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Evangelion 3.0 + 1.0 Thrice Upon A Time (Patreon)

Published:
2023-02-01 05:00:04
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2025-07-31 19:25:28
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Heather, Nick and Matt discuss the final film of the Evangelion Rebuild, Evangelion 3.0 + 1.0 Thrice Upon A  Time.

Next week: We'll be doing an Evangelion Mailbag episode! Send us your thoughts on Neon Genesis Evangelion, the End of Evangelion, the Evangelion rebuild films, whatever you want! Comment with your thoughts or you can email us at getplayedpod@gmail.com or leave us a brief voicemail at 616-2-PLAYED (616-275-2933)

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Sssiiimmmooonnn

My favourite thing about Eva is that when you select “Third Impact” from the options menu of the N64 game, it deletes your save data. Masterpiece

Numlocks

This movie was terrible

Console Canon

I think Nick was searching for the "Born Sexy Yesterday" trope? There's a great watch about that on YouTube.

Console Canon

Heather speaking about how these movies broke her reminds me of how I felt when Watchmen came out and I vowed never to become that obsessed with a movie's development and promotion ever again.

Dangmo

I got into Eva when it hit Netflix. I’m a casual watcher of anime in general, and figured it was time to find out why this one is so great. I proceeded to tear through the series, couldn’t stop thinking about it. I went down rabbit holes trying to understand the lore, character motivations, and minor details. It’s my favourite, edging out Bebop. So when I cracked open the rebuilds, not too long after, they didn’t feel like a repudiation of a long established fandom, they just felt supplemental. In that way I had the luxury of enjoying some of the good from those movies, while still compartmentalizing the OG series and End of Eva as the full canonical story. Also I didn’t have to wait 15 fucking years for the movies to wrap up.

Kevin Ela

Great movie. Do we need 8 minutes of nitpicking the buildings in Paris? It’s a one hour episode. The minutia is unreal. Nick is incorrect when he tells Heather “this is great and people want to hear this”. Everyone knows the movies are completely different from the series. Detailing every difference while saying “this sucks” over the course of 4 episodes adds absolutely nothing to the conversation.

Matt

Heather explaining all the backstory that I was unaware of actually made me like this movie more. But I also love the matrix and I like resurrections.

Matt

I get why Heather feels attacked because the series means so much to her, so I guess the difference between this and resurrections is that at no point did I feel Lana resented me as a fan. She resents the machine and the fact that she had to make it. She also pointedly resents people as nauseum dissecting her work to the point of oblivion, but I never got the feeling that the fans were the target.

David Mucci

This was so much easier to listen to than last week imo. I feel like the stuff they didn’t like was tackled with humor and lightness that was missing last week, which felt like someone talking about their dog dying for an hour. I still kinda like these in viewing them as just a supplement to a series I really enjoyed. And really, thanks to you guys for your podcasts, I really genuinely enjoy listening to you all and cannot thank you enough for getting me into anime/manga and back into video games.

Numlocks

What the hell is an imaginary Eva

Kevin Weber

I would have loved to hear yall talking about the differences in the final impact of EoE vs the weird additional impact at the end of this film. I mostly liked it, but my main beefs: - It got a little silly with the spears. The ease in which they created Gaius was a little goofy. - Everything about the Golgotha object was rushed, I wanted to know way more. - There seems to be difference between near third impact and actual third impact, implied to have been stopped by unit 6, but barely explored. - NO explaination of the weird layers of FOI's near the site of the entrance to the anti-universe. - The redonculous amount of Eva-7 units. Aren't the Eva's supposed to be incredibly expensive and resource hogging to create? Where is Gendo getting all of raw materials to build them? I get nerv went full automation, but the sheer amount of unit 7's deployed was silly and the scene was so short. Like why have them at all. - Additional impact felt rushed. I think EoE's impact was more visually interesting. I do think the film making especially in the first half was freaking excellent, the animation is wonderful. I loved the Shinji/Gendo battle. Shinji's redemption arc was so nice to see but again rushed. Our boy got his groove back at least. All of this being said, thanks for doing these podcasts!! I did get a lot of joy listening to y'all!!

Jeremy Burchett

Mailbag Question -- This last Thanksgiving, I was surprised when my 17 year old nephew arrived wearing a Neon Genesis Evangalion cap, and he seemed equally suprised that I, as a 46 year old, was actually aware of the series and a fan. (FWIW, he's a huge fan of the reboots as well.) After some conversation, I discovered that he's also up to date on both the Chainsaw Man anime and manga. It honestly left me a little unnerved that the person I shared the most interests with at this large family gathering was someone that only recently got a permit to learn how to drive. My question is, when you're in the company of other grown-ups, do you sometimes feel like a dorky kid in the body of an adult? Bonus question -- do younger people who only watched the original series recently dig the reboot in a way that those who watched it decades ago don't?

Arthur Newman

I like the series over the rebuilds but I enjoy that idea of the final rebuild represents moving on kinda of made me choke up on my route today. Question was there ever talks of just redoing every episode shot for shot but with better graphics and a clearer ending ?

Rachael

Day one listener, first time reviewing. I was completely on board for the rebuilds with the first two movies. I was even more excited for the third one seeing that teaser trailer at the end of You Can (Not) Advance, but then had my hopes crushed by Heather's revelation that none of those things will happen. I tried to go in with an open mind but those last two movies were rough. I have so many thoughts about the rebuilds. I like them better after hearing Heather talk about how they are really just Hideaki Anno's way of processing his career. But that last film definitely felt like if Hideaki Anno read every fanfic of Eva and said yes to every element of it. The last half hour was just him saying "HERE. I'LL EXPLAIN EVERYTHING FOR YOU, YOU GREEDY DUMB FUCKS. GENDO IS JUST LIKE SHINJI. KAWORU HAS BEEN PLAYING HIS PART REPEATEDLY. ASUKA IS SAD AND ALONE AND JUST WANTS TO BE LOVED. SHINJI WANTS TO LIVE IN A WORLD WITHOUT EVAS. SO SHOULD YOU." Heather's comment about how the whole film felt mean towards the fan base with its messaging really resonated with me. I also wonder if the real goal of these rebuilds was to turn everyone away from Evangelion and ruin the original series. I may not like the rebuilds, but I might buy them when they come out with a box set, just to have them. For now, I'm going to go rewatch the original series and pretend these don't exist.

Dongler

I was SO excited after watching the first movie know that there were three more massive movies that deviated from the original series. I can understand both schools of thought about the rebuilds but I ended up echoing the sentiment of "why are these necessary?" The first two seemed to know what they were doing and accomplished intrigue and entertainment but it feels they lost focus and reworked the story into what made the original story so odd, just without the same captivation and nuance. That said, the visuals were fucking awesome. I'm not someone who enjoys the 2.5D animation style but so far this and Chainsaw Man are the only anime to pull the style off without looking to clunky and out of place. I'm sad that Rei's character still feels like an afterthought Anno forgot about again but maybe that's her purpose as a story device. All in all I would say the first two movies were 3/5 and the second two were 2/5 for style over substance. There was so much promise and I love the original series but this just bummed me out, and not like the series. Now it's time to go touch grass again, thanks Obanno.

Mauricio Diocis

So my thoughts as I was finishing were the following: Firstly, this was definitely all the ideas Anno had left over which GAINAX took to Gurren Lagann, the similarities are startling. Gurren Lagann is still my personal favorite anime and highest possible recommendation. Secondly, from my perspective, the rebuilds, along with the show, tell a complete story. The director seems to want to say that it's ok to re do but don't be shamed by the past nor mad at the differences that the future might bring. A big message that stood out to me was that when we grow older we reflect differently in what our pain is, and sometimes upon those reflections we see our past tormentors as victims themselves. There is hope in us, and finding it is hard, but ultimately our doing and responsibility to find within ourselves. Furthermore, I found how often characters note that the cycle repeats and that this has happened before, along with the red seas, as meta commentary of the shows being both a reboot and a sequel. But I also saw it as a way for the creator to find new hope in his creation and actually trying to be happy within the narrative he created, meaning giving different characters new ways to express themselves in ways they never could have, would have, or been even thought of doing in the original work. I found this to be some radical stuff. While I can see the discourse this series of films could cause for the fans of the show, I do think there is a way to hold the original too preciously and seeing these movies obtusely because of it. Which is also a totally valid reading of them, I found myself agreeing to a LOT of Heather’s points about how little the character really interact and know each other for the emotional beats to pay off without having seen the show. A lot of anime series sequel movies break down like this (see Eureka Seven), which I think was part of the influence to do something completely different here that the fans might not accept. Sure, Anno took this to an extreme, but that’s his flair as a director. When I had 10 minutes left of the last movie I remember feeling happy and optimistic. It made me realize that it's ok to grow beyond where you originally started, and it's ok to revisit and change. “Depression is a young man's game” is a lyric from 5 Flucloxacillin from Los Campesinos! and it seems apropos here with the addendum that kindness is the true work. Also, RE: Mari. To me, she represents the original ideals of the series, and the want to move past it, personified. Anno realizing later in life happiness with others is possible and how it can fix things you didn't like about your own past even if unrelated. She can be slid into the back story of the past but can change the future. Creates the future, and can also let go of the past. Good bye, all Evangelions! Again, I can see why this would hit different to different people. For me, having just watched the show with you guys (something I was afraid to do myself most of my life because of how sad I heard it is and my own bouts with mental health), and now in a happier more stable point in my life, and in therapy where I'm dealing with my depression head on instead of avoiding it or romanticizing it as I did most of my life, saw it as a beautiful coda to the whole franchise. But! ALSO, it's so valid if these weren't your vibe, the movies also say that it's that's ok to hold on to things you find dear. It had a vibe of the ending of the Watchmen, where the monster shows up you can see that the point is that comics are silly and that it's ok not to take everything seriously, through Alan Moore's (and Anno too at times, especially in his interviews about the work) usual mean spirited ribbing of how ridiculous it is to take it seriously. While Anno I feel was trying to push anime into this other echelon that he believes no one has reached since the original series, I don’t fault the movies themselves for his hubris. These movies felt like they wanted to say, albeit clumsily at times, all our world is full of eternal happiness and heart breaking sadness, and it is on ourselves to be radically optimistic. See the whole picture as is and take it all, good and bad, and not be defined by it all. Make your own meaning. Beautiful world. TL;DR: You can chose to be defined by misery and failures or grow from it. Until this very point I liked Eva, controversially, it was in the last ten minutes of the last movie where it unlocked as one of my favorite things I ever experienced. Incredible piece of art, ultimately hopeful and telling you, in the most labyrinthine way, to take care of yourself.

James Brooks

Revisiting this episode after rewatching the new 4k disc of this movie (and after rewatching the previous movies) and man I feel like Heather’s relationship with the tv series dragged down all of the Rebuild episodes. It felt like they were never able to judge these on their own without referencing the TV show when they’re all one complete entity, not just a retelling. That being said, I get it. But as someone who more recently took everything in I loved the series in its entirety, tv through the movies. These movies felt like a love letter and farewell to the story. I dunno, I’m just one simpleton.

Spencer Medve

Sadly these movie episodes are very disappointing. It comes off as just hating because it's not the tv show, not really discussing the films much.