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Radio War Nerd EP #177 — Annibale's The Hundred Years War, Part III: Joan d'Arc (Patreon)

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2019-04-19 21:06:12
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2020-04-28 15:19:22
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Guest: Annibale

Recorded: April 16, 2019

This is part 3 of our series on The Hundred Years War with popular RWN guest "Annibale" (RWN's Italy & "Years Of Lead" series, EP 131, 134, 135, 136, 139). Last episode, we finished off with the English victory at Agincourt and the aftermath in the 1420s, when France was all but defeated, divided & destroyed. This episode, Annibale introduces us to one of the most remarkable figures in history, military or otherwise: Joan of Arc, a teenaged provincial girl who  managed—in an incredibly unlikely & short period at the end of the 1420s—to turn the in France's favor, before she was captured, tried and burned at the stake by England's allies. 

Maps:

*Battle of Orleans

*Joan of Arc's military campaign, 1429

*First known "doodle" of Joan of Arc

Total time: 3:00:39

Direct link to this episode's mp3 here 

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Michael

Best episode so far.

Brian Brain

Listening to archive episodes here. About the treatment of women in late antiquity/middle ages, Silvia Federici's book 'Caliban and the Witch' goes over this deterioration of women's rights throughout this period. She's a Italian Marxist feminist, so it's from that perspective, but the story jives very closely with Annibale' account through the first episodes. Understanding the Italian states , and Flanders' as early proto-capatalists sites of accumulation, does help to understand the rise of other classes which would go on to overthrow the monarchical system, in favor of the 'Middle Class' (which originally meant upcoming class of merchants/traders and 'new wealth') that rose to replace the aristocracy. Women held more material power, over trade, agriculture, guilds, especially after the Black Death, like Annibale spells out. Federici traces all of this inher book, but with a Marxist flair, which I personally find a valuable perspective... Cheers. These episodes are a treasure.

fionn wallace

Wow - three hours! That's tomorrows drive to Dublin sorted.

Martin Knutsen

She was a sergeants ruse. They loved her, they could do actual war.

MoldyTolge

Time to file the serial numbers off this and make a tabletop campaign centering around the life and death of Xean Dark, Future-Maiden, as documented through the letters of uh Wenetian Intelligence Agents. Wonder what Frank Franzetta's vision of Joan would be. QUESTION for Annibale or future Hundo year war feedback section: If people developed dogmatic and localized beliefs concerning her looks or acts, is anyone in the historical record really, really insistent that she's a redhead?

Annibale

Her hair colour has been debated for decades without any consensus being reached. The majority think she may have been black haired, while a very noisy minority thinks she was blonde. The are hints on both sides of the argument, but black hair seems the most consistent (she had also apparently a rather sunburnt appearence and was defined has "strong" framed, but again, nothing final on this). I don't know anyone who says she was redheaded

Dave Dolle

Great Episode! I would also like to know books about the Venetian spy services. I am reading "Agents of Empire" by Noel Malcolm

xnfec

From the previous episode, if I heard it right, the French at Agincourt were the Armagnac faction from the civil war in France. The opposite faction - the Burgundians - would have been the chief beneficiaries of the massacre. Maybe Henry V owed them or needed to keep them on side somehow? Certainly he was willing to pay a high price in terms of his own side to do this thing. The thing that strikes me about Charles VII is that he seems like someone who would have been plagued by self-doubt. This is understandable given that of the two most important people in his life, one was mad and the other hated him. Jean Darc by comparison was (I get the impression) someone who was totally sure of herself and had no self-doubts at all. To Charles, she would have seemed to be a godsend, at least when he met her personally. Afterwards, the different factions would have been able to play on his self-doubts to manipulate him. I'm guessing the painting John mentioned was this one: <a href="https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/89.21.1/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/89.21.1/</a> A few years ago I came across a documentary where a Spanish historian tried to make the case that the Inquisition was more about the law and process rather than blanket convictions like in Blackadder and that relatively few convictions were for things like witchcraft. Jean Darc's trial seems to show this in that the railroading was obvious, they were desparate to find legal avenues for a conviction. There are still followers of the Peter Waldense today: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonia_Valdense" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonia_Valdense</a> Are there still followers in the Piedmonte? An example of a bowl/basin cut: <a href="https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-aug-05-1970-hollywood-ca-usa-moe-howard-of-the-three-stooges-90066144.html?pv=1&stamp=2&imageid=E7C7A4B2-042A-4337-88C4-EADC3F318736&p=372758&n=0&orientation=0&pn=1&searchtype=0&IsFromSearch=1&srch=foo%3dbar%26st%3d0%26pn%3d1%26ps%3d100%26sortby%3d2%26resultview%3dsortbyPopular%26npgs%3d0%26qt%3dmoe%2520howard%26qt_raw%3dmoe%2520howard%26lic%3d3%26mr%3d0%26pr%3d0%26ot%3d0%26creative%3d%26ag%3d0%26hc%3d0%26pc%3d%26blackwhite%3d%26cutout%3d%26tbar%3d1%26et%3d0x000000000000000000000%26vp%3d0%26loc%3d0%26imgt%3d0%26dtfr%3d%26dtto%3d%26size%3d0xFF%26archive%3d1%26groupid%3d%26pseudoid%3d%26a%3d%26cdid%3d%26cdsrt%3d%26name%3d%26qn%3d%26apalib%3d%26apalic%3d%26lightbox%3d%26gname%3d%26gtype%3d%26xstx%3d0%26simid%3d%26saveQry%3d%26editorial%3d1%26nu%3d%26t%3d%26edoptin%3d%26customgeoip%3d%26cap%3d1%26cbstore%3d1%26vd%3d0%26lb%3d%26fi%3d2%26edrf%3d%26ispremium%3d1%26flip%3d0%26pl%3d" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-aug-05-1970-hollywood-ca-usa-moe-howard-of-the-three-stooges-90066144.html?pv=1&stamp=2&imageid=E7C7A4B2-042A-4337-88C4-EADC3F318736&p=372758&n=0&orientation=0&pn=1&searchtype=0&IsFromSearch=1&srch=foo%3dbar%26st%3d0%26pn%3d1%26ps%3d100%26sortby%3d2%26resultview%3dsortbyPopular%26npgs%3d0%26qt%3dmoe%2520howard%26qt_raw%3dmoe%2520howard%26lic%3d3%26mr%3d0%26pr%3d0%26ot%3d0%26creative%3d%26ag%3d0%26hc%3d0%26pc%3d%26blackwhite%3d%26cutout%3d%26tbar%3d1%26et%3d0x000000000000000000000%26vp%3d0%26loc%3d0%26imgt%3d0%26dtfr%3d%26dtto%3d%26size%3d0xFF%26archive%3d1%26groupid%3d%26pseudoid%3d%26a%3d%26cdid%3d%26cdsrt%3d%26name%3d%26qn%3d%26apalib%3d%26apalic%3d%26lightbox%3d%26gname%3d%26gtype%3d%26xstx%3d0%26simid%3d%26saveQry%3d%26editorial%3d1%26nu%3d%26t%3d%26edoptin%3d%26customgeoip%3d%26cap%3d1%26cbstore%3d1%26vd%3d0%26lb%3d%26fi%3d2%26edrf%3d%26ispremium%3d1%26flip%3d0%26pl%3d</a> If you want an example of things not changing since antiquity see the Brothers Gracchi for an example of populism versus the establishment <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODI1VOOoey0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODI1VOOoey0</a> though this might be one for Philip Matyszak

Kevin Walsh

Some members of the Burgundian faction fought with the French at Agincourt. The definitive alliance between England and the Burgundians came later, after the Dauphin Charles assassinated Duke John of Burgundy.

Annibale

The Waldensian church is very much active in NW Italy, and has a lot of following in the so called "Occitan valleys" (Val Pellice, Val Maira, Val Varaita, Val Chisone and Val di Susa)

Annibale

John the Fearless (the duke of Burgundy) actually played both sides, as it was commonplace by French magnates of that era. While initially he didn't have an open alliance with the Lancastrian dinasty (and Burgundy later became a strong York supporter) it made sure Henry V knew it would have to with a split army once the invasion began. The problem was the usual - the Flanders and English merchant access to Flanders & Somme basin markets. Burgundy could protect England interest there, while "France" couldn't. John's assassination just cemented what was a de facto alliance based on mutual interest (and on the Burgundian dream to revive the Lotharingian state at French expenses).

Henry

We're going to need an episode about Venetian spies. I think a great follow up to this story building on the idea that people back then and some today still do "believe" would be Philip Matyszak's book "Ancient Magic". Also, if there's ever any interest in going back and doing another episode on the Irish Civil War/Revolution and it's enduring legacy in the Republic, war nerd, local historian, and former Sinn Fein Cork County Councilmember Kieran McCarthy is a great story teller and very knowledgeable about the urban and rural insurgency in the Southwest. <a href="http://www.cobhrebelwalkingtours.ie/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://www.cobhrebelwalkingtours.ie/</a>

Avery

I am digging around in Cardini's book but cannot find the discussion of Venice, which is maddening. There is a mention of Antonio Morosini, who was an... intelligent guy from Venice...

Dave Dolle

I am ordering "La Vergine Guerriera" and will work my way through with Google translate. I have wanted a good book on the Venetian Intelligence service for years. Hopefully I will get the gist of it. Will order "I Servizi Segreti di Venezia" later. Thank you very much for the information. Love your episodes.

Ellen Harold

Wonderful episode, and fascinating storytelling by Annibale. As far as the Inquisition -- I think I read in some history book or other that the University of Paris, specifically, its important faculty of theology, was founded (c.1257) expressly to keep heresy under control as translations of Aristotle were coming into western Europe through Muslim Spain. Aristotle, as was well known, had asserted that the world was eternal and had never been created [i.e. by God]. In 1310 the Inquisition did burn at the stake (like Joan, as a relapsed heretic), Marguerite Porete, author of the mystical Mirror of Simple Souls, a manuscript of which turned up in the library of Marguerite of Navarre [d. 1549], sister of Francis I and protector of Huguenots. And not too long before the burning in 1431 of Joan of Arc, Jan Hus and his supporter Jerome of Prague had met a similar fates at the Council of Constance (1415?), at which they had been invited to speak -- something of a lapse of hospitality, it is generally agreed. One thing that always strikes me is that what Anglophones call the "Middle Ages", namely the 15th century, was for Italy the full flowering of Renaissance Humanism. My ears perked up when I heard Annibale mention, in connection with Joan, her contemporary the racy poet Æneas Silvius Piccolomini, later Pius II, "the Humanist pope". I have a copy of PIccolomini's really quite humane little essay on humanist education for boys, recommending kindness, exciting stories, and fun and harmless games, such as soccer and board games. The burnings of Hus and Jerome of Prague, incidentally, were memorably described in a letter by papal secretary Poggio Bracciolini, a witness. I don't know if Piccolomini witnessed it also, but he commented that the two men "went to their deaths as men invited to a banquet." Paradoxically, as Pius II, Piccolomini became a strong proponent of Papal Absolutism,. Maybe he was tired of all the councils.

THEKILLERWHALE

Oh man, I just got back from western Ireland. I wish I had read this before.

Aditya V

Enjoyed this valuable episode. Kudos to Annibale for trusting Joan of Arc's visions and not being apologetic about them. Yes, they would be true for that time when there was much more faith. Same in India.

radiowarnerd

Thanks. Your knowledge is clearly out of my league. I only wanted to pipe up when you mentioned Marguerite de Navarre so I raise my hand from the back of the class and yell. 'Heptameron!!' because I only know her as part of the long chain between Bocaccio and Sade's 120 Journees.

radiowarnerd

Yes, that's the painting. It not only conveys Joan of Arc's spirit, but does an excellent job of portraying puberty as I experienced it, except that the figures don't show up so well on a garage in California. There are definitely Waldensians in Piedmont. They're an established, prosperous church.

radiowarnerd

That, sir, is heresy. Where can you buy firewood around here?

Ellen Harold

You flatter me! The whole period is so convoluted that I feel I know nothing. Actually I did know virtually nothing about Joan of Arc before hearing your program (and what I did know was wrong!). I did take a course in Marguerite of Navarre and Rabelais long ago, however, and also got interested in the Heresy of the Free Spirit for a while, because -- Free Thought. Marguerite Porete is considered a precursor, but there's no real direct historical connection that anyone can discover. It just seems to pop up again and again over the generations. Marguerite of Navarre protected Rabelais (a free spirit if there ever was one) and also French poet Clement Marot, who was condemned "pour avoir mange' du lard" (for having eaten lard) during lent, and who translated the Psalms into French. One of her stories from the Heptameron was reworked by Madame de Lafayette in the 17th c., as "The Princess of Cleves", and is considered the first modern novel -- the epithet is a little ironic. There are more things in heaven and earth ...

Annibale

Hi Ellen it's fantastic you're mentioning Piccolomini as someone who was "tired of all the councils", because yes, that's precisely what he was. We're going to discusse about him a bit more in the next episode, first because of his involvmement in the 100 Years War "peace talks" but also because he helped transitioning the post Western Schism christianity into the (unfortunately short lived) moment of balance that preceded the Religion Wars. And I'm always been interested into the Marguerite Porete story, particularly because it's so misterious and weird. And it was nice to see "Princes of Cleves" mentioned - was one of my mother's favourites novels.

fionn wallace

The back of beyond in South Wexford - the "Sunny South East", or where global warming might make Irish wine possible.

Ellen Harold

I am thrilled that you are going to have further episodes in this series. I hope you will get up to the Venetian Republic and Paolo Sarpi (speaking of free thought) -- the Uskok War, maybe? Then my cup will really run over. Speaking of Marguerite of Navarre, I did read somewhere that she may have collected, rather than composed the stories in her Heptameron, though I don't know if there is any evidence for that. She did put her stamp on them, certainly. "No one knows through what wild centuries roves back the rose" , as the poet says.

Jelle Haandrikman

Annibale made walking through a rainy Burgundy a lot more pleasant. I'm walking a part of the Camino De Santiago towards Nevers together with my wife. The part we walked today was quite boring and the weather was all clouds and drizzle. Seeing the landscape and buildings from this era made it a pleasant hike. Thank you @Annibale for bringing the sunshine to live, when the clouds messed it up for us.

Cade Jameson

I got a long flight, and now I have 3 RWN episodes and 6+ hrs of Annibale. Been saving it. I hope I can sleep (usually can't) but if not, it's cool now.

Annibale

Curious to hear if in the end you did sleep!

Cade Jameson

Did not! Enjoyed episodes 1+2 very much, and this third for the return trip.

Brandt Wrightsman

I was wondering what the best book on Joan's transcripts were. there was one mentioned early in the episode but i cant seem to find by scrubbing back through.