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Radio War Nerd #277 — Tang Dynasty's Wars on Korea, Pt. 2: The East Asian World War (Patreon)

Published:
2021-04-25 19:01:06
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2021-04-30 20:50:48
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2026-06
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Guest: Richard Kim, historian

Recorded: April 16, 2021

In part 1 of our series with Richard Kim on the Tang Dynasty's Korea wars [EP #273], China's massive invasion of the northern Goguryeo Kingdom ended in defeat and withdrawal in 645. In this episode, Tang China plays Korea's three kingdoms against each other  — Silla, Baekje, and the largest of them all, Goguryeo — to conquer them one by one. But the underdog, Silla, doesn't go along with the Tang emperor's plan.

At 1:07:00 - the Nerd & Ames discuss current war affairs...

Maps:

*Tang-Silla war on Baekje-Japan + Tang-Silla war on Goguryeo

*Tang-Silla battles

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Total time: 1:30:59

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Charles Turner

Re: the Korean War of the 20th century, I would think Bruce Cumings is the person to speak to. https://history.uchicago.edu/directory/bruce-cumings He makes the case (exhaustively) for it being foremost a civil war, and so the intervention of the US and then the PRC can be seen in that perspective. FWIW, circa 2008 there was/is an ongoing effort at Peking University's department of history to revisit the Korean War on the basis of newly available documentation in China and the DPRK.

Gengeros

What nobody is talking about: us military industrial complex didn’t want to win the war. They wanted to drag Afghanistan out as long and as painful as possible to make a shit load of money. Look at the 65% increase in private contractors in Afghanistan under trump (the peace president right?). Basically Afghanistan could have been one of the for profit system wasn’t controlling our system. Reason Gorbachev pulled out was he was selling out to the west. I always think back to bush in 2002 saying “I don’t think about osma bid laden”. He clearly used Afghanistan as a stepping stone for iraq and didn’t care at all. That’s why iraq has stuff like green zone and will probably never have a troop withdrawal

David Andrews

Great episode gentlemen. Thanks to Richard Kim!

a clash of purple

Well, setting aside that Afghanistan would never have been invaded in the first place if U.S. foreign policy wasn't done purely for private profit, how could the war have been "won?" What was the American objective there? How could the U.S. ever hope to destroy the Taliban for good when the Taliban could always just hop the border into Pakistan and hide out there indefinitely with the support of the ISI? And even if the Taliban all conveniently evaporated into thin air, how could Americans build any kind of functioning nation in Afghanistan that wouldn't be at least as bad as the Taliban was?

Mark Ames

Agree, he's great

Lionel Boyd Johnson

How could the war have been "won" you ask? Are you kidding? We had a great plan, what are you talking about? Let me find it here, I had it on the back of an envelope somewhere... right, ok, here we go...something, something, drones, something about hellfire missiles, millions of dollars on pallets, I think we talked about a couple billion on contactors here, a couple more billion there, i think we throw in a few medals and promotions for good measure, then we've got the bit about purple fingers, and there we go, victory! Huzzah! Score another one for the good guys! Who's next now? Come on, mama's gotta keep this military/ intelligence industrial complex humming!

Ander Pierce

I had a random customer at work, a guy named John amusingly enough, tell me "We're a war economy we always have been, now that we're out of Afghanistan we'll be in a depression until we find another one" haha he had a point and a good deal of earnestness. God do I wish we would invest that on infrastructure and just lean into the whole high tech service economy thing, but then again, what do I knoiw