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Lauren Reacts! Stargate SG-1 S2E13 'Spirits' (Patreon)

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2026-08-30 21:00:05
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Louispul5

32:12 it's also a bad conflict. You could just go find an ore vein a couple hundred miles away. 36:45 just to have the SGC find Tonani for them. You just heard the bird turn into this guy. 45:27 *Menacing Jazz Hands* 48:22 See. Could have just moved the gate to that ore vein 200 miles away, they weren't using it.

Hollow

One quick note that I think is funny, you mentioned that Jack some how knows that it’s a big planet, but I’d argue every planet is a big planet, certainly any planet capable of supporting life naturally. It’s admittedly a conceit with the series that they rarely explore very far from the gate, but that doesn’t mean the rest of the planet isn’t still there, though the gate is likely placed in the most ideal position, so it makes sense for settlements and development to revolve around it. Also I don’t necessarily think that Tonané was really being sarcastic or a little shit as you might think initially. At least prior to discovering the spirits are real to them and in reality he’s just an incredibly kindhearted and sheltered/naive individual. Personally I love him as a character, I think he makes for a great middle man, given the way he plays everything so straight, when it on the surface it appears as comedy or like he’s fucking with them. Also I don’t think that moment you took as a mistake really was, I think it was their intentional albeit potentially poor attempt at emulating certain indigenous speaking cadence that resulted in such stilted speech that feels slightly off, but ultimately what they were going for, but I could be wrong. As it actually does make sense how he intended it. Given they always ask the spirits directly, that’s how they interacted with the spirits, with the spirits then supposedly asking the mountain, at least by their understanding, especially as it just then appears in the river run off from the mountain. They don’t realize that spirits are actually technologically advanced and refining it and placing it in the river to maintain the illusion. So while said in a stilted or at times an abnormally slow and then rapid cadence, saying “Well First We ask the-uh… spirits, to ask the mountain for the ke” would be accurate and honest. As it is a linguistic quirk of when ancestral Salish and other indigenous speakers adapted to english they carried over their native speech rhythms, creating a unique dialect where word endings are held longer and given full vocal weight. So given that context and that the actual contents of what he says is entirely accurate and factual, it doesn’t feel like a mistake or dishonesty. Since I don’t think it would really make sense any other way, simply asking the spirits on their own while technically possible, wouldn’t be entirely accurate, as culturally the Salish and many indigenous tribes genuinely believe that the water, land, natural resources and in this case mountain are alive and possess their own spirits and will. So while they in theory could, they wouldn’t traditionally be communing with the mountain directly, they’d trust Xe’ls or T’akaya to do so on their behalf. I apologize if I’ve wasted too much time fixating on this one detail, just thought it was of note, as I genuinely don’t believe it to have been a mistake or dishonesty. As it is consistent with an actual quirk of Salish linguistics. As it does lend itself to almost sounding like a mistake or as if you’re making up what you’re saying on the go. It’s just the natural rhythmic cadence tends to stretch out words and adding additional vowel sounds. Such as “The” becoming “The-uh” But I absolutely still could be wrong, maybe I still don’t even understand exactly what you were saying the mistake was. Just figured most probably would not be aware of that specific linguistic quirk. Also I definitely agree that the writing very much does lend itself to you naturally reaching various thoughts or conclusions on your own, even before they outright say it themselves. It’s partly what I always bring up about the series being a hard scifi system and not a soft one. It has consistent writing, scifi mechanics and concepts that lend itself to making those conclusions independently. As the writing is consistent and adheres to its own logic, not often having major divergences simply because the narrative/plot needs it to. The way many other soft scifi or fantasy systems often do depend on the whole “a wizard did it/techno wizard did it”, to make the narrative do whatever they need it to. Which obviously does not lend itself to such independently reaching or predicting conclusions as viewers, as it’s not something predictably outlined within the writing.

Hollow

I don’t think that’s really fair, they make it pretty clear they’re a nomadic Native American tribe analogous to the real Salish and this is more an idealogical, philosophic or even spiritual matter, not simply a logistics issue. It doesn’t matter if “they weren’t using it”, whether it’s 200 miles away or not. You’re still ultimately desecrating the land they view as sacred and stealing from them in one way or another. Especially as culturally the Salish and many indigenous tribes genuinely believe that the water, land, natural resources and in this case mountain are alive and possess their own spirits and will. Not to mention the fact that eventually they as nomadic tribe will likely move as the seasons shift to wherever you’ve now potentially decided to mine, even if it isn’t for many seasons or years. But regardless of where, simply knowing you’re there with the intent to in their eyes desecrate their land and spirits is enough to instigate further conflict. Since it’s arguably no different to their proposed intent to go and mine the land when the Salish migrate as the seasons change. Which obviously that entire proposition was clearly stated as completely unacceptable and wildly unethical. That’s why I think it’s a little disrespectful to trivialize what is obviously meant to be analogous to the stolen land and detriment to the people meant to mirror the real colonization of America, as a “Bad Conflict”. As I believe that was the ultimate intent of this episode, to look to another culture and mythology and the real people/history who potentially believed and inspired it. As ultimately this started with them taking it without permission in the first place, admittedly they weren’t initially fully aware, but when they returned to that area and made them aware, it didn’t stop them. So a relationship built on distrust doesn’t so easily find a middle ground like that, just because when confronted for taking it, you now decide to try and work something out now that you’re caught and left with little choice. Especially when there’s arguably no middle ground that they wouldn’t consider desecrating the land, that they believe to in a way be alive and sacred. It just feels kind of tone deaf to suggest it’s at all okay to just sneak around disregard their beliefs and take it anyways, no matter how distant it is. As it’s simply not theirs to take or feel entitled to and the Salish would certainly take issue no matter how far away it is. Since it’s not an issue of logistics or scarcity, it’s an issue of culture and spiritual beliefs. Moving the gate changes nothing, all of those issues still exist. Along with the spirits general belief that they could never trust their word without literally burying the gate and making it impossible to betray them. Moving the gate even to the complete opposite side of the planet does nothing to assuage that concern or core ideologic issue.

Louispul5

1) Them being nomadic means they own nothing and we can take everything. Nomads can't own property, or they're not nomads. If they own land, they are no longer nomads. They're normal people with a summer home and a winter home. 2) They don't own the land. The spirits being aliens means the aliens own the land and are keeping the humans as pets. Keeping humans as pets=keeping them as slaves, and they're no better than the Gua'ould, they just have better PR. If I was watching over freed human slaves from the stone age, and hundreds of years had passed, they would not still be in the stone age, unless the aliens are keeping them that way on purpose. (You know, like never letting them develop any technology of any kind, because you won't let them mine any materials.) Jack would have been within his morals and rights to say we'd invade and overthrow these alien slavers, free the humans, and get the metal as a reward. 3) The aliens are also assholes, because they could have just sold the metal to the Earthlings and avoided the entire problem. Our mining methods are too destructive? Cool, you use your methods and sell it. 4) It doesn't matter what they believe. Their beliefs were proven 100% wrong in the episode. There are no spirits. The New Vegas DLC Honest Hearts went over this. World ended. Bus full of kids crashed in a national park as the bombs fell. An insane survivalist was living in the park. He took care of the children secretly until they were adults and he died of old age. They thought he was a "cave spirit" that protected them. they were all then, useless, helpless victims of everyone, because they never did anything themselves, their "spirits" did everything.

Louispul5

Or to make it shorter: It wasn't the Americans negotiating with the Salish, While the Martians looked on, so the entire metaphor collapses.