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Buffy the Vampire Slayer 6x4 FULL Reaction (Patreon)

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2024-05-14 13:31:05
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2024-06-05 13:26:10
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Land Howard Johnston

There's so much to say about the Willow/Giles scene and the Scoobies dynamic, especially regarding how awful the financial situation is. But I wanted to just mention another point about the Buffy and Spike scene. This season is all about contrasts. Not only is Buffy separated from the Scoobies (understandably so) but she feels comfort being alone with Spike, on his level. Think about how many times in the episode Buffy tries to make a dark humor joke and her friends reactions are confused/concerned. They don't understand her. Yet Spike's joke about "taking them out" gets her to genuinely smile for the first time since she's been back. Not only that, but Buffy's speech about how exhausting it is to make them think she's okay. But how she's struggling to find the right words and then Spike finishes her sentence! He knows that she's trying to say how much that makes them worry even more. In the Script, it says that Buffy's "relieved to be understood without words." This is a parallel to the end of Lover's Walk where Buffy says that she can fool her friends, she can fool Giles but she can't fool herself, "or Spike, for some reason." Buffy's finally coming to terms with accepting, maybe even craving, how much they have in common. How he gets her on a base level. It's just so extraordinary of a progression in their dynamic since School Hard.

Raven Dark

I believe in the scene near the start when Buffy is staring at the water running out of the tap, she's experiencing the same thing she was in episode 3 when she was talking to her friends. Remember in episode 3, after she sees the pictures of her and her friends turn into images of "dead bodies." It's after the demon shows up as Buffy and attacks Willow and Tara in bed. The next morning, she's talking to her friends and I mentioned the way she was talking, the way she keeps pausing between words, as if she's having trouble finding the words. It's like she's zoning out, or sort of shutting down because of what she's been through. I think when she was watching the water coming out of the tap, it was another depiction of that--her getting stuck in her own head. There's also something subtle in the final scene that goes unnoticed by most. After Angel calls, Giles says she should go and see him, but after they get the bills dealt with. Buffy disagrees and says she needs to leave right now. Before she leaves Giles and the others in the room, she says, "Thanks for taking care of this for me." She never asked. She just assumed they/he would. That's how hard it is for her to deal with things right now. it's alarming, and heartbreaking.

Tyler ✨

I think the confrontation between Willow and Giles was extremely necessary and the acting was very powerful. I can't say much else without providing spoilers, but I think this moment really sets up a lot for the future of the show.

RavenLord

I'll throw in my own thoughts about the house/money/living situation. While Tara and Willow were necessary when it was only Buffybot and Dawn on her own, they are no longer needed to be living in the house. While we are not told their situation exactly, we can assume they have student loans and/or (in Willow's case, since we don't know Tara's family situation) allowance from parents while going to university. Enough that it's probably paying for basic necessities for them, however it was working for them in Seasons 4 and 5 of university life. That's well and good, but seeing as they don't have jobs that we have ever seen, they are now mooching off Buffy for any extras. No doubt there were some expenses in the Buffybot upkeep for 6 months. Dawn's expenses would have to be covered, and that's not mooching, but it's hard to believe Tara & Willow didn't partake in the groceries as well; that was fine when they were taking care of Dawn, but NOW it's mooching. IMO, anyway. Tara & Willow should be paying rent to continue to live and eat there. If they're helping with cleaning and cooking, great, but they should still be contributing financially, especially with them knowing that the money is nearly gone and Buffy can't hold a decent job while being the Slayer (and being so young with no work experience). House maintenance would be utilities - heating, water, sewage, telephone, Internet. They can cut the TV cable and remove that expense. Then there are living expenses - food, necessary clothing, school supplies, allowance for Dawn, and cleaning/household products. My solution honestly would have been to sell the house and buy a 2-bedroom house for just Buffy and Dawn. While they wouldn't get a great price for their house because it's Sunnyday, it also wouldn't cost very much to get a much smaller house in Sunnydale. Buying it outright means no mortgage, owning means no rent payments, and they should have a decent amount of money to put in a savings account (and maybe even a small start on Dawn's college fund) for upkeep and living expenses.

RavenLord

For immediate emergency money of a few hundred, they could have a garage sale. They likely have Joyce's stuff stored somewhere and gathering dust.

Will3000

ONE THING I love about this show is how the story archs go back so many seasons. Willow's power starts getting super strong in season 2 when she restores Angel's soul. Still, the first time ANYONE tells Willow that they're worried about how strong she's getting with magic was TARA in season 5. Before the multicultural fair... Tara says that it scares her. Tara immediately apologizes, but that leads to their first ever fight. Before they can make up, Glory gets to Tara and we end up seeing Willow go full OP while fighting Glory. Well, at the start anyway. Now Giles is seeing it, and Willow gets angry again... It's such an interesting way of story telling that spans multiple seasons and episodes. It's so good!

Will3000

This comment baffles me, because it's made clear in this episode that Joyce did a good job of setting up both Buffy and Dawn. I unfortunately know how expensive medicals bills are, and they don't go away if the person passes away. My father had brain cancer, and his brain surgery to remove the tumor they could try to remove was over 100k. That didn't cover the 3 months he was hospitalized before that. I suppose I can see that jobs could have been an option, but we're talking about a matter of months. And both Tara and Willow are still at college for all we know at this point. They also stepped up to provide stability for Dawn by moving in and handling patrolling with the Buffy bot. School and patrolling at all hours. Well, that doesn't leave a lot of time for even a part time job. I just don't see how they can be faulted for the financial issues... they were saving the world, providing support for Dawn, and most likely going to college. I just don't see how they would have had time for jobs. And Dawn living in an apartment with the Buffy bot... I really don't see that happening. Also, it's a television show 🤷‍♂️

thorreacts

You make so many excellent points here! Spike's progression as a character, and especially in regards to his relationship/ connection with Buffy is one of the best things so far in the show for me. I can't say how strongly I understand/ relate to Buffy's relief and comfort around someone who she doesn't have to put on a brave face around or act like everything is ok. Also, a shared sense of humor is always valuable, but in hard times is priceless.

thorreacts

Yeah I was looking for a setup to some supernatural threat related to the pipes/ water, but was so wrong... it is heartbreaking to see Buffy withdraw so much as a survival/ coping mechanism since her unhappy return to the physical world. And I didn't fully appreciate that detail there at the end! The fact that Buffy (who is certainly not a rude person) can't find it in herself to even ask for help says so much about her state of mind.

thorreacts

Yeah I thought the scene was great, and it did feel a bit like watching distant storm clouds gathering on the horizon...

thorreacts

You make a good point here. I feel like the answer has more to do with suspension of disbelief/ logistics of shooting the show than any practical explanation, although maybe Tara and Willow are pulling their own weight, but even with their help the medical bills/ cost of living in a big house is just too high?

thorreacts

I like where your head is at, it can be a lot of fun applying some real world financial solutions to this situation. Even if they didn't sell the house, I think renting out a few rooms might also be an option (in case there's any hope of the real estate value in Sunnydale improving in the future). I for one think Spike would be an excellent candidate as a roomate. First step though would be to give Dave Ramsey a call, I would love to listen to that Q & A with Buffy and maybe even Giles on the line.

Raven Dark

I really love this point. But I think it's even more powerful/well utilized than that. For me, the first time anyone expresses worry over Willow's power or use of magic is in season two, when she wants to do the spell that restores Angel's soul. It's in the scene where Willow's in the library with Giles and the other Scoobies (before Xander does that doochenozzle move of bringing up Jenny Calendar) and Willow says she's been researching the black arts. First, she adds in, "for fun," and there's something about the way she says it that hints that she might be going down an alarming path. Then Giles says something about (and I don't remember the exact line) once she uses the magic needed to save Angel, "It may open a door that you may never be able to close." We see the worry he feels that she's already taking steps in the wrong direction. There may even be indicators before that, but this is the first one I recall.

thorreacts

Yes! I couldn't agree more. The way the writers have the foresight to setup so many storylines/ arcs/ foreshadowing and then have the memory and skill to connect moments from previous episodes is one of the best aspects of the entire show. It makes for such a rewarding experience for the viewer, and I imagine largely contributes to making rewatches nearly as enjoyable as the first time.

RavenLord

Will, I think you misunderstood what I was trying to convey. Maybe because I get a little wordy. Your response baffles ME, lol. I am truly sorry about your father's ordeal. I never said Joyce didn't set them up, not in the least. She DID. She had life insurance. It was explained that the medical bills took that money (which is what happened to me IRL except in my parents' case, it was my father's long-term care that took their entire life savings before he passed). I never said that was anyone's fault; it isn't. Joyce prepared everything carefully. It just didn't work out in the end because of the medical expenses. Willow and Tara living there, taking care of Dawn, and using some of the money for themselves is perfectly acceptable. They couldn't leave her on her own with a robot. However, there is no reason for them to still be staying there and (presumably) using the utilities and consuming groceries, now that Buffy is back. Also, people do work and go to school. It's tough, and I totally get why people wouldn't want to, plus they have extra stuff going on. But it's reasonable to think they should contribute financially while they are living there. They have *literally* moved in and took over the master bedroom. Now that Buffy is back, new arrangements should be made because they are not longer necessary for Dawn's sake. I said that Buffy should get a small house for her and Dawn. I can't figure out why you think I was suggesting that Dawn and Buffybot (??) should have an apartment on their own? No, Buffy needs a smaller house with lower $$ upkeep, and not to have extra people staying with them indefinitely. That's a practical solution. Yes, it's a fictional tv show. Sigh. That's not the point. But I think we're really just not understanding each other rather than real life vs. fiction.

Christina Gmiterko

Just FYI, no you won't be seeing the Buffy/Angel reunion. They only talk about it because at this point they were on different networks and there was bad blood between UPN and WB.

Will3000

You're totally right!! Willow really dips her toes in in dark magic in the episode where Giles is kidnapped and poor Kendra is killed by Drusilla. I guess what I was thinking of is the parallel of how in "Becoming Part 2" Willow is kinda hijacked, the light is all different and she's speaking Latin. It reminds me of her dark eyes at the start of the Glory fight. Then, during "After Life" in season 6, Willow and Tara are chanting to make the demon corporeal! Then Willow shocks us all by breaking the spell... her eyes turn black, etc. And all she had to say is "Solid" to perform the spell. PS: Tara my favorite character on Buffy by 100 miles. Her arch in building her confidence and always saying the best things with her compassionate voice. I just LOVE her. I also appreciate the way she uses magic. She's powerful, but only uses it when it's necessary. Still she doesn't use just because she can. A wonderlful foil Willow.

Will3000

You're right. I misunderstood. I'm sorry about that. I had 3 jobs to put myself through undergrad. I wasn't fighting vampires, lol. But you're right, there could've been better ways to handle things after Buffy's death. I'm sorry I didn't think things through before replying.

Viera Galikova

Tara and Willow have "income" from scholarships, which is why they don't have jobs. Also, after school they take care of an unofficially adopted teenager. After finishing Friends, i think it's worth checking out the "rip-off" show How I Met Your Mother that came 1 year after Friends - it has Willow as one of the main leads. Alyson Hannigan is amazing.

Viola.S1

I'm totally siding with Giles on that one. Yes, it's good for the Scoobys that Buffy is back (not even gonna touch where they pulled her from), but the arrogance of Willow to even try to bring Buffy back against all laws of nature... I really liked Willow in the beginning of the show and found her curiosity about all things magic kind of endearing but the more power she gained the more arrogant, selfish and reckless she became. Like she knows best and she can do all and to hell with the consequences. I mean she practically put the spellbook about raising the dead into Dawn's hand when she asked to resurrect Joyce and now she actually did it herself with Buffy. Even if she tries to justfy her actions, might even believe in doing something good I think it is alarming that she doesn't seem to care about concequences and possible costs. And for me the things she said to Giles definitively read thread. You don't warn someone off if you don't mean it. Unfortunately I don't see her stoping without either breaking herself with to much power or something or someone in the world around her - maybe not even then. I really don't like her much at all anymore. And regarding the costs of life, everyone living in the Summer's house (besides Dawn) needs to contribute to the costs. Period. With 3 incomes (maybe even 4 if Giles stays longer) it should be possible to pay the bills. And I don't see why Tara an Willow didn't get jobs already. Yes, I know they are kind of parenting Dawn, but really, Dawn is 15 years old, not a toddler and until recently they also had the Buffy bot to help with household chores. Even with college, they should both be able to at least work part time.

Mary Kate

We're never explicitly told they're NOT contributing, so I think they are; it would be very out of character for Tara especially not to contribute. But I wish the show had made that clear, Tara saying something like "but my salary tutoring can't cover all these bills" or just something to let us know they'd been trying, since I don't believe they wouldn't be

Rhonda Turner

This was the firstr time I got a little irritated with you Nick - you keep saying that what Buffy is dealing with regarding her finances is just a "normal" part of life - but young girls who die before they have had time to find an income-earning occupation do not normally come back from the dead and have to deal with the family finances. Everybody's acting as though Buffy should be the one responsible for all of these things - and, for reasons completely beyond me, they are acting as though she should just get over this whole coming back from the dead thing so she can, once again, solve all their problems for them - and Willow seems to feel that Buffy should be grateful to her for bringing her back and throwing her into all of the mess. It actually feels as though that's the reason it was important to bring her back - so that Willow can prove how powerful she is and Buffy can take over as the "leader of the pack" and they will no longer be responsible for the grown up stuff... I really don't like everyone in this storyline right now outside of Bufffy, Spike, Dawn, and Giles - everyone else is being a bit boneheaded at the moment.

K'Banj

I will always believe that Xander only proposed to Anya because he thought they were all gunna die, and now that they are alive, he is dreading actually being engaged to a woman who is way too good for him!!! And Jonathan is not the leader of the group, I think he just wants friends and they just want to use him.