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Talking Simpsons - Lisa The Greek With Alex Navarro (Patreon)

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2022-11-16 05:00:04
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It's your football lock of the week as we welcome back our pal Alex Navarro from Nextlander to discuss the intersection of gambling and fatherhood. We not only talk a ton of behind-the-scenes details of the real-life football bets that inspired this ep, we also gab about halftime shows, shows premiering after the Super Bowl, beer bottles playing sports, and tons more. So grab some baloney and bread for this Super Sunday Brunch Spectacular of a podcast!

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Matthew

Would love to see Jon Bois guest on a future pod.

Tyler

The Super Bowl is always played in the evening, so unless the church was an evening service, no one would be there when it was on.

My Brother, My Captain, My Podcast

I have an anecdote about this episode and my first encounter with Jehovah's Witnesses. I watched this episode live when it aired, and I was in second grade at the time. The following day in music class, when one of my classmates handed me a sheet of music, I told him to "Go to hell" for no other reason than I heard it on Bart's buzzer the night before. Little did I know he was a Jehovah's Witness, which at the time meant nothing to me as a Hindu-raised child. This kid absolutely lost his shit, and threatened me all day with telling teachers what I said, both in music class and later back in home room. I was a goody-two-shoes and was able to beg him to spare me, but later another one of my friends explained to me that Jehovah's Witnesses are a certain way and why this one kid freaked out on me. If he was offended, he took his revenge out on me on our next field trip, where on the bus he'd explain to me and my best friend (a Muslim) about how God is going to lift up his chosen people and squish all the non-believers into the ground. It freaked me out for a bit, but then I remembered I don't believe any of that stuff anyway and went on my merry way.

Kat Heagberg

It didn't dawn on me how ubiquitous sports betting has become until the writers' room stories came up. Until about a year ago I worked for a yoga comany, and even there, football betting in the office was huge. Like there was even a Slack channel for it. I tried to join in for a week or two, but I had too much actual work to do, and also, like Bob, I have no real moral objection to gambling, I just don't think it's fun. The one time I tried the slot machines at a casino, I gave myself a ten-dollar limit, and I got annoyed and bored after five spending/losing five. I guess I'm glad there's at least one vice I don't need to worry about.

To Boldly Joe... Moore

I could have sworn I'd heard the "Broken Neck Blues" riff from somewhere before. Must be a false memory. 🤣

Blargh

This episode came in time in which multi millionaire Jim macginvale, known famously in Houston as mattress Mack won over 75 million dollars in betting for the Astros to win this years World Series against the Phillies. Mattress Mack is beloved in Houston, and has let families sleep at his massive furniture store during hurricane Harvey in 2017. What people forget that mattress Mack supports far right politicians and is a used “wacky promotions” to cover for his compulsive gambling such as giving away free furniture if certain teams won. I believe he bet that Sylvester turner would win the mayoral election in Houston (which he won) and mattress Mack made his money.

Steve D

The notorious Jimmy the Greek clip was a frequent sound drop on the Stern show.

Nathaniel Lockhart

Just a heads up - the guest stated the Bills lost three Super Bowls in a row, but it was actually FOUR. I'm a native of Western/Upstate NY (by way of Rochester) and yes, a Bills fan. My dad actually went to the first Bills SB with Norwood kicking the field goal attempt wide right on the final play of the game to lose 20 - 19. He later said he knew he would miss it, as apparently Norwood wasnt looking great in the pre-game warm ups. Needless to say, this pain runs very, very deep, and was even worse during the Bills' record 18 years without a single playoff appearance.

Chris Dobson

Well since someone in the comments has to explain it as per your joking statement about explaining bets. Let's take a game this weekend, the Ravens hosting the Panthers. The Ravens are one of the best teams and at home, while the Panthers are 3-7. So if you were to play the game 10 times, the odds are the Ravens win probably 8-9 times out of 10. In a true pick-'em, all the money would be on the Ravens, so that if you were to place a bet today, you'd need to bet $700 to make $100 (that's what -700 means). Instead of using that line, which is not a smart bet, you'd bet for or against the spread (13 points). So if the Ravens win 30-20, the Panthers still "cover" the bet because they were within 13. So Lisa is telling a story, the team has already won by 3, and, instead of just taking a knee and winning, decides to kick a meaningless field goal that lets them win by six, a thing that doesn't matter to anyone except chronic gamblers.

Jason Lew

Apparently there were a couple of Propositions on the California ballot that not-so-subtly convinced us that they would turn all of our phones into gambling machines. Guess our phones are safe for now!

Rhomega

The church joke is funny because I went to my church's Super Bowl party for Super Bowl XXXVI in 2002. This was after I got into football after learning how it was played thanks to NFL Fever 2002 on the Xbox. PS. Go Dallas

littleterr0r

There's still at least one old dome left in my sorta area with the Tacoma Dome up in...Tacoma. My wife went there recently to see My Chemical Romance and remarked at how odd it was inside because there wasn't any kind of entryway you just walked in and there it all was.

littleterr0r

You brought up gambling in video games, I just got to an area in Omori called Last Resort where you can play slot machines just like in all those other great games you mentioned.

Eli Hernandez

By the way Bob, that fan that ate Horse poop, was from Cleveland, not Philadelphia. It happened in 2016 after the Cleveland Cavaliers won their first NBA championship.

Andrew Giachetti

Chiming in from the Philly area, as someone who lived through the previous Phillies win and the eagles win (damn flyers let me down) and even this most recent Phillies appearance, the podcast is underselling our capacity to completely destroy something in celebration. Before the eagles Super Bowl appearance, they ran ads on tv in which an older man begged people not to riot. He asked “is this what champions would do”. This probably betrays my local bias, but I thought it was really funny. I will also say they podcast undersells our ability to come together in a positive wAy, even if it is in the weird Philly way. There were massive celebrations over a continuous quarter of the state when the eagles won. I literally got a paid day off of work for the parade. And even when the Phillies lost this year, the next day every one turned their attention to a guy who was eating a rotisserie chicken every day, for how ever many days he could. People were coming up to watch him eat, day after day. Philly is great.

Lockerus

A relative of mine was a body paint person at a football game a while back. They were at a Seahawks game, a no-prize for anyone who guesses what they dressed up as.

SomeBloke

I am not a football fan, but I am a soccer fan - so I guess I am a football fan - who lived in the Czech Republic for several years. No matter how ubiquitous people think ads for sports betting have become here in the US (and it's definitely noticeable, don't get me wrong), it's insignificant compared to the deluge of ads we would get during matches over there. The Czech national league is literally sponsored by a gambling app company (this is not exactly uncommon, as for example the English lower division is also sponsored by a betting company), so their ads and name are everywhere, and commercial breaks for every league are nothing but gambling apps, some not even sports related. Meanwhile no one is allowed to advertise alcoholic beverages on TV, presumably to protect the children. It's a mind-boggling thing to behold as an expat. This is all a long way of saying that Moe handling all of the booking is the really weird part of this premise these days no matter where you live.

Ben

“Everyone was very aware of that episode because it had aired 15 years before they were pitching it. You probably remember something that aired in 2006?” - from the podcast about an episode aired 1/23/92, 30 years ago

Joe Hodgson

All you need to know about point spreads is that it's just a way to make sure Vegas (or bookie) wins more than they lose. If bookies just let the public pick a winner, they would likely win more than they lose so they tack on a point spread. Everyone knows Team A is better than Team B, but are they 3 points better? 6? 12? Sports betting is currently a big topic where I live in Massachusetts where it has been illegal up until recently. I think it's finally going into effect next year, but for now, if you were to drive over the state line to NH on a Sunday morning you'll find lots of people pulled over in their cars firing up Fan Duel or something similar on their phone in order to place bets. Once it is legal in MA, there are probably lots of bars in NH that won't be too happy about it.

Dylan (batmanboy11) Freitag

Quick story up front which might be a confession of illicit activity (though the statute of limitations is CERTAINLY passed by now). In eighth grade, a bunch of acquaintances and I set up a betting pool for the NHL play-offs of the year (2010, if you want to feel old), where we picked teams and players and put down a set amount ($10 a person I think? so it totalled just over $100) and would get points based on teams winning, tying, or losing, and how well individual players performed. At the time it was just an excuse to be a part of something and have added reason to watch hockey when I thought I actually cared about it (yes, I'm Canadian, but I'm also queer, so it cancels out), but in retrospect there's surely some kind of law against a bunch of 13 and 14 year olds running this over lunch periods and on a Facebook group. -- Anyway, while obviously gambling CAN be a serious problem and ruin lives, even as a kid I never understood the ridiculous MORALIZING against it. If there's some kind of restriction upon it and you do it in moderation, I really don't give two shits if someone chooses to gamble or not. It's not like cigarettes or something where the harm in doing it at all is essentially *assured* to harm you, and outside of cases like lootbox systems that are meant to target kids, if adults wanna blow some money then why not?

Byron Lagrone

here's my stab at a definition of the point spread and the over/under, a classic example of exclusionary language that gets easier once you try it a few times: The point spread is a symmetrical number between two teams playing against each other. The number represents the points as expressed in the sport (points for football, runs for baseball, etc) that the favored team must clear. So, if the then-Houston Oilers are favored to win against Homer's benighted Denver Broncos, the spread might be given as Oilers -3.5 / Broncos +3.5 (typically stated verbally as 'the [plus/minus] 3.5 [team]' or 'the Broncos are dogs by 3.5' translating to '+3.5', etc). If you placed a bet on the Oilers to cover the spread, they would need to win by 4 or more (half-points aren't given in football); if you placed the bet on the underdog Broncos they would need to lose by 3 points or fewer _or_ win outright (the Broncos winning would count as 'losing by less than 3.5 points'). The over/under is a _total_ number of points scored, again typically expressed in the modern era as a half-point like "38.5" -- if both teams score a combined total of 39 points or more, those who bet the 'over' win; if 38 or fewer points are scored those who bet the 'under' win. Two additional thought on this that come to mind -- 1. Odds against the player are typically bad enough that if you are a bettor familiar with the sport you tend to place 'parlay' bets -- multiple bets that must all win for you to be paid out in which the odds shift (often dramatically) in your favor -- e.g. you might bet $5 and win $3 if you correctly predict the over/under on a single game, but you might bet $5 and win $50 if you can chain your correct predictions on the over/under or point spread on several games 2. You most often see a half-point or otherwise 'impossible' number of points given in a spread because the alternative is a possible number of points in which the player and the house might tie. When this happens it is sometimes referred to as a 'push' or a 'scratch' and the player's money is refunded (essentially 'nobody wins'). An example would be if the hypothetical Oilers/Broncos game had a 4-point spread and the Broncos lost by exactly 4, nobody wins money and everybody goes home a little sadder Finally, before the other commenters swarm me, I know that the Oilers are now the Tennessee Titans but at the time of Homer's ownership of the Broncos that move would not yet have taken place. I hope the Titans this year do good but we are at the top of the worst division in football, so ... here's to another likely first-round playoff exit :cheers:

Mitzula

As someone who is an oddsmaker in Vegas, yes it's an odd career path, but just goes to show that The Simpsons is for pretty much everyone, maybe I can help explain how the betting lines work. For Football the main 3 bets are Money Line, Point Spread, and Over/Under. The Money Line is connected to the Implied Probability of the team to win, the bigger they're a favorite the more you need to risk. In Suberbowl 26 Washington was the -300 favorite Meaning that a bettor would have to bet $300 to win $100 plus their wager back ($400 total) if they wanted Washington to win outright. If they thought Buffalo the +250 Underdog was going to win outright their $100 bet would win back $250, plus their $100 wager (350 total). Washington was 7 point favorites in the game, that meant if you took Washington Laying the 7 points (Washington -7) they had to win by 8 or more for you to win your bet. If you took Buffalo getting the points They could win the game outright or lose by 6 or less and your Buffalo +7 bet would cash. If Washington won the game by exactly 7 Points then bets on the spread would be a push. Spread betting almost always has -110 odds, meaning you have to bet $110 to win $100 ($210 total). Washington not only won the game outright but they also covered the spread they were 7 point favorites and won the game by 13 points. The Over/Under (aka Total) for the game was 48½ so you could bet if the teams combined would score more or less than that, so if you took the over you would have won as the game ended 37-24 (51 total points). I have included a link to a video I did on a friend's youtube channel explaining sports betting basics, it's a little long winded (a problem of mine) but I'm more than happy to answer any questions anyone has about sportsbetting. https://youtu.be/kM89v6cJ8g4 If you need any additional info you can hit me up on Twitter or Instagram I'm @Mitzula on both

Sean Ryan

This episode is where I truly bonded with the Simpsons. Years before I'd seen this episode, when I was a child, my mom had also said to me more than once something along the lines of, "If other kids do X, well then they're not your friends." In my mind I'd say, thanks Mom, I kinda did the math on that one. That knowledge doesn't stop them from still bullying me. But this moment in this episode made me at least feel seen and not alone in lame parenting moments.

notsmohqe

Guys, hearing you say “sportsball” and other such things is basically the nerd equivalent of some jock saying “Pokemans”. it’s cringey as fuck. I really wish you’d expand your guest possibilities and get someone on who is well versed in topics with which you are not. missed opportunities here and the KotH fishing episode among any others i forget