after season 1, considering that season 2 and on are the best seasons of any Sci fi show I've ever seen! This is by far my favorite show and I wasn't in love after the first few episodes but once I got into it I was hooked and never looked back! It's a slow burn to start, for sure, but it will honestly become one of their favorite shows, I'm willing to bet on it.

Generators

like clearly George is not liking the show, and to a certain extend i dont think Simone is liking it very much neither but shes better at being nice about. prob why George has cinecringe to vent lol. but i dont get people getting mad at them for voicing their thoughts as they come, like if you introduce this show to a friend and watch with them, and after a few episodes theyre clearly not into it, would you get mad at them for not liking a show the way you want them to? if so, how do you have any friends. like people are allowed to not like something, i rather see their genuine reaction than have the two of them pretend to like something just to appease my fandom ego. not to mention that would also kill the joy in them for doing this, it would make them not trust our votes and suggestions if we force them to not voice their actual reactions.

Daniel Popp

I’ll understand if you two decide to not continue this series after the first season. It’s definitely not for everyone and I get the feeling that’s the case for both of you. Whether you post a reaction of them or not, I would recommend at least watching to the end of episode 5 of season 2. That wraps of the translation of book 1 onto the series and answers a lot of questions you have about what’s happening. It’ll also add some more questions, but ones I think you can leave unanswered. Unless the series has finally got your full interest at that point. I’m just glad you’re at least giving the series a chance, even if it only ends up being for one season.

Thomas Yanez

I have no problem with people not liking a show. I am just so surprised that George isn't into this one. I love that the story isn't hand fed to you and there is constant mystery about a number of elements (including about the people themselves) that the show slowly fills in for you as it fills it in for the people in the story. I wish more television worked this way and did it as effectively.

Generators
>>87911937

its fair enough but if you look back at the comments of this series since episode 1 and 2, lots of people said "yeah its confusing at the start, yeah its not so good at the beginning then really picks up over the season" but then in the next few posts they've already gone off that thought and went to "how dare he doesnt like this show, he should just shut up and watch". i mean, even if he did like this show, i wouldnt be surprised if hes still put off by it just through how the "fans" treated him

Generators
>>87911904

hell consider how they were treated in the last few posts just for sharing their thoughts, im surprised theyre still going with this show at this point.

Torsten Maekler
>>87909922

It feels more like they try to be nice whilst thinking "we don't want to scare people away by saying fully open that we don't like it." But I think we can handle if they don't continue. Just be open about it and no one will cry blame on anyone. Being not honest at what they think might harm more than anything else.

Gaius Frakking Baltar

Fortunately I had read the first two books of The Expanse novels when season 1 came out, so it was a lot easier for me to follow the characters and understand their motivations. Miller didn't fall in love with Julie so much as he fell in love with the *idea* of Julie: a rich Earther who stood up to her powerful father and gave up everything to help ease the suffering of Belters. This made a massive impression on a guy like Miller - a bitter, cynical cop who cares about nothing and whose only joy in life comes from inside a liquor bottle. Miller had rarely encountered such a strong yet truly caring and decent person in his life, and it changed him to an extent that even he himself isn't fully aware of yet. Also - without spoiling too much - there's a type of quantum entanglement happening between Miller and Julie. For now just rest assured that it'll make more sense by the middle of season 2.

Hubcity

I'm glad that they're reacting to this show, even though they don't love it (yet, I hope). Simone asked about the books. I started the books after I'd seen the first three seasons. When the show was initially canceled I wanted to learn more about what happens in the story. The books have very clear points of view with each chapter focusing on a single character. That might help with the unexplained knowledge transfer that Simone mentioned. With the books you do get to see exactly what each character experiences and why they know what they know. But, to be honest, that was not an issue that I noticed in the show and Simone didn't give any examples. George seems frustrated by the number of situations that could have been solved by simple direct communication. I think he sees that as poor writing. But to me it just looks like people. Have a look at any relationship advice column; no matter the problem the main advice is, almost always, you should talk to the other person and explain your point of view. So, unlike George, I don't see the lack of communication as bad story-telling, I see people acting like, well, people. In their defense I don't think I loved it after the first season. I'm pretty sure I thought Miller was a little annoying and none of the other characters had really grabbed me, maybe with the exception of Avasarala, who is amazing. After reading the books it seems like she stepped directly off the pages of the book on to the TV. But I thought that the universe was interesting and it was clear that the show had spent a lot more time thinking about how a solar-system civilization would look than I ever had. (At first I was confused about why the ships had their engines pointing the wrong way so often. It's so they can slow down, duh.) But I do have one request before I end this novel of a comment: George please start calling Errinwright by his name instead of referring to him as "the Zelensky-looking guy".

GBmain

There is no doubt the books are far better, Well worth reading, if HBO got the rights to it, it really would be a amazing seeing the belters the way they're described in the books... but its still a good show, just not all that it could have been

Thomas Yanez
>>87919659

Real life isn't people communicating directly, no matter how sensible that might seem. The main crew being a group of people thrust together and not knowing much about each other, and given reasons to distrust... the show seems a lot more realistic than most, in my opinion.

redddfer44

Simone watching The Expanse in the Starfleety sweater LIKE A BOSS.

Alan Pownall

I didn't watch the first couple of seasons when it first aired as I had been burnt by Syfy too many times but binged them just before season three came out, initially I had similar reactions to the characters but by half way into season two I was glad picked it up. A lot of the weird character actions aren't bad writing, watching in retrospect they are fully in keeping with who the characters are; it isn't bad writing that Amos doesn't care Holden pointed a gun at him but it is telling you something about how he sees the world. These things may be clearer in book form but they do eventually get made clear in the show, watching these episodes Holden keeps doing things that seem bone headed and all I think is that is 100% what I expect from Jim and I love him for it.

Jack Burton

I look forward to Tuesdays so much for these. I know the drama of the show fans posting bs but seriously just ignore them. I hope you guys hang in there for this show. I really do. I want to watch them with you guys. Thanks.

Trepanation21

In episode 8, when Miller and his cop friend are talking over food, George speculates that something must be lost in translation from the book about Miller's motivations. There isn't. One aspect of it is that Miller is intentionally written from a noir standpoint - "a genre of crime film or fiction characterized by cynicism, fatalism, and moral ambiguity", *and* Miller doesn't even know why he can't let it go. This is his compulsion - He doesn't know why he's seeing this through, but what he does know is that: 1) powerful people are trying not to let her be found (and across the board, this is a story about resistance and underdogs pushing back on the boot) 2) every single tiny thing that Miller's gotten some answers for, the case is met with five more new questions and an increasingly thicker plot as to what happened to Julie. Miller can't let this go. Nor can we ;) And finally 3) the noir. This is the fatalism part for our often cynical detective. Compelled by something he can't explain, to pull this thread, through to its end.

Trepanation21
>>87925905

Very pleased to see these interesting points being made. Thanks for touching on them.

Monica Alarcon

I started book four today... I wonder if the series goes on so far...

Tom H

I would never condone someone being rude but I think the frustration of some is that they've seen behind the curtain and know how good this gets. It's entirely understandable that S&G haven't gotten fully into it yet. I hadn't either by this time. But, once I stuck with it to Season 2. Then season 3. Wow. This series: the show, the books - it's the best story I've gotten into for a long time. Probably top 2/3 ever. Those who have seen the whole series or read all the books know how The Expanse is not just the name of the show, it's the nature of the story. Its scope continues to grow and grow in such a way that you're thankful for all the foundation laid at this point. Right now, it may look like rubble and concrete. But, once you stick with it, a cathedral gets built on top and you'll enjoy every detail.

Rune
>>87939307

I had the same problem, I watched season 1, and never returned for season 2. I've always wanted to, and now that I can follow along with Simone and George, I really really hope they keep it up so I don't have a reason to drop off the show again. :)

Joits

i kinda wish there was a youtube edit cos i love expanse but i've also seen a couple of reactions of it and its hard to sit through entire episodes.

AC10

I enjoyed this reaction very much. I have not read the books.... yet. But now I will. After The Martian and Artemis and Project Hail Mary.

lastsplash

I wouldn't have made it more than a few episodes in if I hadn't read the books beforehand and known what was coming. I don't blame you guys for not really liking the show so far but I still think you'll end up loving it if you continue.

Chris Gronau

For what it's worth, I really enjoy watching Simone and George react to this show, and I hope that they continue through the rest of the seasons. But, I understand if they don't....

Tenn Seven

"OPA" is the "Outer Planets Alliance," a "Belter" concern. It's basically The Expanse's version of the IRA during The Troubles. It has factions that all want to represent the belters but do not necessarily agree on the best way to do so. Some sects (like Anderson Dawes') are more militant while some (like Fred Johnson's) seek more political or commercial strategies to further their interests.

Tenn Seven
>>87953959

The only reason I joined their Patreon is to watch their reactions to this show. I hope they continue with the seasons as well, especially since they are masterpieces.

EMB

A lot of the first season is just world-building. I really hope that you guys continue it.

Nerd Going Outside

FWIW, I watched the first season of the show first, a few months after it aired, then went and read the books that were out at the time. Watching S&G watching this has reminded me of a couple of useful concepts. First, not everyone likes feeling confused. The Expanse reminds me a lot of shows like Game of Thrones or The Wire in that it opens with a lot of characters and concepts you aren't familiar with and doesn't handhold or ease the viewer in at all - it just goes and figures you'll pick things up as it moves along. Moreover, the authors intentionally wrote Leviathan Wakes (the first book in the Expanse series) as a melding of Sci-Fi + noir - there's intentionally a gritty, hard-boiled detective vibe and the whole book (and thus the first season) is essentially a mystery. Bad things are happening, and we don't know who is behind it or why. This noir vibe is unique to the first book/season. It turns out that the combination of no handholding + noir mystery that leaves you in the dark for a long time is something a lot of people like but some people *really* don't. It seems to them to feel confusing and alienating and trying to put the pieces together isn't engaging all on its own. This is fair! Having to be on camera saying interesting things while you watch probably doesn't make this any easier. Second, first impressions really matter. I tend to think the bad-ness of S1 eps 1-3 is overstated, but it is true that they are the weakest point in the series. This is largely (IMO) due to the injection of a lot of artificial hostility between the Canterbury survivors (which isn't present in the book, as it happens) in order to generate conflict, which is pretty grating. Anyway, some folks quit right there. Others don't, become more engaged (usually by ep 4), and end up loving the series. If they were watching on their own, I expect S&G would have quit after the first few episodes. Even though they're obligated to finish the first season, that first impression was so bad that no matter what the show does at this stage I suspect it isn't recoverable for them. I mean, we're talking about a mystery here and about 5% of the episode discussion is about putting the pieces together whereas 95% is pointing out real or imagined flaws - ie Avesarala in the snow or Eros pronunciation or whatever. I don't mean this as criticism of S&G! It's just that when you dislike something but are forced to engage with it your perception will be skewed to the negative - you're more inclined to see flaws than strengths, and each flaw you find or strength you overlook compounds this. In the end, your view of the thing doesn't really resemble the thing itself. This is the downside of a really bad first impression. It's a shame, but it happens. Lots of really good TV out there! It *does* make me worried to recommend The Wire to S&G though, just because of that similar early confusion angle. Series that want you to work to puzzle them out may not be a good fit.

Jay Davis

But The Wire is SO freakin' good... season 1, at least.

Torsten Maekler
>>87969454

It might have been a bit different, if George would have been able to keep the characters apart and concentrate on the story. Haven't seen him struggling so much to keep up with who is who. Added to that is that the show opens up with soooo many different people (most of which are side characters), but the show does not give you a lot of clues as to which are important to watch, and this adds to the initial confusion. Which is why I think after the crew is on the Rocinante things tend to get more clearer... .

Armchair Wizard
>>87978020

When someone says something is overrated, what it translates to is "I don't like a thing that is popular, and I want to go tell people who like it how i feel, so i can ruin it for them."

Drew Acheson

I have read the books and they are excellent. It's a hard science sci-fi and you really don't get the feel for the hard science in the show because it's not explicitly explained. It also has much better characterization than the show, but that is the usual for most books turned into a visual medium.

BenJuan26

So glad you guys are reacting to this! It's one of the main reasons I decided to support your Patreon. I'm glad that you're at a point where things are starting to be revealed. I'll echo what other people have said regarding Season 1: its job is almost entirely worldbuilding and setting up for bigger things to come. Additionally (and others have brought this up), the events of Book 1 aren't even concluded until about halfway through Season 2. George, with other reactions, I'm frequently impressed with how observant you are, and I've noticed that you often figure things out pretty early. It therefore doesn't surprise me that you've been skeptical and/or frustrated with The Expanse so far, because they've laid it out in a way that it's pretty much impossible to figure things out beforehand. It also doesn't help that there are so many characters, ships, and simultaneous plot lines. I know captions aren't everyone's cup of tea, but it's worth considering watching with them on. Something else that I'll say is that basically no character in this series is 100% good or 100% bad. I know a lot of characters got a slow start, and have had some awkward lines or behaviour, and you guys have said as much, but I promise that after even two seasons, these characters are rich and complex. Not to mention that the number of good characters keeps going as the show goes on. You asked which of us have read the books. I'm about 70% of the way through the fifth book. I've enjoyed them all, but this is probably my favourite so far. Looking forward to finishing out the season with you guys, and hopefully more seasons in the future!

Manuel Phelouzat

You asked how she got it : she touched some of it in the intro scene in episode 1. It's the kind of serie which put bread crumbs all over each scene. Makes it a good candidate for a rewatch !

Ivo Costa
>>87969454

"I mean, we're talking about a mystery here and about 5% of the episode discussion is about putting the pieces together whereas 95% is pointing out real or imagined flaws - ie Avesarala in the snow or Eros pronunciation or whatever. I don't mean this as criticism of S&G! It's just that when you dislike something but are forced to engage with it your perception will be skewed to the negative - you're more inclined to see flaws than strengths, and each flaw you find or strength you overlook compounds this. In the end, your view of the thing doesn't really resemble the thing itself. This is the downside of a really bad first impression." 100% Agree, especially the 5% and 95% part. It also seems to me they went into this with some sort of preconceived notion on how characters should behave and relate, how information should be conveyed, etc. This is not the typical cliched and tropey sci-fi (and non sci-fi) show, and for me that´s one of it´s strengths. It was refreshingly surprising the many times the show didn´t veer towards what my years of tv/film watching has conditioned my brain to expect. There are so many things to talk and discuss about this show, the very subtle non-woke, non rubbed on the nose social commentary it presents, the reflections about and projections on our planet, the again subtle way human miscegenation is implied (just pay attention to many of the characters names), the subtle nods and homages to other films, etc. It´s totally valid to say "this is not my cup of tea", but to dismiss all the good things or not even trying to find them, and to base the criticism on one or two trees and not the forest, it can get frustrating... I mean, say, one could totally not be into a song or a painting or whatever, but at the same time recognize objective qualities in it.

Ivo Costa
>>87908152

"For the immediate information, George was right. Only the first and last scene was needed. But all the pieces of information given in between (e.g. Avasarala lost her son in the military) are relevant for later (or way later) and will pay off when you see them play out." Yeah, since George thought most of it was unneeded i got curious about their Tarantino reactions.

Turnt SNACO

Not sure if anyone said it, but Jim's mom that you recognized as "someone's mom" was Rose's mom in Titanic.