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The Walking Dead 4 x 3-4 | Full-Length Reaction (Patreon)

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2025-09-29 23:01:12
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Julia Timlin

Tyrese is a GREAT character. I haven’t watched this series since it came out so I don’t even remember his fate and I’m with you 😭😭 he better not die 😭

Ellen Noir

On Carol: She’s one of my favorite characters and it’s hard for me to be mad at her but I was too disturbed by what she did to understand her reasoning. I’m not mad at Rick for his decision either. She’s been acting too much on her own lately and in order for the group to survive, everyone needs to be a part of it. Also, I noticed on this re-watch all the subtle ways Rick had been looking at her throughout the episode before she confessed and the emotion in her face when she talked to Tyreese. It’s one of those things that can only be pieced together once you know what she did.

Laura Thate

There is one thing that really sticks out to me about that girl Lizzie that Carol told her not to call her mom. That girl Lizzie is delusional she believes that she kills them they turn into a walker and are alive but turn something else alive, maybe as a coping mechanism for her parents death and turning into walkers. The same reason why she fed the walkers the rats she believes they come back “just different“. Even Lizzie‘s sister said at the Walker fence where Carol saw that she was feeding rats to the walkers. The little sister said “Lizzie’s different.” I think Carol is covering for Lizzie. It’s just my feeling.

First Name Ella

Nawww sorry Tyrese was outta pocket at the beginning and out of character for someone usually so level headed.

First Name Ella

And then Rick goes and acts even more out of pocket by punching him back!? A man out of his head with loss and mourning!? Bad leadership Rick. 5:55 EXACTLY FRANK!! TELL 'EM!!

First Name Ella

Bob was so real for just taking the shovel and helping :'(

MegMegMegg

I love the way the writers show you Bob's heart. He sees the walker who was unsuccessful in opting out with his friends, and he has empathy for that failure, so he helps them complete it. In showing us how he really is in these small moments, it makes it much easier for the audience to sympathize with his addiction, which opens their minds to giving that space to people in their own lives. TV is amazing, and this show is a perfect example of why. But you can also understand why Daryl is so angry with Bob. He grew up in a family that I'm sure he believes addiction destroyed. In reality, his father was a bad man, and he destroyed their family; addiction was just a symptom of that. Of course he would be the one to have the strongest emotional reaction to it causing problems for their group. It also makes sense for Tyreese to be the one to show the most sympathy, as he is currently grappling with doing the wrong thing in response to his trauma. The vet school group is just full of people I adore, all so well-written. When you were praising Carol at the start of this video, I had to say "You poor, sweet summer child" cause I knew that wasn't going to last. 😭I am fully on Rick's side for this one. She didn't give them the chance to live, and if she had discussed it with the council, Hershel could have told her that too many people were already exposed, so killing those already showing symptoms wouldn't stop the tide if it was rolling in. I don't think she's a bad person, and I don't believe Rick thinks that either, but her willingness to make irrevocable decisions without talking them through does make her dangerous. His way of dealing with it was merciful. Rick was confident she could survive and sure that Tyreese would either call for her head or kill her himself (though I personally question whether he actually would).

Erin n Stefan

I just finished episode 3, but I think Carol was definitely wrong to do it… she thought it was “necessary”, but it wasn’t because it didn’t even stop the spread of the disease. It also exposed her to the disease unnecessarily and she dragged blood through the hallway in disposing of the bodies! That’s not going to stop anything, outside of the fact that she murdered people! Her paradigm about what is or isn’t necessary has shifted to something most people wouldn’t recognize, and she’s now a wildcard who could take matters into her own hands when it suits her. I’m worried about Carol now…

iris

I have so much to say but I'll be careful so no spoilers will slip up. Carol is one of my favorite characters, she's come so far and while she might fuck up (like this one time) it's so hard to see her drive away. Rick was completely justified. At this point of the story who knows what would've happened if Tyreese found out she did it while she was at the prison, in a way, he wasnt ust trying to protect the people of the prison but her too. Another thing, she said she "could handle Tyreese", something I didn't remember at all and for a second I had to pause because what did she mean by that... I don't think she meant it in a "i can win a fight against him" but it kind of sounded like it? I still think she meant more like she could handle his reaction. Regardless, I wish Rick and her could've talked more about Tyreese and about how what Carol did affected him, even if both of them already saw it and KNOW, discussing it would've probably made Carol realize how deeply wrong what she did was. She didnt even let him say goodbye!!!!!!! As I said, she's come a long way since season 1. She's great with weapons now, resourceful and smart but she's also become colder and calculating, making choices for the "greater good" without consulting anyone. It's understandable that Rick had to think about it hard before making a decision, he loves her just like us the viewers love her. I really liked to see how he struggled with the choice (just like you did with the dilemma lmao), he was fair with her too, telling her he was gonna tell everyone what happened. It might've been harsh to kick her out but I don't blame him. Rick still got it!!! On another note, I'm so glad we're starting to see Michonne and Daryl's friendship, they're so silly together and I really appreciate him letting her know they want her to stay longer at home and that he's happy she was there with them this ep. I'm pretty sure she had been following the Governor's trail for months? Even Carl was disappointed when a few eps ago she said she was gonna go again and he was like "you just got here!" she is soooo loved

Matthew Arner

Man Tyrese is such a good man, after getting his face punched in he still is quick to admit his fault and apologize when Rick approaches him, he could have easily held a grudge but even so fresh in grief he could recognize that wasn’t right. Also I think Hershel comparing Rick’s violence to relapsing is spot on, Rick is still highly damaged, and even tho he’s taken a step back in the group that repressed rage is still right there.

Ellen Noir

Oops, accidental spoiler. 😬

Ellen Noir

Tyreese is a rare one. I think he's an empath who’s clung to his principles like a suit of armor, which is why he hasn’t lost them despite the horrors of the new world he’s living in. I think thats why he lashed out in such a visceral way and why he was quick to accept Rick’s apology and recognize his part in it.

lily mccann

Rick also didn’t attack anyone when Lori died. He pushed Glen away. And that was the mother of his child he’d known for most of his life.

pamysue

🙁I get what you're saying about Tyreese grieving but what he said is right. "It's on both of us" He should not have thrown that first punch and Rick would not have fought back. Rick has had the crap knocked out of him an awful lot and if you hit him, you need to be ready for him to come back. ~ I do have to add that Daryl walking up on Tyreese when him & Rick first started talking always makes me laugh. Tyreese brushed him off like a mosquito. 😁 🙄Every time we get new black characters it makes me worry which of them will die next. It's like we can't have nice things and we can't have a very diverse cast. 🙄 ✌️Daryl to Bob: "What's that say?"😂😂 Know your strengths, but also know your weaknesses. 🧓👵Hershel is my TWD Spirit Animal. I'm closer to his age than any of the rest of the cast. It's why I related to Dale. It's also why I still work part-time in healthcare. We may be "old" but we still have value to give to others. While I understand Maggie's concern, I'm with Hershel. Everyone has a job to do. 🤷‍♀️Carol Carol Carol I get why she did it. The needs of the many over the needs of the few. It wasn't done with malice or from hatred. I never could do that. And she is on the council and should have at least talked to Hershel or Daryl or something before doing this on her own. It's like teaching the kids to fight without telling the parents. It just not shit you should go off and do on your own okay. But in that same way, Rick shouldn't have just banished Carol either. 🧟TWD never seems to focus on the zombies really. But I get what you're saying. In TLOU, they are sick with fungus and it's still living and growing in them. So far as you are, we have no idea what happened or what this is. 🤔 🍾I get Daryl's reaction to Bob. We know Daryl was beat by his father and considering him and Meryl... I can't imagine his mother was much of a prize. I would put money on there being a lot of liquor involved.

Erin n Stefan

I think the part about Carol that seems out of character to me is that she wasn’t overcome with remorse for having killed them, especially after it became clear that the disease had already spread to others. I feel like maybe she had to detach herself entirely from what she had done to cope with that.

frankfreezy

To be fair, Lori didn't get murdered and burned. That would have probably gotten A different reaction out of Rick

frankfreezy

Yeah it is so sad to see. On a rewatch, I did notice her have a little mental breakdown after Tyrese told her to look after Sasha. That is when she kicked down the water drums and started crying. While watching the first time, I just assumed it was just the weight of all the responsibility, But now I know it's because he essentially just thanked her for killing his girlfriend, and that had to hit her hard

frankfreezy

Totally agree. I love Bob's character. I'm still in shock over what Carol did

frankfreezy

wayyy too disturbed. Such a good point Rick is a great detective

lily mccann

SPOILER. DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVE SEEN THE SHOW PAST THIS EPISODE. Also, when Tyrese was hallucinating all the ones who died that affected him, why wasn’t Karen in his vision if she meant that much? Just a thought.

fara

i was just as shocked as you re: carol i get why she did it but the lack of remorse in her conversations with rick is what’s most unsettling to me. you can sense throughout the episode that’s what rick was trying to gauge. and his discomfort wasn’t just about the killing itself but about carol’s detachment/coldness (?) and what it could mean for them if that mindset gets normalized i wouldn’t have known what to do in rick’s position tbh especially knowing her past + her being such a valuable member of the group and she’ll be missed but as tyreese alluded to, this kind of behavior sets a precedent so the course-correction had to match its brutality i guess also weren’t karen and david already quarantined in some part of the prison? that’s what got me the most. i understand the urgency of not wanting the virus to spread but these were vulnerable human beings and measures were already being taken by the group - they deserved care and dignity in sickness/death

KimM

Epi. 3 First I must say....your suggestion for a Michonne school....hell yes!! Lop off those heads! Love, Love, Love Hershel!! Love that he gave Rick a little verbal spanking!  I cannot blame Tyreese at all for snapping once he sees Karen and David, their dead and charred bodies! To find love is this walker world is absolutely precious and now he has lost it. His response seemed so out of character, but yet he was in utter emotional pain. His response to Daryl's attempts to calm him down by shoving him against a wall and trying to choke him was fitting as far as I'm concerned. Then Rick kicks the dog, so to speak, by beating Tyreese's face to pulp, even when he's already on the ground, only stopping when Daryl hauls Rick off...WTF! Rick's response as you say is just ridiculous.    It was soooo hard seeing Tyrese sitting and not moving out of the car for several moments as the walkers are attacking outside....and then he puts himself right into the horde. Just when it seems like he's done for, he comes stumbling out of the bushes...killing what had to be dozens of zombies by himself, armed only with his hammer! He is a one man army!! What irony when Tyreese asks Carol to look in on Sasha while he's out on the run as he knows that she takes care of people....and yet later it is revealed that Carol is the one who murdered Karen and David. It seems like such a senseless sacrifice that Carol kills Karen and David despite her claim that she was doing it to protect everyone else. The only thing it accomplishes is leading Rick and Tyreese to come to blows, while the virus had already spread to several other people by that point, making Carol's attempt to contain it futile. How Carol could think they were a threat to the community is baffling to me. Any damage they had done via infecting others had already been done before they were isolated. Quarantined, only two things could happen....either they'd die from the flu and could be easily put down in their cells or they'd survive and be able to return to the community. They represented zero threat to anyone. Carol killing Karen and David and burning their bodies is simply a misguided attempt to stop the disease from spreading.  So the council pretty much disintegrates in this episode, as Glenn and Sasha both come down with the disease, Hershel puts himself at risk by going into the quarantine to help the sick, Daryl Michonne, Tyrese and Bob leave for a supply run that's likely to take days and Carol is revealed to be a murderer. Rick figures out that Carol killed Karen and David now knows she is willing to do anything to keep the group safe, especially the children. Wow!!! Back for epi. 4 shortly

Julia Timlin

I understand when people say “it’s the apocalypse. You have to change to survive” but I think a lot of people (or characters) take that sentiment too far. Yes, you have to be more willing to fight to survive and you have to be strong. But it’s when we shift too far away from social norms that the world becomes more and more chaotic. Making hard calls, staying closed off—that’s survival. It’s not living. There comes a point when you can’t let it change you at your core or you start to become too far gone. You can’t live in a civilized world anymore. That was Shane’s issue and it was the governor and even Carol’s issue. In the prison, they’re trying to live. People stuck in survival mode will eventually have to adapt or else the cycle just repeats. It’s like…self sabotage or a self fulfilling prophecy. The narrative of “it was the only choice” is in and of itself, contradictory—an oxymoron. Only implies single. Choice implies there are multiple options. Anyway thanks for coming to my TEDtalk lol

KimM

Epi. 4 As far as antibiotics gathered in this episode...I've always wondered at what point do solid antibiotics lose their total potency beyond the expiration date. I do know that you should never take expired liquid antibiotics as they lose potency quickly and are prone to bacterial contamination over time. And never take tetracycline beyond its expiration date because it can cause severe kidney damage.  Well, Lizzie seems to be our zombie "advocate" since she continues to insist that the zombies are a good thing as it means the dead get to come back, and it doesn't matter that they're not the same because people change anyway. For sure the apocalypse is changing everyone is some way. Despite all of Daryl's character development and becoming more and more a voice of reason, Daryl proves that his hot-blooded streak is not entirely gone when he loses his shit after finding out that Bob has decided to smuggle alcohol in his bag instead of getting the much-needed medicine. The thing that really sets him off is that Bob actually goes for his gun over the disagreement. Whoa!  Hard to hear when Carol opens up more about her past, telling Rick that she learned how to fix a dislocated shoulder as it seemed easier than trying to come up with excuses to tell the ER staff. I can definitely see why Rick refuses to let Carol return to the prison since when the others find out what she did they will either try to kill her or won't want her around. And for sure, Rick no longer trusts her. It is heartbreaking to see him outcast her though, especially when you hear Carol calls out Rick, pointing out that they've both killed people to protect the group as a whole. As cruel as it is, at least he gives her supplies and a working vehicle, and they set off their separate ways. As you say, Fraink, it does feel like a death...will Carol survive????? I found it interesting in this episode that Sophia, Shane, Lori and even Ed all get at least one mention, but still no reference is made to Andrea's death as part of the reason for Michonne's obsession with hunting down the Governor.

Laura Thate

Accidental spoiler? I’ve never watched this show so it was as I said just my theory. I don’t know how to communicate in here when I’ve never seen something, but I feel I can speak logically by observing/ brain bookmarking things from watching the show going back to my mind through threads in previous episodes. I kinda keep an eye on what they lightly touch on, and it was the rats at first and the little girls explanation and what her sister had said that led me to remember the promises that Carol had made to the girls and the children teaching them to protect themselves. I was deducing from what I saw and wanted to speak on. So how can I speak on something or even give a warning to others that what I am saying “might be a spoiler” if I’ve never seen it and just want to give my take on why Carol would be acting the way she is when Rick then asked her “what would you do to protect the group and she said “anything.” I feel like I’m getting a scarlet letter and that I shouldn’t be allowed to say how I feel about Carol when I am asked how I felt about Carol and why she may be doing what she did. I think I’m just going to be quiet and not say anything anymore unless it’s just an emotional reaction rather than a logical thought. My apologies to anybody and anybody who has not seen this series and to those who had seen the series I don’t understand how it could be a spoiler to them, but I apologize nonetheless.

Matthew Arner

My main thinking with carol is this, if it was Herschel and Glenn that were the first ones sick, for example, would she kill them to end it? If she would then that’s fucked up bc that’s her family, if the answer is no it’s arguably more fucked up bc she was willing to kill innocent people simply bc they weren’t her family. But it is so conflicting either way, Rick leaving her out there is pretty harsh but it’s also very hard for me to disagree with. Also whenever u rewatch s4 just keep an eye out for carol from even the first moment she sees Karen cough, you can kinda see right there she has decided what to do.

Matthew Arner

I wouldn’t say she outwardly shows remorse, but we clearly see carol become overly frustrated and make poor decisions bc it’s weighing on her. She’s just already so set on justifying it she can’t start begging for ricks forgiveness now. But it’s still apparent imo that she has remorse and doesn’t want to kill people, but like I said she is so set in justifying killing the few to save the many that she isn’t gonna break down in tears when confronted ab it.

Matthew Arner

Great point, Tyrese’s rage has largely subsided by this point so I think it would be very hard for him, considering what we know ab his character, to call for the death of someone he just a short time ago trusted so deeply and thought so highly of. But who knows maybe him finding out it IS someone like that would make his rage come back to the surface even more so, in such an emotional time.

frankfreezy

You are so right. Both ways is fucked. Re-watching this is gonna be fun.

MegMegMegg

I personally feel it would have been far more brave for her to ask Karen and David what they wanted. If it was mercy, she should have let them decide if they wanted to fight or opt out. She had time to wake them up and ask. I definitely agree with you that she wasn't completely remorseless, though. I think even she knew, after seeing everyone infected anyway, that she did the wrong thing. On Rick, I think he had genuine reason to believe Tyreese would kill her if he knew, even though I personally don't believe that would happen. He thought she was guaranteed dead in the prison and had a shot at surviving outside. I love how deeply you think all of this through!

Ellen Noir

Shit, I didn't realize this is your first time watching it. Now I've spoiled it for you. 😕 Don't worry about what you say if you're just theorizing. Disregard my comment. I'm sorry.

Laura Thate

I’m sorry if I came across harsh it was not my intent. I am in my 80s. I have not owned a television in over 30 years and I don’t have things like Hulu, Netflix, etc. I live on a very limited income. But I love being able to support Frankie because of his heart and how he looks at the world. Many people don’t know or didn’t know that I’m a first time watcher of everything that Frankie has put on here. I accidentally found him on YouTube. I nodded off into a small nap and my phone was still playing YouTube and I heard his voice and I woke up and watched what he was reacting to. And I decided he was definitely worth the money to help promote and get to watch shows that I’ve never seen before that have fulfilled a space in my heart with all the new young people I’m meeting. I’m a avid reader, but my eyes are getting old. There are so many wonderful concepts in the shows that he premieres that I enjoy so very much. I was just frustrated because I get a lot of people thinking I’m spoiling something when all I’m doing is using reasonable deduction and observation and I guess maybe instead of not talking I should say first time viewer this is what I think. That way someone doesn’t mistakenly think I’m giving out spoilers. Again my apologies to you if I have upset you because Franklin always asks for people not to spoil the show. He wants to go into this and others to go into this with a clear un tainted experience. That’s why I love Frankie’s Patreon because it’s all new and fresh to old eyes. I want to thank you for your reminder of spoilers. It helped me to title all my reactions as first time watcher theory. I think that will help go along way. Have a lovely day.

Ellen Noir

You haven't upset me at all. I hope you continue commenting on his videos. I like all the discussions and interaction with the community and I'm glad Frank's content makes you happy. He definitely brings something new to these shows that we wouldn't get if we just watched them on our own. Sorry for the misunderstanding!

Laura Thate

Very nice to meet you… I am grateful for all members who support and communicate with each other here in the community.

Philly Therapist

I love reading everyone's take on this show and its characters, and how Frank encourages our "essays"- it's so nice to be in the company of others who also write long-ass comments!! So during these episodes, I was really focused in on the theme of how to deal with emotions/feelings in this high-stakes world of TWD. From Beth and Maggie's conversations, and how "you don't get to get upset" may sound good in theory but is impossible, as Beth reiterates this as she is literally starting to cry. Even more intriguing are Carol's lessons and feedback on emotions she imparts to Lizzie- that there is no room in this world for fear, and that Lizzie's hesitancy to follow through with stabbing her father was indicative of her weakness and fear, and needs to be resolved if she's going to survive. I will always argue that no particular feeling/emotion in the human spectrum can be removed from our experience, we can't just NOT be upset or fearful in situations in which they are natural and appropriate reactions to what we're dealing with. All we can do if we attempt to remove emotions is just wind up developing more clever and persistent ways to push down, suppress and deny our emotions. But eventually, inevitably, our emotions will show themselves, usually by coming out "sideways"- in any number of unconscious behaviors or coping mechanisms or explosive or rash acts, etc. This all leads me to a theory on Carol's motivation to murder Karen and (David?): I think Carol has been pushing down her own fear, and convincing herself that she is no longer afraid, but is just pragmatic, strong and focused on survival. I think when Carol reached the understanding that this sickness could be deadly, it TERRIFIED her, for herself, the whole community, the girls she is now tasked with raising. While some people will freeze and NOT act from fear/terror (Lizzie with the knife over her father), others will be overcome by their fear such that they are compelled to act, to make rash, imprudent decisions (like taking a decision into their own hands instead of discussing with a committee). I think Carol is still detached from her fear and doesn't realize that's what galvanized her to act. I also think, as others mentioned, she may have found it more palatable to do so because of the "original family" vs "newer members" divide, not only in the fact that the victims were "newer members", but also in her assumption that she would be absolved of her act, and Rick would let it slide because she is "original family" (when she said, "Rick...it's me").

MegMegMegg

No, you're all good, I just really enjoy digging into those arguments, haha.

frankfreezy

Gaddam I love the structure of that train of thought, focused on the theme of emotions

frankfreezy

One would think you had a background in medicine or something😏👏🏽 ah daryl, You are right it's been a while since we have seen him that hot For real Carol and the shoulder OMG. Very heartbreaking

frankfreezy

exactly they were already isolated. scary, still shocked

KimM

Enjoyed your input regarding emotions/feelings...the deeper psychology. When you go through decades of life and reflect back as I have, you see just how much fear is a driving motivator and how much it can impact your decisions and choices...some not always the best as you point out with Carol.  Fear is a primal instinct that serves us and helps keep us alive. And the adrenaline released by fear etches fearful memories in our brain. Nothing makes us more uncomfortable than fear. And we have so many fears in this life...fear of pain, disease, injury, death, failure, not being accepted, missing an opportunity, to name a few. Fear invokes the flight or fight system, and our first reaction is often to flee back to our own personal comfort zone. Your comments about Carol possibly finding it more palatable to kill Karen and David because of the "original family" vs "newer members" divide really ring true. Her comfort zone at this point is the "original family". I think of our own lives because today marketers even use fear as a motivator to use their product or service. It's plastered all over the television, online and hear ads on the radio. Clever marketers influence us to buy all sorts of things that a generation or more ago were considered unnecessary: antibacterial soap, energy drinks, vast array of vitamin supplements, etc. Now you're supposed to buy full body deoderant and spray it all over yourself for fear you stink from every pore of your body...egads! Anyway, I digress......

First Name Ella

They needed some good masks and gloves and bleach and sanitizer

First Name Ella

45:55 hell no it isn’t! You remember the borde at the end of season 2? Man I wrote such a long, thought-out comment about Carol, but went into Safari real quick to make sure I had a fact right, and when I went back to Patreon, the app restarted :’( My point was mainly that, while I understand Carol’s thought process, the prison is extremely large, and killing them wouldn’t do anything a quarantine wouldn’t do, and then I questioned again why Rick brought everyone to the prison instead of bringing his group to Woodbury, where they had hot running water. But I guess that’s the irony of this season: Rick picked the prison because he thought he could better fortify it than he could Woodbury from walkers. But the walkers weren’t the danger this season, the prison is. And anyone who knows anything about our FUCKED UP EVIL justice system knows those places spread airborne diseases like crazy. The truth of how bad Covid was for prisoners, I hope, will one day be told. But I digress: even rhough I loathe the second half of this season, I think the first half is so ingenious for bringing in a new threat that many of us wouldn’t have considered, especially pre-Covid.

First Name Ella

I agree, but I also think Carol was right when she said those two were dead anyway, going to die a painful death, and were extremely dangerous to the group. If she had stopped the spread of the disease by killing them, I wonder how the conversation would change. To be clear: What she did was extremely wrong, but I also think she was right when she said they were dead people walking anyway… doesn’t make it better though :(

First Name Ella

Antibiotics in pill form can last a very, very long time: Far longer than the expiration dates on them. They will eventually lose some potency, but you can make up for it by taking extra doses.

First Name Ella

I think you COULD argue that the way Lori died was even more brutal and gut-wrenching for her partner :( Still Team Tyrese for life.

Jen Bee

Late and brief comment, but just gotta throw it out there that I felt EXACTLY like you did about the Carol situation when I watched it the first time, Frank. I even remember literally saying out loud to the people I was watching it with that I was so torn! That and I kept saying, “I hate this! I hate this!” 😆😭

First Name Ella

1:50:45 a counsel should have decided what to do with Carol tbh. He shouldn't get to decide for everyone.

Pat McConnell

Idk, Tyreese legit started beating up on all of them and Rick just fought back, albeit going too far. And to be fair, not that it’s right to compare grief, but Tyreese went crazy and violent after losing Karen who he knew for a matter of months while Rick went crazy after losing his wife who he’s known for years, yet he never raised a fist toward anyone in his group. 🤷‍♂️ I know it’s just a matter of opinion, but totally different circumstances IMO.

moon

frank, you mentioned the last of us, did you play the games? and if you did, can you tell me your opinion about both of them and the adaptation to tv? they’re my favorite game ever