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Radio War Nerd EP #201 — Genghis Khan, Pt 1: Temujin Rising (Patreon)

Published:
2019-10-11 02:56:48
Edited:
2019-10-11 21:33:14
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2026-06
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Guest: Carl Zha, podcaster 

Recorded: October 7, 2019

By popular demand, Radio War Nerd presents at long last a 2-part show on Genghis (Chingiz) Khan, the greatest conqueror of all time. With RWN guest & favorite Carl Zha calling in from Bali, here is part one: starting with the history of the Mongol tribes, through the early brutal life of Temujin, future Khan, we find out why our generally received idea that the Mongol horde "appeared out of nowhere" to conquer the known world is nonsense.

At 1:39:30 the Nerd and Ames talk about the breaking news that morning about Trump's betrayal of Rojava to Turkey's military machine — it's been long-expected, but that doesn't make it any less sickening.

*Maps

*Mongolia 907-1125

*Mongol Empire, 1207

*China, mid-12th Century

Books

- "Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World" by Jack Weatherford

-"Secret History of the Mongols" by Igor de Rachewiltz

-"The Travels" by Marco Polo

Total time: 2:06:17

Direct link to this episode's mp3 here. 

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The January Storm

So I don't know how true this is because I'm not an expert in modern military equipment but David Graeber made a really interesting argument that the Turkish army depends on weapons like tanks and F-16s that require American, German, and British technicians to operate, which means if you could force those countries to pull their technicians out like the US did with its technicians in Iran after 1979 you could cripple large parts of the Turkish army and give the SDF a fighting chance. There's already been some efforts to pull something like this off in the UK, where people barricaded the offices of BAE Systems in an attempt to both force BAE to pull out and as a way to pressure the UK to stop their arms deals with Turkey. I don't know if it will work but short of just waiting for the Turkish economy to completely implode I don't know of anything more effective than targeting the weapons manufacturers directly.

Smutticus

I just assume that whatever Turkey does is OK with NATO high command. It might not be encouraged by NATO high command, but they clearly don't have any problem with it. Given this, I can't imagine a NATO nation refusing to help another NATO nation refuel their jets. Personally as a Dutch citizen I would like to see The Netherlands leave NATO. I doubt that will happen, but I do believe that's where pressure needs to be applied. If western European citizens actually got their countries to leave NATO, because NATO is abetting genocide, then we might get somewhere.

arametha

Not seeing the new episode on my podcast feed yet. Did the feed change again?

arametha

Yup, there it is! Thanks

Dave Dolle

Hurrah For Carl Zha!!!

radiowarnerd

Somethin' went wrong with the mp3 link. Fixed te links again, should work now. Temujin wouldn't stand for this and neither should you. We humbly beg for your mercy!

JoR

I know there's a plethora of potential guests that can be bought on to discuss turkeys invasion (Joshua Landis, Wladimir van Wilgenburg), but it'd be great if you could get on Elijah Magnier on again, even if it isn't immediately. His appearance on the show (episode 88) was very enlightening, and maybe he can cover the topic from the SAA side, depending on whether they get fully involved in the invasion. Either way, thanks for getting Carl Zha on for the Mongols. Unsurprisingly, he is well informed on them. Maybe later on he can discuss timur too, although he never got to china which was apparently his main goal in life.

JoR

Also, I agree with all the reasoning that you guys gave for the US' reason for the betrayal against the kurds. It was unfortunately bound to happen, but there is a reason it is occurring now. In addition to what you guys mentioned, if trump is eying his 2020 re-election campaign, betraying the kurds can be sold to the base as "fulfilling another campaign promise" by scaling back military usage in the middle east. As it's been discussed on the show, the validity of the statement is largely irrelevant, but the optics is what matters. For outside observers that are either pro trump or on the fence, any news of the kurdish betrayal can be justified as "unfortunate, but we have to leave eventually, and at least we left." of course, there is no consistency to this, as many of these people critized Obama for leaving Iraq and the "power vacuum" this left for isis. Presumably this will cause hundreds of thousands of kurds to leave, and if turkey stays in northern Syria there's no doubt the proxies in charge will be jihadi groups like al Qaeda or even isis eventually. But, to me it seems like trump is getting a two for one: he's appeasing the military and foreign policy establishment by siding with turkey, and he's appeasing the base by "pulling out" of Syria.

Patrick Linsley

Kind of interesting at 1:18 you guys talk about Temujin killing a brother with a bow it reminds me about Attila the Hun killing his brother in a ‘hunting accident’. I have a feeling being betrayed while hunting was common on the Steppe.

JoR

It makes sense. On the show they've talked about how Saudi Arabia most likely can't even use their advanced weapons without American help (on reality it wouldn't be suprising if American pilots were actually operating the weapons on the planes. In theory it could work, and hopefully something that could happen, but unfortunately it seems that public pressure won't affect arms companies much, unless there's actual political pressure against their funding.

Robert Arndt

I just saw footage of Turkish backed militia executing members of the SDF. I'm glad that somebody's talking about this. Thanks, guys.

eh

I think the shedding of aristocratic blood being taboo or a sign of disrespect was a wider phenomenon among steppe cultures, it even survived into the early Ottoman state where the traditional way to get rid of rival royals was strangling with a silk cord to avoid spilling blood.

eh

Are you going to cover the Mongols until the fall of the Yuan dynasty? The first Ming emperor is the real rags to riches story here, he didn't even have a family background to fall back on.

Avery

"Genghis Khan has been branded the greenest invader in history - after his murderous conquests killed so many people that huge swathes of cultivated land returned to forest." This is true Gary Brecher level reasoning http://www.nyu.edu/classes/keefer/joe/dolan.html

Eamon

Great freakin ep, can't wait to play Part 2

Garett Miller

Didn't the Ottomans do something similar to the Mongols as far as executing your brothers when you took power and not spilling any blood? I specifically seem to remember strangulation