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Radio War Nerd EP #533 — The Banality of Israel: War, Genocide & Zombification, feat. Ori Goldberg (Patreon)

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2025-06-28 01:28:24
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Guest: Ori GoldbergRecorded: June 26, 2025

We talk to Israeli writer and Iran expert Ori Goldberg about Israel's war on Iran, the genocide in Gaza, the logic of Jewish supremacism, and the descent into zombification.

Read Ori's latest articles here and here. Follow Ori on Twitter.

Total time: 54:29Direct link to this episode's mp3 here

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Jimmy B

Very insightful, my big takeaway is indeed how much the US has started to resemble Israel itself. No more ‘left’, no more moralizing, no more thinking; just brute force and punishment all the time.

Gooch Immane

What could Hannah Arendt even begin to say?

John Waaben

Ori's description of Israel's economic conditions was a mirror image of the USA's

Ana

His description of the Israeli economy really does make it sound like the 51st state.

Ana

"Told you so"?

Cory

The zombie thing really comes through in quotes in the recent Haaretz piece about the GHF massacres. Soldiers speaking like they know what they're doing is wrong but it's happening in an alternate dimension or something. Definitely evil of some sort.

Elsie Hupp

This is why I just tell people that Israel does not exist, so therefore Israel’s right to exist is legally moot. (The criteria for a Westphalian nation-state’s “existing” is that it has relatively consistently defined borders within which it maintains something approaching a monopoly on legitimate violence, and the Westphalian nation-state of Israel does not fit this definition, ergo it does not exist.)

William Brame

So you can have an Israeli on but never an African or African American? Cmon guys, you’re killing me.

William Brame

They had to know on some level this would encourage Iran to go nuclear. My guess is they WANT Iran to have the bomb. It will make Israel ever useful after it finishes its genocide.

Dec

How can something that harms without any sight on the target be discriminate?

gatito

did you subscribe just to post this braindead shit or are you being paid? idk which is more embarrassing to be honest. i wonder what it feels like to have no soul

Joshua

It killed and permanently disabled scores of children. Ori was correct; Israeli society will be entirely shunned by the world for generations, especially when the boomers die out here shortly.

George P

Is there someone specific you’d like them to have on? Recommend an expert on an African conflict for example and I’m sure they’d be happy to invite that person

George P

A guy with an open class action lawsuits Patreon page trolling with Hasbara talking points is so funny, this is the best Israel and their supporters can do? Circling the drain…

oo __

no one can understand you with all that blood pouring from your mouth, rube

Hilary is Pant-suited Syphilis

It’s not like video of them being set off in crowded supermarkets and hospitals exists. You’re literally drunk on bloodlust, Hasbarabot.

Schaeffer Mallory

I have the feeling we (the US) will bail out the Israeli economy (who knows maybe just give them all the social security funds). Unless/until there is some total recycling of the deep state, we will never let Israel collapse, bc it would probably seen as the collapse of empire

William Brame

I’m not the host or a journalist. I just love this show, genuinely.

William Brame

Thanks for the response! That was like a year before I started listening. I only hit the back catalogue for the Anibole stuff. Just think the Congo, Ethiopia, US Civil War, and other episodes/ events could benefit from that perspective.

bator

Great Episode

NYCM&AHole

I hear real estate in certain parts of Tel Aviv is real cheap since it has a target on its roof

Sean Atkinson

or our CIA will just paperclip and bloodstone Israel leadership into the US like we did with the Nazis, integrate them into the CIA, the Pentagon, NASA, and fortune 500 companies. The US might even pretend to have saved the Arab world from Israel like they pretended to save Europe from the Nazis after we created the Nazis.

xasquim

D**th to the IOF

xasquim

Ky5 hasbara bot

Google Hushabye Vally

Lacing the lebanese supply chain with exploding pagers because some of them them will be bought by enemy forces is very much indiscriminate. There is no care for the collateral of the cheap pagers being bought by a impoverished citizenry.

Tom Poynton

There was that big “shooting and crying boo hoo look how dehumanised we’ve become” Ha’aretz piece from last year that referenced a 2012 book that had accounts of IDF soldiers during the First Intifada 20+ years previously and it’s literal straight-up Nazi shit (one of them even said, “I felt like, like, like a Nazi … it looked exactly like we were actually the Nazis and they were the Jews.” https://archive.ph/SoHWL

JoR

They’re constantly trying to get African guests for the Congo and other areas lol. If you don’t know that fine but you’re admitting you haven’t listened to like 7 years of shows and them discussing the guests they try to get. Sousa Jamba too, maybe you’ll have better luck contacting him William 😭

Demented Avenger

Unrelated: is something going on with Azerbaijan and Iran?

Peter Z

Of course Israel employs strategy and ensures strategic interests. Most of that is exterminating real or imagined enemies and placating the USA purse. And they've been very successful. Iran however remains a significant foe with a measure of Chinese and Russian support. So they'll content themselves with bomb cosplay - all the better to distract and somehow cover for the genocide (think 911/Iraq) - and ultimately move parts of their family to the USA, awaiting Armageddon.

William Brame

Why would I, who has a life, go backwards to every single episode, even ones about recent events that happened 7 years ago? That you gotta go back 7 years to find ANYONE proves my point. I’m just a regular nobody. This isn’t my job lol. I can listen to black commentators all day on their own channels, but again, I want to see their interaction with Mark Ames and John Dolan, because this show really does mean something to me. It’s my favorite show really.

Javier

I found strange that he portrays Netanyahu as the bootlicker and Trump as the master when almost everyone outside Israel is sure the opposite is the case. Would have been good to hear more about how israelis feel towards USA and the AIPAC lobby. I thought they would be proud ("we have them in our pockets").

_tarrvis

"Get it through our thick skulls, that forever war impacts our lives even though we try to make believe that our bougeois fantasies have nothing to do with security considerations. And only when we come to that realization, which can only be imposed on us by outside forces, will we be capable of considering any kind of changes...the only way we get there is being cast into the outer darkness" This is also true for the United States. Our story is the same as Israel's, it's just had a longer trajectory than Israel's short history. Our flagrant abuse of the concept of law, both domestically and internationally. The idea that America is some how exempt from applying and adhering to any sort of law. The idea that it's exceptional in nature that it can sow chaos the world over to maintain it's own supremacy and domination of the world. Our fate is the same as Israel's. And it will be necessary and it will be because of our own doing. But until this point comes, the concept of peace is a fantasy and impossible. But much like the nature of our system, it rings as hollow as US core values.

Alberto García

Well, the US is the global superpower. No matter how much people repeat Israel dominates Washington.

Robert Geroux

excellent. the conclusion was so useful but also grim, since how does one overcome zombification? Being dead/undead isn't a reversible condition, or so it seems.

Dies Irae63

Good interview and Goldberg is clearly an intelligent and deeply humane person. But you still seem to be going along with the narrative that israel is acting of its own accord, is somehow independent in its madness. Modern israel was created by the US military/financial elites. The US recognised the potential of a nation sized terrorist unit in the ME. The holocaust industry and the bizarre supremacist ideology were hyped relentlessly and fed into Israeli pedagogy over three generations. Modern Israelis are cult members. They had no choice as the cult owned them from birth. US geostrategic policy has always relied on identifying and nourishing extremist groups who will do your terrorism for you. In the sixties and early seventies the US elites realised they had this perfect beachhead in oil central from where it could execute its imperial ambitions through destabilisation and terror. To perform the kind of terrorism necessary to its ends, a whole society had to be turned into a cult. Thus, Judaism was hijacked and transformed into mono-maniacal Zionism. It relies on indoctrination from birth and is relentless. That’s why you see what look like normal young people blithely carrying out acts of inhuman depravity. You don’t see this with normal people. They were all raised in a cult and this has been engineered by US elites for a long time. The zombies Goldberg refers to are frozen by cognitive dissonance. We are the good guys but we are all axe murderers. Trying to fit both these assertions into the one brain will turn you into a zombie. Until israeli society is de-programmed and people like Alan Dershowitz are hanging feet-first from a bridge, terrorism will continue to be Israel’s reason for existing. It was planned this way.

Dies Irae63

Ps. The CIA does not exist. It has never existed. There is no CIA. No CIA here. What are you, crazy?

Simon

I've seen you make this comment a few times. Are there specific people you want them to interview?

Robert Geroux

I'm reading Ghassan Kanafani's book on the Revolution of 1936-1939, and it's clear that that Zionism *from the beginning* had these tendencies, autonomously, and with cultivation from the British not the US. The type of supremacist ideology Ori talks about here is baked-into Israel's history and is not an innovation or US zombie-making virus.

Dies Irae63

Yes you’re right. I’m talking about the the later weaponisation of it by the US and accelerated cultural saturation in the ‘diaspora’, Zionist identity pushing out Jewish identity etc.

NYCM&AHole

I see no risk of increased antisemitism after social security is used to bail out the fascist state of Israel.

NYCM&AHole

I thought that was supposed to be Canada.

The Adventures of Mac

I think Israeli assassinations are meant to intimidate their allies more than their enemies.

Sammi

Terrific episode, wow. Totally jarring hearing this kind of perspective out of there.

JoR

Where’s the “agency” as the college kids would say lol. It’s hard to deny that the Zionist’s and the Anglo American empire elite aren’t in the same page. But the idea that idyllic, innocent Zionism wouldn’t be acting similarly as it is now with support from another empire instead is dubious. If it were this simple why would Eisenhower and his cadre “reign in” Israel on the 50s? By this logic they would’ve been allowed to do whatever they wanted too, no?

JoR

Is this always how power is identified? In politics? In daily life? The “kremlin” and Russia obviously holds much more power then the Kadyrov klepto state, but with so many things regarding the two, who “holds more influence”. Yes if push comes to shove the Russians could just “wipe them off the map” the same way the us could “cut off all funding to Israel”. But in both cases it’s clear the “proxy state” can often get its way, whether it’s true alignment, or if it’s just too inconvenient for the stronger state to make them make the “correct decision”

JoR

I completely agree Javier. The “Israel runs America!” Meme may be an oversimplification, but it’s equally dubious for everyone just to say “Israel holds no influence, in fact they ONLY do what the us empire tells them”. There’s a middle ground of truth there and it’s fair to discuss it lol

Lojban Chauvinist

When I go to www.openclassactions.com on my mobile browser, the top third of my screen is covered by an ad for US/Israel flag lapel pins. Is that your doing? Because if so, I'm a little sympathetic to the people calling you a "hasbara bot"

Lojban Chauvinist

I don't think the pager attacks killed and permanently disabled scores of children. Israel's "conventional" bombing does, though. If Israeli crimes were limited to things like the pager attacks, I feel that the apologists would have a point. That would put Israel more in line with powers like Russia and Saudi Arabia, which are brutal, but not nearly as brutal currently as the No. 1 genocidal settler state. However, why do you think the world will shun Israel when it hasn't shunned any of the colonial and imperial powers for what they have done?

CR

Another thing they and the U.S. learned from the UK

Dies Irae63

No. My comment is about a slightly later period, late 60s, picked up pace in the 70s. I agree that the Zionist nuttery was not pushed by the US earlier.

CR

Some of the attacks on Iran appear to have originated in Azerbaijan based on debris that washed up from the Caspian Sea

Jacob Bucci

Really good stuff, at least there are still a few thousand people still there with a brain and a heart.

JoR

Just to clarify, William, I’m not necessarily saying to should listen to all 500 episodes from the past. But as someone who did listen to every single episode (until 2023 or so lol), I’m just saying that they do, consistently, try to get Africans (specifically) on the show. Sousa Jamba is a specific example, they love his book (Patriots), did a whole episode on it (rare for one book) and they speak how they continually try to get him on the show. Same with topics like the Congo. They’re extremely open about wanting local African guests, but it’s not necessarily that simple with the language barriers. Someone else asked too and it’s a genuine question and not meant to be rhetorical or facetious, do you have a recommendation for a guest who’s African or African American? I’m not joking that they would genuinely welcome the suggestion and pursue it, if it means a good guest who can contribute to an episode topic