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2023-06-10 03:55:01
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Shane Wegner

A lot atheists I know do have a pretty thorough understanding of the Bible. It’s quite possible to read it and know what’s in there (contradictions, implausibilities, war crimes and all) yet not reach the conclusion that it’s the actual inerrant, prophetic word of a magical spirit watching over and controlling us all. Joyce memorizing the Bible is more info to suggest she’s neuroatypical, not evidence that she will believe it forever.

Shane Wegner

As for this “no you’re not” defense/offense, I think a broken record response might be a good way to go. “Yes I am” “Yes, I am” “But I am though” “I actually am” “I didn’t stutter” “I’m saying it because it is indeed what I believe” “You saying I don’t believe it isn’t going to change the the fact that I do indeed believe it”.

Bagge

Ouch. I can REALLY see where John got it from

joe mcguire

It can be very invalidating when a parent tells you how you feel or don’t feel. If you’re anything like me, you might assume they know better than you do and then wonder what the hell is wrong with you. Then therapy might help you understand that your feelings are real and not a trick and regardless of what they are or if they’re based on logic, they exist and are valid, and that your parent might be trying to protect their own feelings when they tell you to disregard your own. And this might lead to a better understanding of yourself and your parent and improve your relationship in very real ways but you never forget how you felt when they invalidated you even if you have forgiven them. Nor should you. Here’s hoping something like that happens for Joyce and she doesn’t have to cut off her mother completely. But if she does that would also be valid.

T Campbell

There's a time and a place to roll your eyes and tell your kids, "No you're not, you might think that right now, but believe me, you're not." That time is when they're, like, five and telling you they're gonna get emancipated because you won't let them have a third cookie and they really should have taken that nap. There are some other situations where this might apply. One of the few advantages to getting older is that you can see the patterns of younger lives more clearly. But this wisdom becomes denial when what you're ignoring is changes in your kids' BASELINE attitudes, confusing that with some crap they picked up a few days ago and will abandon in a few more. Once they move out, for college or whatever, you no longer have a day-to-day baseline to observe. But by then, they're adults, or close enough that they aren't so inconstant, anyway. Rather than believe her daughter's Hellbound, Carol chooses to see her as still a child who'll revert back to her sweet churchy self once the shock of recent events passes. It's (sigh) honestly probably the best we could've expected from her.

T Campbell
>>110416884

That's not going to work right now. To Carol, that'd just make her look like the little girl that Carol still likes to think she is. "I am an atheist, I am I am I am!" (stamps foot) Convincing Carol she's changed may be an unattainable goal today. But it isn't nearly as important as asserting herself, anyway.

Jasmijn Wellner
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Joyce's journey that we've been witness to is straight up impossible in Carol's mind. Accepting that it is even possible for Joyce to become an atheist after memorizing the bible is something that would require a fundamental shift in her worldview, something that she's clearly unwilling to be open to.

Mark Thompson

Gee, gaslighting and walking away. The hallmark of a "great" parent...

Lenny Mosco

The cold indifference and blunt denial is far more painful than a shouting match.

Preventer Wind

I had this same conversation with my mother once, just swap atheist for agnostic. Of course, it was the morning after If told her the night before that I wasn’t Christian any more, and I’d been so worried building up to say it that she thought I was coming out as gay.

Justin Seifert

If anyone is confused, it is the woman willing to sell her house to save the building for a church that paid the bail for a man that lead to her daughter almost getting killed.