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if you sit on them for too long, they become... (to quote John Dorian) ... "the stranger"

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C

Not what I expected, but I am curious as to how this conversation will go.

Morgan Byrd

I still don’t believe her.

Omnithea

Raidah would only ever do good things with power and have I got a bridge to sell ya.

Andrea Andrew

🎶 Why were you so surprised That you never saw the stranger? Did you ever let your lover see The stranger in yourself? 🎶

Andrea Andrew

So Raidah…has noble intentions?!

Sajuuk-Khar

Raidah, your one move is being The Worst Person We Know Who Just Made A Great Point. It’s getting really old, babe. I like you as a villainess but you need new material. Go fuck Billie in a toxic way and get back to me. 0/10.

jafortee

Dina’s going to go ballistic thinking about sitting on those fucking hands

Logibear

"Sarah, instead of enjoying his company, you should be actioning societal change through the barrel of his dick" "...what?" "You heard me, you need to up your head game Sarah. Suck his hog raw for the future of the faculty"

Kazo

Whatever, Elena Ceaușescu

5099 5618 v2.0

"So, you want to use my boyfriend? Or your hands *on* my boyfriend? "Y'know, this actually isn't the most heavy-handed proposition I've received, today. Or in this room."

Harold

Broken clock theory strikes again

5099 5618 v2.0

@Logibear S: "Formidable tho it may be (and I *could* go on)..."

Sajuuk-Khar

She’s claiming noble intentions because she’s saying factual things, which while it amplifies her case doesn’t really outweigh the mountain of Raidah’s past shitty behavior

Sajuuk-Khar

You shouldn’t! The idea that she came in here to vibe check if Sarah has done a virtuous breakup yet is a hilariously transparent lie! She hates Sarah and wants to bully her, she just is talented at devising reasons to. And the reasons are unfortunately based in hard facts.

5099 5618 v2.0

@S-K Kinda reminds me of Carrie's mom in the Mike Flanagan series. At least in the first half of the season.

Sajuuk-Khar

“Give him the beej of his life and then withhold all future succ until divestment.”

Corronchilejano

If we're using our "Raidah calculators", she wins no matter what happens next because she either made Sarah feel guilty and do nothing, angry and do nothing, or she pushes her to do something without putting herself on any line.

JMat

Is it crazy that, the longer it goes on, the more I see in common between Raidah and Dorothy?

Sajuuk-Khar

Also to clarify I think Raidah believes fully she has noble intentions both all the time and here, and I can see why she might believe the all the time thing but in this specific case it’s completely baloney.

Harold

@Sajuuk-Khar: LysiSarah

Packy Anderson

No, Raidah, you wouldn't. You would be thinking of an endgame further in the future, and you wouldn't want to "waste" that influence on something like this because it would screw you later.

darklion

I disagree with the general concept of trying to leverage a romantic partner for political reasons. Unless you have an explicit agreement to be a power couple, that's a boundary that shouldn't be crossed.

I Know Why the Mowed Lawn Screams

i don’t think raidah wanting social/political capital so she could use said capital to fight back against the systems that have dehumanized and fucked her over is an uninteresting angle to go for (i.e going low because taking the high road hasn’t yielded any significant progress*). but raidah’s active distaste for tony does feel a little incongruent with her past encounters with him (both in-comic and implied). Was fully expecting the big “peek behind the abrasive mask” moment would be more rooted in how it felt like every relationship raidah was genuinely invested in pre-timeskip (dana, jacob, even sarah imo) ended up exploding in her face (thus, post-timeskip raidah viewing every person that could possibly form a genuine relationship with her as either an asset or an enemy), but idk. even if this is not gelling quite right with me atm i do want to see what happens next. *this is a hyperbolic simplification of something that is a little hard to express atm, but i do want to clarify that what I mean by "significant progress" is the ability to self-determine and advocate for one's personhood when occupying the position of a social minority without condescension and dismissal from the peoples in positions of social privilege, even from the [non-minority] peoples who claim allyship.

C.T. Phipps

Raidah, the Dean is not going to care if his son is unhappy with him being evil. But yes, Raidah always is trying to help people for "evil" reasons like getting Robin and Leslie out of jail.

Paul Moffat

More like sitting on*his* hands

Beck Chonigman

"I would date someone in order to use them for their connections to enact positive change, which makes me morally superior to you." Is definitely a thing Raidah just straight up admitted.

KiasyonSFM

Oh please, Raidah would be in charge of the cops arresting people as evidence by how she just accosted Dina.

DramaQueen

She seems to be big on convincing kids to get their parents upset with them, getting disowned, or cutting ties. Look at Walky and Carla, now. They can’t really do anything but have to drop out of school.

GundamBradley

Ah, so there's the rub. On one hand, yes, the dean is doing something terrible, and it'd be good if his son could get through to him, but I also feel like exerting active pressure to try to make that happen could backfire. That's also assuming his son could even sway the dean.

I Know Why the Mowed Lawn Screams

ok chewed on this more and figured out what was bugging me; I DO think that her motivations make internal sense and can bring some interesting storytelling potential, but i'm struggling to see how revealing this information in this strip meaningfully builds upon her dynamic with Sarah Once again, we don't know how sarah is going to react and it's a little bit of a fool's errand to point to one comic strip in a serialized narrative as the end-all-be-all, but idk !!! her relationship with sarah hasn't meaningfully evolved past the antagonistic standstill they've had since the beginning of the comic and I want to see some big shakeups to happen, and i'm struggling to see how "raidah tells sarah she's a chickenshit bootlicker" does that when we've already established that sarah does not hold raidah's opinion of her in any high esteem.

DramaQueen

She is secretly just trying to break them up.

Katrina Marie Paton

No points for actually apologising Raidah, go straight to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

VengeanceKnight

Kinda makes me think back to the point where she torpedoed Dorothy’s dreams of becoming President with a single question. Maybe she was talking from experience more than she let on…

DramaQueen

Anyone feeling guilty due to her needling is alienating the targets of their attempted manipulation.

Katrina Marie Paton

I just want it to be clear the heart was for the idea of her fucking Billie and getting back to us, nothing more.

Ragtime

It's too many assumptions, 1. That a hypothetical paramore of Tony could leverage sex/ romance for a right-centre flip to left. 2. That a flipped Tony could hypothetically flip his father. 3. That Dean McHenry can even do anything about it.

Shane Wegner

Raidah has to settle for the scraps of influence "scold the girlfriend of the son of a Dean, into causing change". "I did my part!" Raidah has her Influential Lunch Cronies club and De Santo maybe owes her a favor, how has she leveraged that influence into action? "No, only Sarah has enough power to cause the change I want."

Simon Magid

Oh yeah, Raidah, for attacking or manipulating those in power through their children always works out so well. I mean, just ask Carla.

Jim Farmer

My wife just said "I think that we have a new picture for the 'the worst person you know just made a good point' meme."

Jim Farmer

Except I don't think she's checking to see if Sarah has done a virtuous breakup...I think she's checking to see if Sarah is willing to exercise her influence. Which can absolutely be done without a breakup (or threat thereof), as we saw when she actually got him to think about a few of the things his dad was doing. Of course, he immediately rationalized it away, but he thought first. And that's a step.

T Campbell

Dorothy has always used what power she has to help people. When Walky was struggling in school and he pointed out that she couldn't help him AND keep on top of all her own academic ambitions, she chose to help him. I honestly wish she had a bit more of Raidah's ruthlessness: she frequently ties her own hands by trying to find a morally pure path--see her recent Amazi-Girl outing for a good example. And that leaves the field of influence to people who at best DABBLE in compassion for others, like Raidah. I'll concede her upset over Dina's feelings seems genuine, but do remember how that conversation began, with Raidah rules-lawyering over whether someone can stand on a machine and not bother anybody. Dorothy, even if she didn't know that person personally, would just have used the other machine and said no more about it.

Avian

And even if she did she would still be operating on the axiom of "I can change the system from within", which...is what 'good' cops think.

Shane Wegner

"Tell Sarah to be the change you want to see in the world." -Ghandi

T Campbell

I feel like I'm supposed to be siding with Raidah here, but the hypocrisy just enrages me. When she confronts Dorothy, she rants that Dorothy's quest for excellence is EVIL because ALL PRESIDENTS ARE WAR CRIMINALS, how DARE you DESIRE INFLUENCE, you FUTURE MURDERER. She could have used this whole "the point of having influence..." speech to build Dorothy up, but Dorothy had influence over Walky and that's something Raidah wanted for herself, so better destroy her instead. Now she's turning the moralistic hammer onto Sarah because she wants that influence over Tony for herself, and it's got a decent shot of "working" because there really is a crack in the Tony-Sarah relationship due to their different backgrounds. I say "working" in quotes because I honestly think Sarah would get where Raidah's trying to guide her on her own, but now Raidah gets to claim credit for it. (I've used the "asshole has a point" device often enough that I feel a little bad complaining about it, and Raidah has a genuine point this time instead of a labored promotion of moral cowardice. But still, does the asshole in "asshole has a point" have to be quite THIS much of an asshole?)

Ouri Maler

Raidah, so far, your record of using influence was convincing the most decent and competent person on campus to not get political power she would have used for good.

Beck Chonigman

I mean, to an extent, you do need to work with people on the inside. But those people need to be whistle-blowers. And considering how cops don't like being held accountable, especially by other cops, they'd have to NOT be found out. But she probably IS the type to think she can make the change happen on her own via only well planned connections instead of building an actual community both inside AND outside the system.

T Campbell

And to be clear, it's not fair to put this on Tony, who is just trying to get through the school year and enjoy some time with a girlfriend he actually respects. I'm just saying some kind of political argument between them was probably already brewing before Raidah came in to stir the pot.

Empress of Robots

Okay but what if Raidah dated Sarah so she could use Sarah’s bf’s dad?

Tessea

Not exactly the best reason to be in a relationship with someone, Raidah....

Tessea

Raidah may have some semblance of good intentions, but her methodology is all about manipulation and exploitation. It's not why you should be in a relationship with someone.

Tessea

I don't think it's Sarah's place to push/guilt Tony into confronting his father. Raidah may have a worthy endgame in mind, but her approach is all about exploitation and manipulation.

Tessea

Look up the strip 'challenged' from July 26 07. The fact that Raidah's 'apology' was 'IF I ever condescended...' doesn't strike me as genuine. More of an 'I can't be bothered to remember who this kid is, but I gotta cover my ass in case people are watching'

Tessea

In general I think she does. But considering her approach to everyone and everything is emotional manipulation in one form or another, like what she's doing to Sarah right now in order to convince Sarah to behave in the same shitty way to her boyfriend.

Inquiring Raven

Every villain believes themselves to be the main character. No one thinks they are the bad guy.

thejeff

This is the first time that we've even seen her claim that her focus on social connections to gain influence is for noble reasons rather than just power for power's sake. It's an interesting development. I'm not yet convinced, since she's well established as manipulative and not exactly honest, but we'll see where it goes.

Andrea Andrew

I’d be more convinced if she wasn’t consistently acting like a conservative. Republicans are the ones seeking connections for power and wealth. She actively pursues people for those reasons. Republicans are ableist towards neurodivergent people. Look at how she treats Dina.

Mark

Oh, don't make me agree with Raidah...

Jim Farmer

I don't disagree, but here's the thing: Sarah is too straightforward (and Tony is too anti-BS) for her to even try to guilt him into it. I think she would/should have a straightforward conversation with him about what his father's actions mean, and about the leverage HE has with his father that could be helping people. That would be a very Sarah way to handle it.

C.T. Phipps

I am 100% behind Raidah actually getting Dorothy to examine her rose tinted view of politics. Sadly, Dorothy took it like a punch in the face.

Avian

Yes, you have a much more nuanced take on this than me! Exactly that though, her method is CLOSE, but still flawed

JMat

I think Raidah and Dorothy are both focused on helping others, but Raidah is overcompensating for the lack of privilege that she knows she has by being extra ruthless now, so that she can potentially help many more people in the future.

Maude Reads Things

Ah yes, because Tony can totally force change through virtue of....being related to the guy in charge? Puh-LEESE, college authorities would laugh him out of the room like the little boy he'd be acting like if he tried. And that's a totally reasonable thing to think Sarah can make him do after dating him for less than a week. Wanting to be the President and have actual authority though, THAT'S a bridge too far. Raidah does not want power. She wants to endlessly critique - oh, I mean INFLUENCE - power.

Kelly (they-them)

Fuxk me, I missed this one. I blame the Patreon app!

Kelly (they-them)

Yeah, definitely. The man who would do such a thing could be talked out of it by his 20 year old son and his girlfriend. You're right, Raidah.