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Radio War Nerd EP #552 — Operation Barbarossa, Pt. 1: German Dreams, feat. Annibale (Patreon)

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2025-10-03 18:33:38
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Guest: AnnibaleRecorded: October 1, 2025

While the War Nerd recovers on IR, we begin our series on the largest military offensive in history, Operation Barbarossa, Nazi Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941. And who better to lead us through the slaughter than RWN special correspondent Annibale. In this episode, Annibale gives the background to Germany's invasion plans and military mindset, and he dispels commonly held postwar myths that places all the blame for Barbarossa on one speedballing madman, Adolf Eetler.

More Annibale series on WW2:-Italy on the Eastern Front in WW2 (EP #226)-Operation Bagration (EP #453)-Battle of Kursk (EP #436)

Reading list:-David Stahel — Operation Barbarossa and Germany’s Defeat in the East — 2009 — Cambridge University Press.-David M. Glantz & Jonathan M. House — When Titans Clashed: How the Red Army Stopped Hitler (revised edition) — 2015 — University Press of Kansas-John Erickson — The Road to Stalingrad: Stalin’s War with Germany, Vol. I — 1975 — Yale University Press-Evan Mawdsley — Thunder in the East: The Nazi–Soviet War 1941–1945 — 2005 — Hodder Arnold.-Rolf-Dieter Müller & Gerd R. Ueberschär — Hitler’s War in the East, 1941–1945: A Critical Assessment — 2002 — Berghahn Books.

Total time: 1:33:27Direct link to this episode's mp3 here

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JBS

“German dreams” reminds me of that Gettysburg movie where they say the North and South went to war because “they had different dreams.”

Nosreffej

I just downloaded and relistened to Italy on the Eastern front pt 1 last night. What luck. Heal up John!

William

Now going live to our mayhem and slaughter correspondent, Annibale, what’s it looking like out there? “Eet es CArnage” One of the ringers is back, folks

etienne

pretty hype for that but I was just wondering if the Civil War series is officialy over or? I really liked it : )

ExtraJudicial Pod

Wasn't there another Barbarossa series or was that Bagration ?

John Waaben

Annibale, what is your opinion of Adam Tooze’s “Wages of Destruction”?

etienne

curious too given my most important memory of that book is the nazis felt they had to go into Russia because they needed the oil from Baku

T

Funny how you can interchange the phrases “business sponsors of the Nazi party” for “business sponsors of the Republican Party” and “operation Barbarossa” for “operation Iraqi freedom”….

JoR

First true episode without a cohost right at the 10 year mark. It’s thing for John or Mark to go solo on an interview episode but this is a brand new dynamic . The future co host scouting has begun lol

krumping4

I've always said that The Secret is the woke Triumph des Willens

Zakir KH

Been waiting for this one, thanks!

Sean Enright

I suppose you guys have been teasing this with Kursk and Bagration, but it’s a surprise and a treat nonetheless.

Sean Enright

I predict it will be a continuous trickle as long as this podcast exists.

Sean Enright

Lol hooked from the start “Who launched Barbarosa? A fool would say EAT-lair”

Manfred

Direct link seems broken

Jim Campbell

Thanks for this series! I keep returning to the idea that the Nazi war effort resembled several children disguising themselves in an adult's overcoat, or a Ponzi scheme, or both. Despite a woeful lack of materiel and manpower, the invasions kept succeeding after the targets failed to call their bluffs. It seems that if, at any point in 1939-40, resistance to invasion had caused a quagmire, the Wehrmacht would have been screwed.

a clash of purple

Well, their opponents were even more disorganized and comically inept than they were. You don't have to be an all-powerful military force to win battles, you just have to be better than your enemies.

Doug Cartel

We love pretending that Germany lost either because of one or two idiots in the OKH or because of the Soviets' ASIATIC HORDES because the alternative is admitting that communism defeated Nazism, which defeats the entire "communism never works" thing

Jim Campbell

That's true, another very striking thing about the unfolding timeline is the unreadiness of the other nations to wage total war. It's understandable that memories of the Great War and its consequences were still having a huge impact on politics and culture. Politicians had a powerful incentive to, at least implicitly, promise voters that their nations were not going to war.

Doug Cartel

"the blitzkrieg myth'" does a good job dismantling the idea that blitzkrieg's were ever successful, as an aside

Jimothy Realname

Hitler at the olympics, high as a fuckin kite. Stimming. I love it.

Jimothy Realname

I don't know if this is a problem on my end, but the linked mp3 is 33 kb and won't open.

Hugh Jazz

Either Annibale’s English is getting better or I’m getting better at understanding Annibale. Great ep either way

Bryan Nicholson

Hope John feels better soon. Great ep, always great to listen to Annibale’s unvarnished analysis of the Eastern (European) front. Happy belated birthday, Mark!

Michael Conlin-Elsen

Annibale, I would love to hear you speak about Ukraine in the early Soviet period. Specifically, how much truth is there to the notion of an ethnically-targeted famine circa 33? This is a big talking point for modern Ukrainian nationalists and I'm curious about the historical facts, outside of a contemporary propaganda context.

Brian Gonnella

Has Annibale read that Losurdo book on Stalin? If so, how does he rate it?

Annibale

Yes. It's an interesting take and some of it is absolutely right BTW, but there's other I think it's at odd with the evidence

Annibale

Short answer: The claim that Stalin deliberately engineered the famine to kill Ukrainians (or any other large ethnic group) is not supported by any objective evidence. For instance, the oft-quoted 3.3 million tons of grain reserves in 1933, which were intentionally withheld, is false; the emergency reserve was far less than 1 million, the total reserve was 1.6 million and was not withheld. This was assessed by Western research based on newly opened Soviet archives as early as 1996 (read Stalin, Grain Stocks and the Famine of 1932-1933, by Davies, Tauger, &. Wheatcroft for the evidence in this sense). Does this make the Soviet system innocent of the catastrophic consequences of the famine? Of course, no, because it was the Stalinist government's mismanagement of the reserves from 1929 and the inefficiencies in aid distribution that made the amount of food available during the famine so small. But the victims were not specifically Ukrainians (other republics greatly suffered as well), and as far as the evidence goes, nothing of the famine or the famine management was "engineered". The same goes for other common claims about the famine, such as that Stalin did not suspend food exports or made the Red Army block peasants' access to food reserves.

Annibale

It's a good book, but part of Tooze's claims about German industry are opinions rather than fact-based, the particularly his idea that the abandonment of gold standard hurt Germany's economy in a fundamental way

Michael Conlin-Elsen

Thank you very much for the answer and the reading recommendation, fitting that one of the authors should be named "Wheatcroft"

Dominic White

Fabulous first episode. Barbarossa really the ne plus ultra of that hackneyed phrase "amateurs talk strategy, professionals study logistics" though I doubt even the most serious logistical discussions would ever have saved the ideologically insane Nazis at the peak of the high command from doing what they intended to do anyway. An element I'm fascinated to hear more that I'm sure you're planning on covering is the initial Soviet response - the classic line you hear all over the place is that the Red Army was undone by their relentless will to counterattack and their refusal to simply dig in and wait, but this doesn't explain the weeks long sieges happening across the line and the fanatical resistance in some major cities. Was it true that Soviet doctrine was part of the undoing of the Red Army in the early months, and if so when was the big shift toward a change in strategy? If not, what changed through the winter to make Soviet advances more effective (besides the almost comical lack of forward planning on the part of the OKH, OKW and industrial planners)?

Brian Gonnella

I've been curious about this all day now...generally speaking, what do you think Losurdo got right and wrong?

CR

If names meant anything, why is the Democratic Party the least democratic, actually anti-democratic, organization I’ve ever been a part of or dealt with?

CR

The U.S. just picked up Germany’s war (and Japan’s) in 1945 and the fascists won the Cold War like the south won reconstruction and U.S. history since. And so it’s wonderful to see German get its teeth kicked in by the U.S. and German leadership’s own corrupt and stupid actions while also showing its ass as to how much of a free rider that country has been off its neighbors and cheap eastern labor and fuel. Fuck ‘em and every state like Germany. I cannot wait until Europe is impoverished.

CR

I read that the Germans were never more than 10% mechanized. Only the UK was 100% when the war began and the U.S. was a joke with millions of horses and mules on December 7, 1941.

Kiel Cone

I just remember this as: both Grant and Napoleon studied topology and were quartermasters.

Kiel Cone

No way Hitler would’ve been cool enough to name the mission after Frederick Hohenstaufen II. Just his stupid kraut grandfather who got his ass kicked in Italy then drowned in Anatolia

Jeremy

Been waiting for this for a while. Thanks annibale and RWN crew. Really would also love a Soviet liberation of Manchuria episode with annibale if that were ever possible. An amazing logistical feat

Ander Pierce

Always love hearing Annibale talk, great historian and a pleasure to listen to

Ander Pierce

Call me crazy but I don't wish for any nation, let alone conglomeration of nations, to be impovershished.

Ander Pierce

My best rebuttal to communism never works is China's mortality decline under Mao. Even with all the mistakes, imperfections, natural disasters, great leap forward...China had a life expectancy of 35 when Mao took power and one of 68 when he left. Deng and Xi improved things for Chinese people further, and while they have definitely made use of markets arguing that they're not a communist country doesn't hold water in my book

nick

Yeah, me either. You can't let your worldview be driven by reactionary loathing or hatred. At that point, your driving impetus isn't all that different from a reactionary conservative whose favorite fantasy is imagining all of the urban enclaves becoming impoverished.

nick

Great episode Mark and Annibale. I wish John could have been there too. I hope Johnis feeling a lot better!

JoR

Maybe, wasn’t necessarily the intention to be in poor taste but I get it. I mean, you’re two human beings so if one leaves for any reason (including personal ones), if the show is gonna continue there would need to be a second cohost so 🤷‍♂️

Annibale

If there's no John Dolan, there's no War Nerd. It's as simple as this.

JoR

To further clarify, I don’t disagree at all. I have been a consistent listener since episode 45. Basically a decade. The show has been an integral part of my life and beyond insightful from a historical and current events perspective. My only intention with the comment was because of how important the show is. John’s analysis on historical events, poetry, even his stories, can’t be replicated. At the same time, Mark has strengths that John would readily admit aren’t his specialty. Finance, American politics and culture, Russia & Israel. They’re truly cohosts that are needed for one another. Since the show is so important, I was simply stating that it’s good to have a contingency plan, for anything. Anything can happen to anyone at any time. Mark or John may be unavailable for a month for a personal reason. IF that happens, we want the show to continue. This episode was the first true instance where there was a different co host pair, and it was very enjoyable. So yes I understand the sentiment, and if my comment was interpreted to be in poor taste, it truly wasn’t meant to be. John is the war nerd, yes, but I can at least speak for myself that I would want to continue to hear mark and his insight if anything were to happen, short or long term, that split up the dynamic. And visa versa. At the end of the day there really isn’t a show or podcast like this in the English medium that can cover current events and wars like it does.

Mark Ames

Sorry for snapping, this was a bit too personal. We all do appreciate your supporting the show all this time, and your many good comments throughout the years. (just not this one!)

JoR

No need to apologize lol you didn’t snap, it was a dumb comment on retrospect

Sean

i believe that’s a common conclusion amongst historians. iirc Richard J Evans says the same in his Third Reich trilogy. huge portions of German strategy were just hail mary’s for oil.

Jacob Bucci

US fixation on Venezuela starting to make sense in a tragedy/farce kind of way

Maggie+Al

I feel like it's a bad call to say the Germans didn't take "serious" loses in France, the Germans lost more dead in France 40 than total casualties for the whole Balkan campaing in 41 it was a matter of expectations.

Maggie+Al

At some point we need a revisionist look at 1940 because there is a lot of shit western pop history wants to skip over

Annibale

Of course, expectations played a part, but the reality is that 27,000 killed and 18,000 missing in six weeks of the 1940 campaign was not a particularly large deal for an army that could field 400,000 men in reserve. On the other hand, the Allies suffered twice that number of "irrecoverable" casualties, and Germany won a decisive victory, even if the French and British manpower was far from exhausted. The problem was not a "lack of French troops' combat spirit" (as the cliché goes) but because the Allied High Command and the French government were incapable of making flexible and rapid decisions, the Germans enjoyed an enormous amount of good luck. France also had no "prolonged mobilisation plans" as the Soviets eventually created.

Annibale

Thus said, 40000 irrecoverable losses in six weeks is, for the standard of WWII, a very light price to pay for a total victory. In six weeks the Germans during Barbarossa suffered ten times that number of losses (and the Soviets did even worse)

Anatoly Kir

Hitler out there trying to ✨manifest ✨ victory on the Eastern Front

Maggie+Al

My comments here were in reference to Mark saying the Germans didn't suffer heavy casualties until the Balkans.