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In this episode Samara is haunted by her past as Allen takes advantage of her to get to Kade.

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QUESTION TIME!

1. How far do you think Allen is willing to go to ruin Kade’s life? 

2. How do you feel about Kade and Renley’s relationship after this episode? Do you think it can stand the test of time now that Allen has it out for them? 

3. What do you think about Amelia’s thoughts during her therapy session?

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Gertie Siegel

Whether or not Samara left Caleb to get help, she didn’t purposely cause his death. There must be more about what happened that we haven’t learned yet. This alone doesn’t feel like enough for Allen to use to blackmail her into mentally destroying such a good friend. He told her Caleb’s been missing for years—did she bury his body? How did Allen get any of this information in the first place? I really don’t like that Renley is collateral damage in Allen’s mission to profit off of Kade’s personal issues. She deserves much better. But Samara said it herself: the only people who knew about Amelia’s abortion other than her family are Kade, Renley, and Samara herself. Kade is going to figure it out. I’m worried about his reaction to yet another betrayal from someone he deeply cares for At the very least, I’m glad this is bringing Kade and Amelia closer. They’ve grown and matured so much recently. It’s so obvious they’re still in love and I hope they admit it soon

roamerwanderer

Damn….. —— …… I don’t think I can forgive or forget what Samara has done. I felt that betrayal deep. I understand desperation. I understand she has her own demons, guilts and fears. That rocked me, not gonna lie.

Lianna Turner Christopher

Hello ladies, Sorry for my previous post, after thinking about it for a bit I decided to take it down, rewatch the episode. I do have a lot of thoughts on this episode, good and bad. You ladies were quite subtle with this episode….a lot of balancing going on. Overall, this was a very good episode, Hell I don’t think you ladies know how to do a bad episode. Anywhoo on to the questions. 1 Allan is one of those types of people who will not stop until they break you completely. He is going to find out everything he can about Kade ,and do everything to get total revenge on him. Unfortunately, because of Kades impulsiveness and rage, Amelia, Renely, probably Ricky and Elizabeth, and strangely enough Connor are going to be in this mess with him and be directly affected. Samara is a victim of her own guilt, which is why she was easy for Allan to manipulate. There is definitely more to her story with Caleb, and she is quite ambitious. 2 First, I love the dynamic between Kade and Renley, it is so freaking mature and honest! Their conversation/argument showed just how strong and stable their relationship could and can be. Renley is the balance Kade needs! Now can they weather Allans plans for revenge…..if Kade was fully over Amelia and completely invested in his relationship with Renley then they probably could, however, that is not the case so I can see it being easy to drive a wedge between them. Oh, and until Kades takes that ring off Renely is going to keep things as they are. 3 This part is what confused me a bit because I feel like I’m missing something. Amelia’s thoughts during her session were both interesting and infuriating, will get to that in a minute. Her counselor assignment for her feels like a foreshadow, while also being a possible agent for change. Ricky and Elizabeth, such a cute couple! I wish they had more airtime! They are an awesome support for Kade and have some of the best interaction with him. Ricky is a great sounding board for Kade. I wish we knew when he decided that Kade and Amelia were toxic to each other. He was such a big supporter of their relationship, so its interesting to see him shift away from that. Elizabeth's feelings about this unknown……which is kind of weird. Allan, what an asshole! But a great villain for this series. Though you would think someone as powerful as he would know or found out who Amelia’s family is……more specifically who her stepfather is. The Park/Diaz/Wallace families are not the ones to be f*cked with. Renley, OMG I LOVE THIS CHARACTER!!! She is the best foil for Kade. Kades relationship with Renely is the complete opposite of his relationship with Amelia because she gives him what he needs, not what he wants, nor does she baby or protect him from the truth. She actually did what Amelia HAS NOT done and that's called Kade out for what he did to Amelia on their wedding night. This right here should have been Kades clue that she wouldn’t leak anything to the press. So glad she walked out on his ass after he questioned her. Renley doesn’t play, she lets Kade have it when he messes up and is not afraid to speak her mind! I know there is more to Renley since we haven't had a flashback about her past yet, but I bet it's coming. Kade, I really want to really love his character, but he just keeps getting in his own way. He is too afraid to let go even though deep down he probably knows he should. He did say something veeerrry interesting after his conversation/argument with Renley that he thinks he and Amelia are over, that they tried and failed, and also that they are just “friends”. Unfortunately, his words say one thing while his actions say another. Also, I think Amelia sleeping with Connor bothers him more than we know. Connor has been and alway will be an issue for Kade because he has always felt that Amelia has never fallen completely out of love with him. As matter of fact, the Greece episode last chapter when Kade was standing in the alleyway alone while everyone was having fun and taking pictures, he said that he wondered how much of Amelia really belonged to him, and how much belonged to Connor. Amelia, I’m really struggling to have empathy for this chick! And this is sad because I used to love her character, now she just seems whiny and needy to me. She whined about wanting a friend, and I’m like but bitch you ruined all your friendships and have done nothing to heal them. I just saw this as a convenient way for Kade to come to her rescue. Okay ladies, this is where I had the biggest problem, you mean tell me the only person willing to be there for her is Kade………not her mom, dad, Seb,.......no one else just him? That makes no sense, especially considering how close and supportive Amelia’s family is of her. Also, this news getting out to the general public could have long reaching effects because we do not know exactly who knows about Amelia’s termination, like does Mark know? Does Steph and Nev? James? With Bella being the nosy queen she is, did she see this? She was the one who told Amelia about Kades interview that went viral. Can you imagine being Connor at this moment, he is now known as the ex whose baby Amelia didn't want because she wants to be with Kade. Which leads to my second issue, I felt like it was very arrogant of Amelia to think she was the only one capable of making the right decision about the baby. I know many won’t agree but it wasn’t wrong for Connor to try to fight for his child, he just went about it the wrong way. And the truth is SHE is the one who wasn’t ready and since she had the ultimate say she got to decide. Not to mention Amelia did NOT tell Connor the whole truth about why she wanted to terminate. As far as I can tell, he does not know she is an alcoholic or in rehab. Just so ya’ll know I am pro-choice I just like looking at things from both sides. Ladies, this was a good episode. It just felt kind of incomplete because Amelia’s storyline affects more characters other than her and Kade, so it just felt very one-sided. Maybe this a side effect of Amelia’s story line being split between two series.

roamerwanderer

Ba-by…I got time to-day, OK? So let’s dig in! Initially, I thought the abortion/pro-life protesters were outside of the Diaz residence! The press setting off a firestorm of chaos in front of their home. Plus the sign — “Your mom chose life” — I thought it was a combo of subtly revealing that Morgan and Logan leaked Ashley and Mark’s past. Plus a way of saying Amelia chose abortion while though Ashley got pregnant as teen, she chose to keep Amelia. I was like, brilliant! Lol, I now realize it happened outside the rehab facility. How is everyone going to deal with the ramifications of this? So much potential blowback and exposure into everyone else's lives. Why was it Kade who went to check on her? I immediately thought that papa Seb and Ashley were gonna jet over there to comfort her. Now Mark knows. I wonder how and if he’s gonna deal with Ashley about leaving him in the dark again while Seb knows everything. Will Amelia attend Nevaeh and Stephano’s wedding? She better. Will her news all over the media overshadow it? Bella, Mateo, and Steph being in school and having the gossip be about their older sister? How will they deal? Juicy. Again, I love the mess. I’m glad Connor didn’t show up. Though I questioned Kade being there, I enjoyed seeing them together. It was a beautiful moment. I liken it to when Deon and Makayla met up that one time at his house with Grandma J. It was also a beautiful moment between the two even though they were no longer together. It does make sense that he would come. Amelia came with Lucas and Liz in tow back in chp. 10 when he was going to beat Allen down. Then again, it also speaks to the habits they unfortunately seem to be reforming. I will say Amelia did seem surprised to see him. Maybe Kade was true to his word in chp. 7 about being there for and helping to shoulder her burdens.

roamerwanderer

I absolutely adore Lucas. He is the type of person, friend, cousin, anyone would want in their corner. The support he and Liz have for Kade is unmatched. Truly the most special characters in Kade’s life. Samara, Samara, Samara… Sis is so far gone. I did not expect her to do what she did. The way she played it off, while texting Kade, whew. Whatever happened between her and Caleb has obviously played a huge role into the woman she is now and the decisions she has made. If she is involved with what seemingly appears to have been an overdose, she was high out of her mind and probably could not have processed what may have been happening to Caleb. Though the whole story hasn’t been revealed, it definitely reminds of Kade and Angel. In terms of how racked with guilt and at fault he felt over it. Samara is paralleling that. I can see Kade spazzing out and spiraling over this. This is the kind of treachery he never saw coming. Just like how Amelia never told him about Angel. Sure he’s changing, but this is not something light. We saw how he reacted when he found out about what Allen was doing to Ren. To know again that one of the people closest to him who got him to open up publicly about his past did this to him. No, I don’t see this going down well. In the future, how does she even recover or begin to mend her relationship with Kade over this? Thinking too far ahead. At this point, there is no coming back from this. They are each others best friend and child hood friend. That shit’s gone out the window.

roamerwanderer

When I tell you I really like Renley, I love that girl. She and Kade have such a spirited dynamic. I have to side eye her though. Girl was talking about how the restaurant was fancy for two people who are just friends. Yet, they were holding hands the entire walk to that fancy restaurant… Ren, girl, lets not pick and choose what constitutes friendship actions. I know she’s trying to keep things in perspective — as she should. I enjoyed their tit for tat, back and forth. She gives just as good she takes. For the most part, she doesn’t lose sight of what is. I don’t think she will anytime soon with that ring still blatantly on his finger. What struck me a bit is in the midst of their argument, Kade asked her does she even want to be there with him. I was thinking they’re only having a disagreement. Why would Kade immediately jump to that conclusion? It speaks to his own insecurities. He looked defeated when said that. He is not used to how two people can have a conversation that is a disagreement. It doesn’t mean someone no longer wants to be around you. For him its once friction shows up, we’re done. That’s the expectation. The question Ren posed to him about if he still loves Amelia — umm, that’s a resounding yes he still does. She could tell his answer was bullshit. Her expression said it all. I still believe that it is up to Kade to completely sever his ties romantically with Amelia. I don’t think Amelia will ever be able to do it nor does she really want to. Kade could potentially have a good thing going with Renley if she desires it and deems it worthwhile. He continues to hold onto his past relationship with Amelia instead of laying it to rest. Let it be what is was during that period in their lives. He feels bound to it for some reason. Same with her. Renley is the type that is ruthless about her career. She will do what it is she believes she needs to do in order to maintain her dominance. I like how unrelenting she is with acknowledging that. Even if she has to do some things and deal with some less than savory situations. On the flip side, she is morally straight in the sense that she would never out another woman’s abortion or reveal the secrets of someone who has confided in her. Ren was rightfully pissed off and hurt by Kade’s insinuation. He completely blanked on the intimate details she shared with him about her own life. For him to question her integrity in that manner was a total slap in the face. Its clear why he would pose the question and I know he must have felt very uncomfortable about even asking.

Keziah Amador

I love Kade & Amelia. Hope in the future they can find their way back to eachother <3

Lianna Turner Christopher

RW my dear, you have said a mouth full and I'm down for it! The protest was a very interesting choice and was more than likely orchestrated by Allan. Your right, it does highlight the difference between Amelia and Ashley choices when it came to their unexpected pregnancies. I didn't expect Connor to show up especially with the way Amelia has been treating him and with all this being out in the open for everyone to see....yeah dude wasn't coming, and I don't blame him. Amelia had no business agreeing to that interview, same for Kade. Since its Kades Story it made sense for him to show up, it was cute but seemed way too convenient. Girl, I'm too curious about how this wedding is going to go because you know Connor is going to be there. Not mention if leaking of Kade and Amelia meeting happened before the wedding then we might be in for some serious ass drama!

Lianna Turner Christopher

I too can see Kade losing his shit when he finds out the Samara betrayed him. This is going to hit him hard and is possibly going to seriously test his sobriety. Samra got some major demons she is fighting, unfortunately the demons are winning at the moment.

Lianna Turner Christopher

Hey RW, Renley is literally showing Kade how to be in healthy and honest relationship, and poor Kade is a bit lost and baffled on how to handle it..lol. He is definitely not used to being in a relationship with someone who can argue and disagree with you but still want to love and being there for you. He is so used to toxic relationships. Guuuurrrl, Renley is falling for him which why she is probably being so salty about doing anything romantic, she is trying to protect her heart as much as possible. Yeah, Renley is not stupid, she knew the answer to her question about Kade loving Amelia before she asked it. Makes one wonder why she asked it in the first place. Also, agree that Kade will have to be the one to cut ties romantically with Amelia. Amelia is not strong enough to do it, hell, she can't even cut ties with Connor. That girl wants her cake and eat it too, in other words, I think she wants both Connor and Kade hence the threesome fantasy in episode 4. I think Kade and Connor appeal to certain parts of Amelia....Connor being her roots and Kade being her wings.

Aprill B

1. Allen is willing to go to the depths of hell to ruin Kade that was made fact at the end of this episode. However I want to know how does he know about the guy Samara left to die something is not adding up and makes me wonder. Drugs makes people do horrible things and I think she was telling the truth about trying to find help for him. However for Allen to hang this over her head is low. 2. The relationship Kade and Renley have is nice and open however I don't think it will be something long-term. To even have the doubt be set in his mind that she leaked the footage is enough. 3. YES YES YES I love she is getting to her root. That kind of work she is putting in is serious and it's starting to show. She's doing amazing! To see her without a wall raw and able to stand for herself shit the majority of ppl today are unable to do that.

Canni

First of all, I'm glad we get to see these characters, I've missed them so much! Urghh! I have sooo much to say, but so little time to type! Moments like these makes me wish we had a voice note feature. But I will be back with my thoughts!

LexisHer

1. Allen is devious! He wants to ruin Kade so bad that not only is he using the people around Kade to get to him, but screwing them up in the process. I'm so worried about Samara and what this is going to do to her personally with the drugs AND her friendship with Kade. 2. Honestly, I'm not so sure I ever liked Kade and Renley together. They feel more like a fling to me, never something meant to get serious. They each have their own shit and I like them being together is just helpful in the moment, but not meant to go anywhere. I don't really have high hopes for them lasting long, especially with Allen. I'd like to see them at least be friends however. 3. I think Amelia is making progress, but there's also a lot of things that need to be worked on. I do hate that it's being portrayed that she had the abortion to be with Kade because that wasn't really an option I think regardless. I'd like to think them getting close provides hope for their relationship romantically in the future, but also maybe just a friendship is best. I do agree with what someone said previously about Amelia's portrayal in therapy. She kind of made it seem like she was the only one who could make the decision. She definitely wasn't ready and I do believe in your body your choice, but for her to say Connor wasn't ready either was something I don't necessarily agree with.