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What's next?

  • Honestly, only videos 18
  • Maybe a video every other month or so? 103
  • One or two written articles about what you're researching or things of interest (like scutoids, or ye olde elevr posts) 87
  • Howbouts a weekly livestream about learning, or looking at edu tech, or article/book review, and stuff like that (suggest in comments) 46
  • Music! Music! Music! Why are you keeping Béla from her adoring fans! 42
  • Videos, but change to pay-per-video instead of per-month 26
  • I'm here for literally anything! 211
  • ooh I have an idea (tell us in the comments!) 9
  • 2018-08-31
  • 542 votes
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Content

Hello good humans,

August sure flew by but was also really long! I’m also finishing this month very excited for the future and for working on some long-term goals.

I know from previous polls that a lot of you are here for fun math video content and not really the other things, and that’s perfectly ok! I’m not going to ask any of you to fund stuff you’re not really interested in, I just need to take stock of what my options are, as I plot my plans. Because I love making videos sometimes, but I’ve got other ambitions I find much more invigorating, particularly involving the future of learning, and human ability to understand complex things, and the relationship between technology and the human experience! For me, videos that distill or communicate a mathematical thought process is one small piece of a bigger vision about how we learn and communicate our thoughts and feelings to grow as humans.

But they’re certainly a very tangible result and one a lot of people enjoy, with a more immediate impact than some of the fuzzier longer term work on this topic, and I understand that’s what a lot of you are here for, so it’s what I’ve been focusing on while setting up this crowdfunding endeavor. So I’m putting a poll at the end of this post, and please answer honestly what you’d stick around for!

First though, let’s re-cap the month:

At the beginning of the month my plan was to continue trying to see if I could make shorter/less involved videos at a faster pace than my usual videos, seeing as frequent uploads is the only way to win the YouTube game, and also I know a lot of you do like this kind of content (I like it too!). But it turns out I just can’t work at that pace even for less ambitious videos; anything scripted is simply going to take more time, especially when you account for all the parts of successful video publishing and youtubery besides actual video making.

In fact, apparently nowadays the algorithm wants multiple 10 to 12 minute videos a week, and that just isn’t possible for one human making scripted content even if they were a much faster writer and producer than I am (I am a real slow human). Investing in the whims of a platform I have no control over isn’t exactly the best long-term life plan so seeing as it isn’t my life ambition to become a real-time vlogger/reviewer/unboxer/etc I think it’s time to give up on the idea of caring about YouTube’s platform.

Of course that doesn’t mean I can’t make videos and put them there, it just means not counting on it to reach people who don’t know how to find me elsewhere. Good thing y’all are here with me!

What to do about it? If video-making were my long term life ambition rather than something I like to do in addition to my longer term goals, then it would make sense to hire a production team and social media person and all the help that would make it possible to go the traditional youtube route. But that’s not work that would further my long term goals. Sometimes I want to express my love of mathematics or interest in a question or thinking on a topic in video form, and all I want from youtube is that my subscribers can find it.

The other problem is that while merch helps fund my work, it won’t sell unless I promote it with a video, which means making more videos so that I have a video that’s appropriate to put the ad in. The merch+video funding feedback loop works when I’m making frequent videos but not so well otherwise, so without making frequent videos it can’t be a significant part of my income, just a fun side project for when I think a thing would be especially cool (like the new triangle-person pins!).

Anyway so early this month I took a break from the video crunch and made Number Friends, which I think I’ll just make a few tweaks to and then release publicly soon. With enough time and the right team it could be developed and sold into what might be a commercial success and a good game, but my ambition is not to be a game developer either, so maybe working on this wasn’t the best plan… it was just a bit of a break, and I do like the result.

Also this month I did some art-bits for Project Butterfly, which I’m still excited about! I’m also still excited for the Emmy Noether video. These are the kind of videos I really want to be making (although not exclusively). What I don’t know is how I’ll fund these longer projects, as at the moment I don’t know if I could fund them even if I did work on projects like them with 100% of my time.

Oh, and I guess I wrote an article about scutoids, and some poems about good drivers!

To be clear, I really like the work we’ve done here in the past year and am very thankful to you all for enabling me to create a pile of videos I am proud of! I guess for now it’s just a heads up that if your intention was to fund video projects only, I probably won’t be spending all my time on those forever. I’m looking at some other strategies, and just wanted to bring you along with me through this thinking process, even though I haven’t made any decisions yet.

So last week I took a trip back into the Bay Area, where I hadn’t been in almost a year. I’d stayed away partly because I needed the space, and partly because I’ve mostly been heads down in video production mode for the past year and it’s hard to take the time away from the studio. But for a fresh perspective I thought it was a good time to visit some friends and catch up on the world of research after a year of being away!

And I really, really miss research. There’s a lot of problems with silicon valley and the tech industry that I don’t miss one tiny single iota, but I do miss the larger vision, and so I’m starting to try to look into what I could do that’s less directly tech-focused and industry-relevant than what I did before (which was focused around AR/VR) and more into a wider view of technology and learning, including things like online video, explorable explanations, and also older technologies, and maybe not-yet-existing technologies. I want to take advantage of my experience in education, of working at Khan Academy, of giving talks and workshops at schools around the world, and having a wide network of contacts in both public and higher education, museums, libraries, and also all the new tech-related education things.

I’m not sure where this will go yet, it’s just something I’m ready to start researching again after this badly-needed year-long break that you all have provided me with!

I’m not assuming patreon will be able to fund it all and I’m hoping to be able to get larger institutional funding as I clarify my goals and vision. For now I’m planning to still spend at least half my time video-making; we’ll figure out the details when I have more information!

First though, I am in direly terrible need of a vacation and also a bit of professional development and life-reorganization, so I’m probably going to be spending a good chunk of September on those things. I'm extremely excited and inspired to move to the next phase of things, at the same time as being extremely tired and burnt out, so I've got to fiercely protect this young new energy until it's strong enough to sustain itself.

With almost a year’s experience here, it’s probably time to reorganize some of the Patreon stuff, including levels and rewards and schedules in any case, so let me know your thoughts on that too. 

Maybe, if people really are mostly in it for the videos, I should just change to pay-per-video instead of per-month, so if I decide to do/take other work some month you won't have to choose between leaving and funding something you're not interested in. It's less efficient to the Patreon ecosystem but I'll consider it if it makes sense!

It sure has been a ride, thanks for being on it with me however long you stick around. And even if you were only here to fund videos, I promise your previous funding will still contribute towards future videos as I plan to continue to work on in-progress video projects as well as some future ones down the line that would not be possible without the prep-work, equipment, and software that y’all have already funded. I am particularly excited to get some more music stuff out there.

Now, what would you be excited to stick around for? (check all that apply, but only if each single thing alone would be genuinely exciting to you even without the others)

Vi

Comments

Kenny Tilton

Snail and Doggett, or whatever strikes your fancy. Traffic poetry included.

ox

art/experimental/"second channel" style videos!! still a huge fan of old classics like the snail series and a song about a sharpie and how to microwave :)

John McKay

"human ability to understand complex things" This.

Gordon Glenn

I'm just happy to be a patron. I do love the videos and am interested in teaching/learning. Happy to continue paying TAU bucks a month to keep you doing "smart stuff."

Rick Levine

I have been a fan since your early doodling in math class... I've shared your YouTube videos with friends for years. Years? I don't know how many... I grew up reading my Dad's monthly Scientific American... well, actually, I read Martin Gardner's column, "Mathematical Games and Diversions." I've folded my share of hexaflexagons. I love your work. Your mind. Your quirky style of pattern recognition. I love the way Patreon allows this direct support. It fiscally fuels my life, too. I'm happy to support you at my current level wherever your creativity carries you. I'm along for the ride. Thank you. For. Creating.

Thomas Richter

I'm just here to support you doing things that are awesome. So go and do all the awesome things! Sing to snails. Do maths. Count with microwave. Make artful art. ALL THE THINGS.

Suzanne Willis

I'm here to to support whatever you do, although I must confess I don't really watch the live streams. I love the music and the math; I a retired physics professor whose #2 interest is music, so there's that. But as much as I can help you keep on keeping on, I will do so.

Thomas Richter

Also, random connection input: have you seen what David Kaplan is doing with his video series "In Theory"? The recent one on Universality seems like a thing you could weigh in on. Or at least might be up your alley? It has nature, math, and patterns...with chicken eyes! I'm sure if you Google his name, Quanta magazine, and Universality, video will pop up. Take it or leave it. Could be a chicken worth chasing.

Cathy Deng

i’m not here to pay for content, i’m here to pay you because i believe in you and want you to have creative freedom 💗

Brent Doll

I agree with Cathy. My patronage is based on believing in you are the best person to decide what is best for you and your work. But I really do like the content as well. I know, really helpful feedback for a “what would you like to see” poll

David Snyder

First, this is probably gonna end up being a longer comment here, so sorry for that to start off with. Second, I'm here 1st because of videos, but I don't think in the way you lay it out. You were the first eduTuber I ever found on YouTube back I think freshman year of high school, and still one of my favorites ever. I just graduated uni and am now a high school science teacher, and I think my path down that road started with finding your videos. It's a little weird to say, partly cause I think you see yourself as more of a normal person, but you're honestly a bit of a role model for me. Immediately after I saw your post a year ago about setting up a Patreon I signed up. I'm not so much here for the content as I'm here because I want to give back to you, at least as much as I can justify to myself on a 1st year teacher's salary overshadowed by student loans. Now I understand the world of making edu-taining videos may not be your true passion, and I definitely don't want you to be stuck doing something you don't want to be doing just because it may be more profitable (take in mind that I honestly have NO idea what the world of research and articles looks like financially). What I DO know is that you have a true gift for educating and inspiring young people in math. Now I know your personal morals may prevent you from making your content as profitable as say The King of Random has, since you refuse to turn on ads, don't seem to take corporate sponsors, and if I remember right had a hard time even asking us for crowdfunding in the beginning. If you are interested in continuing the edu-tainment thing, one thing I wonder if you have considered is looking into a thing with PBS digital studios. They also work at a slower pace compared to "normal" YouTube, take breaks pretty often, go to talks like you mention up above and some of their contributors also work on papers and articles on the side, maybe not to the degree you're wanting to, but I don't know, there's no accounting for taste. Their math channel Infinite Series just fell through, so they're probably looking to pick something back up in that area. I have no idea if that's something you'd even remotely be interested in, but I can tell you as an educator hearing that you started working with PBS would legitamately be one of the best days of my life. Whatever you end up doing, I just wanted to let you know how much of an influence you have been on me and that I'll be here on Patreon as long as you are.

Rick

To be honest, I haven't seen all your videos, and I'm looking forward to eventually seeing them (you know how that works, where you decide you Really Need to see every episode of Game of Thrones even though you only watched part of one scene). I just fund you because you're brilliant, you make me think, you're entertaining. Good luck with balancing everything!

Bruce

Please consider adding a $20 or $19.99 per month program for the gap between $9.99 and $25.00

Erieke

Literally anything! I like the livestream idea, but I'm never around to watch them so would like to add to that "and also put them on youtube/vimeo/etc", just to be sure :)

David Morrison

I'm here because I too love and miss doing research, and know just how incredibly difficult it is to get funding if you're not affiliated with academia. I'm mainly here because I want to support someone who's trying to figure out how to make the independent researcher gig work, and also because I want you to figure it out so that I can copy you someday :P So actually, you know what I'd be most interested in? Continued posts on your funding situation and how you are managing to make things work. I know that's super-awkward and personal but I don't feel too bad about asking since you've done a few of these in the past.

lograh

You are a wonderful person with a creative intelligent mind. I enjoy the videos, the short Patreon lens videos (though I wish they lasted a wee bit longer), the pins (maybe a tau>pi pin also?), the essays, the poems, the music, and the video game. To be honest I’ve been enjoying your work for many years now, I recall once wanting to donate and seeing your webpage say something like “thanks for the offer but I don’t need it right now”, in light of that if you want to take some time off and post nothing for a few months or so I’d stick around, keep donating, and still be here when you come back. Given your creativity I doubt that would happen but I know how these things go sometimes. I’m happy you are doing more than just videos, branching out your production avenues can help avoid burnout in any one of them. And perhaps you’ll stop doing all the above and suddenly focus on some entirely new thing and I’m down for seeing where that goes also! Thank you for sharing your explorations and research with us and letting us come along for the ride.

Michael Grossman

I joined because I like your mathematics content, but I like all the videos you've made. I don't believe in stifling the imagination of content creators I enjoy by telling them I'm only interested in certain things. If you wanted to put together a book, I collect books and I'd love another mathematics book written in a more conversational style. You do that quite well. I'd buy at least one copy. You could have a songs somewhere in it. That'd probably work better as a kickstarter funded project than as a patreon project though. I will echo previous comments that you don't have to release anything and I will continue my support. You have produced content I enjoy and I trust your decision making capabilities. If you do not feel like you have anything to say in a given time frame, then I will wait until such a time until you feel that you have something you want to show us. Thank you for all the time you've given us.

Dan Schroeder

Besides videos I really love your Parable of the Polygons and I'd love to see more playable posts.

Reed Bowman

What stands out to me about your math videos, which is what most of us came for in the first place, is the way you lay out but also entrain a thought process, with a style that is natural and easy to follow. It is one of the best ways to learn and broaden the mind, and (with huge amounts of work) you make it look easy. While that kind of teaching ability is a rare gift and I hope you never turn your back on it, your genius is clearly of a broad and multifarious sort, and will have more to offer the world the freer rein it is given. I would especially like to see more of the new approaches to learning, and other interactive projects, but I expect anything you put your mind and work to will be worthy of support. So as long as I can manage it, I'll continue to be a small sponsor your work wherever it takes you, hoping there will be some new thing from time to time for us to marvel at and to bring us along for the journey.

Daniel

I like the PBS idea; I can definitely see Vi being the mathematical equivalent of Physics Girl. But I wonder if they'll let Vi be quite as out-there and creative as she wants.

James Gallicchio

All of the content that you produce is interesting. Not all of it is interesting to me, but enough is interesting that I'm happy to support you no matter what you output! 1) I would love to see you speaking at conferences and such more. The XOXO Festival video was so cool to watch because you were so interactive with the audience! But I vaguely remember you saying how the speaking circuit is very difficult, so no worries if you don't produce more live content :) 2) I'd also love more mathemusician stuff, cuz as a musician and math enthusiast it's so cool to see. The mode of communication isn't really important- I love the videos, but I'd be interested in really any content in this vein. 3) Perhaps podcasts would be nice? Both scripted content and unscripted talking/interviews. I'd assume content without the visual element would be easier to produce? 4) Updates and articles on your research would be absolutely fantastic. You seem to always find interesting topics for research that I would love to stay up to date on!

Troy McConaghy

The way I see it, I'm funding you, Vi Hart, not the creation of any particular form of creative work.

Rachel

In my experience, the best ideas often come out of nowhere. They can be the things we throw together quickly, the attempts to combine things that really shouldn't be combined, that off-the-wall idea we have in the shower, and so on. I am genuinely excited about the idea of creative people being able to try new things, rather than just repeating the same thing that they've been doing all along because it gets views, or bending to the whims of the Almighty Algorithm. Maybe the next thing you decide to try won't work out all that well. Maybe it will turn out great but not be my thing. Or maybe it will just be staggeringly mind-bogglingly fantastic and more than make up for any of the things that weren't my cup of tea.

Jade Felicity Bilkey

tl;dr I think you should explore the medium of Lens/instagram story/snapchat clip compilations on YouTube to expose more of the thinksplosion journey – in its fits and starts – involved in coming to understand new, complex things. Thinkmeat stack trace below --- More than anything else, I can say I personally enjoy your content most when you are sharing your newfound enthusiasm (either though scripted persona or mid-process mind-stack-trace) for a topic (or snail) in a positive, unbridled way. I come to your videos to learn the hard to impart wetware abstraction engines that you show us parts of in your math series. It's the way of thinking enthusiastically, cheerfully and persistently while leaning into the complexity that have made your videos special to me and I'm sure many others. Through some of your lens clips (which I keep missing because the app stops notifying me if I haven't opened it in a while) I feel like your sense for what makes fun little bites of life is great. I'd like to see what you could do with that kind of media as you work through a paper, hour to hour or a few checkins on the days where you're active with that project when you make progress or have setbacks; then stitch those specific clips together with minimal editing into a compilation. I'm not sure it would be a good learning resource for whatever you're trying to understand but it might teach the harder underlying skills of organizing ones thoughts, dealing with backtracking, and persistence as you try to wrestle with something big and interesting to you. I make this suggestion as a researcher who finds herself frequently helped by and helping peers by sharing just those strategies more than the underlying facts learned from them. Also, I personally don't find streams themselves nearly as focused or helpful with learning beyond Q&A or going back and editing the stream. I want whatever interesting thinkmeat havers like yourself have so I can tackle ever higher or just differently complex thinksplosions.

S Brackett Robertson

I'm also interested in this: "human ability to understand complex things" and your mention of education places, but I'm coming at this from the perspective of someone working in a museum and I'm interested in bringing complex things to informal learning environments in general. But as far as Patreon goes, I'm here to support whatever you want to do.

Martin Mörtsell

You have a way of making everything you touch interesting. I am here for that. If there were rewards I cared about I would give you more money.

DrWex

I'll suggest again that you might look at other people running Patreons for multiple media. Amanda Palmer comes immediately to mind, not least because I have her (massive) end-of-month summary open in the very next tab. She funds "Things" and what comes out in a given month as an official "thing" is quite widely varying. Patrons can support 1 or more "things" per month, and the cap ensures that people don't feel taken advantage of if she happens to put out a bunch of things in a given month. Or vice versa if only one thing appears in a given month then I'm funding that and not just generally. I don't know if this model would work for you, given how you have things organized and what you want to do and what your needs are, but I do think it's worth investigating other creators on this platform who have addressed similar problems and see if any of their solutions offer insight.

MELISSA J CLAGUE

My family found you on Khan Academy years ago. You are an inspiration to us (each of us in different ways!). Our contribution to you is part of our tzedakah - our financial contribution to make the world a better / more just place. Some of us love the lens clips. I'm waiting impatiently for the Emmy Noether video. We will be here indefinitely because we support what you are doing, including the effort to keep your content freely available.

Eric Zago

Your unique voice on your math videos helped inspire my daughter. She's now in 8th grade, and we've been watching your videos together since 2nd grade. She's now in honors math - and credits you for showing her that "math isn't just the boring stuff they teach us in school, but something that can be creative." She knows that the stuff they have to teach her in school is foundational and the stuff you just have to learn because that's what the standards say. But she also knows that it can fit together into a bigger picture, even if she hear's you talk about concepts that she doesn't understand, yet - and that's fabulous. As she's grown as a person and as a student she's starting to see that some of those terms she vaguely recalls from earlier videos fit together. This is a child that was actually excited to go to the National Museum of Mathematics on our NYC vacation this summer - honestly, when we were doing our research of what to do, I showed her that such a place existed her face lit up. I credit that in no small part to you. While I understand your desire to explore the other topics and keep yourself engaged - please remember that many of us love that unique voice you bring to math education. And slugcats, we love slugcats too. As a small example of how your work has entered our lexicon, to this day, in our house, we call Velcro-brand One Wrap Wire ties (the black ones that come in rolls) Slugcats, because the end that loops around has these little cat-like ear flaps, and then the part you punch out is a Slugcat egg - because of course, Slugcats lay eggs, right?

Steve

Honestly, Vi, it seems to me your expectations for yourself are just too high. You have over 1700 people funding you, you have had the freedom to produce what you want when you want this whole year. I really think you're overthinking things a bit. Is it just more money you're seeking or what? (because as far as I can tell, you've had the creative freedom part)

Manuel

Do whatever you think is best!

vihart

I miss doing more of those videos!

vihart

I also grew up with those columns. They're a big inspiration!

vihart

I do want to sing to snails more.

vihart

Almost no one watches the live streams :) but that's ok! I will keep going on, thank you!

vihart

It is helpful feedback though!

vihart

Oh no, I hadn't heard that the infinite series ended! I'll link a couple for those interested, they're really good: <a href="https://youtu.be/ciM6wigZK0w" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/ciM6wigZK0w</a> ooooh they did one on associahedra! <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7wNWQ4aTLQ" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7wNWQ4aTLQ</a> But back on topic... thank you for you extremely kind comment. I'm of the firm belief that grade school teachers are superheroes, and I'm very flattered to be given some inspirationocredit!

vihart

This is a good idea.

vihart

Agreed, archives are good to have sometimes!

vihart

Traffic poetry might be my new hobby.

vihart

This is an interesting idea! And it looks like others might be interested in it too.

vihart

Someday I hope to not need donations again! But in the mean time I am very fortunate to be able to keep doing what I do with your help, it is much appreciated. Avoiding mega-triple-burnout is #1 current priority!

vihart

I will probably do a book someday, when I have a bit more stability in my schedule! Thank you for your trust and patience.

vihart

This really gets at the heart of what I want to do. Communicating a thought process through video means I get to take advantage of an established medium, which has its upsides and downsides... it's much more effective in the short term for people, but I think newer media might have even more powerful potential for communicating ideas. It just can't be effective until we develop the language and techniques, which for film only took over 100 years so we'd better get started on this journey right quick :)

vihart

I'm actually starting to plan to do some talks again. I burnt out on it real hard when speaking fees were my main source of income back in the day (and try getting a decent speaking fee when you're fresh on the scene...) but after a long break I'm ready to start again at a saner pace this time.

vihart

I like this plan! :D

vihart

This is true. One can't be sure where a new direction will lead, but one can definitely be sure that the old direction of chasing the Almighty Algorithm isn't going to suddenly go somewhere it hasn't gone before.

vihart

I like the nomenclature you've got goin on. I'm always interested in trying to capture and communicate process rather than product, although I find that difficult to do during the process rather than a reconstruction in retrospect. Sometimes it's as if too much capture will solidify a liquid-think before it has a chance to crystalize naturally into its most beautiful form, especially as I tend to not think in words. But I'll ponder what sort of process-capturing I can do that doesn't rely on explaining a thought in clear expository word bits.

vihart

Yess! Museums! They are an important part of my research plans. Museums have been working on the problem of thinking/communicating in space for long before VR was a dream, and at eleVR we found a lot to learn from them.

vihart

Now I'm imagining I'm like Midas but metaphorically :)

vihart

I do like a suggestion that involves research! Let me know if there's any other Patreon pages you think are done particularly well.

vihart

Thank you, keeping the content freely available is important to me!

David Lu!!

Only in it for the microwaves

vihart

Oooh MoMath! I haven't been there in years, glad you had a chance to go. Say hi to your daughter for me, she sounds super cool. I use those same velcro wire ties and I know exactly what you're talking about... now they are slugcats forever! Slugcats do lay eggs, it has been proven!

vihart

Yeah, I'm fine for the moment but financial sustainability in the long run is still a big worry, especially as even with all the videos and trying to draw in new patrons we've been net negative most months this year. So even at that level of video making it wasn't looking like this would work out long term, and that level was too much.

vihart

Microwave project is still happening, I promise. It's just on the.. backburner for the moment.

Amanda Serenevy

Your work has always been very high quality and worth waiting for. Many of your creations break new artistic ground, and many provide a delightful encounter with a creative and inquiring mind. I think finding a way to support a sustainable slower pace of work seems like the right answer. However, maintaining a steady rate of highly creative work over many years is always difficult.

Andrew Reid

I voted for pay-per-video videos (and every-other-month videos) and written articles about research, and I'd be excited about those, but I don't feel like they exhaust the possibilities. I think you should do research too, but as you say it's hard to fund outside of an institutional context. I have difficulty sometimes with both Lens content and livestreams, because I am not necessarily available to consume/participate during the limited time windows, because I am both fairly busy, and very profoundly disorganized. Would it dilute the brand too much to have *two* Patreons, one for near-term output like videos, and a second one for "we like and trust Vi, use this money to not die while courting your muse"? Or would the video one just get all the money and attention while the other one would just be a sub-critical subset of Vi Hart completists? Maybe this ends up just being a different way to express the pay-per-video model. Also, on the topic of education and understanding complex stuff, are you familiar with "The Carpentries"? This started out as a "teach software development best-practices to scientists" effort from Greg Wilson at the University of Toronto, and differs from "ordinary" software-development education in that it's aimed at a research environment, where one is writing code to answer a research question, so it's not like there's a specification or a commercial customer that's the software goal. It's highly focused on foundations, there are units on how to use the Linux/Unix shell environment, and version control, and elementary coding with Python. It used to be called "Software Carpentry", and there was a parallel/related "Data Carpentry" effort, but they're now merged into "The Carpentries". It's relevant here (IMHO) insofar as they lean very hard on educational science to inform their teaching methods, so it's an interesting-to-me way of broadening the number of people who can start to use software tools to understand complex things. Whether this would inform your approach to education is something I don't know -- on the one hand it's accessible and methodologically clear, and/but on the other hand, the beginner focus might make it kind of oblique to what you're trying to do.

David Lu!!

(which is really to say I love everything you do, and want you to be able to do whatever you want, including videos of microwaves)

Harmen

> I'm here for literally anything! I'm all in for surprises are experiments. It would be a waste to keep you stuck on doing the same thing forever. My vote is for following whatever you're interested in. That also means that some things will fail, since there is no progress without failure.

Steve

Thanks for the response. It kinda seems like a balance between more freely creative projects and "income projects" to keep the lights on. Seems like most of your patrons are here regardless, and you could maybe think of Patreon as your outlet for mostly the former (after restructuring the reward tiers like you want). Even just checking in with a lens is cool; personally, I've enjoyed watching Doug Barker and doggit. :) You have a neat way of looking at the world that I really respect. Anyway, Be Well.

Melanie Bodie

I don't think the pay-per-video model would work well for my family. In our house your primary audience is my tween daughter who doesn't make purchasing decisions. [I enjoy your work too but don't prioritize it enough to keep up with the lens stuff. I did enjoy the scutoid summary. I didn't get much from hearing about your AR/VR work, probably because I don't have enough background knowledge.] As a parent, I think my daughter has learned more from your Patreon postings than from the videos themselves this past year. Your writing makes it more 'real' of why you need to think things through and make decisions along the way if you want to produce quality. There are other youtubers that talk about making videos but it's all simplified to look easy and appealing without much thought needed. I think my very favorite item from you this year was when you shared part of an actual script and the effort that went into crafting it. p.s. I'd vote to keep the t-shirts even if they aren't very profitable because it helps the kids identify other Vi Hart fans.

S Brackett Robertson

And the combination of VR and museums is one to think about too - both are doing interesting things and can learn from each other but I'm also curious about projects that combine the two. Though I'm most interested in math content in museums, which could hypothetically use VR too.

David Honour

The variety and lack of algorithm pleasing spamminess are some of the things that I like. A lesser amount of good stuff is better than lots of medium stuff IMHO.

AJ

Your randomness is the best part of you! I know I'm not just speaking for myself when I say that many of us are here for everything you create, not just the videos. Don't burn yourself out we want you to be happy! You are such an inspiration for me, (especially you music! It's amazing and you need to make more of it!) and if you think something is worth time, then it's probably one of the most important things in the world right now.

Octa9on

The main thing I need from creators whose work I follow or contribute to is updates. Even if the update consists of "this is taking longer than I expected, thanks for your patience". I have enjoyed pretty much all of the stuff you've done, and I look forward to the stuff you will do. Just keep us in the loop, and that's good enough for me. :)

vihart

I am glad the updates are useful! I like loops of all kinds, including being in them.

vihart

That is good to hear and I appreciate it. The feedback on the posts, especially!

Mary Beth Hicks

hi vi, you are such an inspiration to my 11 year old son, who watched all 50 "math for fun and glory" videos this spring on khan and could not get enough. we both carry around hexaflexagons and have been absolutely delighted with each and every math video you've put out. yesterday he started middle school and as i was trying to do the obligatory first day photo sesh, he turned his head and got distracted by a cool spider web on the bush behind him because, spider math (and i know anyone reading this is singing those two words). i mean just the fibonacci series alone!!! i could go on. we are mere pi supporters (he would be tau supporters if it was coming out of his bank account, he is the truest true believer in the family) so our vote should count little, but i did want to add that when the choice came down to paying for content, your dona nobis pachem music video stole my heart and won my dollars. so, i'm sharing all of this to say that there is no ONE thing, not even math videos, that explains why we are here. it's YOU! all of the magical wonderful mathemusicianness of you. i'm blessed to have my son looking up to such a brilliant, witty, socially conscious, and creative person as his idol. <3 mb and quinn

Mike Sugarbaker

Video interview series in which you play a board game with a guest but interpret play of the game as if it were all a big tarot reading

vihart

I like this suggestion because its kinda like how I play board games already! Always gotta have a meta-game.

vihart

Yay, I love that you're both card-carrying hexaflexagon club members! And that your son has a healthy appreciation for spider webs. Thank you for your comment and say hello to him for me!

SeeFood

You think you're busy, but I only got to read this right now. Worked hard to cut down 500 open tabs in my firefox and when I got down to 52, this post was waiting :-) Honestly, I am happy to fund creative mathemagical (and mathemusical) minds. I don't care if I get an edutaining vid from you only twice a year, if I know my money helps a special mind like yours do what it needs to do to make our world richer and smarter. So go forth, research and invent, and please just remember to send us a few words about it it every month or two :)

AJ

Write stories! I don't know if you do that, but you would definitely be good at it. And poetry, too. Your writing is amazing and unique, just like everything you teach us about math, science, art, psychology, tech, and so much more uncategorized stuff. And keep up the music!