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A historical fiction about Mozart, this one has always been on my list! Of course I loved the music but I also loved the costumes, sets, the full opera performances and the twisted tale of Salieri. I had been told previously that this one is not fully based in fact so I would be really interested to know which parts are true or likely and which parts are complete fiction. Are there any other historical fictions we can check out?

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Dylan

Literally one of the best films of all time. Can’t wait to watch your reaction Jen! 🔥

Rob Nichols

Since watching this movie, I've described my dislike for some modern music by saying "it has too many notes". Some get the quote, some don't.

Dylan

The requiem composition scene is a masterpiece.

Yann Laliberte

This movie is one of my favorite of all time. That scene where Mozart dictates Confutatis to Salieri is a classic. And the one with Salieri's march.... ***chef kiss*. Couldnt wait fo ryou to watch it

The_Truth

Whenever I see this movie I always start singing, "Rock me Amadeus" (it's a song by a singer named Falco from 1985) 😅

Stephen Dias

Oh, nice! I just ordered the DVD for this reaction. It's amazing that I don't already own it.

Matt

Love this movie, really looking forward to your reaction

Arthur 'Two Sheds' Jackson

And yes, Danny Madigan from Last Action Hero spoiled the movie for you: "watch it, Jack, he killed Mozart!" 🤣🤣

Summer

There are very short books on Mozart you can find on kindle. Handel and Bach probably knew each other as kids. Nashville would be the city of musicians in the US. Some makeup was poison but they had cleaner air and water

Jon Anderson

I so love Tom Hulce playing Mozart. He's always been mostly a stage actor, but the movie credits he does have - Animal House, Parenthood and most of all Amadeus - that's a serious CV. If you fancy another historical fiction to put on the list, A Very English Scandal is an amazing short miniseries (three episodes, so more like a long movie) telling a story that's unbelievable but true, and has Hugh Grant being very un-Hugh Grant.

Adam R

There's Immortal Beloved (1994) which is about Beethoven. 🙂

Mastervodo

All Mozart for the most part.

Jason Scade

"Moe who?" "Moe Zart." 😅👍👍

Helly R

Very little to do with history (the Salieri vs Mozart stuff is all made up) but great film. Some of the stuff about Mozart has some truth, and it's pretty much all his music in the film.

W T

"Was he anything like this?" Well, there it is. Fully expected this to be some sort of globally accepted "trivium" - but hell yeah, he was, at least in the important ways. He is the (often literal) poster child for the aloof, crass, yet legendarily gifted artist icon. I'd argue he is one of the most important bridges into a cultural period that is remembered along the lines of "rosy retrospection," aka simple nostalgia bias, where we expect powdered folks with wigs surrounded by ornate precious metals to be highly modest, tame, and noble - when, in fact, a sizeable chunk of them were straight-up classic fuckbois, as it were. I don't even know where to start, but I might go back and jot down a fat mozart primer and the many eclectic escapades we know of today. There is a bit of an overcorrection happening, at least on account of native speakers who still learn about Mozart, where the idiomatic phrase "leck mich am arsch" (now meaning "kiss my ass more or less," literally "lick my ass") wasn't quite there yet and literally appears as "lick me in my arse" - which is both such a subtle and yet such a pronounced difference in how it feels saying that today. So we read language that seems more vulgar today and infer that he might have been a particularly naughty person, but really, scat jokes and all that were (and I almost hate myself for putting it this way) the bread and butter of low-brow, private-circle, 18th-century Germaustrian humor. As portrayed, he was very socially apt, and like most (many?) of us, he also really liked swearing for no particular reason. Which means that today, one of his most well-known and possibly privately performed tunes is his Canon in B flat for six voices called "Leck mich im Arsch," all meticulously registered in the Köchelverzeichnis, the "catalogue raisonné," as it's called in the music world (or simply the "catalog of works") for Mozart. And in case this isn't well-know - lots of prominent catalogs exist and are usually named after the musicologist... music history something or other that put their respective lists together. Few have as invigorating a title as this one. Small outlook into what I might continue with: the "Bäsle letters" he exchanged with his cousin ("Base"), which might be considered a primer on, uh, disgusting jokes. I'd say his characterization in the movie is pretty on point, but obviously overdone in certain ways. Well, not obviously, but it's not difficult to imagine where they nudged the truth a fair bit. His emotional immaturity under pressure is basically wrong, to more closely fall in line with my "socially apt" assessment before; he definitely knew how to carry himself in his own interest. Tremendously fun movie. Even knowing a fair deal about him and his life, it's always an experience, and it sure was one the first time I had it casually shred and scar my nerve tissue. Hyper-giggly Wolfi is something else.

rubberkidney

I, for one, love the orchestra of Jen

Summer

It is interesting to think of an opera or such being so offensive and now no one would care, I must say the emperor may be best cast, he looks like a European ruler

W T

I guess some broad strokes are welcome as far as historical setting goes, plus the entire characterization of Mozart is surprisingly accurate, although exaggerated for effect. Some are very, very likely toned down a notch to counteract the "reality is unrealistic" trope, although I have no idea if that would have been deliberate. Here goes: - Mozart had a fantastic memory. Definitely hinted at at every step, but it would have been easy to explain away with "state-induced, contextual recollection" or some jibber-jabber along those lines. Popular story: Mozart hearing the "Miserere mei" by Allegri, a choral piece owned by the Vatican that was forbidden to be copied or published as sheet music, what with the sword of excommunication dangling above everyone's heads and such. Wolfi heard the piece (15 minutes or so long) only once, if we are to believe those claims, and then transcribed it in his room. The Pope awarded him a papal knighthood as a quest reward. - His improvisation skills were way beyond that. Proof: any real musician doing their best. Again, this is Mozart. He wasn't just "pretty good" at it, and Bloom's 2 Sigma Problem, stating that 1-on-1 tutoring infinitely augments your skill acquisition (thanks here to his dad, the only writer of that era's standard textbook for violin of that time), basically tells us that anything we're seeing in the movie is still really tame, and audiences would likely have a harder time believing his actual prowess. - Multitasking: still plenty iffy from a scientific standpoint, but Wolfgang was known to do various coordination tasks and such, usually combined with something musical. More than that, he composed huge pieces in his head while doing other things. Playing, drinking, eating, and talking - I think he downright hated committing his tunes to paper. It already is all in there. For comparison's sake: I can't scan four pieces of grocery in the self-checkout without losing track of what is happening in the audiobook I am listening to. Although granted, my procedural memory is much stronger when the main modality is music, but that is a whole different beast to casually crack in these here comments.

Bryan Tuck

The way I often think of this film in regards to its "accuracy" is that it doesn't let the facts get in the way of the truth. :) Most of the plot is fictional, but it still offers some interesting insight into how Mozart was perceived in his time. And it could also be argued that Salieri is an unreliable narrator, and we're only hearing his version of the events. Fun fact - the composer who won the 1984 Oscar for Best Original Score (for a different movie, of course) remarked in his acceptance speech that he was lucky Mozart wasn't eligible that year. :)

Geoff S.

This was filmed mostly in Prague, where Don Giovanni actually debuted, I've read because the historical center of the city had escaped heavy bombing in WWII and the historical buildings were intact. Mozart was buried in a "common grave" which was normal back then. Every ten years or so the bodies were exhumed and the graves reused. That is why to this day no one knows where he actually is. They have a good idea and that's where his monument is today. Salieri in real life was married with a lot of children and a mistress. Not the chaste man as portrayed. In Mozart's short life (1756-1791) the harpsichord gave way to the newly invented forte piano which changed music. Beethoven (1770–1827) lived during the time that the forte piano gave way to the modern piano which we basically know today. There is no proof though that they ever met. Also, the sister that Emperor Joseph II speaks of when Mozart met him at 6 years old was Marie Antoinette. A scene in the Director's Cut explains why Costanze really hated Salieri. In the scene where she comes to him with his compositions to get a job Salieri solicits her to come back later that night for sex and when she does he humiliates her again by turning her down. Immortal Beloved is another composer movie based on Beethoven. Gary Oldman does his usual excellent chameleon like job as the main character. P.S. Bird, directed by Clint Eastwood, is an excellent bio pic of Charlie Parker. So if you want to get more jazz knowledge you want to see it. Straight No Chaser is awesome too but it's a documentary on jazz pianist Thelonius Monk.

Jason Scade

Rock me, Amadeus! www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-H895vrIU8

Marcus Hicks

The biggest inaccuracies in this movie/play relate to Salieri himself. Not only was he a more popular composer than Mozart during his lifetime, he was also happily married with several children. There is also no evidence that any rivalry between the two composers was anything more than the friendly kind. As to Mozart himself-whilst all his correspondences, with friends and family-suggest a very childish and irreverent sense of humour, he never mocked the work of other composers. He was a lifelong friend of Haydn, a major devotee of Bach-especially his mastery of counterpoint-and immediately recognized the greatness of a young Beethoven. Just some food for thought 🙂.

Marcus Hicks

BTW, I do love this movie as a movie......great story, fantastic acting, magnificent filmography and direction.....just don't go using it as a depiction of historical fact 😉.

Rob Nichols

Some great historical dramas are The Right Stuff (1983), The Wind And The Lion (1975) score by Jerry Goldsmith, and Midway (1976) score by John Williams. I'd also recommend The Untouchables and Apollo 13 if you hadn't done them already. I really enjoyed your reactions to both, though I have a love/hate thing with Apollo 13.

Summer

Make sure you all make requests on the request site

Matt

Another great historical film I'll keep recommending FIRST MAN 2018 about Neil Armstrong great filmmaking, great acting and the music is also absolutely incredible imo

Harvey Lee

Amadeus Amadeus Amaaadeus !!🎵🎵 A little riff on the pop hit by Falco Rock Me Amadeus 😅 Yes I do play music and this was a great film for me I love the music in this and although it is historical fiction. I'd like to believe Amadeus was like how Tom Hulce portrays him here 😆 I shall enjoy this now , Keep on going with the great reactions Jen🤘🔥

Marcus Hicks

I would pay Jen extra if she would watch Immortal Beloved!!

JPDotCom23

One of the better biopics is 'Coal Miner's Daughter' starring Sissy Spacek and Tommy Lee Jones I highly recommend.

Forrest Tanaka

Another musical biopic I enjoyed is Ray which is already on your list with a handful of votes. Jamie Foxx is spot on as Ray Charles. I understand the film simplifies much of his life, but reflects his personality quite well. I haven't seen The Doors, but it sounds like Val Kilmer got Jim Morrison very accurately, while it portrays his life less so.

Matt

Too Many Notes! 🤣 another great reaction Jen

Wesley

I love Milos Forman movies, Firemans Ball and Ragtime are two of my favorite films, period. Here's hoping for more. Also shout out to the nine other people on the request site asking for The Red Violin, another beautifully moving movie about music. I also bust a gut laughing when Salieri mocks Mozart saying "Oh yes we Itlalians know nothing about love". Well for a man who promised his chastity to God, safe to say Salieri (the character) knew nothing of love, as the movie shows.

Matt

The Bob Dylan biopic A COMPLETE UNKNOWN 2024 is fantastic, only covers a portion of his career but pretty awesome imo

Julian San

Idk who’s saying the Director’s Cut is bad. It’s damn amazing, especially for someone like me who’s already seen the theatrical version dozens and dozens of times. And yes, those 20 minutes are full of entire subplots that were cut out, including one that explains why Constanze had such animosity towards Salieri at the end. And if you’re really curious, the YouTube channel History Buffs puts out videos going through historical inaccuracies from a whole slew of movies, including Amadeus.

Roni

Nice! :-) You can pronounce Amadeus any way you want, it is Latin for "Loving" (from amare) + "God". He actually was christened with "Theophilus" as one of his middle names - which is the same in Greek. Or "Gottlieb" in German. His family called him "Wolfgang", which also was just his 3rd middle name. Cheers from Vienna, very close to where all of this was supposed to take place :-)

John DiGiantomasso

Jen - Your reaction was outstanding. Absolutely amazing. An incredible masterpiece. Did I like it? How shall I say this? It was... it had... too many words. If you got rid of a few of the words it would be perfect. There it is. 🤣 I thought it was only fitting giving you a review that was suitable for Mozart himself. I hope you appreciate that!😃 As for historical movies, an absolutely amazing mostly-accurate film is "The Right Stuff" which covers aviation advances after WW2 and then Project Mercury which put the first Americans in space. How do you select and train men to do something that has never been done before? The Right Stuff has a great score with prominent classical music. The other truly amazing film is Immortal Beloved which tells the story of Beethoven. As a nearly deaf guy, this one hits me hard. A beautiful story, a beautiful LOVE story that is very, very well done. A perfect follow-up to Amadeus and worthy of a "Jen Pick: I want to see this now so I am just doing it." (You deserve one of those every once in a while!)

Gary Cameron

Like many (of the best) historical films, there is some good history (particularly the costumes, sets, socio-political background), combined with some total fiction. In reality, Mozart and Salieri appear to have been friendly rivals. One thing to consider (as you seem to be thinking) is that the play and the film both have Salieri in an asylum - is what we have seen in fact what HE imagined? I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Gary Cameron

True. Many musicians can be "rivals" and yet also be friends or at least friendly towards others in the profession.

Marcus Hicks

In real life, Salieri was suffering full-blown dementia at the time he attempted suicide.

Stephen Dias

I'm a musician (bass guitar) and was also a classical music DJ in our college radio. "Too many notes" and "a big bang in the end so they know when to clap" are two lines that I often quote. Jen said, "I definitely am going to listen to some Classical music after this." Yes, me too. You can't help it.

Joe Blankenship

I studied music in college. Not the biggest fan of classical music. I played saxophone, so naturally I gravitated to jazz. But you still had to study classical for a music degree. I always wondered why there wasn't much improvisation in the classical world. But as it turns out, they actually did improvise a lot back then, 18th and 17th century. But ya know, not everybody could do it. Some people need the notes on a page and a proper melodic line and a proper strong cadence. But over the years, improvisation got more and more discouraged until it was practically nonexistent. I just assume that the people that suck at improvising didn't want others having fun that they couldn't enjoy themselves.

John DiGiantomasso

To answer your question, the white powder in the common grave was Quicklime, or sometimes called just "lime." Dry it's a powder, but when it gets wet it becomes calcium hydroxide - a corrosive. Not only does it reduce odors, it deters scavengers, kills many diseases, and accelerates decomposition. It is also used in garbage pits, sewers, and sludge pits. It raises pH to over 12 to kill may viruses and bacteria, and also serves as a dehydration agent. Handy stuff for militaries to keep around their camps in the old days.

Carlos Stevens

I loved this movie so much I think I saw it in the theater when it came out about 10 times.

Carlos Stevens

So Jen, did you know that "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star" was Mozart's first song?

Jon Johns

Wesley! Holy cow! I've never seen anyone else even mention Ragtime! What an amazing epic! And Cagney's final role? I think? I got the Criterion Collection edition on their sale a couple years ago. What a fantastic story! And completely fleshed out with character actors giving Oscar worthy performances. 🥰🥰🥰

James Cain

That is a popular misconception; Mozart did not write "Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star." The melody is an 18th-century French folk song, "Ah! vous dirai-je, maman". Mozart actually composed a series of twelve variations (K. 265) on this existing tune when he was around 25 or 26 years old, not as a child

Chief

As another commenter noted, this was almost entirely filmed in Prague (standing in for Vienna), for several reasons - including the fact that it was where director Milos Foreman lived and studied, but also, was home to the last standing theater where Mozart actually directed. That theater is used for the in-theater scenes, and is still there today, staging productions, not far from Old Town Square. It’s also interesting to read up on Tom Hulce’s preparations to play Mozart in the role. He created the laugh, based, if I recall, on someone else he’d heard. And he studied intensive piano so as to be able to actually play all the pieces in the film.

Paul Hess

Hi Jen! I purchased this "Amadeus (1984) Full + Watch-Along" post on Patreon, but then when I click on the "Full Watch-Along (no copy needed) available HERE🟣" link it sends me to another post called All Movies Watchalong which I don't have access to. I don't know whether that contains a way to access each whatchalong or what, since I can't see it. Is there some way you can give me access to the Watch Along download? I do have my own copy but it's the director's cut so trying to stay in sync would be a real pain! I'm really looking forward to your reaction. This movie is painstakingly well crafted, which I know you'll appreciate, and your musical ear will more than make up for the fact that I have none! 😉 I'm hoping you can answer quickly or another Patron could step in with some advice because I was really hoping to watch this tonight. I have a bottle of wine ready to enjoy with it, as is appropriate for this movie.

Paul Hess

Thanks Jen for helping out so quickly! I’m looking forward to watching today.

Paul Hess

Hi Roni! I enjoyed visiting Vienna a few months ago and stopped by Mozart’s apartment. It was pretty impressive, and I hadn’t realized that his father was still actively involved in concerts and events during that time frame. However, the Zache Torte was not as good as the Zache Torte I grew up with from my Grandmother who claims to have gotten the original recipe around the turn of the century from her mother who was a worker in the kitchen when it was invented.

Paul Hess

Amadeus is an exquisitely crafted movie. Every beat, every gesture of every actor, every intonation was perfection. Layer upon layer of context and meaning that start to reveal themselves with multiple viewings, and very few “this is how they make the sausage” flaws open up even after multiple viewings. Despite that, today was one of the rare occasions where despite a perfect piece my eyes where transfixed on the reactor and not on the movie. You were genuinely harmonious with the perfection of the movie. You understood the characters and the vibe. You focused on what was real and brought back a feeling of newness as if i were watching this again in the theater for the first time as a sophomore in college in 1984. I was lucky enough to watch it with someone of substance who could appreciate the movie, and watching with you brought me back to that day. Jen you paid tribute to your high school musical teacher who inspired and maybe “allowed” you to be someone who could get into music as it happens, in the moment. I wish you had named him and paid tribute to him for that given how deeply integrated it is to many of your reaction moments. Two movie recommendations connecting to Amadeus that would be great reactions: ** Mr. Holland’s Opus: A powerful emotional musical based piece with a great performance by Richard Dreyfus. Not a biopic but wonderful fiction. This would make a perfect reaction for you! ** Remains of the Day: Another period piece, exquisitely crafted as is Amadeus, starring Anthony Hopkins in a subtle “acting below the surface” performance that only he could pull off. Emma Thomson co-stars with equal skill, and Christopher Reeves puts in a great showing. (( And one bonus recommendation “Scent of a Woman” not because it relates to Amadeus like the other recommendations do, but just because it’s such an awesome movie with great performances. When Salieri brings Mozart back to the apartment after Mozart’s collapse during the Magic Flute vaudeville performance you said “Well this is his shot if he wants to murder him”. You’re right it’s his shot, but what’s more important to Salieri than murder? Music. Speaking the voice of god. And that’s what happens. Salieri who has learned everything about the mechanics of music finally gets to experience the joy of true creation of music. I highly recommend you watch this annotated version of their composition of the confutatis portion of the requiem mass that someone created here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ0AkP_BFhs Speaking of the Magic Flute there’s a particular Star Trek scene, very well made, from a series you haven’t seen yet, that features Mozart’s Papagena opera as context and I had to go and rewatch it after watching this video with you. You’ll get there someday and I hope you remember Amadeus when you do.

HeatheЯ

Great reaction, thanks for doing this one ♥ You would absolutely love Walk the Line. I'm actually shocked it hasn't won any polls. It's an amazing film. And yes, Mozart was vulgar and had a 10 yr old boy since of humor. You can find letters he wrote to his sister online and they match his personality in the movie :) Tom Hulce was brilliant as Mozart. Also, with the director's cut, the end with Stanzi and Salieri makes more sense.

Paul Hess

Amadeus is an exquisitely crafted movie. Every beat, every gesture of every actor, every intonation is deliberate. Even background actors all seem to have their personal story and sensible activity as if they are fully fleshed out characters even when not on screen. Layer upon layer of context and meaning that start to reveal themselves after multiple viewings, and very few “this is how they make the sausage” flaws open up even after multiple viewings. Jen you commented about your high school musical teacher who inspired and maybe “allowed” you to be someone who can get into music as it happens, in the moment. I wish you had named him given how deeply integrated musical appreciation is to many of your reaction moments. Two recommendations adjacent to Amadeus for two different reasons: Mr. Holland’s Opus: A powerful emotional musical based piece with a great performance by Richard Dreyfus. Not a biopic but wonderful fiction. This would make a perfect reaction for you! Remains of the Day: Another period piece, exquisitely crafted as is Amadeus, starring Anthony Hopkins in a subtle “acting below the surface” performance that only he could pull off. Emma Thomson co-stars with equal skill, and Christopher Reeves puts in a great showing. And one bonus recommendation “Scent of a Woman” not because it relates to Amadeus like the other recommendations do, but just because it’s such an awesome movie with great performances. When Salieri brings Mozart back to the apartment after Mozart’s collapse during the Magic Flute you said “Well this is his shot if he wants to murder him”. You’re right it’s his shot, but let's name something more important to Salieri than murder? MUSIC. Being infused with god's voice. And for one solitary moment in his life he experiences that sensation. Salieri, who has learned everything there is to know about the mechanics of music, finally gets to experience the joy of true creation of music, through working with Mozart in his final moments. I highly recommend you watch this annotated version of the confutatis scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ0AkP_BFhs Speaking of the Magic Flute there’s a particular Star Trek scene, very well made, from a series you haven’t seen yet, that features Mozart’s Papagena opera as context and I had to go and rewatch it after watching this video with you. You’ll get there someday and I hope you remember Amadeus when you do.