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S03E15 Destiny S03E16 Prophet Motive

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This week we've got Prophecies, Prophets, and wormhole stuff, and some brand new Rules of Acquisition too! Engage! 🖖

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Rob Nichols

The Cardassian woman working with OB is played by Tracey Scoggins. I've seen her in a lot of movies and TV shows and I never really cared for her, but somehow the Cardassian make-up made her look a lot cuter.

jon bolton

You're good Jen. You wondered how Sisko and Kira felt about him being the Emissary just minutes before getting your answers. Do you have next weeks lottery numbers too?😋

Henchman Twenty1

One of the many things I like about this show is that they can have episodes like this that are non Starfleet focused for a change of pace. Don't get me wrong. I love the Starfleet eps, but it's good to see some of the other stuff that's going on now and then.

Kevin Sommerfield

Viz a viz the discussion about whether the wormhole aliens are gods or just beings that can see outside of time - one has to ask what is the difference? I suppose it has mostly to do with the motives you ascribe to them and how you feel about them.

jon bolton

Two more enjoyable episodes, and i look forward to next week for one of my favourites of the Season.

jon bolton

Weirdly I agree, despite the make up i seem to find a lot of Cardassian women attractive, and Klingons come to think of it lol.

Desmond

In Destiny, I love how O'Brien says that in a crunch, he wouldn't want to be caught without a 2nd backup, lol. Highlights the difference between Cardassian and Federation engineering philosophies, and tells us a little about O'Brien's character too.

Sykonee

I *do* remember watching 'Destiny' when it first aired, and felt it was a unique exploration of the ol' 'Science vs Religion' story the franchise loves dabbling in. For once a faith wasn't so easily dismissed as superstition to be scoffed at, and if the rest of DS9 was gonna' be like that, then maybe I should keep watching. Then 'Prophet Motive' aired after, and still not having gotten over the 'Ferengi Episodes Are Bad' notion, promptly stopped watching the show for a spell after. Which I do regret... (and I've come around to 'Prophet Motive', in that I rather get a kick out of 'Mirror Zek')

SirJohnCard

Prophet Motive: The return of the Self-sealing stem bolts from Season 1. ;)

Banes

Two really good episodes. The characters and the show have really solidified. Hummin' along very nicely! Destiny - I love the ambiguity about the Prophets and the prophecies - cool stuff. And like you were saying we haven't seen much of what it means that Sisko is "The Emissary". So it was nice to get a bit of that. Prophet Motive - I dig it! Love Quark. Love Rom. Love the Nagus. Most of the Ferengi episodes are a hoot!

deskmerc

I also like how Scoggins served on a different space station as well, in the last season of Babylon 5

deskmerc

"What happens if a comet enters a wormhole?" I really want to answer this, but I don't think the Discord text box I am allotted is sufficient for a proper response.

Desmond

And you are bang-on with your analysis of Quark. He's mostly there for comic relief, but often also has some of the more poignant & memorable scenes and storylines.

TC Green

Two solid episodes. I particularly enjoy Quark's speech to the prophets. And Rom is really coming into his own as a character this season.

Summer

The 60 years of occupation would impact everything including interpretation but for every vague prophecy there would be some that are clear. I like how sciency you are. With this prophecy it worked out as they wrote it.

Ember_Atelier

"I have discovered a truly marvelous proof of what will happen if a comet enters a wormhole, but this comment box is too small to contain it" - Pierre De Fermat

Opti_Frog

If a prophecy can mean any number of things then it means nothing. Bajoran beliefs sometimes really gets on my nerves, but the DS9 writers often made good stories out of them. In the case of Destiny, the prophecy itself and its possible meaning isn't particularly interesting to me. What is interesting to me is the relationship between Sisko and Kira, the fact that Kira can somehow believe two truths about the wormhole aliens in her head at the same time (this could be a misunderstanding on my part), the funny/touching cross-cultural snafu between O'Brien and Gilora and the show's continued and admirable refusal to paint adversarial species in black and white. DS9 is all about the greyscale, and i suppose that goes for religion as well. And omg, i just realised that Ulani was played by Wendy Robie who was Nadine in Twin Peaks. I know a lot of people don't care much for the DS9 Ferengi episodes, probably because they are often comedic and silly, but Wallace Shawn's performances as Zek never fails to entertain me. The humming! 😄

Opti_Frog

Quark threatening the prophets with how annoying his species is. 😄

Ian

Jen's cracking up to the humming kidnap was so good 😆 . Literally the second it was mentioned the comet would split into three pieces I assumed it would end up being the three vipers . Without the wormhole we wouldn't really have a show so because the wormhole plot armour is strong I never fear for a second anything happening to it 🤷. The Julian award thing I can only guess was there to introduce some names of doctors we may meet down the line ( no spoilers) didn't mind these episodes, not bad , not great just ok . Thumbnail is great though 🔥🙏

Death Lego

Destiny: Well written sci-fi from this period often did pretty well at walking that line. Many fans of the genre have found that some, or maybe even a more significant majority of sci-fi from the last 20 - 25 has edged over into appearing to take a more definitive ideological position of what's right or likely to happen. Loosing more of the art of balance and nuance in portraying ideas. I love the ambiguity here. Something more preferable to some of the other alternatives I have seen. That of a run of bleak dystopian portrayals of the future, or lazy exposition telling me what to think.

Michael B.

Crazy! I would have never guessed. Edit: Wait, I think you have her confused with another Jennifer Murray. The images of that Jennifer on www.imdb.com (memory-alpha links to that) look totally different than our Jen.

Lee

I can't tell if Jen just disregards the director credits or doesn't recognize the regular actors' names, but René Auberjonois (Odo) directed "Prophet Motive." Jonathan Frakes (Will/Thomas Riker) has directed three episodes this season, but Jen didn't blink at his credits. Not a big deal, I know not everyone cares about the names in credits.

Bobby Coolbreeze

Cardassian Hottie crushing on O’Brien 😂 Solid episode. We get more Sisko Emissary stuff. I was never a big fan of him being the emissary but it does make sense being that they need a way for him to bond with the Bajorans, as they are deeply spiritual people. I never cared for that aspect of the show. So yeah when I first saw this episode. I thought Sisko being viewed as the emissary would always be a plot point from time to time as it was established in the pilot. As far as going forward in the series I can’t say. I know things you have not seen lol and when I saw it here I reasoned they wouldn’t let it be. They obviously foreshadowing it at the end.

Goddess of Empathy

I think she stopped looking at them a while ago to avoid any guest character spoilers.

Laura Thornley

Kira's faith is so interesting. Its so practical and unassuming. She believes extremely deeply, but its always in the background when she has 'worldly' matters at hand. She's open minded too, which is refreshing.

Bobby Coolbreeze

She will need to start covering her eyes real soon 😂

Clay F

Great reaction.