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Hero's Come Back EP459-460 [early access] (Patreon)

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happy friday!!

it is SOOO interesting to see what life was like before humanity had chakra (and honed nature energy??). and the fact that the tale of princess kaguya/bamboo cutter story seemed to have so much influence over this part of the story.... !!!! who knew that a single episode of kaguya-sama: love is war could have helped me somewhat predict this LOOOOL. but anyway, i really love when stories tie in mythology 🥰

i still have so many questions but excited to watch more !!!!

timestamps:0:00 intro0:40 episode 45915:08 discussion19:13 episode 46032:08 discussion

REMINDER: please DO NOT spoil, foreshadow (ex. saying 'prepare for sadness' or upcoming quotes like 'you shall know pain'), or give me hints for any upcoming arcs/episodes! i know i ask a lot of questions and theorize about things but those are just THEORIES. ill get my answers as i watch the show :) thank you to my mods for deleting spoilers!!

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Argent6

at this point the music department cooked up bangers after bangers of OST

Argent6

fun fact: the name of Kaguya's teleportation jutsu is Yomotsu Hirasaka, it's the name of the slope that leads to the underworld in Japanese mythology, and in the anime it was the very first jutsu used on Earth (she opened a portal to summon another moon from a different dimension? because Earth at this time had no moon.)

Hazard

I’m getting sad that we are almost at the end of naruto shippuden….

JKman

Really not a fan of all these filler episodes leading up to the finale in the last season here. The manga pacing and story flow is a lot better and you can really feel it here.

Jabets Luis

Thanks. I never knew this. Despite being a super og fan. Here i was thinking it's a plothole since the moon wasn't supposed to exist yet. But kaguya opening up another world that has a moon is such a cool way to show case the infinite tsykyomi.

T H

Not Kaguya going: not in MY AniManga and porting to Jogo's domain expansions 😂

Spunkbutter

A lot of the “plot holes” and “ass-pulls” are usually due to foreigners not having the cultural background of Japanese symbolism and mythology lol The fact that so many people accuse the kaguya inclusion and an ass pull that came out of nowhere is hilarious because it was pretty obvious for quite some time. That’s why I really love that Alana predicted it and drew the parallels a while back.

Matt Brock

I love Kaguya's VA, She always gives off big mother vibes :)

Athleticgamer

I’m late to this but life happens. The ost in these episodes are still damn good, her dub voice is pretty damn good to honestly I might like it better you should give it a listen when you can.Kaguya literally calling the planet her nursery is funny but also very symbolic to me, her basically saying yeah you have chakra so what?! Where do you think you got it from?? Oh yeah me because I was the first. Her being able to change dimensions is just insane I remember seeing this episode years ago and just being dumbfounded. I don’t know if anyone relayed this information to you, but the eye on her forehead is a Rinnesharingan which is literally both eyes in one. And, she has the Byakugan of course as well because remember what Kakashi said that those eyes originated from the Byakugan. Basically the origin of all eyes. Sasuke shooting his arrow and then switching places with it will always be bad ass even though it didn’t work LMAO. The scene of her coming out of the portal like a damn horror movie and grabbing Naruto and Sasuke’s chin, and crying like a sad grandmother will never not be fking terrifying no matter how many times I see it my GOD!! I hope you continue this backstory it gives a lot of information. I remember seeing memes of people being like that guy was brave for getting with Kaguya💀🤣 and well uuhhhh he’s COOKED. And, he brought that on himself honestly choosing those scum bags over her lol even though I can see he was under pressure ya know. Can’t wait for you to learn more!!

Athleticgamer

Me also never realizing this and I’ve been a fan for yearsssss it’s always cool to learn new things when you think you know everything lol.

ChadsAccount

In the studio they said, “We are making to much money, this can’t end! Randomly use the bamboo story and put it in. Madara is to powerful & we need a following series!”

Ther0s G0D

I love Kaguya's design and backstory—to think she looks like Kimimaro and that she belonged to the Kaguya Clan mentioned in Naruto before Shippuden. Kishimoto really went all out writing this, ajshfjahsf

SciTails

I think people's problems with it are less about that there was absolutely no foreshadowing, and more with that it was less satisfying for the story to upstage a villain with preexisting on-screen build-up and character development. Same problem I have with the Sharingan power scaling. Do I recognize its powers are all named after figures in Japanese mythology? Sure. But knowing that does not make it feel any less "the power does whatever the author wants it to do this week" when the power that originally was just "being able to copy/see really well" suddenly becomes able to shoot unquenchable fire and create a giant invincible exoskeleton. Just because something can be predicted doesn't itself mean it will be satisfying.

simon01920

the sky did that because the moon did not exist in this world yet by the lore, it came to be decades after when the brothers sealed Ten Tails and Kaguya away.

eduardoclari_

1) Kaguya’s OST is sooo good. Sounds ominous yet majestic lol 2) Lord Tenju fumbled this one 🤦🏽‍♂️ 3) many people when this came out did not like Kaguya as a character. Perhaps maybe because madara was so liked as a villain. What are your thoughts on Kaguya?

JKman

Less than satisfying does not equal bad. The twist here is poetic justice against madara, no matter how great his character was. It not only makes sense, but upstaging him for one more true final boss was a brilliant move. It made sense that people didn't like it back when these chapters/ episodes first dropped, that was over ten years ago, Most of us were teenagers and didn't know anything about what good writing was. That's most of the old complaints with the war arc. But if you're actually older and understand storytelling better, and had all this time to mull it over, there's no excuse. As for the Sharingan, the series has been slowly evolving and progressing the knowledge and capabilities of the power as early as Itachi showing up in Konoha after the chunin exams with the Mangekyo. Nothing "suddenly happened"

JKman

The backstory is filler

Abdullah

This episode is original content btw. In the manga, we didn't get any backstory on Kaguya—it was only revealed through narration. But I think these episodes are supervised by Kishimoto and also be related to.......

ChadsAccount

646 chapters into a show and they had no out. Madara was to powerful. It’s not me making this up. They said it themselves

JKman

I prefer that honestly, there's way too much filler in these last few episodes. The manga has much better pacing and story flow. We didn't really need to get a full backstory on Kaguya. All the information we need was already provided. It's just more filler to elongate the anime.

Nelo

No they didn't. That's a lie made up and perpetuated by Madara fans. I've read every single Kishimoto interview and not once was it ever stated that's why they created Kaguya. In fact, a recent interview with two of the editors around the time imply otherwise. Just look up "Otsuki and Muraoka interview" on google.

Nelo

Brother I've read all of them, that's how I know "they made Kaguya because Madara is too strong!" is not true. It's a lie spread by people who can't be bothered to actually read interviews from the writer they complain about lol. Here's a source for all of Kishimoto's interviews https://www.tumblr.com/masashi-kishimoto-archive

ChadsAccount

I will never doubt you. That’s not a joke either lol. Tis dedication, I respect it 💪. Now I got some Ammo to 1up my ‘I know everything’ brother 😅

• _ •

Yeah that tear in the sky looked like her dimension jutsu thing, I’m sure the moon we saw was a moon in the dimension on the other side of that tear.

ameno

This doesn’t seem like a dimension; she has five more worlds like this one, and she can move between them.

Kofi

Kaguya's dimensions have a moon

Kristiyan

Do you consider watching Boruto?

Abdullah

I agree. I just wanted to point out the fact that this particular episode isn't part of the manga canon. Anyway, I dislike the Kaguya narrative and the way Madara's story was wrapped up.

Abdullah

If it weren't for the haters who make it seem like the show is so bad and so on, then maybe, but unfortunately, too many reactors let themselves be swayed by a wave of haters and fail to see the other side—namely, the people who actually like the show.

SomeOneElse

Remember what they said? That the Sage created the moon, and there were no moon so you saw Kaguya opening the portal to use something else as the moon to reflect her Infinite Tsukuyomi

moja

Kaguya done Jogo's Domain Expansion with no hand signs lol. But seriously the fact that Bamboo Cutter story that you called was so accurate, it's like your the Mentalist 🤣. I heard of Kaguya's name assossiated with a legend before, but you called it instantly, so fair play. I guess Naruto was my first anime so I couldn't get much of the refrences. Anyways enjoy a stress free weekend hopefully, "Hero's Come" will keep you safe.

Noble

How she activated infinite tzukuyomi at that time was because there were no moon on earth at the time, so she opened a dimension where a moon exist somewhere else and use that moon to cast the infinite tzukuyomi

Emrys

Black Zetsu has been alive for aeons, so during the time Madara displayed his willpower to Obito, Black Zetsu emerged, making it seem like he was Madara's creation.Madara believed in his power more than anything which made it easier for Black Zetsu to manipulate him.

Daniel Castañeda

20:10 Actually i think the ooutsuzukis are based on gods and japanese legends that are related to the bamboo cutter

Daniel Castañeda

32:55 Kaguya came from the sky . like the tree. Space basically

Daniel Castañeda

33: 52 That FAKE SKY is not a faker sky . that's the normal sky . The thing is that at that moment the moon didn't exist . Remember the moon is basically how kaguya was sealed by her sons. Using that same power pain uses to make the planetary devastation. So kaguya had to summon a portal , that showed us a moon somewhere in space to reflect the infinite tsukinome . Because there was no moon on earth yet

Daniel Castañeda

literally the manga had one of the worst pacings in these chapters . the anime did it better . un til the end actually.

JKman

Personally I dislike Kaguya as a character, but I'm fine with Black zetsu and I actually really love how they wrapped up Madara's story here. It's unfair to him, but that's the point.

JKman

It has haters for a reason, it's a bad sequel show.

JKman

The manga has good pacing. We get information, we get action, we get story progression. The anime wastes a ton of time with flashbacks, filler arcs and stuff that's only there to drag out the story.

Alana Misako

this didn’t feel like filler at all to me, and i’m surprised to hear most of this stuff isn’t in the manga. i thought this pacing was better than most of the beginning of the war arc lol

Alana Misako

i don’t really have an opinion on her as a character right now because i haven’t seen the full story yet, but i really like the story i’ve seen so far. i am upset at madara’s end though 😩

Alana Misako

not sure yet!! i don’t want this story to be over hahaha but so many people have told me they don’t like it. i have also heard that the manga is better because i guess the anime has a lot of filler, so maybe I’d read it instead ????

Spunkbutter

SciTails - that might be YOUR issue with it, but I’m specifically referring to the widespread criticism that it came out of nowhere and was essentially a random decision Kishimoto made last minute. It had been foreshadowed for quite some time and even upon rewatches you can start catching little hints in early shippuden.

Isaiah

Kaguya our super weird plant mama ❤️

Andrew

Did the og show episodes 1-2 get taken down? I can’t find it

walter p torres

It's not bad, and most people that still hate on it don't read it/haven't kept up with the series since 2017 and just regurgitate the same tired outdated untrue talking points

walter p torres

Alana pls don't listen to the goofy haters Boruto is peak ( the manga is def better ), if u do decide to watch the anime just watch the manga canon only ( and a select few anime canon episodes ) , while I'd be super hyped if u read the manga the anime does improve upon a lot of the fights ( Boruto has fights that are just as good if not better than most Shippuden fights ) and also improves on some emotional moments. But pls give this series a shot

Matt Brock

Personally I'm all for these fillers when im not normally a filler guy. I even wrote a note to the mods saying these are important. Kishimoto was rushed and pressured to finish the manga quickly because the anime was so close to catching up so the Kaguya stuff didnt get fleshed out as well. I think people who watch this show blind wouldn't have an issue with her if these were considered Canon so people dont have as crazy whiplash going from Madara to her.

Westy

Oh no, Kaguya has the same voice as Big Mom from One Piece lmao Oh no, I can't unhear it now.

Westy

You mean Big Mom vibes? :P