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Radio War Nerd EP #450 — Ukrainocracy, feat. Peter Korotaev (Patreon)

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2024-06-19 03:51:35
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2024-06-19 03:52:54
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Guest: Peter Korotaev, Events In Ukraine

Recorded: June 17, 2024

We talk to Peter Korotaev about his substack Events In Ukraine, an unvarnished look at how Ukrainians report on life in George Packer's democratic dreamland.

Listen to EP #319 with Peter, "Escape From Kiev"

Total time: 1:43:54

Direct link to this episode's mp3 here

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J P 3

My assumption is that Russia didn't target energy infrastructure in Feb 2022, because they assumed a quick regime change operation. If the assumption is that a friendly government will soon be in power, you want to limit the damage, save on reconstruction costs, and refrain from doing things that will undermine the viability of the friendly government. Even into the spring of 2022, the Russian assumptions seemed to be overly optimistic about near-term success. It was really only with the Ukrainian counter-offensive in the Fall of 2022, that Russia was forced to recalibrate for a long(er) war.

a clash of purple

Saw an article in the Washington Post saying "Ukrainians adopt Russian tactic of freeing prisoners to fight" where they said using prisoners as soldiers was a cynical Russian tactic. Seriously, these people... I don't think anyone reading this needs to be told, but using prisoners as soldiers is hardly a "Russian" tactic. As far as I know it's a standard military practice all over the world, including the United States.

Matt Colston

You'd think the government would expand it's control of the economy instead of shrink it during a war.

MoldyTolge

Lovely to hear from Peter, those inter-familial dynamics sound like a nightmare.

Shfifty_five

Imagine having close friends tortured and dissappeared by the SBU. I would be absolutely enraged by not just Zelensky's admin but the western media's total blindness.

William

Yeah maybe if you’re a doggone pinko commie. Free markets are a way more efficient and responsive way to run an economy. How would the GOVERNMENT know what it needs to fight a war!?

William

What is being black in America?

Doug Cartel

Rich man's war, poor man's fight, same as always etc etc I wonder how many of these mobilization forces are foreign mercenaries haha whoops I mean western training advisors haha

Joe S.

I'd be curious to hear more about the role of orthodoxy in Ukraine; i.e., what is the relationship between the Ukrainian church and Moscow, has orthodoxy been used as a means of state-formation in Ukraine as it has been in Russia, are devout believers seen as having questionable loyalty to Ukraine, etc.

Shfifty_five

Not that Zelensky is trying but I doubt the US/UK/EU/IMF would let them. Plus there's not a ton left to nationalize, as most of the industrial infrastructure is in the east . Western military contractors are making bank while Blackrock are Vanguard salivating over the "reconstruction".

Michael

So there’s a couple different churches in Ukraine. In context of orthodox, theres the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, the Orthodox Church of Ukraine. Both orthodox, but different leadership. If I recall correctly, the Ukrainian Orthodox Church falls under the Russian orthodox jurisdiction. Since the Russian orthodox patriarch has basically condoned the war, naturally there is going to be some strife between parishioners of the different churches. The Orthodox Church of Ukraine wants to be independent (there’s so so many reasons why orthodox churches are nationalized, won’t go into it right now) from Moscow, and some in Moscow think this as well, which causes strife in Moscow. How one solves all this, and the war ultimately, is to convert everyone over there to Catholicism via the byzantine rite, best compromise for everyone. Haven’t listened to the episode yet but looking forward to it.

Joshua Garcia

Cops sure get it all. Is there a thin blue line in Ukraine?

Steven Aracic Del Corso

The answer is "kind of yes," but it is complicated by how intensely fractured the religious scene in Ukraine was. Prior to the Russian Revolution, all Ukrainian Orthodox Christians were directly under the authority of the Moscow Patriarchate, so the Church could not really be used as a tool of nationalization. Pro-independence clergy attempted to create a specifically Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church (UAOC) in the context of the Russian revolution (and once again during the Second World War), but these efforts failed in Ukraine, surviving only in the diaspora . Thus, the last UAOC patriarch is actually buried in a huge church located only about an hour from me in, of all places, South Bound Brook, New Jersey. Fast forward to the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and within Ukraine you basically have two different Churches emerge: an autonomous Church underneath the umbrella authority of the Patriarch of Moscow in 1990 and a self-declared completely independent Church (Kyiv Patriarchate) in 1992. Of the two Churches in Ukraine, the latter has de facto the stronger patriotic credibility, but was numerically the smaller - at least until 2018 when the Kyiv Patriarchate and the UAOC, along with some parts of the Moscow Patriarchate-aligned Church consolidated. If that weren't complicated enough, there is also the fact that the Church that is definitely the most thoroughly associated with Ukrainian nationalism historically is actually the relatively small Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, which is historically a Uniate Church (Byzantine-rite Church in union with Roman Catholicism). It's most present in Western Ukraine which were part of Austria-Hungary and Poland (in succession), joining Soviet Ukraine only after the Second World War. It's not a coincidence that these regions are the hotbeds of Ukrainian nationalism, as it was in these regions where Byzantine-rite clergy took played the leading roles in national movements that sought to carve out a degree of independence for Ukrainians (or Ruthenians, depending on the time period) against the competing nationalist claims of local Catholic Poles inside Austria-Hungary. This history is why you've had cases of Ukrainians of a particularly nationalist bent actually converting from Orthodoxy to the Greek Catholic Church.

Christopher Small

Regarding the bombing: I think it’s mostly become an effort to pull off/destroy air defense systems, sort of similar to what happened with the Allied bombing campaign in WWII. That and just making them burn up western aid in the least economical way possible. I don’t know if it started with that intent, and sometimes they do try to shut down the power grid to keep reserves from being transferred for a few hours while they’re going for a breakthrough. But my sense is the Russians have always had a bunch of priorities nested into one another, and they don’t seem to mind switching between them based on how things are going at any given time

LPO Crane Jefferson

Stupid story: My in laws made me and my partner watch this year's "So You Think you can Dance" because the guy they liked looked like their son (my partner, he also didn't look like him, they both just have long hair) and the contestant is Ukrainian (cue cable tv propaganda about Ukraine) but all I could think was "so this is where the men of fighting age are." He did not dance well.

Szass Tam

Love the show - but you guys complain about the weather too much. A few days of 95 degree weather in the summer is probably not a harbinger of the apocalypse. Relax!

Hilary is Pant-suited Syphilis

You must have missed the part about it being the hottest month in history every single month for the past year and thousands dying in a span of a couple days at the Hajj.

CR

That’s been my understanding for the duration. They wanted to keep relations with the people good because they are kin and they will have to be neighbors with each other until humanity kicks it.

CR

My favorite right wing theory now is that the west doesn’t care about depopulating Ukraine because no matter what happens, once the war ends they are just going to encourage tens of millions of immigrants into Ukraine from India and other obsequious states and vassals.

CR

That would be an atomic bombshell

CR

Not that thin, it seems

CR

Americans are dying of heat (something we mock Europe for every summer) and no one is hearing about it or cares. Hmm

Brendan O

the great lakes region might be the best place in n. america to survive climate change — yeah some 95F is survivable in a rich country — but even there you can feel the climate apocalypse devastating other parts of the world