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What A Cartoon Movie! - Shrek (Patreon)

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2021-04-26 16:44:42
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Hey, you're an all star! 2001 was a huge year in countless ways, and one of the many reasons was the arrival of Shrek, the CGI ogre who changed animation forever. Love him or hate him, theatrical animation was never the same after Shrek, Donkey, Fiona, and the rest first appeared in theaters. We look back on how Jeffrey Katzenberg's vision for animated films slowly was born in Shrek, the many alterations made along the way, and if this film is still a shooting star that breaks the mold!

This episode originally went out with a very minor editing error. It's been fixed now. Thanks for your patience!

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Derek Ricioppo

I have a lot of fondness & nostalgia for Shrek since it’s something my dad & I both love & have boned over. I actually think that Shrek 2 is better then the first although I will say that the franchise started to run out of steam with the 3rd movie & Shrek 4 just seemed unnecessary

To Boldly Joe... Moore

About that technical error... I was just listening while out on a walk when I noticed your guys' voices started "ogre"-lapping each other. *runs for the door*

Frank Grimes

The first version has character

Talking Simpsons

Thanks for your patience everyone, we had tech issues with uploading the fixed version, Patreon really goofed on us for some reason, so we made a new post for the movie, this is the right one. If you have the old version, treasure it for its rarity! - Henry

Tashmon Dimps

As a child of the 2000’s, it is pretty funny to look back at how bad most animated movies were back in the day. I remember watching stuff like Open Season, Madagascar and yes, even Shrek over and over as a kid, and now I feel virtually no nostalgia for the stuff besides maybe the first Spongebob Movie. I guess that’s why I ultimately gravitated more towards TV over the years. There was definitely still a lot of crap in that time, but I think the 2000’s were just as (if not more) creator driven than the 90’s on the TV side. Obviously, a lot of shitty real world things happened in that time, but good shows were being made back then! Hope you guys take the time to cover more 2000’s toons like Invader Zim and Ben 10 on the show. There are some gems post-9/11 and pre-Adventure Time. I like hearing you talk about all that.

ShyRanger

Even as an 8-year-old watching this when it first came out countless times, my biggest confusion about this movie was what Bob mentioned, why does Farquad want to be king. There was literally nothing said that Farquad couldn't do as he is right now that he could when king. Bob already said all this, I just thought I'd mention that yes, even being the perfect audience and loving this movie as a kid, that still confused me so much.

Alan M.

A couple of years ago when I was still in college in Florida, Smash Mouth did a free concert before the first football game of the season. My friends and I showed up too late to make it into the game due to the free seats for students being sold out. We decided to instead watch the free Smash Mouth concert, which coincidentally is about how much I would pay to see Smash Mouth. Regardless the lead singer was incredibly wasted and only sang a couple of lyrics before holding the mic out for the crowd to finish the songs. At one point he called college girls to come on to the stage with him and dance while the crowd did all the singing. He even asked some of the girls to get him more beer. The school usually had free music before games, but normally not many people watch. This however was packed, so I guess people were still willing to see them. They played All Star at the end and it was a little cool to see a whole crowd dance and sing to it in unison. As a side story, after the concert we walked down a road by ourselves that lead back to the parking garage when something strange happened. We hear the song “Girls Just Want to Have Fun” playing from somewhere when all of a sudden two guys riding a cooler go-kart come flying around the corner. Think of a cooler you would bring to picnics or BBQs but with a motor and wheels. As they drive by, we realize that the guy on the back of the go-kart is holding a live sloth. The sloth looks at us as they zoom by blaring music. My friends and I still talk about it to this day. I can only assume the spirit of Shrek brought them here.

Pumpkinbob

Bug’s Life is still around at Disney, you just have to go to Animal Kingdom in Florida. The whole nature vibe leads to more of those characters there. After all if you can buy Oswald pins, then you know Disney won’t completely abandon any character they own.

bearwitness

I know I enjoyed this movie the first time I saw it, but I basically ruined it for myself almost instantly after it came out. It was the last week of the school year, and I had acquired a VCD bootleg of the new-in-theaters hit movie Shrek. Unfortunately, Shrek's runtime was slightly shorter than the extra-long block scheduled periods that made up my school day and we had nothing to do in any of my classes, so every period, someone would make it known that I had the bootleg and we would inevitably end up watching this damned thing start to finish. I watched Shrek eight times over the course of two days before the bootleg ended up tragically "lost". I went from liking it to being utterly sick of everything about it literally overnight, and it took me years to willingly sit down with it again. I still probably think it's a little bit better than you guys do, but I'm here to say that the short-lived boost in popularity I got from being The Shrek Haver was not worth the pain of living through total Shrek immersion.

marathedemon

I think its time for a shre-boot. Give shrek an illumination style soft shapes/bright colors redesign, get a pete davidson or a john mulaney to voice him, and tell a better story in a world with stylized human beings that don’t look like soullless mannequins. the millenials will see it for the ironic meme potential, and the zoomers will identify with shreks outcastness and just wanting to fit in. It’d make a billion dollars

Harry Thornton

As a Gen-Zer born in 1999, I, obviously, have far fonder memories of Shrek than you two do. Things like dated Matrix jokes didn't really bother me then because, well, I didn't even know what The Matrix was. That said, it is still fun hearing what you two think! In hindsight, Tim and Eric were trendsetters in using Shrek for "meme culture" as they're called now. Apparently the accent was based on his mother's voice when he'd read them bedtime stories. I still miss DVDs. And I remember watching the version of the film with that Karaoke Dance Party at the end, ironically on VHS! Correction: Over the Hedge was one of those "Shrek-esque" films made by Dreamworks. Another correction: E.T. was a Universal film, not a Paramount film! Oh man, some people are gonna be ticked off at both of you dissing Prince of Egypt, I know many who see that film as a masterpiece. One more correction: Elton John did the songs for Road to El Dorado, not Prince of Egypt. And they even got Tim Rice as well to do the lyrics, so of course they promoted the shit out of the fact that "the oscar-winning team from The Lion King" was doing the songs for the film. Clarification on the Medal of Honor/Dreamworks connection: The reason we don't hear about them anymore is that Dreamworks literally just let the game studio get bought by EA, and were renamed a couple of times before they were totally dissolved after the last modern-day Medal of Honor game flopped. Antz... eugh, even as a kid I didn't like it, and I doubt it'd hold up on a rewatch. And thanks for giving Bug's Life more credit, that was the one I VASTLY preferred. Funny you guys should mention Master of Disguise, because Dana Carvey actually DOES do a Shrek impression at one point in that film. Thanks for highlighting fellow kiwi Andrew Adamson's contributions to the film! He really hasn't done much after the second Narnia film he directed, Prince Caspian, didn't do well, which is a shame. Besides Shrek 4D (which, yes, is still at Universal Studios Florida even though it's closed almost everywhere else) their actually IS a proper Shrek dark ride at Motiongate Dubai, based on the first film. That park has its own weird history, being one of the few things to come out of a push to make Dubai a worldwide theme park destination like Florida is, but it hasn't done too well even before COVID hit. Funny you should mention Tangled and Shrek, because an earlier version of that film was gonna be an outright Shrek-style spoof where a modern girl and boy find themselves in the roles of Rapunzel and the Prince. That “scenes instead of characters” pipeline for the animators goes back to Toy Story, where they’d similarly assign scenes to animators. Basically it’s because, unlike in 2D films, they don’t have to keep the characters “onmodel” because the model is always the same, though as you guys note it does create this other problem where the performance isn't totally consistent from scene to scene. Thank you both for crediting the ANIMATORS of Gollum on LOTR and not just Andy Serkis, that's something so many people missed with all the publicity. The appendices on those extended edition DVDs of those films really drive home how much input the animators had in crafting the performance. As Bob sorta alludes to, motion capture was still developing, so facial capture was literally impossible to do. So ALL of Gollum's facial expressions are animated by hand, no dots-on-faces quite yet! The fact Broadway performers often have to be really fit to perform does create these really funny disparities in character vs. actor. Great example: Ethan Slater, the actor playing the titular character in the Spongebob musical has these huge biceps on his arms, so you have this dorky, wacky character with arms like an olympic gymnast. I... didn't even realise how much those "fairy tale characters are now imprisoned and rounded up" jokes would age in the era of increasing awareness over ICE, holy shit. Ironically, when Disney adapted Peter Pan back in the '50s it wasn't yet in the public domain, and they actually had to pay the St. Ormond Children's Hospital to get the rights. This first donkey scene sticks out in my mind because there's a bit in the Will Smith version of I Am Legend where his character is shown to have watched it so much to the point of memorization, where he can just quote an entire scene as this kid he's with watches it. He quips: "I like Shrek," which I'm sure the original book's author, Richard Matheson, always wanted to see. Another correction: The eventual director of Prince of Egypt/Mars Needs Moms is actually Simon Wells, who's also the grandson of H.G. Wells. And I too am REALLY curious to see you guys tackle that. I'll say about the "Hallelujah" song's use in the trailer for the Justice League Snyder cut: It was Zack's daughter's favourite song ever, and the song's use in the trailer is like a sweet tribute to her as she sadly committed suicide.

Manic Rainbow

I am one of those cursed children from 1995 who grew up with this film. I don’t remember 9’11 but I remember seeing this in the theater. My dad loved shrek even more than I did, probably thought it was a breath of fresh air after sitting through all the Disney movies he didn’t really enjoy. I agree with all of your criticisms, but I still do have a lot of nostalgia for this flick. I do think shrek 2 is much better, and really fills in a lot of holes left from the first one. I hope you guys cover it eventually.

Elijah Elliott

Just wanted to share my “Shrek” horror story. Went to a sleepover and my friend can’t sleep in silence. So he excitedly popped in his new Shrek DVD for us to watch as we drifted into dreamland. But once the film ended it goes back to the menu where donkey is jumping up and down yelling “pick me”. So cause I am a nice friend and if I turned the dvd off he would wake up. so I suffered through that menu on repeat all night long. so that menu is haunted/ burned in my brain. I hope others had similar moments with that awful menu.

Blargh

Thinking of the resettlement I think of what’s happening in Palestine :(

JoshuaMartian

As a Shrek apologist I would like to tease out the logic of Fiona's curse that seemed to be a sticking point for Bob. Her curse was to transform into an Ogre every night, basically to test if anyone who claimed to love her would be able to look beyond appearances. Ironically, her parents couldn't and taught her to hide her Ogre side at all costs. And I don't think it's unreasonable to think that Fiona's parents simply made up a convenient witch to explain the curse, so that Fiona wouldn't rightfully resent them for locking her in a tower for her entire life, rather than simply loving their ogre daughter. The logic behind Fiona's transformation at the end is in the line "Until you find true love's first kiss; And then take love's true form". I feel this implies there wasn't a preordained form she was destined to take when she breaks the curse; she took the form of an ogre, because she found true love with an ogre. I theorise if she had fallen in love with someone human (or any species, because apparently, that happens in the Shrek universe!), she would have taken on their form. Could have been interesting to explore the idea that there's a curse on Fiona's family that passes from parent to child. In my headcanon, Fiona's Dad was cursed to become a frog every night but made a deal with the Fairy Godmother to cure him rather than waiting for true loves kiss because of his internalised belief that nobody could love somebody cursed to be nonhuman, a belief he would then instil in his daughter. I don't think I'll ever think Shrek is a bad movie but this podcast did point out a lot of flimsiness to the jokes and plot I hadn't been able to perceive through 20 years of nostalgia. Your Friend and Shrek Scholar, Josh Marchant

KaiserBeamz

At age 10, I was the perfect age to see this in theaters. In fact, I think I remember seeing both this and Atlantis: The Lost Empire made kid-me think that the 00s we're gonna be THE decade for animated movies (it wasn't). But now that I'm far more critical of Shrek, I've been wrestling with the thought as to why critics were so enamored with this movie to the point of ignoring its flaws in storytelling, while they were far more critical of 2D animated Disney movies released in this same time period, despite having moved away from Renaisance-style movies and arguably having tighter stories? Was the Hollywood hype machine really that strong? Was it the fact that Jeffery Katzenberg had better clout than Eisner? Or was it the fact that critics preferred the hyper-realistic 3D style because it made them forget they were watching an animated feature film?

Jonathon

Great episode. I don't think I've seen Shrek since it was originally out in theaters and this was probably the best way to relive it. I had to laugh at how 4 hours were spent on the 90 minute movie, but the background on how and why the film was made was really interesting. Also, the multiple times it was phrased that Fiona would be an ogre all the time, all I could think in my head was "Fiona wants to ogre all the time, ogre all the time, ogre all the tiiiiime". I hope I'm not the only one.

RB

The great what a cartoon podcasts 🎶Don’t stop comin and they don’t stop comin🎶😎

Rhomega

Farquaad's motive is that he wants the perfect kingdom, but unfortunately this isn't expanded on enough. Do other kings think little of him? Is he trying to live up to the legacy of his parents? Also, Shrek the Third is the first movie I saw by myself in a theater.

Tricia

I was six when Shrek came out and it at least the decade of All Star when I was in grade school bc my class had to sing a Christmas version of it for the school pageant a few years later

MilesDX

I remember when the first Hulk movie came out Hershey put out green chocolate syrup. And in recent memory, Walmart had a store exclusive green Nickelodeon slime katchup. It's, just one of those things I think it's best not to question.

Tricia

Even though I still enjoy Shrek, I was enjoying Bob’s grumbling through this, and thank you Henry for balancing things out

crystalhearts

This came out when I was 13 which means I watched it and enjoyed it but I have zero nostalgia for this damn ogre and his thin plot

christopher

I never actually watched Shrek, so thank you for doing this podcast so I never have to! Something about the color pallete, so many browns and greens, wasn't appealing to me. That, on top of the character designs and Mike Myers, I never had a desire to watch it. Being so far removed from it now and how it's become such a joke, I forgot it was legitimately popular and successful in it's time! Loved the history segment as usual and the time and energy it takes to put these podcasts together. I always look forward to listening to them!