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5x13 For the Uniform 5x14 In Purgatory's Shadow

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This week Sisko pursues a personal vendetta and then I was NOT ready!! OH. MY. GOD!!!!! Engage! 🖖

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Dylan

When I think of some of the best reactions in the world. Jen’s Star Trek reactions are easily #1 on my list! 🔥🖖

Fanchman

Always nice to wake up to more Star Trek DS9. Thank you!

Dylan

The Queen of Star Trek has returned! 🔥🖖

SirJohnCard

Gotta love an unexpected two-parter! 😉

Summer

Yay ready!

Senzu Bean

I've been looking forward to these two amazing episodes. Sisko proving why he is a badass Captain (IMO) and... The Dominion is back on the menu, boys! I hope you will like Martok. And yes, another Tora Ziyal actress! (Melanie Smith) You might recognize her from Seinfeld; she was the girlfriend who didn't know about 'shrinkage'. (Season 5, Episode 21 called 'The Hamptons')

Geoff S.

Next week is great too! Have fun Jen!

Claude Floyd

For the Uniform is another favorite episode of mine Sisko becoming the villain to get his guy was epic.

jon bolton

I love both of these!

ParallaxNick

The episodic era is over. Chapter one of the novel starts now.

Arthur 'Two Sheds' Jackson

So you didn't watch the 2nd part?? I was thinking you would make an executive decision and do 3 eps 😂

Dean

So in For the Uniform, Sisko did to that colony what Eddington did to the Cardassian colonies: poison it with a thing that specifically makes it uninhabitable to the opposing species, but not the species they’re allied with. In Sisko’s last log before Eddington shows up at the airlock, he says that the colonists in all those instances were resettled to the planets that aren’t poisonous to them “restoring balance to the DMZ”. They sort of did a planetary do-si-do. I love that Kira and Worf were the most visibly uncomfortable with the plan (which makes sense considering their respective backgrounds), but trusted Sisko enough to go through with it anyway. Also, I always love Dax as a chaos goblin. You can tell Terry Farrell really liked playing a somewhat devilish version of her.

Real Raw News

By this time, the Dominion threat andEddington had taken a toll on Sisko. Sisko became very grey, and gets more grey in future episofe In the pale moonlight

Christopher Lamont Harris

I really thought you would have been excited to finally know about garak you were really pumped up about bashirling and the Dominion finally coming, enjoy yourself and I always look forward to your reactions

Jen Murray

No need to tell me about upcoming episodes, I'll find out when I get there and always better I go in not aware of what the ep deals with so everyone can see my reaction 👍

William Rosmer

we never know what we're going to get. we get the sisko doing war crimes :D

Summer

I believe the Bashir switch was before the Begotten, in that episode Bashir was wierd

Brett Whittaker

Jen your reaction at the end hahaha. I need some “SHUT-UP and FRIG OFF” merch!!!

Summer

I watched this first on dvd and I was able to keep going

William Rosmer

the torpedoes exploded well above ground, because the explosion wasn't the point. it was all about spreading the gas. and again, the maquis were also committing bioterrorist acts during this episode.

William Rosmer

the key to telling if garak is lying, is noticing if his lips are moving :D

Preaching to the Horse's Mouth

J's reaction to the Bashir/changeling reveal, stop I can't! 😭 That might be one of the most adorable, earnest reactions I've ever seen. Just pure joy directed at the storytelling. When I say I can't, I like, legit.... can't. I'm just grinning like an idiot over here.

Darren Swinbank

Notice the real Bashir is wearing the old style uniform, so you can tell he has been gone a while.

Banes

I wonder if your reaction in the thumbnail is to the Bashir appearance. That was a shocker! It's fun to rewatch the episodes before this, where everyone has the new uniforms, and to realize that he was an imposter through those four or five episodes!

Banes

Here's a fun fact - Tain, Garak's mentor/father, is the same actor who plays Larry David's father in law on Curb! - "don't you say goodbye??"

Fanchman

What's great about this rewatch with Jen is that I don't remember a lot, so I forgot about the Bashir reveal. Both Jen and I got a wild surprise. I remembered they would find the real General Martok, but absolutely forgot that Bashir was replaced by a Changeling. Just a reminder: The Changeling General Martok was responsible for starting the recent Klingon conflict.

William Rosmer

Changeling Bashir is the one that did the surgery on Sisko a few episodes ago. Imagine if he "made a mistake". Also this marks the first time we've seen real Martok

Michael B.

Bashir'ling😁. It's wonderful to see Jen's legitimate excitement

Kristin

Good point!!

Kristin

She called Bashirling a dick! Heh.

TC Green

That means a changeling delivered Kirayoshi

TC Green

My favorite two parter in all of Trek right here

Summer

Technically in the episode Bashir did next to nothing delivering the baby it was the Bajoran midwife and Kira with Keiko and Miles playing music and talking

C_Drew

I never saw Bashir-ling coming either! These two episodes were awesome!

Laura Thornley

Bashir being a changeling does pose certain questions - like how many episodes has it been since he was replaced? Was it a changeling that delivered O'Brian's baby?

Curran Dobbs

If you want to be a real nerd about it, there is a minor continuity error when they mentioned the recent Borg attack. The stardate mentioned in Star Trek First Contact sets it as having happened later in the season.

TyWorth

If Sisko wasn't the Emissary and Bajor wasn't so important to the Federation, he would have been court marshalled for sure. I do love that episode though. For clarity's sake: I believe there were no casualties since the torpedoes were detonated in the atmosphere?

Sykonee

Avery's Annual Villain Role returns, this time as Obsessed Vengeful Starfleet Captain. Okay, Sisko was more playing into the role Eddington laid out for him, but still. It's definitely been a long controversial episode because of it, but I do enjoy the full-on display of vintage Trek Competency Porn we get from it.

Fred

Changeling Bashir also performed brain surgery on Captain Sisko in the episode Rapture. It was the first DS9 episode with the new Starfleet uniforms from First Contact.

Curran Dobbs

Jen: "I feel like It's been awhile since we've seen Dr. Bashir." ...Yup!

Laura Thornley

Makes me wonder - did Bashirling (love it)lie about it being dangerous because he recognised that the Prophets could potentially interfere with the Dominion's plans? Alternatively, it actually did happen later - the uniform change was only on the station, and the old uniform was still in common usage elsewhere (we do see phased uniform changes in TNG) and this was what was being worn at the conference? Though he was apparently sleeping when he was captured - so maybe the Dominion just supplied him with an old uniform they'd taken from a previous captive (or corpse) as a small 'kindness' so he'd not be in prison dressed in his pyjamas?

The_Truth

Enabrin Tain was the head of the Cardassian Obsidian Order, you saw him in Season 2 Episode 22, Season 3 - Episodes 20 and 21. General Martok was a Klingon general to Gowron you saw him in Season 4 Episodes 1 & 2, and Season 5 Episode 1 (but he was a changeling in this episode)

Desmond

I'd say this two parter is where everything kicks into high gear. Jen is into prime DS9 now.

Curran Dobbs

Also, Real-shir was wearing the pre-First Contact uniform so he was abducted before the episode they switched.

David Brown

"Martok" was a Changeling in those earlier episodes. Here it is the real Martok.

David Brown

Yes, when Sisko mentions "the recent Borg attack", he is referring to 'First Contact'.

David Brown

Yes, but I would refer you to The Star Trek Chronology Project.

Kev Longley

"He was lying!" Of course he was. He was speaking :)

Bammer

Dr. Bashir was captured sometime between the events of the episodes "The Ascent" and "Rapture" because the uniforms changed. Real Bashir was wearing the old uniform while Bashirling was wearing the new one. The "recent" Borg attack is referring to the events of "First Contact," which occurred between these two episodes.

Jeremy Nuss

The most dangerous thing a Starfleet officer can do is attend a conference.

Desmond

In "For the Uniform", I've always loved Worf's look of disbelief when Sisko announces his plan to poison the Maquis planet. I can't help but wonder though if Starfleet command would approve of Sisko's little foray into chemical warfare, putting civilians at risk, even if it did ultimately "work". That was sort of glossed over, I think. Edit to add: You're right that Sisko absolutely crossed a line here. And his status of being the Emissary to the Bajorans seemed to insulate him from what would otherwise have been the inevitable consequences of such line-crossing.

Desmond

Yeah, I think that's the implication. Sisko had warned them beforehand, and they were basically ready to evacuate just in case. Still hard to believe that Starfleet would have approved of such a plan though.

Rob Nichols

I haven't seen it yet, but sounds like her freak out over the Spock reveal in Unification. We were all spoiled on this stuff back in the day so I really enjoy these moments.

Sean Ellingham

For the Uniform doesn't reflect well on a number of the crew - Sisko is the obvious one, but Worf should have refused Sisko's order to fire and relieved him of command right there and then, as I can't see how poisoning a planet could possibly be a legal order. You could possibly argue that Kira should have done so as well, but as she's not in Starfleet her authority to do so would be pretty murky, so really it falls on Worf. Sisko should then have been court-martialled and suffered some sort of consequences - at the very least an official reprimand on his record. Transferring him to another post is obviously politically tricky given his status to the Bajorans, but he could still have been demoted or temporarily removed from command. Unfortunately given how the story quickly moves on it's unlikely anything will come of his actions.

TigerMyth

Torpedoes went off in the atmosphere to kill the planet of Human habitation. For dramatic effect they made the atmosphere change immediately but I always assumed the inhabitants had time to get off. And at the ending they said they had been relocated. I don't think the torpedoes killed anyone. Reoccurring theme. One of favorite still to come episodes is a nice murky morality episode.

Tony Bain

No one died in Sisko's attack. He fired the torpedo's to slowly make the planet uninhabitable giving people time to get clear. He didn't fire missiles at people specifically. If people were being killed by him that is a whole other situation.

Tony Bain

I always liked that scene between Kira and Odo, when she finds that book about finding a mate. Nana's performance and reaction coupled with Rene's portrayal of Odo's discomfort at her seeing that side of him. Kira knows how private Odo is and she reacts in a very considerate way when Odo feels the need to explain.

Tony Bain

It also means that the Bashir that dealt with the changeling infant was in fact a changeling themselves. I've explained that away by saying that the changeling Bashir done whatever they could to save the infant and genuinely couldn't. Otherwise, given that one of their own is more important than entire quadrants, he'd have taken it home and saved it using The Great Link.

Geoff S.

The other ship, the Malinche, was an Excelsior class. They're the work horse class of Star Fleet.

Desmond

"In Purgatory's Shadow" is definitely one of DS9's best cliffhangers. Don't want to say much more than that out of fear of spoilers. Can't wait for next week.

Struzzylive

sorry to keep being " that person" but i trying to view the no sync, but on patreon, there's nothign for captains, people talking too fast, anyone know where that setting is, thx and sorry

Roger Mortimer

FYI the alternate bashir is hereby known as 'Goo-lian'

William Rosmer

and some of them are at least 100 years old and retrofitted to not be horribly out classed

Geoff S.

I think this show was before cheaper CGI was available for a tv budget so they used models over and over again. By the time Enterprise came along in 2001 it was used more.

Peter41

Early on in the 2nd episode when you said "haven't seen Bashir in a long time," I had to chuckle. Thought to myself "you have no idea how long it's really been."

Julian San

“Say hello to the Bad Guy!” — Benjamin Sisko

BakaOppai

from here the show gets about 100X better

Vlad D

Hi Jen. You should watch a movie called Krull. It's an action adventure/fantasy movie '83. It has a very young comander Eddington as the lead in that movie

Jake

I always assumed the toxic torpedos just exploded in orbit, but if they didn’t, you’re right in that those explosions would have been massive. I’m sure it wasn’t good for anyone’s health nonetheless

Brent Justice

Things can be rebuilt: buildings, structures, homes. The federation offered these people safe places to live, they just don't want to. They could re-build on a new, safe planet, a new colony. Or, go to an existing one. I understand wanting to protect your home, but you can make a new home on a new planet, what's important is your life, your safety and your family's safety, and the Federation is offering that, the maquis aren't.

Brent Justice

That ship looked like the Enterprise-B because it is an Excelsior-class ship, just like the Enterprise B. Ships are in classes, and there are multiple ships of that class out there. Upgraded over time, though, this one would be upgraded with 24th-century technology, so a refit. The Enterprise B was a brand new fresh Excelsior-class of the 23rd century. So yes, it's an old design, but tried and true.

Brent Justice

Sisko did not lose his mind; he knew exactly what he was doing, if you listen carefully, he had to be the villain because Eddington believed he was the hero, and the hero always sacrifices himself. Sisko knew this was how to beat him. It was a very calculated and well-informed move. No one died with what Sisko did, and he did give them warning it was coming. We are not the bad guys, it was a role to get Eddington, and it worked.

Arkane

The Uniforms changed to the First Contact movie version after the release of the film. So ALL episodes with Bashir in the new style Uniform you know is the changeling. Easy way to tell when the Bashirling is operating.

Bobby Coolbreeze

This 2 parter marks the beginning of the end for DS9 as far as plot. It’s get more shocking from here out

Bobby Coolbreeze

You were so blown away about the Bashirling reveal and the dominion coming through the wormhole you neglected the Garak/Tain scene in your wrap up. Garak is the son of Tain and for that brief moment that Tain acknowledged Garak as his son was tender and emotional. Coming from characters that are so cold and calculating. Garak is hands down the best written character on the show. Too bad he wasn’t a regular character in every episode. Garak is such a complicated character.

HeatheЯ

Yeah, I'm always hit with Sisko crossing that line when he torpedoes the Marquis planet. Although, keep in mind the torpedo didn't strike any people, but he did poison the planet. At the end we find out that the Cardassians and the Marquis are just going to resettle on opposite planets. There is one part I have a big problem with. It's how flippant Dax and Sisko are at the end using the Biogenic weapons. I love Sisko diving into Les Mis and becoming Inspector Javert to catch Eddington. I can almost get on board poisoning the Marquis planet so that humans can't live there (but Cardassians can, they're not affected by the biogenic weapon Sisko used). And you could make the arguments it's fair play since Eddington poisoned the Cardassian planet (making it only livable for humans). But how cavalier they are at the end about using those types of weapons has always bothered me. Great ep tho.

Brent Justice

You'll notice that captured Bashir is wearing the old uniform, while the false one on DS9 is wearing the new First Contact uniform. So that tells you how far back, before the changeover.

Tom Evans

I had the same reaction to "For the Uniform." They pushed the limit of what is OK for a Starfleet captain. I think it's still a really good episode, I like how they draw parallels to Les Miserables. But critics of DS9 point to this episode among others when saying DS9 strays from the core Star Trek themes. Incidentally, if you don't know the story of Les Miserables there are two good very movie adaptations you could check out: the 1998 non-musical version starring Liam Neeson, Geoffrey Rush and Uma Thurman, and the 2012 musical version starring Hugh Jackman, Russel Crowe and Anne Hathaway. It's a shame this 2-parter got split up. Can't wait for part 2. Bashir's actor, Alexander Siddig, did not know he was a changeling in previous episodes, so there aren't any hints to look for. They explicitly set the timing of Bashir's abduction to before "The Begotten" when Kira gave birth, so yeah a changeling delivered baby Kirayoshi! Maybe that's why they made Bajoran birth so easy, all "Bashirling" had to do was recommend Kira takes herbs.

Rhom

In defense of Sisko, war is hell and the quicker you end the misery, the better. On a larger scale, it’s a scorched earth strategy to deny the enemy the means to conduct war.

John Sullivan

You missed the part where they said the cardassian and federation colonists were swapping colonies in the DMZ

Chaos T

Are we the bad guys? I'm really glad Jen asked this question. DS9 did a really good job showing the Federation can be very grey at times and showed the Federation entering an era where grey decision making can have an aggregate impact on the legacy of the United Federation of Planets. Over time, even Paradise can show warts. If Sisko did what he did to that planet in the TOS and early TNG era, he probably would have been court martialed or heavily punished. The UFP's conflict with the Borg and the increasing Dominion threat changed the way Starfleet viewed their role as just an exploration force.

Chaos T

I really liked that reaction. Took her several minutes to process it did for a lot of us. That has to be one of the craziest Star Trek reveal moments in the franchise.

Chaos T

This made me laugh because it's 100% true. It's like the Red Shirt of locations in the Trek universe.

SteelPookie

For the Uniform…..Sorry, but not everything can be solved by a well spoken Picard speech and a show of good will & intentions. Sometimes fire does have to be met with fire not a hug. If some nation was nuking random world cities the quick and easy answer may be lighting up one of their cities in return to get them to the negotiating table. I’ll follow Sisko any day of the week.

Desmond

It wasn't technically a "biogenic" weapon that Sisko used, he poisoned the atmosphere with trilithium resin (a made up chemical produced as waste from warp engines), which is toxic to humans, but does not have any "bio" component.

HeatheЯ

Yes, I should have used the term "chemical weapons" instead, thnx~~

Preaching to the Horse's Mouth

We've seen and heard a bit about Sisko's temper before, but I think For the Uniform might be the first time we've really seen it on full display like this.

Paul Sophocleous

I refuse to believe it was the Changeling in Trials and Tribble-ations though!

Ben Milton

Ok, so I have a question. How does Martok pass a blood screen test in Way of the Warrior?

Opti_Frog

Jen's one minute confusion to realisation when the Bashir changeling reveal happened is one of the most glorious moments of reaction i have ever seen! 😄

Summer

Before now we last saw modern Dukat in the season 5 opener, he seemed fine so I wonder when he started talking to the Dominion

Marcus Hicks

My take is that the Infant Changeling was terminal, and not even The Great Link could save it, and Bashirling knew that, and so instead decided to use the infant as a test for Odo. It is hilarious, though, how Bashirling suggested the infant should be placed in containment because "it could be dangerous" 😆

Marcus Hicks

It wasn't, that episode had the old uniforms.

Marcus Hicks

Its worth noting that, given that Martok didn't recognize Worf, there is a very good chance that Martok was already a Changeling during the events of Way of the Warrior.