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New video is up (Patreon)

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2023-01-20 13:41:53
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Hey everyone, just to let you know the new video is up. Thanks very much for your comments on the draft I shared last week.

This video is quite a bit more polished, includes a lot more visual examples and includes additional sections/interviews towards the end that weren't in the draft.

Once the dust has settled on this, I'll return back to the video I was in the middle of making when all this kicked off. See my earlier posts for more information on that video.

Thanks!
Martin

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Encouraging the Young to Die - The Most Toxic Site I've Ever Seen

I recently watched one of my followers being encouraged and coached to die on a toxic site that seeks to maximising the likelihood that its members end their own lives. In this video, I detail why this site is so destructive, why people should not give it life by participating on it and why I believe it should ultimately be made illegal. Apologies to my followers who most likely will be surprised by this content. This is a one-off video I felt I had to make. --- Resources for those who need someone to talk to: --- For the two most affected counties: US: https://988lifeline.org/ https://www.crisistextline.org/ https://988lifeline.org/ UK: https://www.samaritans.org/ https://www.thecalmzone.net/ https://seed.charity/ Everywhere else in the world: Find a helpline can quickly link you to hotlines in your own country. These are anonymous lines, where you can get advice or simply just be heard. https://findahelpline.com/ Wikipedia also has a excellent resource of hotlines for those in crisis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suicide_crisis_lines --- Other Links --- Literature & Research International Association for (S) Prevention https://www.iasp.info/our_team/rory-oconnor/ When it’s Darkest, Rory O’ Conner (2021) https://www.amazon.co.uk/When-Darkest-People-Suicide-What/dp/1785043439 The Definition of (S) - Edwin Shneidman (1985) https://www.amazon.co.uk/Definition-Suicide-Edwin-Shneidman-ebook/dp/B00HBUIOVO IMV model https://suicideresearch.info/the-imv/ Rates in the UK and US https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/2022/october/suicide-rates-record-high-amongst-15-19-year-olds https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsrr/vsrr024.pdf --- Articles on Section 230 --- https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/1/23487958/supreme-court-gonzalez-google-twitter-taamneh-section-230 https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/section-230-should-not-be-big-techs-get-out-of-court-free-card https://harvardlawreview.org/2018/05/section-230-as-first-amendment-rule/ --- Step Closer video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndjcJAaOVdg&ab_channel=IASP --- Subtitles by Pentameron --- 00:00 Introduction 06:24 How does the site work? 08:17 The philosophy of the site 10:48 "Don't seek help" 13:12 Assisting those below 18 16:22 A note about cults 17:45 Malicious actors 20:13 Protecting the vulnerable 26:28 The instruction threads 28:18 The marketplace 29:54 Who is responsible for setting up this site? 32:22 How is this site still up? 33:39 Taking action 43:06 Please seek help. You are not alone.

Comments

Owen Marks

Martin, you found a way to be moving, thoughtful, compassionate, and informative all at the same time on a very difficult subject! It was fascinating to hear you speak on topics completely unrelated to music or software design. I hope you continue to release more like this in the future. P.S. On a lighter note, my all-time favorite video of yours is the one on the Sibelius UI. I periodically re-watch it because it just never gets old.

GC

Powerful work, Martin. I'm very glad this is out in the world and I hope it finds those who need it. Tiny heads up that https://988lifeline.org/ appears twice in the description under US Resources. I don't know if you had a third site in mind or not--if not, and you'd like one, I have a very good impression of Trans Lifeline [FAQ at https://translifeline.medium.com/trans-lifeline-faq-54351b09b576] -- subpopulation-focused, unlike the others, but that subpopulation has a shockingly high risk, which I've seen estimated (for youth) at over 20 times the general population).

msx

thank you once again, Martin

Hbomb

Thank you so much for making this.

Warren Garabrandt

This is a heavy topic that must be discussed if anything is ever going to be done to improve it. Thank you for plumbing these depths. I know it must have been disturbing and challenging to do this.

sixstringedthing

Very confronting video, I've had to turn off and come back to it a couple of times but thank you Martin for wading into such a toxic community in order to shine a light on it. I've posted a comment listing a couple of Australian mental health support organisations which I'll also add here. Both of these nonprofit orgs offer telephone/online counselling and a range of other free services for people struggling with mental health and/or social issues e.g. cyberbullying. Lifeline Australia - lifeline.org.au / ph: 13 11 14 Beyond Blue - beyondblue.org.au / 1300 22 4636 edit: aaaand YouTube has deleted my comment for including a link to a not-for-profit mental health support org. Excellent work by the auto-moderation bots once again. :/ It would be great if these details could go in the video description but I understand that it's not possible to list support services in every country.

Jan Prummel

Judging from the number of comments on YouTube, you hit an open nerve. Well done. I hope such sites will be banned, soon.