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Podcast Episode 4: Global Climate Strike (Patreon)

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2019-09-22 08:55:36
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Dear Patrons, Here's our podcast about the global Climate Strike that just took place - and the companion episode to our latest Honest Government Ad about the climate crisis. I really wanted to post this out to all of you before the end of the weekend, while we're still all on a collective high from Friday. We interviewed some of the school kids behind the Melbourne climate strike, and then I proceed to discuss and dissect some of the bullshit attacks against them which I've seen in  our comment sections.  If you find it useful, please recommend it to your friends so we keep growing our podcast audience. I realise that not everyone here will be into podcasts - but I figure you might give it a try, since this is a companion to our Honest Government Ads, and it gives me a chance to get into more detail about the topics and issues we cover. So if you do listen to it, please give me your feedback - I'm keen to know what you think. Thanks to everyone who gave us feedback on the preview of the new Honest Government Ad a few days ago - am just making some final tweaks to it and I'll publish it in the coming day or so.Giordano <3 

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Episode 4: We're F***ed (Global Climate Strike)

Welcome to Episode 4, in which the Australien Government interviews some kids behind the Melbourne climate strike; and then we dissect some of the BULLSHIT criticisms against the global climate movement and talk about how we can look after each other so we can make history happen.

Comments

CS1

Fantastic episode, easily your strongest one yet - the improvement here compared to the first one is really obvious, the confidence with which you spoke (and presumably that's mixed in with the high from the strike) made you really engaging and captivating. I was pleasantly surprised by how witty all the kids you talked to were - the future is definitely in good hands. I also really appreciated the little discussion on the history of civil liberties; I would absolutely love to see you talk about more stuff with a historical retrospect in the future, since a lot of people who hold passionate opinions about these topics rarely stop to consider why the status quo is the way it is, and helping to educate people about these things is such a worthy and fascinating cause (to me, at least). Even if there's not an awful lot to look forward to in this current hellscape, I'm definitely looking forward to seeing what you've got next, Giordano!

Trish Lutruwita Tasmania

Good job Giordano. It was a great turn out in Hobart: 22K. It was very heartening to see that people in particular children are waking up and taking it all seriously. If ever there was a time that people need to do something, it's now. It should have happened 30 years ago because the writing was on the wall even then and politicians ignored it. My apologies for sounding like a cracked record, but I need to stress this again. If we claim to have confidence in the science, then we need to stop ignoring this following science and stop cherry picking. The following conclusion from the largest science study to date is no less important than any other science report. When I bring this to many people's attention: Crickets. I find it somewhat astonishing. "The study, published in the journal Science, created a huge dataset based on almost 40,000 farms in 119 countries and covering 40 food products that represent 90% of all that is eaten. It assessed the full impact of these foods, from farm to fork, on land use, climate change emissions, freshwater use and water pollution (eutrophication) and air pollution (acidification). “A vegan diet is probably the single biggest way to reduce your impact on planet Earth, not just greenhouse gases, but global acidification, eutrophication, land use and water use,” said Joseph Poore, at the University of Oxford, UK, who led the research. “It is far bigger than cutting down on your flights or buying an electric car,” he said, as these only cut greenhouse gas emissions." "The new research shows that without meat and dairy consumption, global farmland use could be reduced by more than 75% – an area equivalent to the US, China, European Union and Australia combined – and still feed the world. Loss of wild areas to agriculture is the leading cause of the current mass extinction of wildlife." In relation to climate change, all reputable scientists include animal agriculture as a major and significant anthropogenic contributor to climate change. Even if someone talking about climate action doesn't go vegan personally, to refuse to mention it is unconscionable. It's like not mentioning the impact of petroleum-based transportation. I cannot understand how anyone can read the results of this largest science study to date and not be horrified and decide that we need to take personal responsibility and go vegan. Changing our energy production and use means getting government and corporations to make huge changes. Changing our transport systems requires huge amounts of restructuring of our cities and dwellings. These are huge, time-consuming changes that need the backing of those in power. That becomes someone else's job. Becoming vegan can be done immediately, and it is up to no-one but ourselves. While the oligarchs and end stage capitalism are taking us all to extinction, WE can do something right now, every one of us. It is a moral imperative for us all to go vegan NOW. Not when capitalism ends, nor when fossil fuels end, nor when fracking ends etc. I feel like many on the left are thinking they can ignore veganism because they think maybe we won't need to go vegan when fossil fuel consumption ends. That's kind of idiotic and hypocritical. We need to go vegan now not just for the climate emergency, but for nonviolence since we don't need to torture and kill 1 to 3 trillion land and aquatic animals each year for mostly trivial reasons of palate pleasure. Our nonveganism is destroying the Amazon rainforest. Our nonveganism is responsible for the droughts in Australia and elsewhere. It's causing tremendous water shortages, world hunger, land destruction, ocean acidification etc. The list is endless. (check out @Seaspiracy on Instagram and see the horror we are doing to the oceans and sentient life there) To not be vegan at this point is ELITIST and it is also means we are science deniers. We can be vegan AND we can protest, engage in nonviolent civil disobedience and any other measures that will mitigate the coming disaster. We do not need to ask permission from anyone to be vegan. Forgive me but if we are not vegan and not encouraging others to do so, to be blunt, we are not taking this climate emergency seriously. It's the other inconvenient truth. I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but the change from fossil fuels to renewables is not only not going to happen any time soon but if it does by that stage it will be too late, because politicians are mostly corporate owned. If we are not prepared to change our diet to a plant based one which is something that needs no permission from anyone, why do we expect anything else to change? To say I find it disappointing and depressing that many on the left just ignore this extremely important change is an understatement.

Trish Lutruwita Tasmania

PS as well as going vegan, we must engage in nonviolent civil disobedience because the time for pleading with politicians is over. They don't need a 16 year old and school students to tell them how urgent it is. They know and they don't care. Here's some interesting information from a Chris Hedges' essay "A person who is vegan will save 1,100 gallons of water, 20 pounds CO2 equivalent, 30 square feet of forested land, 45 pounds of grain and prevent the the torture and killing of at least one sentient animal’s life EVERY day. Animal agriculture is responsible for more greenhouse gas emissions than all worldwide transportation combined — cars, trucks, trains, ships and planes.3 Livestock and their waste and flatulence account for at least 32,000 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) per year, or 51 percent of all worldwide greenhouse gas emissions. Livestock causes 65 percent of all emissions of nitrous oxide, a greenhouse gas 296 times more destructive than carbon dioxide. Crops grown for livestock feed consume 56 percent of the water used in the United States. Eighty percent of the world’s soy crop is fed to animals, and most of this soy is grown on cleared lands that were once rain forests. All this is taking place as an estimated 6 million children across the planet die each year from starvation and as hunger and malnutrition affect an additional 1 billion people. In the United States 70 percent of the grain we grow goes to feed livestock raised for consumption. The natural resources used to produce even minimal amounts of animal products are staggering — 1,000 gallons of water to produce 1 gallon of milk. Add to this the massive clear cutting and other destruction of forests, especially in the Amazon — where forest destruction has risen to 91 percent — and we find ourselves lethally despoiling the lungs of the earth largely for the benefit of the animal agriculture industry. Our forests, especially our rain forests, absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and exchange it for oxygen: Killing the forests is a death sentence for the planet. Land devoted exclusively to raising livestock now represents 45 percent of the earth’s land mass. And this does not include the assault on the oceans, where three-quarters of the world’s primary fisheries have been overexploited and vast parts of the seas are in danger of becoming dead zones. We can, by becoming vegan, refuse to be complicit in the torture of billions of animals for corporate profit and can have the well-documented health benefits associated with a plant-based diet, especially in the areas of heart disease and cancer. "

Peter Todd

Totally agree with @CS1 Absolutely fantastic podcast guys and especially your narrative and beautiful reasoning Giordano. Fabulous argument and common sense. Loved the historic perspective as well. Well done! Pete

thejuicemedia

Thanks for this excellent feedback CS1, I really appreciate it. So glad to hear the delivery has improved since ep1, that's really encouraging - and yes, it might have something to do with the high! (I'm really glad I wainted until after the strike to record the podcast). And I'm glad the historical perspective worked for you - my historian training comes in handy for that, so there should be more of that coming! Thanks so much for listrening and feeding back :)

thejuicemedia

Aw thanks Peter I'm so glad it's coming across that way - very encouraging for me as I keep exploring this new medium (for me). Thanks for taking the time to listen. G

thejuicemedia

Trisha I admire your passion and urgency - this reply is brief considering the length of your post, but please know that I appreciate the information you share with us. It does not go unnoticed and it has an impact

Redreamer - Wendy Bandurski

I have to agree on using citizen reporting of events to document the truth and encourage kids and everyone to photograph and video the truth of the situation - change begins with emotional engagement - emotional engagement begins with involvement and supporting each other. The psychology of change is clear. Love that you tackled individual responsibility vs systemic responsibility - it is something i emphasize in my climate support group. We need both. But not to beat each other up with ecological purity perspectives. Keep up the great work!!!! Waves hello from woop woop NY

Rod Saunders

There are a few things that need addressing. 1. Climate Change. 2. neoliberalism. Both are the issues that are causing social discord, inequlaity to the people. If I was asked to summarise what is is wrong with the world today, I would have to answer leaders. The amounts spent on defence could be redirected to development of resouces to combat climate change, poverty and inequaity . Of course Taxes need be increased on the wealthy and that is what all this is about. The wealthy want protection and lower taxes and hence the world troubles have emerged. Unite the lower and Middle class towards sensible economic and ecological outcomes and we may see the major change that is required in Politics.

Karlstens

If Terrence Moonseed won't have a bar of it, then neither should we!

Thomas Britz

Bloody good episode! I'm a mathematician and constantly get triggered by all the buggy logic used to attack renewables and efforts to curb greenhouse gasses. Your clear explanations here should be really helpful for loads of people, including me, to express clearly the errors in these logics. Of course, logic is not going to help convince most of the attackers, due to the bigger problem that logic, knowledge, expertise, and actual thinking has all been devalued and is seen as leftist, ivory-tower, "cultural Marxism" (whatever that is), and so on: tribalism and the memeing of slogans has always been here but is on the rise, and the danger of this particular rise is that half of the slogans are dressed up as "logic" that make tribe members believe that they are actually thinking logically themselves, not just repeating tribal mantras. Luckily, that tribe mentality also means that members will instantly change their views (and "logic") once their tribe accepts different views. If Alan Jones, Andrew Bolt, Alex Jones, or any other tribal Alphas were to suddenly get behind renewables, then millions more would support renewables - overnight. Come to think of it, Alan Jones might be the main reason that fracking hasn't wrecked Australia properly yet. Other dominant tribal culture works too, like Sky News, The Australian and so forth. But even just mainstream culture: once some issue has been settled, like marriage equality, for instance, then the tribe acknowledges the dominance and tucks its head in. All this means that you can't win by trying to have a sober discussion with any tribal members: they don't even acknowledge the notion of "discussion", only agreement or battle, not a constructive collaboration of thinking. However, you get use logic and communication to discuss and convince others, and as those convinced grow in numbers, you're winning the cultural war here. For that purpose, you could argue with tribal members, not to convince them, but to convince bystanders.

thejuicemedia

Sadly Terrence Moonseed would probably be a hardcore climate denier!

thejuicemedia

Hello hello Wendy in NY thanks so much for leaving your feedback - and thank you for talking about individual/collective responsibility in your climate support group. I LOVE that you have a climate support group btw - is that something you organised?

thejuicemedia

Thank you Thomas! Very interesting analysis. I wholeheartedly agree with your conclusion: "argue with tribal members, not to convince them, but to convince bystanders" - this is pretty much the only reason I respond to climate deniers in the comments :)

Karlstens

This needs to be explored. :)

Redreamer - Wendy Bandurski

Yes i started a facebook group to help others deal with the emotional toll of watching our habitat for life move towards extinction some 5 + years ago now - we do meetups and geographically connect people to support each other - being that it is an international based group and great distances involved it is more resilient that sitting alone with it. We recognize the science says support and validation is treated the same neurologically as face to face and it is my bit to help us all stay focused strong and to reciprocate emotional strength (and dare i say love) while we deal AS individuals living in a world that is hostile currently to those types of vulnerable discussions. It IS changing. That change is sorely needed to avoid burnout and overwhelm. I strongly suggest everyone has a support network for those by yourself times - be they in the flesh or online or preferably BOTH.

thejuicemedia

Wendy, what you've done with your climate support group is so awesome and inspiring. That's kinda exactly what I was talking about in the podcast. Meanwhile, you've actually gone and done it haha. Thank you for doing this essential work in helping people stay focused and strong. And yes, we'll talk about how we can create something like that in our own circle. <3

Rod Van Mechelen aka The Backlash

Nobody is a "climate denier." There are many, however, who are skeptical of the government propaganda claiming that humans drive climate.

Rod Van Mechelen aka The Backlash

By your and JuiceMedia's definition, I am a "denier," although nobody denies that climate changes. It's a pejorative used to shut down rather than further sober discussion. That aside, I know lots of "deniers" who, like me, love and support the idea of renewables and clean energy. I'm an American Indian, and most culturally active members of my tribe buy into the government propaganda that humans, rather than the sun, drive climate change. I try to present them with the overwhelming scientific evidence and historical data showing that we are in a long term cooling trend, but they reject it in favor of the government propaganda. Given how TheJuiceMedia exposes and mocks government propaganda, it's surprising to me that he buys into the government propaganda regarding anthropogenic global warming.

Thomas Britz

Which government are you referring to? Because our government and yours are both hardcore climate [change caused mostly by humans] deniers. The IPCC is informed by tens of thousands of scientists, several of them my mathematical colleagues here at UNSW, whose research independently and overwhelmingly points to the same conclusion: these recent increases in CO2 and other greenhouse gas levels, and the recent increases in global temperatures, are way beyond any natural cause. I buy into what my colleagues and their research tell me, and so should we all. It sounds like you're the one to buy into government propaganda.

Rod Van Mechelen aka The Backlash

Trump is not the US government. The Democratic US Congress embraces the anthropogenic climate crisis narrative. I live in the State of Washington, south of Seattle. Our governor ran for the Democratic nomination for president on a climate change anti-carbon pro-CO2 tax platform. In my original reply, I included links to sources exposing the fraud of the climate crisis religion. Somebody (Juice Media?) deleted it.

Thomas Britz

I don't know about any link deletions but no actual government of yours has yet taken climate change seriously; nor has any Australian government so far. Taxes or other mechanisms for reducing CO2 levels would be great - but, before that, the first step would be to stop pouring tax dollars - trillions of dollars each year! - into the pockets of fossil fuel industries. California and Texas have succeeded to invest admirably in renewables but it's not nearly enough, and the rest of the US lags pityfully behind, as do we here in Australia, despite a recent surge, and despite perhaps the best renewable resources in the world. Elsewhere? Europe and China have done far better, and India has good plans, but noone has tackled any of the hard problems like transport and agriculture. By the way, I'm mostly from Denmark where renewables and energy efficiency and reduction of pollution are seen as obviously sensible to everyone, regardless of political proclivities. They, and others in that part of the world, aren't wasting much time on bickering but instead treat this as an engineering problem of technology, infrastructure and society. This has already yielded huge savings as well as hugely rewarding investments. It's really a win-win cause to install new, cleaner and cheaper energy sources to replace old and dirty and breaking down power plants. If saving money and getting cleaner energy is some sort of con job, then we should all be thus conned.

thejuicemedia

Rod, nobody has deleted your comment. Patreon shows a "post deleted" message when a comment is removed. There is so no such message. So maybe you didn't post it correctly - either way, I have not deleted anything

thejuicemedia

"it's surprising to me that he buys into the government propaganda regarding anthropogenic global warming" -- Rod, I'm not buying into government propganda. I'm "buying into" what 97% of climate scientists are saying. I listen to scientists.

thejuicemedia

Please note: this comment section isn't here for people to enter into debates with other Patrons. If you have a problem with the video, please write me a private message or post on social media - but please don't start debating here, this isn't what this forum is for. Thank you for your understanding. G

t2c

u took the words right out of my mouth :)

thejuicemedia

That's nice to know Ashiya! Thanks for your support :)