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Quick note - I've noticed a lot less comments on recent chapters, and I'm not sure whether to attribute that to a lack of engagement with the content or just the chapters not eliciting a lot of discussion. Either way, I tend to look at number of comments to determine whether something is working, so I'd love to know why some habitual commentors might not be discussion these latest chapters. Let me know!

In her past life, Carmen was no artist.  Most of her skills, focused on primitive living, were functional at best.  Before the world had changed, she’d considered herself a passable metalworker, though she’d lacked the expertise to truly call herself a blacksmith.  And her other skills were the result of her studies rather than true interest in their various processes. 

Of course, that had changed alongside the world, and she’d delved deeper into blacksmithing than she’d ever thought possible.  Her system-granted skills gave her insight into metallurgy and metalworking that would have been unthinkable on pre-World Tree Earth.  For instance, through Blacksmith’s Instincts, she could sense the underlying composition of any metal – which was particularly useful when she was creating alloys.  Knowing an ingot’s precise structure gave her the ability to meticulously plan each blend of metals. 

Despite those abilities – and her plethora of experience working with metal – she lacked the foundation, built over a lifetime, of a person who’d always been committed to the craft.  Because of that, her progress had always been slow.  She was the world’s most powerful Blacksmith – a Forgemaster, after she’d reached ascension – but there were still others out there who knew more about the craft.  Old masters who’d spent decades honing their skills.

For her part, Carmen still felt like barely more than a novice.

What’s more, she finally knew what it was like to be an artist.  Evolving skills – both mundane and system granted – meant that, when she looked at her old work, she saw nothing but mistakes.  It was like a master painter looking at stick figures, which meant it was very difficult to appreciate the artistry of her old self.

So it was with the Forge of Creation.

“It ain’t that complicated,” Kurik said, sitting nearby and twisting wire around itself.  It would one day become part of a trap, though not one that would display the full breadth of his abilities.  That lofty goal would require more natural materials, which he refused to waste on a project he kept referring to as something to keep his hands busy. 

Otherwise, he’d made himself entirely at home, kicking up his feet and reclining on the leather couch in Carmen’s office.  The piece of furniture had definitely seen better days, largely because Carmen had a habit of plopping down, heedless of the embers clinging to her oft-singed clothing.  In her defense, she barely felt that level of heat anymore. 

Meanwhile, Carmen sat on the edge of her desk, incredibly frustrated.

“It sounds complicated to me,” she stated, trying not to roll her eyes.  “Those matrices –”

“They’re not one-size-fits-all,” he interrupted.  “They’re just examples.”

“I heard you the first time.”

“But you ain’t listenin’.”

“I said I –”

“There’s a difference ‘tween hearin’ and listenin’.  You ain’t doin’ the second one,” he pointed out.

“That’s stupid.”

He shrugged.  “Don’t make it not true.”

Carmen let out a sigh. 

“Don’t go sighin’ at me.  I’m just the messenger.”

“You just told me that the entire Forge of Creation is going to need to be rebuilt, almost from the ground up.  I think more than a sigh is warranted,” she said. 

“Or you could just let it be,” Kurik suggested.  “It’ll last for a few years the way it is.  Ain’t nothin’ on Earth can really compete with it.  Not in craftin’.  But it ain’t gonna last forever.  The foundations are flawed.  No two ways about it.  Don’t matter if you do it now or later, it’ll eventually need to be fixed.”

“I should go to Kalki.”

“No need.  Miss Pandey’s comin’ here in a coupla days,” he said.  “And she’s bringin’ a bunch of experts with her.”

“I really wish you wouldn’t have invited her,” Carmen muttered.  The woman was one of the most powerful people in the world – top ten, at least – and her insights would no doubt prove invaluable.  However, Carmen couldn’t help but wonder just what she wanted from Ironshore.  There was almost no way she was going to help out of the goodness of her heart, so it was reasonable to expect that she had some ulterior motive.

“She invited her ownself,” he pointed out.  “Like I said – I ain’t nothin’ but a messenger here.  ‘sides, she’s a good person, and she wants to help.  That’s good enough for me.”

“But it’s not your creation on the line.”

“There is that.  Wouldn’t want to be in your shoes,” he acknowledged.  “But if you want my advice?”

“Sure.”

“Go into the meetin’ with an open mind,” he said.  “I was only in Kalki for a few months, and in that time, I learned more ‘bout ethereal matrices than I’d learned over the course of my whole life.  You learn even half as much as I did, and the Forge of Creation’ll live up to the whole, ‘wonder of the world’ label.”

Carmen shook her head.  “Fine,” she said.  “But I’m still skeptical.”

“As well you should be.  I think you’ll be surprised, though,” he said before pushing himself upright.  He climbed to his feet and went on, “But I spent too long here already.  If I don’t get home soon, Carissa’ll shave my beard.”

The image of a beardless dwarf brought a smile to Carmen’s face, though it faded soon after Kurik left her office.  As much as she wanted to believe that Anupriya Pandey could help take the Forge of Creation to the next level, she feared that there were other machinations afoot.

“Or maybe I’m just afraid of finding out I’m not as smart as I thought I was,” she muttered to herself.  Of course, she already knew that the Forge of Creation had been based on a series of flawed concepts.  But being aware of that and having someone point it out, and in great detail, was something else entirely. 

In the end, though, Carmen wanted what was best for what had become her home.  The Forge of Creation wasn’t just a defining feature of Ironshore.  It affected everything, giving the city an identity that it had otherwise lacked.  And if the rest of the world outpaced its viability, then Ironshore would suffer.

Carmen refused to accept that, and if preventing that eventuality meant she had to swallow her pride and accept the help of a powerful stranger, then so be it.  With that in mind, she retrieved the old plans for the Forge of Creation and got to work cataloguing all of the mistakes they’d made.

                          *

Sadie pulled back her hand and smiled at the young girl she’d just healed.  Her affliction hadn’t been very serious, but the other Healers in the Temple of Virtue wouldn’t have been able to cleanse the infection without a significant time investment.  Sadie had managed it in a couple of hours.

“You need to be careful when you go outside the city,” she said.  “You know how to feel ethera, right?”

The girl nodded self-seriously.  She was no more than seven, though like so many others who’d been born into the changed world, she lacked the context to know just how dangerous things could get.  After all, she’d spent most of her life inside Argos’ walls, where nothing could harm her.  Only when she’d snuck out to play with her friends had she contracted an ethereal infection that had very nearly killed her.

She didn’t even know where it had come from, though Sadie wasn’t certain if that was due to the girl’s age or some cleverly disguised contaminant.  For all she knew, her patient had been infected by drinking unclean water when she and her companions had gone swimming in a nearby creek. 

They were lucky not to have been eaten by some territorial beast.

“When you feel it thicken, get out of there as quickly as you can,” Sadie ordered.  “And no more sneaking out of the city.  It’s dangerous out there.”

“Yes, ma’am.”

Sadie glanced up at the child’s parents, who’d remained silent while she’d healed their daughter.  Doubtless, they blamed themselves for her infection.  “You did nothing wrong,” she said.  “Children are curious by nature, and the wilderness is enticing.  In the future, just try to keep a better watch.”

They assured her that they would, and soon enough, Sadie sent them on their way.  That left her alone, and inevitably, her thoughts turned to her most recent failures.  It had been months since she’d parted ways with Elijah, and in that time, not a single day had passed where she hadn’t felt guilty for sending him into that Primal Realm alone.

Sure, he had Hu Shui and Benedict with him, but they weren’t true allies.  They weren’t the sort of people who’d watch his back.  Both were afflicted with the sin of self-interest, and that was a generous assessment of their faults.  Benedict, at least, was a literal demon. 

She should have pushed her weakness aside and followed through with her plan to enter the Labyrinth of Dead Gods alongside Elijah.  If not for her own sake, then for his. 

But faced with the repercussions of her own nature, she’d succumbed.  She had lost control and been forced to recognize that, had she entered that Primal Realm, she would have become a liability.  And Sadie had enough experience in those deathtraps to know that none of them could afford something like that.

Rationally, she knew all of that.

However, reason was nothing when faced with the all-encompassing potency of true guilt. 

To assuage those feelings, she’d retreated to the one place she felt truly at home – the Temple of Virtue.  When she’d set out from Kalki, she hadn’t even known where she was going.  That ignorance had persisted until she had reached the Conclave Spires and bought passage to Argos.  Though in retrospect, her choice made perfect sense. 

The Hartwood Grove was her home, but without Elijah there, she felt no real connection to the place.  The same was true of Ironshore, Svetogorsk, or Hong Kong.  She had friends or family in all three locations, but none made her feel like she belonged. 

Not like the Temple of Virtue. 

Obviously, that was due to how her core cultivation had changed the tree and the temple itself.  But in her state, she didn’t really care about the reasons.  All she wanted was to feel comfortable so she could address her own inadequacy.

The vehicle by which she did so was to work in the temple, just like any of the other Healers.  While she wasn’t as specialized as they were, her high level and recently advanced core gave her spells enough added potency that she could keep up with the workload. 

And against all odds, she had found some degree of peace.  There was something hypnotic and extraordinarily rewarding about healing people, and it reminded her of the days when such things felt much more important.  Saving one life tended to lose its effect when she routinely fought to save hundreds, thousands, or even millions. 

But there was value in it, even if it didn’t always seem so.

After the little girl and her parents left, Sadie checked to see if there were any other patients waiting to be treated.  There weren’t, so she retreated to her favorite place – next to what she now referred to as the Tree of Order.  Whether it was the peaceful atmosphere surrounding it or the fact that it resonated so strongly with her attunement, Sadie didn’t know.  But when she sat next to it, she felt a deep sense of belonging and rightness that she’d never experienced anywhere else.

It was in the shadow of its boughs that she always did her best thinking.

In this instance, she turned her thoughts to her future.  The fact was that she simply couldn’t keep going the way she was going.  If she tried, she would drive herself insane as she attempted to live up to other people’s expectations for what she would become. 

“What do I want?” she asked herself as she sat cross-legged in the courtyard.

The answer to that question was far from simple.  As a woman, she wanted to spend the rest of her days with Elijah, to marry him and perhaps start a family someday.  Not soon, but eventually.  However, the state of the world – as well as their often conflicting personalities – told her that that desire was little more than a silly fantasy.  Elijah was wrong for her in so many ways that it was a miracle they hadn’t killed one another yet. 

But she did love him, and he loved her as well.  That had to count for something.

Regardless, her entire being did not revolve around that relationship.  As important as it was, she still had other goals.  Other desires.  She wanted to save the planet from excisement, but it went deeper than that.  There was so much injustice in the world, and she felt driven to do something about that.

But did she have any right to take action? 

Did she dare not to?

In the end, she kept coming back to the Chorus of Angels and the facets of justice written into her mind cultivation.  And slowly, an idea began to form.  It was not something that would come to fruition anytime soon.  In fact, it would mostly remain in her thoughts until the threat of excisement had faded. 

Justice.  Order.  Laws.  They all coalesced into a singular vision that she hoped would light the way for all of humanity.  She only needed to stay the course to find out.

Comments

Arusalan

Not a habitual commenter, but we are approaching year end so people are likely more exhausted than usual

Gronk

Uh oh, I don't see Sadie trying to enforce the Chorus's idea of morality of the world working well on multiple fronts

Bakerbob

I wish Sadie the best. If she ever decide to leave Elijah, who'll have custody of the tree of order?

Ron Whitlatch

I think the recent PR is cool but we are getting a similar pov as the other ones. And given that it is especially esoteric and magical, and our main pov is neither of those things, it might be nice to get a Hu Shui or Benedict pov so we can learn whats happening.

Lizy Flore

I stopped commenting because I’m simply enjoying. Usually I only comment when something stand out to me and I want to talk about it - whether it’s about the story, the characters or the writing - or to react to someone else’s comment. You could read that as the fact that nothing really outstanding is happening OR as the fact that nothing’s wrong and I’m just riding that wave of good chappies.

Dan K

Hmmmm. This new revelation for Sadie could be very good or very bad…

Patrick

Not commenting as much for no particular reason. Primal Realms are starting to feel like a bit of a grind/filler to read though. Dax dying in the first one was the peak, then the second one Elijah soloed. After that, only the dragon realm held much interest for me.

Barbieduck

Love the story, The current Arc feels like a lull, You've presented that Elijah is ready to move on and that he's too big for the Earth. The primal realms feel like they are a forgone conclusion after the broken crown. I'm waiting for the next real adventure to kick off, empire of scale or real threat coming to earth. It feels like you set the stage for the next evolution but we haven't started it. There are no major issues on earth, the political order is heading in a good direction with no indications of issues, and Elijah already said the primal realms are going to be handled. The only major arcs are Sadie & Elijah's relationship, going to the Empire of Scale and a post primal realm earth political solution. I feel like I'm waiting for things to wrap up and then the reset as Elijah move's to a bigger pond and is no longer the biggest fish. Hope my opinion helps!

James

Not a commenter normally but want to give my perspective on this. I think there is less engagement in recent chapters because it feels like this whole “arc” of Elijah being on earth is winding down and coming to an end. He has peaked in power, no one can really challenge him and personally I’m waiting for when he leaves to the dragon worlds as the next exciting thing. You’ve essentially tied up most plot lines on Earth (not a bad thing since I imagine Elijah is moving on soon) so everyone is just waiting for the next big thing to start. For me, the only big plot points I’m waiting on are Elijah becoming a Demi god and what the conclusion on his and Sadie’s relationship will be. Still enjoying the story, we’re just past the peak of excitement for the Earth arc and waiting for the next one.

James

Will also add a possibly less popular opinion - for me the primal realm arcs generally overstay their welcome a bit, so getting ready to wait longer than I want for Elijah to leave Earth.

Hauke Sattler

I have a very bad feeling about Sadie's vision of 'Justice. Order. Laws.' "Some of the worst things imaginable have been done with the best intentions"

blue turtle

It's been a bit,but wasn't the forgetting of creation, a growth type.Starting from scratch seems a bit excessive; would upgrading it's internal matrix it's be a better solution, and possibly tie it to Carmen cultivation similar to what Elijah did with his cultivation would be cool.

LostinLimbo

yeah, the dragon one was pretty epic and felt like the climax of the PR arc, this feels meh afterwards. I was thinking it would at least be Elijah learning more about spells/stretching his abilities but it is Elijah smashing things while the others solve puzzles so far, which is on par for Elijah but after the dragon PR (and all the other ones) doesn't have the same oomph. Primal realms are feeling more like something to get through in order to get to more interesting stuff (demi god upgrade, post primal realm Earth, green mountain guild shenanigans, grove expansion, EoS arc, etc..).

Matthew

The reason I haven’t commented recently is, the current arc is not interesting to me. I think having Sadie leave made it boring. Especially since I saw coming as soon as she said she was going.

L. K. Minaget

Agree with Jame Have been skipping the chapters, nothing of note. A filler for me. I think you have reach a point that this type of activity is not interesting anymore. I would have like you skipping the PR, showing earth or empire of scales setting stage. Just IMO.

Achis74

You could have put like another primal realm into the volume and you present the primal realms to strong if the ether on earth is getting to problematic for Elijah why are the primal realms challenging him so much and why is he brute forcing everyone of them I thought this will be way different

BBjace

I'm glad to see some acknowledgement on Sadie and Elijah's relationship, it felt like it was getting stale for a moment there. Even if they don't stay together, it's nice to see how they've grown together.

Diarmuid McGinnity

Same here, the PRs lack a bit of oomph. I appreciate that you’re trying to keep it fresh by changing up the PRs but there’s only so many times “ Elijah fought this monster that was the strongest he’d ever faced and he struggled for hours but actually he won easily” can be entertaining. What I would’ve liked to see is Elijah absolutely smoke a pr super quickly. He was soloing chimera island like a hundred levels ago and his advancement has surely outpaced the PRs rise in difficulty. If we do see him do the final couple PRs it’d be cool to see him just steamroll through without even trying to do them conventionally, like with these challenges

Jeremy Patrick

Ive been letting chapters build up lol

Archivist0

One reason is Patreon earlier this week made another change to encourage using their APP. There is no longer a link on the emails sent out to the post on Patreon. There is only a button to take you to the APP. While you do not do this other authors are not including the text of the chapter in email push. This now requires me to go to Patreon's laggy website and then search for the post to read it. I am seriously thinking of dropping all the authors that don't send their chapter text out and maybe saying goodbye to Patreon entirely. Every upgrade they make is a step in the wrong direction for me. I really wish RoyalRoad would start their own service. I am sure they could take half of what Patreon does and still be extremely profitable.

CF_32

Not a regular commenter, but a regular reader - I think a lot of comments have captured my sentiment dead on, which is that this now the fifth Primal Realm that we are getting from Elijah’s POV, if I’ve counted correctly. And this is not at all a critique on the writing, but as has been said above, there’s only so many ways to conquer and write these primal realm arcs with these small parties (for what it’s worth, I did love the POV chapters for the Troll and Hobgoblin primal realms). And doing this now after the Dragon Primal Realm, it does kinda feel like there really should be no struggle for Elijah to conquer the combat trials in this one (also, Benedict and Hu Shui should both be bloodstains on the wall with what we understand of Elijah’s power verses their own, the types of threats they’re facing.) I am interested in how long this arc is planned for - if it’s another month in this PR or another Primal Realm arc after this one, I’ll be honest chief, it’s gonna be a struggle. I’m much more interested in what’s coming with the ascension to Demigod and going to the Empire of Scale currently

JayZombieX

I don't normally comment, but I liked that all the primal realms had cultivation challenges or lessons. Elijah left the previous primal realms knowing more about himself, his cultivation, and about magic. I lost some interest in this arc when he seemingly gave up on understanding. When he said looking at the flows of magic is like looking like advanced equations, and completely meaningless if felt like he just gave up and the only thing he'll gain from the PR is a single level and maybe some equipment

weston dewald

Primal realm fatigue, I love this series, but I dont think I can do another one. Regardless of whose POV its from. The realms and everything else on earth have proven they arent really a problem for Elijah, while the time constraint does add some 'tension' it honestly just feels like busy work to me. We already know he is leaving to go to the empire of scale so he can continue growing. Everything between now and then feels like filler, as my main draw (for better or worse) is watching Elijah grow. Just 1 opinion. Keep up the writing, it has overall been a fantastic ride so far.

Diego Rodriguez

This might be random but I wonder how high Elijah's cultivation has to reach before he can offer to give someone a dragon core. We know that his was granted by a transcendent with very advanced cultivation and the other elder races who granted cores seemed to be of a similar level. I wonder if they needed to be this powerful just to grant the core or if it was because only beings of their level could grant a core from across the universe with the system shielding their world. For example it would be cool if Elijah was able to give a member of the grove a dragon core as long as they were both in front of the ancestral tree. They have stated that he is a truly a dragon now so it would be interesting if he could do this.

KnightVali3nt

Got to agree with a bit of primal realm fatigue.

Shyx

I do feel the power levels and balance don't add up. Considering his strength in the previous PRs before his core upgrade (and dragon form), it gives the feeling like he should be smashing through these. Not struggle while people who are arguably significantly weaker "help". His class has a high rarity too. I've seen similar comments in some chapters. This at least makes me skim through chapters and then save them up. Maybe others are having similar feelings. I just hope that he will hit 250 here and then speedrun the remaining PRs in a few chapters.

DeadSlime

Probably less comments due to the receptiveness of Primal Realms as well as their being a lot less lore I feel compared to other PR with us normally getting some of the inhabitants interacting with Elijah. But at the moment there really hasn’t been much worldbuilding to incite discussion and at the moment I just want Elijah to get it over with. The Time loop also felt really dull since we just kinda skimmed over it and had like no tension. Would have preferred it not being a time loop and having Elijah die a bunch of times then have him now just plough through them seems a bit weird even with foreknowledge considering how a normal automaton could kill Elijah easily at the start. I also was really looking forward to Elijah learning new ways to manipulate ethera and it has just been Elijah killing everything while Benedict’s and Hui just complete all the interesting puzzles which seems to be the bread and butter of this PR. So, Elijah also feels like a bit of an extra at some points despite manipulating ethera being important for druids for influencing plants and that is at least on the same complexity as summoning demons or creating a spire. With spire creation being linked into the world tree which Elijah should definitely have more affinity than Hui considering Soul of the Wild.

Robert Rosenthal

I find the primal realms a grind to read (and for the characters to complete), so I was letting them build up a bit rather than staying on top of them.

Francesco M.

If I have to point one thing out it is that primal realms don't really add that much to the story. I mean the dragon primal realm was absolutely amazing, but the current one is a bit of a grind to read. And with Elijah being so ahead of everyone else I was hoping this would be a relatively easy one. Maybe with him learning stuff about magic and whatnot... And there are still two more PRs... At this point in time to me it's just waiting for this Primal Realm to be done so we can move on with the plot. All of that said, the story is still amazing and I'm still reading every single chapter that comes out.

Ink's Muse

The Primal Realms feel too strong for the world and too weak for Elijah, and that incongruity makes them feel like authorial fiat for *Elijah* to conquer rather than a real challenge to the world. There are also too many primal realms taking up page real estate and while we do learn interesting things in them the "stakes" are always so minimal. Nearly everything and every realm-based-character is irrelevant to the future plot. I had this problem with Towers earlier on in the story and had to take a break to skip past them. Im still enjoying the story, but modt primal realm chapters feel like a paragraph of meaningful storystuff even though you wrote a whole chapter.

Nate Bates

I'm not necessarily an avid commentor, but I stopped reading halfway through this primal realm's chapters until they're all posted and I can skim past them. I think people have been commenting similarly for a while.

Ali Sha

I actually really like the primal realms. I think maybe just because it is number 5 there just isn’t as much to talk about.

LordJJJ

Hard agree

LordJJJ

Feels like filler and something off with powerscaling. Not sure what the promise or the payoff is even supposed to be and whatever it currently is they aren't in alignment

Xavier Tademy

It feels like you are holding Elijah back to make it more interesting in all reality he should be able to smash through this primal realm. Just my opinion.

Xavier Tademy

I think it’s time for Elijah to hit 250 and move on.

Summas76

I think it was generally a mistake to decide that Elijah was the only one who could complete Primal Realms without catastrophic losses. Yes, he outstrips them completely in personal power, but they are not total infants. The troll realm should have been tough, with significant losses and grueling complications, but not borderline impossible. It really puts a damper on other characters being able to do ANYTHING, when there's always the spectre of Elijah hanging over them saying "No one would've died if Elijah did it for them." If you're going to have all these interesting side characters and give them POV chapters, then you eventually need to let them stand on their own and also contribute to moving the story along. Not every Primal Realm should fall on Elijah.

Summas76

If you don't let other characters show off and have their moments, then you're really missing amazing opportunities for incredible stories. Take Solomon the Porter in the Troll Realm; this man has one of the least combat capable classes, and yet he should have been a star in that primal realm narrative. Carrying the objective to the other side of zone is an incredible feat, and you could really play up the drama, have him trudge through active battlefields, stepping over corpses, etc. Heck, turn him into a John Henry -esque figure where he dies at the finish line. Make him a legend to the rest of that Primal Realm team, have Sadie or Miguel track down Solomon's son and tell him about his Father proverbially put their entire team on his back and carried them to the finish line against the odds when they should have died after losing the farmer's. A Porter who Conquered a Primal Realm.

Jay

The PRs feel played out. They're feeling like lines on a checklist. Part of that is Elijah becoming something of a Chosen One. I liked it more when he's was one among many rather than one over all. That's why I liked Sadie in Eternal War so much. She had her spotlight moments and it didn't take us dozens of chapters to make it thru the PR. I thought PRs would be a great way to showcase new and old side characters doing something cool. Instead here's Elijah in #5 with more to go. This alternative POV chapter is great though. Not every one need a whole chapter and this one being split is wonderful. We need more chances to see others doing cool things not revolving around Elijah.

Fishyfish

It's my first time commenting but I think people might just be tired of the Primal Realms. Speaking personally, I have absolutely 0 desire to read about Elijah conquering every remaining one. They were interesting and novel, especially the Broken Crown, but most of them are a bit of a slog to get through, like there's just too much going on in each one. At the very least, Elijah should be able to fully cheese at least one PR considering the entire series focuses on his unique and versatile abilities. Aside from just being stronger than everything, there has to be a way for his class to totally circumvent stuff at some point. Also, it's clear he's outstripped Earth and he's done his part in saving it from excisement, so it's time for the rest of the population to step up and do literally anything.

Xtriver

The primal realms feel less exciting at this point, more like a slog before the next challenge begins. I don’t like the implication that the world have no other outstanding talents that could pick up the slack, that Elijah is the only one who could do this without catastrophic losses. The broken crown was supposed to be the hardest PR and he did that before getting the upgrades. This one should be easier or shift paradigm to something completely different. The guy also needs a mental health year, have him go walkabout, explore the world, deepen the lore. I think that would be a better use of his time before the next challenge. I know Elijah outclass everyone, but it feels like the gap ain’t that big between the three, that should make it possible for them to do it without their support dragon. I do not like the imagery of the chosen one, but if they need him to complete these challenges, widen the gap or let the other champions do some work. What makes the perception of the length of the primal realms worse is the WebNovel format. the side chapters and worldbuilding are gold, I want more! This is the first thing that popped into my mind when you asked the question. Have a nice day.

lichemporer

I'm working and only getting a little time to read on break or before bed. Ive enjoyed this arc so far

BelligerentGnu

PR fatigue. I'm pretty sure I commented in the beginning nine was too many, and I definitely have been commenting that the scaling makes no sense.

Koala Man

I like the primal realms and the threat of excisement, not sure how you could do it too much differently. Perhaps since Elijah can’t be at them all focus on a couple of the other people doing them showing that it’s more of a group effort that is required to finish them and not so much that Elijah is required for them . It was cool that he forced his way through one and then the next ppl found the “easy way” to do it. I guess it’s important to show how others grow which equals more lore and to show that ppl will be strong enough after this arc to protect earth once Elijah leaves. I like the present realm he’s in as he’s having to rely on other peoples expertise to solve it showing even tho he is the highest lvl he is not infallible and other people far outstrip him in other areas. You could also play on that, a bit of tempering of the arrogance of dragons , some lesson there that , as lofty the existence of dragons is , they also rely on others at times?

Slyssa

I mean there is a lot of us who don’t comment often though I will say that the last chapter featuring Miguel was rather boring but I’m just gonna assume it has something to essential about the future story

Garadhrim

Nine realms left you plenty of space for character development and story progression. I think that like in the LoRGH, seeing character growth is super important. This season seems an exploration of ways our heroes are flawed, dont measure up and are human. I also see you building the greater mythos behind the World Tree. Keep going…its intriguing.

Garadhrim

I do not agree with your comments.

Alex Kagan

You made ascension seem like such a big deal in a characters' growth in power level, but then made it basically meaningless in the primal realms. The lethality floor is so high it seems to make anyone under the top 20 strongest in the world incapable of taking them on in any reasonable amount of time. Some of the characters even mentioned this after Chimeric Forge, iirc saying it would have taken over a year to do the "intended way" grinding rep first... The last two chapters from Miguel's pov were boring and repetitive and in general we spend so little time with the main cast of characters, unless they're doing something cool or amazing, it just feels like filler when we get one of their chapters. Either spend more chapters on other characters or ditch the side characters...

Lachoneus

As far as your comment on comments, I wait until the entire primal realm is finished before I read it. I can't stand the cliffhangers.

Ryan

I comment every so often, but only when I find something interesting in the lore or there's a moment that stands out. I think for me, it is PR fatigue, and the inconsistency in Elijah's power. I think it is time for level 250 and the empire of scales. Leave humanity to finish the rest of the PRs. I also don't like Sadie or their relationship.

Bartimaus Shroud

I enjoy the read! Even the slower ch.‘S gotta WORLD BUILD! Keep it up!

James

I can’t speak for others but it’s especially true for me that during primal realms I like to hoard a bunch of chapters then binge read them. The longer nature of the arcs just makes post by post reading less satisfying and as such I’m much less likely to leave a comment on each chapter and instead move straight to the next chapter I have saved up. idk if that makes sense but for what it’s worth I’m enjoying LotDG arc very much, thank you for all your work

DagNabItAll

I think the structure of these doesn't leave much room for interesting twists. He either beats them or dies, it's more constrained than other situations. Plus I naturally have less interest if it's a simulated environment. If I'm learning about something I know the characters won't return to, it's less compelling than a location that they might. You've dodged this a bit by making the locations a copy of something real, but it's still sort of there. It might be my personal bias but I've skipped significant sections of the Primal realms where he is alone, I don't have any appetite for simulated environments. You do it better than most, as there are real world lore and links, but it's still a less compelling situation than something in the real world. I think DoTF does them very well. He always advances the main plot in mystic realms and they are almost never binary win/die. Compared to a lot of amateur authors who have their MC jump into a rift, and then it's dozens of chapters of fighting against fake enemies in a fake environment, where the whole thing could be summarised well with 3 bullet points.

Steve

Agree with most, the primal realms seem really done at this point, and the fact that Elijah seems to have just given up trying to understand stuff seems wrong.

Corey S

I’m usually commenting on these chapters as I love the story. However, I agree with this current PR. Elijah needed it to understand more about ethera and he doesn’t seem to even be trying. Also, I personally don’t always love the theoretical questions, etc that is what gives depth to these kind of advancements. But I think Elijah needs to attempt it. At this rate he’ll go to the dragon empire as the famous “country bumpkin” with no formal education and too much strength and talent.

Corey S

With that said, I’m glad Sadie is recognizing her flawed relationship with Elijah. Although why is she contemplating what she needs to do when the Angel PR is right there for the taking lol. I agree with the other commenters about the rest of the PRs. Elijah does not need to be in all of them, and they would not be worried about the timeline if they wouldn’t keep waiting for him to attempt it.

Ruskuval

For me it's the fact that nobody else seems to matter much. I don't see any possible way the planet could have survived without Elijah. The power discrepancy between Elijah and everyone else just seems too much. Even Benedict is basically useless next to Elijahs power.

Serdonah

The dragon PR was such a monumental time for Elijah that we all learned things about dragons, his power and abilities, and new ways to use them. But with this one it’s really just him ferrying Hu Shui and Benedict along so they can understand what’s happening and go forward. Yes, there’s danger for him and the others but it lacks depth. It’s not that much of a challenge for him. But with Elijah being the only one who can handle large numbers of enemies alone I wonder what’s going to happen when more people start coming. And I definitely don’t want to see him going into any of the other PRs if he absolutely doesn’t have to

Cmndprmpt

Im not a habitual commentator, but i do leave the occasional comment every few chapters, and I definitely read a good amount of then and give ones I like a heart. Most of the time, I dont really have anything to say. Usually, I comment if you ask us a question or for our opinions, like now. Most of the time, I skim through parts that are light in dialogue, and thats for most stories I read. I find the interactions between characters, discovery and research of the world and forces (magic, tech, etc.) to be far more interesting than combat scenes. Speaking of which, I skim through combat scenes the most; there's only so much combat description I can read before it becomes repetitive for me, and thats not unique to you and your writing style. And combat in general is weird for me. If the MC dies, there's no more story unless we start following someone else, and there's no guarantee that the story will be as good with a new MC as it was with the OG MC. So, combat seems kind of redundant; the danger doesnt feel real and there's not really a consequence to the battle. Final thing, I skip through most chapters that arent focused on the MC, again this is true for every story I read unless I really like the side character or its the first time they've been introduced. The only exception is for stories, like the current main story that author 'The Curator' is writing, where there will be combat chapters that are from the pov from the MC's enemy that he's fighting. I love those chapters bc it showcases how the MC looks to their enemies and it makes the combat scenes much more enjoyable. For you, specifically, there's only 2 side characters I really care about: Kurik and Nerthus. Even Sadie isn't a character I really care for, despite her importance to Elijah. None of the sode characters are that interesting to me. And, the story at this point feels like Elijah feels like he's strayed from who he is bc of jumping back and forth between conflicts. I dont want this story to be a 'slice-of-life' story, and I like all the unique monsters and ethereal concepts around magic and tech. Dont take this as a criticism of your writing, as I think that what's happening with Elijah and the other characters is a consequence of what's happening in the plot, and there's nothing wrong with it; this stuff has to happen in order for the characters to grow and learn. I know that once the primal realms are dealt with, things will start happening that are more interesting and fun to read. I think you're a talented writer and you've got an amazing story and world with PotD, just understand that the spot we're in with the story is a lul, and once we get through it, we'll all become more engaged in the story. TL;DR You're doing fine, we've just reached a natural lul in the story. Edit: I read the entirety if this chapter, and I enjoyed it quite a bit. It gave a glimpse into both characters, and Kurik a little, and got me looking forward to what's next for them in the story.

Dylan King

Long time reader, it has been getting a little rougher to read lately, similar to the trial i think. I think the main problem im seeing is twofold, escalation is constant and thus tiring, everything cant always be the most painful or the most powerful, it quickly makes any past challenge seem redundant and any growth feel the same, how can he be saying that the broken crown was the hardest he's ever been pushed where in this primal realm he's died multiple times? He didnt die in any of the others so why is he nonchalant about this? The issue of scale becomes apparent when the numbers just keep rising and the stakes feel similar every time. The second problem is that the solo protagonist doesnt have people do bounce off of, his story is linear at this point and it means it reduces his agency. The story can be focused on advancement but with other supporting pillars to make it feel like a larger realer world, with all his contemporaries not mastering even slightly in comparison to him why do we care about them? These side characters have to matter and need some investment in them, Elijah can be a freak of nature without taking away the magic of your side characters. This is all just my opinion and i enjoy the story in general, I do worry at the direction and progressive overload of these issues though

Moon Winchester

While I am a patreon I don't read the book until it's finished. Im currently waiting for book 12 to be done before binging the entire thing.

Rid

I feel like we’ve already had that particular fight already. Ngl, the whole « I can’t control my emotions around the devil » thing to be meh.

Rid

I comment occasionally and I used to never let chapters build up. This primal realm was the one I was most excited for and so far… *shrug*. Others have mentioned the power scaling problem with the PRs and I tend to agree, especially with how inconsistent it feels. Last chapter there was finally some lore but it’s been pretty sparse. Otherwise I’ve been missing the side characters. I feel like they need fully utilized or it’s time to dump earth. I really love the story you’ve created, these are just small gripes!

Aimé B. Iniongo

I was at the verge of dissing all chapters about PR and start reading after this arc. I mean, how is a person that literally battle demi-god had to die more 60 times in this PR.

Mat

Not to make light what Sadie is going. After she has imprinted the temple and is entitled to half, she now wants a divorce.

Xarow

I took a break to read another book for a bit so back after three weeks. I have no issues at all other than Sadie has been on the down and out for me for a while. I think in this PR you should lean more into Benedict and demons more as it is new and I want to know more about them. I have no issues with the number of times he dies as most often it is a hard reset of a PR not that he is weak and power scale is wrong. That is all fine.

Toknightly

I feel like Elijah is losing agency. He's not really learning anything or changing in anyway in this primal realm. Like he's just playing body guard and can't figure out anything about the ethera puzzles? It feels like our powerful cool mc lost his ability to figure things out it change them

Toknightly

I also feel like he should be able to take down a PR in like twenty chapters by now

Taylor

The issue I have is mirrored by other commentors, you have established that the PR's grow in power over time, but then also mention that they match the people who go in. This only makes sense if the person going into the primal realm is "overpowered" in relation to the natural growth of the PR. Meaning, the MC has outpaced the natural growth and so the PR increases the difficulty to match the now more powerful person. This serves to make the MC struggles seem diminshed. He stuggles through the dragon PR goes back to earth and is so powerful, but the next PR is just as powerful to match him so in the context of the PR his power and growth doesnt matter. This also makes the troll PR an issue, if the MC had gone with everyone, wouldnt the PR have just increased in difficulty to match him? meaning even MORE people would have died. If not, then why does the Djinn PR increase in difficulty to match him? Either the PR increase in difficulty or they don't. Narratively its obvious why they need to scale, so the MC doesn't roflstomp his way through the PR. Logically it is irritating and feels like it takes away from his accomplishments. I mean, if you worked hard enough to literally become too poweful for your planet to sustain you, should'nt the PR be easy? At the very least the idea of the Djinn primal realm challenging the MC in a way where he couldn't overpower his way through it by smashing everything makes sense, but then hes not strong enough to actually do that when it makes sense, dying dozens of times over and over again the same creatures. If the PR's match the person going in, then a squad of appropriately advanced elites should be curated, walked to the door of the PR and let in to finish it. If it doesnt match levels, then the MC should roflstomp any physical challenge easily at this point. This is a logical problem that makes it irritating to read and deal with.

Asterrahl

I don't believe Primal Realms adjust the difficulty level to the people entering. The difficulty level is based on them being PRs, and how long they've been left to accumulate ethera (which is filtered corruption or something). Primal Realms get harder and harder because time flows one direction and Elijah gets to the next PR after months or a year. (The exception is if an Elder Core enters their special PR, it rearranges, to teach them stuff and offer super special secret rewards if they really push themselves ridiculously ex: worldseed) I believe that the way PRs adjust based on who enters, is that they must provide a challenge of a difficulty set by the ethera accumulation, that the participants can possibly overcome (not easily, for sure). This is why the Chimeric Forge seemed tailor made for Elijah. He still almost died 80 times everyday - they are NOT easy. Don't forget. But when he solos them, they are solvable for him. This time, "he couldn't have done it without Ben and Hui Sui" because they also entered, thus the PR set up with obstacles those two could overcome, but not Elijah, like the puzzles, since they are also present. If Elijah went into the Red Marsh (? Troll PR) with Sadie and the armies, that PR would have generated dangers and challenges almost impossible to overcome for everyone AND some for Elijah as well, but a single enemy like that would have being devastating to everyone if Elijah was out trapped in a ruin as usual. He wasn't there, so no challenges or enemies only Elijah could have bested.

Connor

Organizationally the patreon was wonky around this time so I stopped reading for a bit. There was no collection for the book or something, so it was difficult to find my last read place - also at the end of the previous book there was no indication that the book was over. It just sort of ended with no AN, at least that I could find, so I spent a while, a few days, refreshing that collection to see if a new chapter would come out and it never did so I took a break then. It’s been a while so I can’t quite recall everything.

dovpak

I originally wanted to save up the PR chapters, and read them in bulk. But when i tried to, i couldn’t get motivated to do it, and it just felt like a chore. I thought id just sit down and force myself to get back into the story once i had time, but i didn’t feel motivated to see what happens in the PR arc. I got to the point where i would have to drop the series, or just skip the PR chapters. I decided to skim every Elijah pov chapter, and pick out any system messages so that i could keep track of his progress, and see when he got out. But id rather skip the arc and piece it together from later chapters, than drop the series. Im exited for the alt POV chapters though. I am jut really sick of repetitive clearing of primal realms. Even if the internals are different, the “Enter the PR and be isolated from Earth. Fight through impossible challenges and become more OP. Return to earth and impress everyone with all the shit he did, and the priceless stuff he got”. I cant even remember if this is the 4th or 5th PR he is clearing. Its just extremely overused and any mechanics introduced to make the PR “impossible” again and again just seems ad hoc at this point. It just feels like its a convenient way to isolate him from Earth to be able to run auxiliary, non-elijah centric arcs without him there to crush any obstacle.

Moon Winchester

I just don’t comment as much. I get really invested in the story and I just wanna get into the next chapter by stopping to write breaks the momentum.

Moon Winchester

Weirdly enough, I actually feel like the primordial realm would’ve benefited Sadie. This is because in the beginning it was a time loop so it would have forced her to work with Benedict and after a while she would’ve adapted maybe.

Moon Winchester

I have discovered why there are less comments, you are not engaging with the community. I am now on book thirteen and in almost every comment section is a question/complaint with no answer.

Sweet Serials

But it doesn't make sense. The towers can't throughput enough ethera to support elijah, and they, too, adjust based on the entrants. So why can a PR attain enough ethera to support a difficulty that can challenge elijah when elijah can barely survive away from his grove?

Sweet Serials

I doubt you even read the comments. If you did, you'd know that a lot of us are having an issue with these Primal Realms. They are long, don't follow powerscaling logic, don't follow ethera logic, and are a slog to read through, often saying 'without following this exact path I've taken, I'd never have survive' like that validates everything he's done.

Asterrahl

The towers have a limit to ethera accumulation, after which they break. They flood the area with monsters. Primal realms as well, but they have a much higher limit, closer to Elijah's level, and there is another step after towers and primal realms as welk, that I know of. I was wrong to say corruption is ethera. I think "corruption" it the Ravener's energy, his mana basically, his mad flavour of ethera spreading over the universe. The World Tree has its own ethera which is the one everyone uses and thinks of as normal, uncorrupted ethera.

KCoeus

Just got patreon on a whim and been binging book 12. Was on ch.2 when I started and I'm now here I agree with the majority of the comments... Get done with the primal realms ASAP. Move on to the empire of scale. I understand the need to upscale Elijah's achievements, being a cultivation prodigy and a dragon... but making the collective of humanity so useless they can't even fully(they were helped by him) solve one primal realm in over 5 years. Is it his presence in the planet that invoked the systems reprisal? Or you just decided to get 10 whole books out of 10 dungeons?

SeaElderDragon

It has to do with the fact when he conquered the one in Hong Kong that started the timer it was described they often take decades to conquer on anew planet but I might be misremembering

Hellnhavoc

I can easily see her being someone everyone ends up hating.

Hellnhavoc

I think you are getting to a point where growth comes in frequently and that will feel bad to readers. Or at least many. Here is carrying people and it feels bad. Sadie is annoying

Lance

The primal realm chapters can be a slog, but I think that can be attributed to over exposure for some people. I put the series down for a month or so; now I get to come back to a chapter backlog and the primal realm feels fresh again. You have it planned, you’ve thought it through, listen to the complaints but take it with a grain of salt; don’t implode your story for appeasement’s sake please.

MrFixit

The primal realms are interesting but especially this one feels a bit frustrating. There is so much emphasis on Elijah being so much stronger than the rest of the world. Being head and shoulders above even the Elites. Yet in this primal realm which is supposed to be a fixed difficulty and not scaled based on level like towers are he is still challenged and has to go all out in combat. If they are are supposed to be fixed level let Elijah show off that strength and spend less time with drawn out fights.

FrozenPride87

Yea, just feel like the PRs have run they're course. I see how the whole strength isnt just power theme of the Djinn PR works but feels like he should still be relatively strolling through only struggling with the puzzles. Also Elijahs attitude towards everything is starting to be a issue as well. Feels like he often gets stepped on by the other characters, theres a difference between trying to be peaceful and being stepped on or over and he constantly steps into that stepped on range.

FrozenPride87

I see alot of "more side character action" here. I may be of the minority because most of the side character chapters arent as interesting imo. I enjoyed Gunnars parts though.

FrozenPride87

Also Sadie is turning into a monster. She is only sorry for sending Elijah into the PR without her but not for killing kids or what she said to him

Lux Novels

I like the side character chapters they can be a nice change of pace. And I think the PR problem is not just overexposure, that certainly exists since they are basically the same as towers and the trial and honestly the trial should have been skipped and the number of PRs should have been cut down or had some done by New York or others. How long they go on also does not help, it feels like a video game where I finally think I am done with the dungeon and puzzles and get to move on only for it to continue and delay the more interesting elements like Seattle or the Empire of Scales. But I think the main issues is that as forced game like scenerios for leveling they often lack any emotional beats or complexity, and the author isn't the best with adding hype to rewards so aside fun the rare exception the whole thing feels kinda pointless and makes me want a timeskip through them.

Blueray1957

Balance the last 4-5 chapters were about Elijah pending ascendency. The Novelty ideas are tough , the enemies seem ethereal and less prone to capture my attention as flesh and blood adversaries. The offworld enemies present a new level of danger and challenge. I felt myself skipping to see that the latest siege on the grove. Green mountain mining is a good thread