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Radio War Nerd, EP #55—Defeat & Dabiq (Patreon)

Published:
2016-10-22 23:31:50
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2026-06

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Islamic State lost Dabiq—their war didn't follow prophesy. How do cultures—IS, Byzantium, US, Soviet Union, Native Americans—deal with defeats? Also: Battle for Mosul begins...Turkey bombs Kurdish YPG...Neocon chickenhawk Charles Lister vs Russian S-300 & S-400 anti-aircraft weapons (and US military)...

Total Time: 2:03:32

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Adrian Johansson

Putin's Plan according to the Mainstream Media: 1: Give info to Wikileaks to get Trump Elected 2: Trump Starts Nuclear War with Russia 3: Profit ?

Adrian Johansson

Regarding Dabiq and the Turks. The Turks do claim to have superseded the Byzantine empire with the conquest of Constantinople so one could in a sense claim that they got beat by the Romans :D

Adrian Johansson

I may be a Libertarian with Right leanings but i think you'll appreciate this theory of why the South Lost the war for independence that i heard in a Mises.org podcast lecture. The reason they lost was that they didn't run their economy on free market principles and had too much regulation ! I think the theory has some pieces of merit but i suspect you guys find it hilarious :D

Eduardo Olchelvsky

Speaking of Vietnam lies, morons keep claiming that in Gen. Giap's memoirs he admits that the NVA was on the verge of surrender and it was only the liberal media that held the US back from attaining total victory. As you'd guess he never said anything of the sort.

Jan Meyer

@Longbow vs. knights:

Jan Meyer

@longbowvs. knights (still learning i cannot use enter): i know it is a favourite term in the anglosphere but i think it does not quite capture the essence of the problem. Had the longbowmen replaced the knight it would have been one warrior class with lifelong training replaced by another; with the crossbow and the arquebus though war was popularized: much like the advent of cheap AT missile around 1943 and MANPADS in the 70s and 80s suddenly a single PBI could destroy weapons that where WAY more expensive than him, making those not obsolete purely by military effeciency (heavy cavakry remained worthwhile up until the advent of the machine gun) but economics, the true killer of icons.

Jan Meyer

@Suicide in Defeat: German suicide rates in 1945 quintupled along with a suspicious number of higher officers and officers dying in the last days at the front.

Matthew C

Love the new audio, great job guys! Hearing about the relationships the Turks have with the different kurdish groups makes me realize how little I know of the history or relation the Kurds have with the ethnic groups surrounding them. Have you ever done an episode on the Kurds? I think it'd be an interesting episode, also curious what you guys think of HRC namedropping the Kurds during the 2nd debate. Do you think she meant anything by saying she wanted to arm them?

Oskaras Funk

Interesting topic. I was reminded of how Denmark was reduced to a very small state and an insignificant player in European politics during the 1900 century. After the final defeat in 1864 to the Germans, the coping mechanism was: (directly translated) "What outward lost, should be inward gained", which meant a boom in quaint paintings of the Danish countryside and Danish nature, as well as poetry and litterature in the same vain. The whole 1864 campaign and the story leading up to it is quite interesting as well. Another case of politcians being completely blinded by a mythological beleif in Danish victory, while the generals was begging to evacuate defenses that had been shot to pieces by superior german artillery.

Richie Cotton

The sound quality is much better!

Jakob Stenfalk

In fairness to the politicians at the time, it did not require any great paranoia to mistrust the generals; the constitution was only 15 years old at the time, and most of the generals could still reasonably be suspected of sympathies to the ancien regime.

Jakob Stenfalk

(They weren't all that wrong in their suspicions either; it was only 13 years later that the king and the army staged a military coup and suspended the constitution for a couple of decades.)

Oskaras Funk

True, but D.G Monrad the Prime minister at The time, was manio depressive (I believe), and later admitted that he was not seeing things clearly at the time. And nationalist fervour was pretty rampant at the time, leading to some wild fantasies by the politicians that had no basis in the military capacity of the army. (I'm basing most of this on the two books by tom buk sweinty, but of you have other suggestions, I'm open to reading other accounts)

Jakob Stenfalk

Oh, the politicians in question were absolutely delusional in thinking that they had a prayer in a war against the German army. Though again, it was an understandable sort of delusion, since Denmark was one of the few countries where the revolutionaries(ish) sort of won in 1848. I'm mostly basing my take on what I remember from the version of history taught in Danish public schools, so I can't really help with alternate reading lists. But in any case I don't think we're disagreeing on points of fact here; more on which context to view them in.

Benjamin Glover

Never underestimate having a sound engineer and a decent studio helping you out. Fantastic quality.

Alex Williams

two years out of having a bunch of b.a. cultural studies friends, can confirm people still take baudrillard seriously also audio is <3

Md0

Good sound and interesting topic. With the focus on defeats being handled poorly in this podcast (i.e. whining, being delusional and suicidal), what about examples where it was dealt with well? The napoleon quote on morale, the vietcong, Soviets vs the Mujahideens, the Romans avoiding Hannibal in Italy, seem to suggest that wars of attrition is one obvious way to deal with defeat (though not for the French during WW2). I'm guessing the Mongol cultural assimilations in China and Persia is kind of another way of dealing with defeat by the conquered populations. Another example might be how the ancient greeks maintained some dignity and independance after their pyrrhic victory as the Romans felt there was still a lot to be gained from them. And what about Japan post WW2? I'm thinking that if there's a massive power difference and there's nothing of technological and cultural value to be gained from the defeated people, then all that's left for them is to become 3rd class citizens, slaves, refugees or killed if they were too inconvenient alive for the conquerer. Thanks.

Wyrd

The sound is much improved. However I would even listen to the show if you guys recorded it with a potato.

grey

great episode!

Anders Olsson

I've been unable to listen for a couple of weeks and am just now catching up. First of all I want to say that I'm really sorry about your dad Mark. Having followed you for a long time it's really sad to hear about bad stuff happening to you. You have my sympathies. Great show as always. The sound isgreat. I loved you bringing up Karl XII, the first in a long tradition of strategic fuckups involving russian invasions. He's also a hero to swedish neo-nazis so it's always a treat to hear someone bring up his failure. Props also for remembering about the Hmong. They seem to have had an especially hard time in the US. I remember reading about them back when the Chai Vang case was in the news. Maybe that could be the basis of a future episode? The way colonial/imperial proxies are treated when they're no longer useful. You've both talked about the subject in passing many times but it would be nice to get an in depth examination of it. Thanks for the best podcast on the net. As soon as I've got steady employment again I'll up my subscription level.

Piotr Czarny

The sound quality has definitely improved. Also the content is very good. Thanks. Good work.

Brian

Sounds great, good job fellas. Good show too

Hugo Turner

Great Episode However The US didn't "win every engagement" alot of the war involved them wandering around getting ambushed. See my article on why Vietnam Won the War "Genocide in Vietnam" <a href="http://anti-imperialist-u.blogspot.com/2015/04/genocide-in-vietnam.html" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://anti-imperialist-u.blogspot.com/2015/04/genocide-in-vietnam.html</a> based on the excellent "The Perfect War: The War We couldn't lose and How We Did" by James William Gibson (Do a youtube search for Technowar Vietnam and you can find a great two hour interview with the author)

Michael

Great job on the sound guys. appreciated!