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Buffy The Vampire Slayer 3x10 - "Amends" Full Reaction (Patreon)

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2021-10-16 18:18:00
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Allan Cornett

One of the best performance in the series by Sarah. I watch this every Christmas.

Darrell Palmer

Sarah's acting skills take this series to another level every time.

Steven

Angel seemingly being punished for Angelus' deeds with the curse seems contrary, until you remember Jenny's uncle Enyos words. The fact the demon is powerless and is tied to a guilt ridden soul who attempts to make up for the demon's missdeeds (thereby tormenting the demon) is all that matters. The fact Angel's human soul suffers is irrelevant. It's not fair, it's Vengeance.

Midnight Crypt Worx

Love Sarah! I get why you don't think the Angel/Angelous thing doesn't make sense. Yes it was the demon that did all the bad stuff, but it's not fully demon, Angel is still in there. They still have some of their personalities. Like Evil Willow still kinda sounded and acted like her in a way. Plus, Angelous committed all those murders with his body, so he doesn't necessarily have clean hands. Just my take. <3

Flora Smith

Angel and Angelus aren’t separate entities. They have the same memories because they have the same brain. Angelus is Angel just minus the conscience and moral compass his soul provides. It’s the same basic personality it’s just altered and warped by the presence of the soul or the lack thereof. They’re both demons - Angel can’t handle a crucifix anymore comfortably than Angelus can. I think vamp Willow and vamp Xander still being besties (and whatever else lol) in The Wish also plays this out. Despite being demons, they are still recognizably themselves on a fundamental level. IMO the vampire/demon is a perversion of the original human personality, but not a wholly different being.

cruzinbosco

The snow was a sign from well, for now, we'll just say the universe that Angel is wanted and needed in the world.

Briony Addey
>>69943436

But the demon soul and the human soul are separate entities. They inhabit the same body, and that body is demonic....

Briony Addey

I totally feel the same as you, Dodo. At a certain level it makes no sense at all that Angel feels so guilty about Angelus' actions. They are two souls (one demonic, one human) who happen to share the same body. Ok, this includes memory and some aspects of personality, but that doesn't mean Angel is responsible for what Angelus does. I think that we're supposed to understand Angel's character as symbolic of either us generally, where we have a good side and a shadow side, or someone who has an addiction (so there's a sober side vs a 'drunken' side). Although in Angel's case this 'split' occurs due to a supernatural situation, whereas in the natural situation it occurs because someone lacks integrity (in other words they sometimes act in a way contrary to their stated values). But it's a frustrating piece of symbolism insofar as the fact that the souls of Angel and Angelus are separate entities is metaphysically and ethically significant. An action has to be 'ours' and in some way under our control for us to be morally responsible for it, and that is just not the case for Angel. (My PhD was about this topic- not Buffy, unfortunately, but the factors required for moral responsibility)

Flora Smith
>>70006249

What’s the ‘demon soul’ concept? Google is not helping me. All I can think of is the ‘demon sets up shop line’ from the pilot but without exception vampires are described as being soulless entirely not as having a demonic soul?

Briony Addey
>>70006249

In metaphysical systems which includes 'soul', it's usually understood to be, roughly,an animating, willing, essence. On that kind of a definition, a demon would have to have one.... I know they use words like 'soulless' but I interpret that to mean without a human soul. Honestly, though, the canon isn't entirely clear or consistent on all things metaphysical, so reasonable people can differ on interpreting the schema presented in the text!

Eric Paul Owens

Its not as simple as making them different entities. Angel is not the man he was before Angelus and he is not Angelus but they are both part of him. (I totally think this is why we got the scene showing him as a layabout drunk as a man) While the soul in him keeps the demon at bay its still there, angelus is still there. He is not completely blameless for the actions of angelus. He remembers them, he did them, when his soul was not there to hold the demon back. When someone gets blackout drunk or high and does something horrible, they were not in control of what they did, and would not normally do those things, they will both have to live with what they did and face consequences. Its not a totally accurate analogy since angel has no choice in becoming angelus, but I completely feel the legitimacy of both his own moral ambiguity and the mistrust of those he hurt.