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sal's probably after all this time still a little put out she has to refer to somebody as 'amazi-girl'

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Joeblow

So much smolder

Megh

Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!

Logibear

Love how quick Sal is at picking up on vibes.

Ria

Fuuuuuuuck I kinda ship em 😬

WT Harmon

Yeah, that HAS to bug Sal. Like, she's probably working out if she can get away with shortening it to Mazi and not sound silly. Being cool seems hard.

Ali Youngman

I really hope this gives us more closure with the whole cop drama at the end of Book 10. That could have been the start of a spin off series!

Heatth

I am curious what either of them had to pay to get the doctors help. I mean. I am really getting nervous getting a "favor" from a (probable) mob doctor. Like, even if Asher is on the level, that just transfer the problem to him. Maybe they discussed money already and it is "just" that, but still. Not knowing makes me anxious.

Railway Series Book Club

tbh i'm surprised sal hasn't come up with some sort of nickname for amazi-girl, you'd think she'd have something to throw out there with all the other nicknames she's thrown around for other characters (i'm very much of the opinion that it'd be really cute if she took on some sort of cutesy nickname when she's fronting but off the clock, like Mazi (as in Maisie) or something)

William Lewis

It's like having once been in the Military Intelligence. Even at the lowest level you never quite retire...

Giant Speck

I hope the other shoe drops with Asher soon.

HenryVolt

He's really trying to convince himself first and foremost, doesn't matter because the real hurdle is always if the family let's you leave.

Vivian

You can be debriefed, but it's very difficult to be fully unbriefed

Ben Wray

"You're a criminal and you'll always be a criminal! But thank you for using your criminal connections to assist my criminal vigilante friend with whom I have done criminal vigilante deeds."

Simon Magid

I really don't think you are alone. o.o

Kelly (they-them)

*Amber groans as she hobbles off the table* Sal: Actually, Ah'll grab yer stuff

Heatth

Even that just shift the problem. We don't know the details, but Asher has a complicated relationship with 'gramps', who is "disappointed" for some reason or another. If he hears Asher is using his name to gain favors there might still be consequences.

Kelly (they-them)

As if you can really leave a crime family. I don't actually know anything about crime families, but I assume they're hard to leave. Non crime families are hard enough to leave

tifani

Sal’s thoughts exactly

Heatth

I agree. I think she just uses "Amber" for simplicity sake (like in the Derby team) but yeah, it would be cute to have a separate "civilian name".

Megh

Potential AG nicknames: "Amber, But With Her Shit Together" "Amber, But Actually Still Not Really With Her Shit Together" "Not Amber" "AG-atha" For a real nickname that I think might work I feel like Amelia would fit her. Mazi of course is also good

Girlycore

Yeah, nuance is for losers.

Sajuuk-Khar

I mean, I feel like this has to cost someone, yeah, but Asher looks genuinely hurt. I feel bad for the guy, cause even if he *is* still in deep I don’t think he wants to be.

Girlycore

Just take your briefs off, how hard can that be?

Sajuuk-Khar

Given that Asher is at least still involved enough to help with the Blaine situation AND now he’s admitting to “important factors”, I don’t know about Gramps aiming those consequences at Asher. I feel like Grandpa Park is kinda like Gus Fring in that if you’re in the inner circle of value, the people he gives a shit about, you get some leeway, especially as long as you’re not fucking things up on a strategic level. Sal and AG, though? And maybe Ethan? Are in danger.

Maude Reads Things

Aaaaaahhhhh I NEED to see more of Sal and Asher interacting. god I am DYING here

Heatth

That is my impression as well. Pretty much everything we see about Asher ever since the timeskip (and arguably before) indicates he just wants to be on the level. But a decent person with normal relationships and a normal life. And, of course, the more this is reinforced the more I feel the shoe will drop somehow. And the nicer Asher is, the more this will hurt him.

Heatth

Blaine was able to threaten Asher by leveraging his fear of *further* disappointing Gramps. The fact this is a fear Asher has is what makes me worry for him in this regard. But, yeah, if the consequences don't fall on Asher it will likely falls into somebody else. I just don't trust a free gift from the mob.

GundamBradley

I have said before that Sal gets more than a little of her self-righteousness from her mother, but I mean, I'm with her on thinking that Asher isn't as out as he'd like to present himself as. I also note his observing what he likely (correctly) assumed was elements of Amazi-Girl's costume in Amber's room, though it remains to be seen what he might wish to do with that information. I do at least believe him in his distaste for the riot police sicced on the protest. I would also not be surprised if he didn't hold a whole lot of affection for even the cops on his grandpa's payroll.

Jesse

If she’s a dissociative identity, her friends could just call her Amy or something for short.

Heatth

Btw, nobody knows Asher was involved with Blaine right? Neither that he helped the kidnapping nor that commissioned the murder. That will be interesting when Amber/Amazi-Girl find out.

Smoochie

Question for the fellow trash goblins, the sickos, the paladins—was it ever confirmed or denied that Sal and Asher had relationship history?

Megh

I don't think it was confirmed confirmed, but very strongly implied, although to what degree they had a thing is less clear

Smoochie

Ah okay—I was wondering if Sal knows enough or has been close enough with Asher that her silent inferral is, “You say that, but your family will say different.”

Megh

I mean tbf I think that's what she's implying regardless of if she was ever close enough to know that for certain

Megh

Ya know now that I've thrown it out there and it's had some time to sit in my mind, I actually really like Amelia If she ever picks a civilian name I hope that's it

Tessea

Am I reading too much into this or did something set off Sal's spidey-sense? I'm going to have to re-read Asher's previous scenes.

Noelle Eve Palmer

sal bringing a "redemption isn't real" energy to the potluck to take some of the heat off of rachel, I see

Jay

Literally the only time asher has shown any connection to his family still was him getting the psychopath murdered AFTER HE WAS BLACKMAILED

Irene Knapp

huh. yeah, okay. I think more highly of Asher, he shows us quite a bit of who he is in this one. I'd been on the fence. neat!

SkittleE

My dumb ass misread "Asher was involved with Blaine" as romantic, and for a brief moment was completely uncritically like "They were WHAT"

Maude Reads Things

I don't think not believing a specific person has changed equals a belief nobody can ever change. Sal very clearly thinks she's changed and that Amber has from stalking her in a parking lot.

Maude Reads Things

Walky said that she and Asher had 'as much of a thing as you can have in middle school;

Maude Reads Things

His grandfather was disappointed in Asher because he doesn't want to go into the family business. Blaine threatened to expose Asher stealing some of his grandfather's money to afford school. It is very good for Asher that that wasn't exposed because there is a decent chance that that would end with Asher dead in a ditch somewhere.

Albi

True, but has the crime family left *him*?

Sajuuk-Khar

Heatth: Oh, yeah, I remember that, and that’s a good point. I feel like Asher was 90% correct that Blaine had nothing on him, but he couldn’t chance the 10% because you can’t become a liability, that’s the golden rule of being in organized crime. BBCC: I would be surprised if Gramps didn’t already know Asher took the money, I feel like that’s an unspoken indulgence to his grandson. But…Blaine airing that dirty laundry would’ve forced the old man’s hand one way or the other, so it’s best for Asher, and everyone, that Blaine went quiet forever. (Guy probably wasn’t an earner, anyway.)

Sajuuk-Khar

god I’m eager to meet Gramps, I hope to see a really class Breaking Bad-style villain outta him Like, I keep imagining AG bargaining for him to leave the campus alone, Gramps leverages it into continuing to owe him favors, and Asher’s just like, once AG leaves, “you never intended to do business on campus. You never did.” “Strategy, my dear boy. It’s how you build empires.”

Lisa

I thought it was also implied that Asher pulled the fire alarm that got everyone out of the dorms and vulnerable on the night of the kidnapping.

Onyx

Sal is still one of my most fav characters And oof, she's got Asher's number (and I don't mean phone)

Anna K

I think the very fact that Asher is able to hook Sal up with a mob doctor on short notice implies a level of still being close to the crime family.

Anna K

Mazi, pronounced like "Maisie", for aMazi-girl?

Pangab

That’s what he was blackmailed into doing

Shane Wegner

I was thinking about it, and all fighting the cops really accomplishes is them requesting, and receiving larger budgets for more military hardware and personnel next year. Although, she helped a lot of people escape who wouldn’t have, and would have had to eat jail foods all touching each other instead of having hot make-outs.

Shane Wegner

It’s a popular dish! Still, having a big knife wound through one’s hand as a direct result of someone selling you out to the cops after persuading you to do the crime in question probably reduces patience. Yet also- “What have ya done for me lately?!” “I just helped save your apparent friend’s life!” (Incidentally, the one who literally did the hand stabbing.)

Shane Wegner

I think them both being 13ish at the time stops people from thinking about it very hard.

Smoochie

That is—-very valid.

Beck Chonigman

I mean he's definitely TRYING while DENYING. (I'm so sorry sweetie, but ya haven't gotten rid of all the hooks).

Seth Aaron Hershman has they/she pronouns

well. for immediate results, she didn't JUST save joyce and dorothy. she saved lots of folks with good reasons for being there. so that's good going forward: cops are, frankly, fucking cowards, and so even with increasing militarization hopefully she made them more reluctant to do their jobs next time a protest happens. but that's a best case scenario

zee

Eh, I love Asher and wish commenters would give him more of a chance, but you don't have to forgive someone who ruined your life either. She's allowed to be weary

Harold

She almost revealed that she was actually Amber and not A-G, because she was already grabbing her stuff. See, because Amber's always... ah, never mind. (DISCLAIMER: This was just a cheap joke. Amber is likely in too much pain to think about grabbing her stuff. On second thought, this *is* Amber we're talking about, so...)

Sajuuk-Khar

Was that his deal? Damn! Motherfucker was a LOUD accountant, like, yeah it’s always good to have money on hand but this dude cannot stay in his lane

5099 5618 v2.0

@zee My $0.02: forgiveness and redemption are two entirely different things. Parallel pathways. Redemption is what you do to set things/yourself right once you realize you've done wrong and want to change. Forgiveness is what people who have been wronged have the option to give people who have harmed them, if they decide to do so. Redemption reaches its end state when you have done everything a reasonable person can think to do to make things right, and have not done the wrong-thing since starting on the path. TL;DR: redemption does not require forgiveness, and seeking forgiveness can derail the pursuit of redemption. Plenty of people seeking redemption are never forgiven for what they've done, but the action taken to move towards redemption is still worthwhile. Then again, others have other ideas. That's just what I've noticed. (/Bow) (/bamf)

Maude Reads Things

Blaine had a construction company as a front for money laundering so he'd either need some accounting skill or have someone with those skills to keep the money straight. @ Sajuuk - Yeah, that is a question. It'd be hard for him not to realize that level of money is missing but he may not be saying anything if it's for his grandson to go to school. Now if it gets public he stole the money well....again, decent chance that ends with Asher dead in a ditch.

Shane Wegner

So in this thesis, using violence to cause fear is both the cause of, and solution to, fascism?

Sajuuk-Khar

I think I figured it was Yuri running the numbers, but it could totally have been Blaine! It’s just…well, Blaine is a real Walter White-ass bongo, y’know Pride, ego, constantly having to show off his power in public (Also why did I think Yuri was Yukio)

Shane Wegner

“And it will work in Bulmeria too! Buy our tools of peace!” -the weapons sellers they were protesting against