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Angel 4x17 FULL Reaction (Patreon)

Published:
2025-09-27 11:15:09
Edited:
2025-10-18 16:22:30
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2026-06
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Jason Harrelson

it's interesting you think it wasn't the original plan for the ascension, i'd be curious what you thought it was supposed to be and why it changed? I don't want to spoil and I don't think this is, but i'm pretty sure this was *mostly* the og plan for the storyline

Joseph Waldschmidt

So I’m pretty sure they retconned the ascension story line to fit. The reason Cordy went on vacation with Grusolog a season or so ago was cause she was prego in real life. Then her and producers had … let’s just say issues … then she got prego again and irritated the producers so the wrote it into the story this season and used it as a way to do what they do after this season. The actress for the “Child” was Gina Torres. She was a main character in Firefly/Serenity, which had been canceled just before the final run of this season, so Joss pulled a few actors from there as big guest spots for Buffy/Angel Fun idea, though never confirmed…how do we know Darla wasn’t the First trying to stop additional evil competition from coming into play with its plans?

Jason Harrelson

It's interesting that this is your take because from what I've read it was Joss who was irritated (i've not heard of other producers being named) because he felt as though Charisma didn't brief him in a timely manner. Bc he had already broke the story for season 4 and how her ascension would lead to her being the big bag, but her being preg made it difficult for it to play out like he imagined, so they reconfigured the intended storyline to accommodate a pregnancy. Either way, the basic story beats were the same, and this was more or less the the conclusion of her ascension storyline, but with a pregnancy and an actress insert to give Charisma time off. Not that I agree with Joss being irritated, just saying it as i've understood it over the last 20 years.

Tia

I loved seeing Julie Benz back! She’s just so incredible as Darla and the “you are not my mother” stung a long. The manipulation to Connor was so difficult to watch. Just when we think there is a chance something goes wrong.

HeatheЯ

Those are good points, this is a multifaceted issue. I would be frustrated if I wrote an entire story and then found out, especially if I could have been notified earlier. I think it is unfortunate that Joss exhibited unprofessional (even abusive sounding) behavior and I don't agree with that. Although this season is a clunky in a few spots I love this season. It gave Charisma an opportunity to play Cordy just a little "off" in the beginning and she did a fantastic job! I remember on my first watch trying to figure out what was gong on, thinking Cordy would never do that! Lol. And then finding out she truly never would and it wasn't her. Cordy killing Lilah was a great reveal and I'm glad they gave Charisma a chance to go full evil before Jasmine was revealed.

Kevin Kerins

Shame he seems to have missed the line about buffy escaping paradise, or that the powers that be sent darla to try and stop connor.