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🖖Star Trek TNG S07E12-13 Full Length Reaction (Patreon)

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2025-08-01 20:00:39
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S07E12 The Pegasus S07E13 HomewardThis week we have 2 TNG (back to 1 DS9 1 TNG next week)! These eps left me questioning the Treaty with the Roumlans (re: cloaking technology!) and also the Prime Directive! Curious to hear your thoughts as always! Engage! đŸ––** See THIS COLLECTION for episodes posted in airdate order!** We're following this watch order: STAR TREK EPISODE GUIDE BY AIRDATEDirect link*Note: You can change the quality of the video by clicking the settings icon (little cog) and making it a higher resolution!*

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Ian

These early uploads always take me by surprise 😀 shall save these until tomorrow and enjoy with drinks and snacks , make it so 🖖 gotta treasure every episode cuz we are fast approaching the end eeek

Summer

So good to see you!

Laura Thornley

The Pegasus is one of the best episodes of TNG. Season seven might not be my favourite (that's probably season five), but its got some incredible episodes.

Joel

I think we have all been collectively waiting for you to get to Pegasus, Jen. A lot of us had the same questions about the Federation and cloaking tech, I think they made this episode specifically to answer them

Geoff S.

I sort of think that most of the Prime Directive is a bunch of shit in a lot of cases.

Kyrie

"You can't handle the truth!" Good luck with next weeks episode, Jen. It's commonly known as the worst tng episode.

Damon Corrigan

Two of my favorite episodes in an early drop! I love it. The Pegasus - I like this episode for a number of reasons - Picard and Riker's relationship gets a little bumpy, cloaking devices, add some freakin Romulans to the mix. Makes for a good one. The treaty may tie the federations hands, but it is a treaty that has preserved the peace for a long time. I always think about what the federation higher ups said to the Romulan government about the cloaking device that was created, and what compromises were made to smooth it over. How many heads rolled? Crazy to think about. Homeward - Worf has a brother!? How about that. Prime directive trickery, I know. It does make you think though - it makes me think the Prime Directive was put in place to prosecute people for interfering, but interfering either usually results in massive amounts of death or massive amounts of people continuing to live. Either way, the situation just simply cannot be fixed without more interference which everyone is happy to stay away from. There are no easy answers or at least no one-size fits all answers for either of the conflicts in these episodes. Isn't it great? If Picard were the kind of captain to save the Boralens, he probably wouldn't be captain. Starfleet needs many types of personalities (Remember Jellico in Chain of Command? Or Maxwell in The Wounded) and all of them probably have their way of dealing with things.

Bobby Coolbreeze

Yes that is Michael Dorn with just a nose prosthetic to appear as the natives on this planet. He was on ChiPs as a supporting character in the 70’s where you could see him without makeup. His Brother is Paul Sorvino who is best known for playing the Mob Boss Paulie in Goodfellas and father to actress Mira Sorvino. He has since passed. Good episode to explore Worf family life on earth. If you remember we met his human Foster Parents in the episode family after the Borg 2 parter Best of Both worlds.

William Rosmer

picard was duty bound to arrest the admiral. you can't really get out of a crime by outranking the person who catches you. especially since picard had the ship decloak in front of the romulans. as to the whole prime directive thing. it exists for a reason. even on earth a more advanced society interacting with a less advanced one has usually had very very bad results.

Banes

Pegasus is really good! Showing us again how Ronald D. Moore is the best Trek writer. It's a believable look at a new side of Riker. Who'd have thought we'd see Picard and Riker at odds with each other like this? Awesome!

RSK1995

Showrunners had to create a scenario where the Federation doesn’t allow cloaking technology I’m grateful for that otherwise we wouldn’t have a show because very few would tune in to watch an invisible Enterprise.

Kristin

I think Jen should watch Battlestar Galactica at some point, to experience the full scope of Moore's creativity.

RSK1995

I hope one day she'll react to BSG

William Rosmer

he (along with a lot of other star trek alums) was also in a couple of episodes of heroes without the makeup

Jeremy Nuss

Jen got me thinking pretty deep about the Prime Directive... In a culture facing extinction, such as in Homeward, it seems to me, non-interference would violate Federation principles. Which would supersede any text in the Prime Directive that may have otherwise prevented intervention. Practically speaking, the species is facing a natural disaster and they know they are going to die. A spaceship shows up and aliens offer to save you. Where is the harm? For some reason, Loki season 1 keeps crossing my mind...

Sean Ellingham

The Prime Directive is an interesting ethical device. For civilisations that are at an equivalent technological level to the Federation, it basically just means don't force your beliefs on others - which is in general a good stance to take. With regard to pre-warp civilisations, the intent is to allow them to progress as they naturally would, as if you didn't exist. On balance, I feel it's a good idea, but as a natural consequence of what it prescribes it's not necessarily always going to feel right. There's a quote from another show (which I'm sure was probably taken from something else before that) which I think applies here: "Principles aren't principles if we pick and choose when to follow them". The idea of saving a pre-warp civilisation like in this episode might be noble in the abstract, but it can quickly become fraught with complications. How do you decide who to save, and who not to save? What if you manage to save the people, but in the process destroy most of their culture? Have you truly saved them if there is nothing left of what made them them? What obligations do you have to those you did save?

Bobby Coolbreeze

The Prime Directive is always a controversial subject. Imagine if aliens with fantastic technology visited us 200 years ago. Those people wouldn’t understand and would be afraid. And then if the aliens gave us or shared their technology with us, It would be a dangerous thing to do! They would alter our natural destiny. The most powerful thing in this episode was the guy committing suicide cause he could not find a way to deal with his situation! Everything he knew is gone and his whole world and faith was shattered!

Geoff S.

I think there is a worse one later this season.

Clay F

The Pegasus -- Yet another TNG episode with an insane admiral. Agree with your focus on the Picard/Riker dynamic -- the most interesting aspect of the episode to me. I thought a good Riker episode and liked the Riker/Picard dynamic, and think the cloaking technology issue is interesting.

Clay F

The genius Ronald D. Moore also did great with the Starz "Outlander" TV show series (7 seasons).

Robert da Spruce

I didn’t get the feeling they were trying to portray Picard and the others the “good” guys by following the Prime Directive. I think they tried to show both sides On one hand, what right do we have to alter the destiny of a civilization. Effectively playing God with another culture. On the other hand, these aren’t just abstract ideas. But actual lives at stake. It’s a very gray area. And I don’t think it’s a “one size fits all” rule. Yes, their civilization will go on. But Worf’s brother will be their leader. His knowledge alone will have unforeseen consequences on the way their society moves forward. Their society won’t progress the same way because of what he knows. And the decisions he will make on their behalf. It’s tough. And can be debated at great length. I think that’s part of the beauty of the Star Trek universe though

Anthony Hernandez

The out of character reason the federation doesn’t have cloaking technology is that Gene Roddenberry didn’t want future evolved humans to go sneaking around the galaxy. For the in universe reason, I believe that if you look at a map of the federation and romulan empire, the federation is much larger and mostly surrounds the Romulan empire, so the federation not having cloaking technology allows the balance of power to be more equal.

rubberkidney

you can really feel the micheal dorn in this episode.

Julian San

Can’t believe people just straight up said it was a treaty instead of just saying it’ll be explained in an episode. So stay tuned lol

rubberkidney

after seinfeld you should start watching foundation. its great i know youll love it.

Summer

In two weeks one of my fave season 7 episodes and both of the next two weeks of DS9 I really like

Preaching to the Horse's Mouth

Jonathan F has one of the most expresive faces, it's kinda bonkers. We often think of his big beaming smile or cheeky grins but he can absolutely completely sell all the other tension etc as well. Dude can tell stories with his face. I also really enjoy how that sort of thing, the unspoken dialogue is kinda a theme this episode, showing up again in the communication with the Romulan commander. Straight up banger of an episode. Also I was very much looking forward to seeing how you would react to being kept in the dark for so long before the secret came out. Didn't disappoint. I remember just being completely mind-blown at the sight of the Enterprise being inside the asteroid đŸ€Ż A lot folks will say S7 is a little weaker and fair enough. Much like S1 and S2 there is probably a few more meh episodes in this one, but some of my favourites are here too. This and Gambit 1&2 are definitely among my top tier, certainly amongst the more dramatic ones. No shade at Homeward either. I didn't have as clear a recollection on this one, I enjoyed the Worf stuff more than I thought I would.

Brett Whittaker

I love the Pegasus it’s one of my favourite episodes.

Ian

Actually quite a few people posted spoilers telling Jen exactly which episode things will be revealed which wasn't cool and wasn't appreciated

Ian

Two really good episodes,always great seeing Terry Ăł Quinn making a guest appearance know him from lost and Hawaii five o ofc as well as lots of other stuff he's great . the prime direct is always a grey area , I couldn't just watch a species die in front of me and do nothing I just couldn't. If Beverly had beamed to the planet would In such a scenario Picard let bev just die with them just because of the so called prime directive đŸ€” we all have our opinions ofc some of us are willing to bend the rules sometimes some of us are not I guess . Anyways new month so don't forget to add your monthly requests to the request site Jenmurrayxo.com and upvote the ones you're interested in

Kane Is Able

I've started to really hate Star Trek fans while watching these reactions on multiple channels. Too many people are too egotistical and think they have a right to spoil key plot points and future episodes. Then, when you try to point it out, theyget defensive and refuse to remove their spoiler post, again, mostly out of ego. I don't think I saw the exact spoilers you're talking about.

Kane Is Able

"It's not a very big opening." THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!

Kane Is Able

Just let her get there. Why do we always feel it necessary to spoil anything?

Kane Is Able

You forgot "The Pegasus" also gave us Captain Picard Day.

Kane Is Able

Stop adding the letter U to everything.

Kane Is Able

No Jen, the Pegasus episode is the first time the treaty is mentioned. Ronald Moore finally decided they needed to explain why the Federation didn't pursue cloaking technology. Anyone telling you about the treaty was spoiling the episode.

Matt Poppell

Great job spoiling things for her. I really don’t understand this need to jump the gun and give Jen information instead of just letting her enjoy it.

Ian

It's mostly in the YouTube comments , here on patreon people are generally good at not spoiling things for Jen , yes it happens sometimes but for the most part it's just YouTube

Sykonee

Geordie's parents, Troi's unknown sister, Data's 'mother', an earlier father figure for Riker, and now Worf's foster brother. Yep, this is definitely a season filled with Family Reveals. All that's left is one for Bev' Crusher. What was the next episode again? Oh.... oh!

TC Green

How many times has Jen said “The Federation needs cloaking devices” and those of us in the know how to bite out tongues. Well know you’re in the know too, Jen!

Desmond

You're totally right about this being the family season. Long lost (or just previously unseen) family members coming out of the woodwork for almost everyone.

Desmond

Also, I totally hear what you're saying about the Prime Directive. All I'll say is that these are never supposed to be easy situations, with easy answers; it's always a moral/ethical debate, where both sides have a valid point.

rubberkidney

to bad. its super good especially in season 2 and 3

Ronald Dumesnil

Every time Jen says "season 7"😭😭😭

TigerMyth

Inconsistency as usual with the PD. There are plenty of episodes where the Enterprise saved another planet. Heck, I think we had one not too long ago. They've also made contact with species without warp travel many times. Inconsistent PD. I wasn't a fan of this one. I think I've skipped it on rewatch.

Gregory Forster, Jr.

I remember going through a very tough time when this episode aired. I had just lost my job, my employer didn't want to pay unemployment, my daughter was just 6 months old, my wife was getting on my back. Adulting was not fun back then. I couldn't wait to get lost in an episode of TNG and DS9, along with reading the novels. I remember this one. Thank you.

phillip giroux

The Pegasus is one of my favourite episodes, one of the few with interpersonal conflicts among the crew are often the most interesting ones.

WinkNudgeNudge

The Prime Directive does feel like a grey area because humans make very emotional decisions. What if that was our planet that was about to have its atmosphere disappear, we'd want someone to save us. We see animals about to go extinct and so we save them. But those decisions aren't always great. Some conversation projects have actually had negative consequences. However in these cases it BECAUSE of us that they're going extinct so it's definitely easier to swallow. In another episode (I think of Voyager) it's argued that if you save that species and they grow up to be a super aggressive species, you've not only saved them but negatively affected other beings. That's the issue with making decisions like that.. you can never see far enough down the road to make sure that you don't make a wrong choice. Either way, standing by and watching an entire species be wiped out would be an excruciating decision.

TC Green

How many times has Jen said “The Federation needs cloaking devices” and those of us in the know how to bite out tongues. Well now you’re in the know too, Jen!

Anthony Hernandez

With regards to the prime directive in this episode, I agree Jen that this episode’s ethics seem out of character. There’s been instances in the past where Picard broke the prime directive because it was “the right thing to do” (Picard’s own quote from “A Matter of Time”). Every action we take, good or bad, can result in negative consequences as that is just how life is, so they might as well act within their own consciences and let the chips fall as they will. Also, the episode blames Nicholai for being irresponsible, but everything he does in this episode is pretty well thought out. I am on his side this episode, not on Picard’s. Not saving them because of something they might do to another culture in 500 years is similar to me not saving a child’s life who is drowning because they might turn out to be a murderer down the road.

TheADHDOverlord

The only thing I can't overlook in Homeward.... That No Security was posted at the Holodeck Door... it is such a forced issue and shows a serious oversight that we are not used to seeing from this crew.

AzureSolas

The Prime Directive has its basis in a universe where macroevolution(the changing of one species to another through natural selection), is the reality, and is the basis of moral decisions regarding the development of life and cultures. Because macroevolution is the force behind how life interacts with other life, and how life developers and grows, to interfere with that is to interfere with the natural order, which is generally agreed on as wrong. My value system is based on the belief that God is the creator of the universe and life, and is therefore the standard by which moral decisions are weighed by, and that would lead me to act as Nicolae did. But whatever you believe, I think it’s interesting to note that compassion and empathy are a part of what makes us who we are, and what drives us to help others. It seems to me that the Prime Directive is in contradiction to that aspect of our nature. Since Star Trek is very much a discussion of who we are, it’s interesting that where the Prime Directive is concerned, that aspect of our nature is suppressed rather than celebrated like it usually is In Star Trek.