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Radio War Nerd EP #361 — CIA-NATO Sabotage Ops Inside Russia, with Jack Murphy (Patreon)

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Guest: Jack Murphy, journalist & writer 

Recorded: January 9, 2023

We talk to journalist & special forces veteran Jack Murphy about his monster scoop on NATO's CIA-run sleeper cells activated since the 2022 invasion of Ukraine to spread chaos inside Russia — and the problems Jack had getting his story published in a mainstream outlet.

Read Jack's bombshell article here.

-Also discussed: Jack's latest article "Panic Grips Special Forces community amid investigation into drugs, human trafficking".-Buy Jack's books & novels, and check out his podcast The Team House Pod-Jack Murphy on RWN EP #61 — Syria, Jihadis & Chickenhawks

Total time: 1:20:22

Direct link to this episode's mp3 here 

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Shfifty_five

Discount Jack Ryan does his patron no favors by saying it's somehow good that the agency can only recruit Russian assets in Africa where most of their operations are more like traditional colonial rackets involving arms and mineral trafficking managed by oligarchs, mob outfits, local gangsters and pmcs. Anyone with a direct connection to the state is there for a reason. Colonial Kurtz figures, Pariahs, drunks, and fuckups.

Sex With Ted Cruz

Wait did this dude really try to push the idea that Russia blew it's own pipeline?? I am aware of this tool and everything he says and writes fits neatly into the USAID/think tank/state dept. narratives in one way or another, so I can't bring myself to listen lol.

Sex With Ted Cruz

Just the idea that Russia blew up it's own billion dollar infrastructure instead of, yano...turn the fucking valve off is the dumbest shit I have ever heard.

Sex With Ted Cruz

I think it was the US/UK joint operation. US has the biggest incentive cause they want 1) to sever the relationship between Russia and Germany, and keep Germanys economy from getting too big. and 2) force EU to buy their LNG at a 10X mark up lol.

Anatoly Kir

This is going to be spicy

Lewis

The country is Ukraine or Poland?

Lewis

OK 1 hour in he says its Ukraine. Why not just say that from the beginning?

Matt McCartney

Good interview. I look forward to his upcoming joint projects with Sean Naylor. Two of the best natsec journalists working today.

Lewis

I don't understand Murphy, what does he have but anonymous sources? what has he seen to substantiate his story? I mean he doesn't think the large infrastructure attack (Nord Stream) could have been related to this group?

Kevin Hickey

He emphasizes that it’s a NATO country, which would preclude Ukraine. I don’t get it.

Craig Range

Seriously terrible talk on the pipeline. Mark I’ve been a paying follower since the start and I’ve never heard you give America the benefit of the doubt with regard to its “allies”. It flies in the face of American natsec behaviour and it’s explicit anger over European integration with the greater Eurasian economy. You’re becoming a fucking neocon over this stupid war. As a long time supporter I’m disgusted.

Craig Range

Mark is so excited about US imperial reach he’s basically pissing himself. A return to his youth I guess. Very disappointing from someone who once though he was a critical thinker. I guess hating Russian behaviour means the US imperium is cool again.

Major bit me

This probable spook has next to no credibility as a journalist. Read his website - Murphy writes that he is a proud former special forces operator, who loved his time in the military and does not regret his time there “for a moment.” Since his supposed departure from the government payroll, Murphy graduated Colombia University with a PoliSci Degree, has since scored fantastic anonymous scoops, runs a military-targeted podcast with a former ranger, and had a Discovery Channel TV show called “Tesla’s Death Ray.” I mean what, if the special forces are as dirty as Radio War Nerd says, is this Murphy guy somehow clean? You expect us to believe anything Murphy says with his anonymous sources and his background? He writes that after graduating Colombia, he started his website on “a shoestring and a prayer,” and hey look at that it blew up and he had his own tv show just 3 years later! Something is really really fishy about this guy, functionally Murphy has all the symbiotic journalist incentives with the American state, and displays similar behaviors to the DC Think Tankers and NYT editorial board that RWN loves to complain about. And he’s got the special forces, trained operative background to boot - and Murphy himself insists there is huge crossover between CIA and Special Forces! Very weird episode, odd and inexplicable behaviors from all involved!

Lewis

He says NATO ally which could mean it could be either it's double-speak as Ukraine is an ally of NATO but not in NATO.

Lewis

This is either a pathetic limited hangout or complete bullshit.

Robert Rowe

Watching less talented old colleagues fellating oligarchs for (relatively) bigger bucks has to wear after a while.

Robert Rowe

Yes, my first reaction was "It's a very limited hangout" too. Or maybe today's guest really believes in this synthesis of what he's picked up from mainstreampress and anonymous communications from people still invested in the lump enough to keep taking their pay and only kvetch a little. We all are creatures of our cultures.

Robert Rowe

Paywalled. So put up pertinent quote or whatever, I will never give either WaPo or NYT a fucking DIME, they get more than enough money for being organ grinder monkeys for the great Wurlitzer.

Robert Rowe

"A pro" is what some people call a working girl. Did you mean something different?

Tam Mansilver

Yes that’s exactly what I meant Robert

Major bit me

Again, Murphy is a former Special Forces operator from the 2000s, a Colombia University PoliSci Grad in 2014, and has had a quickly successful subsequent media career built on anonymous scoops from the intelligence community, as well as a podcast targeting military people. It is highly unlikely that someone with Murphy’s life experience, has had his world views mainly shaped by mainstream press, and that he’s just a dunce having scoops dropped in his lap by the higher ups. This man has seen or been a part of more top secret stuff than the vast majority of people alive. If he’s a “creature of his culture,” it’s a culture of literal CIA operatives and drug-addicted war criminals and rapists - at least according to Murphy himself.

jkjkjkj

He’s not becoming a neocon, you’re just using big fancy words to make your anger sound smart

Craig Range

Oh? We’ll if you think neocon is a fancy word you must be remarkably dull.

Ander Pierce

This one's going to be a trip, let's ride

NYCM&AHole

The deep state on the ocean floor blew it up.

NYCM&AHole

Which would be the lizard people ie the brits

Craig Range

Not so inexplicable if you listen you can hear mark returning to his pro American imperial roots. He hates Russia so much right now that the US imperial machine is now cool again. Dark times.

Welfare state

Jesus Christ this man should be in jail.

Shane

Ok Karen, go on with your “I’m a paying customer “ bad self

Patrick Friel

Thanks, great interview. One quibble: I don't think Russiagate justifies NATO escalation of the conflict. Even mainstream media like WaPo are walking back their Russigate claims, albeit after 6+ years. And "Russian Ops" like Hunter's laptop have been debunked. Quoting John: "This war is an abomination".

Michael

I don’t know why the blatant US/UK etc motive for blowing up Nord Stream II is so flippantly dismissed in favour of a far fetched theory that Russia destroyed their own infrastructure. The destruction of NordStream II ended a considerable Russian mechanism of leverage over Europe during a winter energy crisis leaving Germany in particular no alternative but to stay the course and reducing the potential for European support for Ukraine to fracture.

Robert Rowe

Strongly agree. A LONG TERM BRITISH EMPIRE PRIORITY was to bloody well keep German technology decoupled from Russian manpower and material resources. USA has taken over many of the perquisites and prerogatives (plus a hell of a lot of intelligence service methodology) from the british empire, "keeping the Germans down and the Russians out" for Europe is STILL a high priority for our military/industrial/intelligence/financial constellation... And the attitudes of USA rulers and intelligence communities are still heavily influenced by the prejudices, mores and tradecraft of OSS/CIA WWII era training by late stage british empire intelligence organizations, plus Oxford PPE degrees of many. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/education/2017/feb/23/ppe-oxford-university-degree-that-rules-britain Yes. On 2nd look, it still smells like a limited hangout and attempt at distraction.

Steve Mathews

I also strongly agree. Why would Russia be involved in destroying an export route for their product when they can just stop filling the pipeline? Also, don't you think the climate people would have gone berserk about the ENORMOUS methane leak if it were the result of enemy action? Frankly, I have trouble seeing any argument for Russian culpability here except: "they did this dumb stuff, so why not this?"

Lojban Chauvinist

Well, this was a disappointment for anyone who already read Murphy's piece. Left many questions unanswered (or answered unconvincingly). I don't get any sense that Ames and Dolan are now Russophobic neocons, though. They were just too genial here, and didn't press enough

Of course

Nope, not a fan of this guest. I can barely stomach the cynical "war sucks, but so do people" take if the World-Weary Lord of Edge has useful analysis. But this was just fact-free misdirection. The "I just can't see the USS Jimmy Carter blowing up an ally's pipeline" bit at around 51:00 should've been followed by "yeah, what a fruit" to achieve full kaleidoscopic stupid effect.

Ross Kiro-Ward

A lot of comments about this episode are focused on how soft Mark and John were with the guest, and I agree to an extent. We should remember that neither Mark or John have been particularly confrontational with any guest in regards to questions or pushback. There’s nothing wrong with this, and if you’ve been here long enough you should know what they’re all about by this point. Should they have pushed back more, especially when the guest said things that went against stuff they have been talking about in this show for years now? Maybe. Probably. I don’t know. It just feels like we’re wanting them both to be something they have never been before. It’s just not their thing. But, this guest was remarkably all over the place. I vaguely remember him from the earlier episode Mark mentioned, but apart from that I’ve never heard of him. And from what I can tell he wants to be seen as some kind of truth seeking warrior, but frames any criticism of US actions in the same banal way as most pundits, i.e. Yeh we continually fuck up peoples lives and entire countries, but we mean well. It’s the same tiresome take that this show usually shits all over. I mean the two most outrages takes were when he mentioned ‘Russia messing with our election in 2016’ and ‘it’s easy to dump barrel bombs on civilian populations in Aleppo when compared to the round the clock precision that the US does.’ I could’ve spat blood when he said that. Yeh, Mark and John probably should have jumped in at these points, especially considering their vast coverage of both topics in the past, but I’ve already gone over that. This guy is just another chest thumping rah rah US military fanboy who dresses himself up in truth seeking nonsense. Nothing new. Nothing special.

RT

“A lot of times bad actors use anonymous sources to plant bullshit stories” as mark said in the last few minutes of the episode…but that implication is left unexplored

Kevin Hickey

Dude what are you talking about? Get a grip ffs…

Logan Ausherman

I love the guys but they've always seemed like push overs who can't respond in the moment but have to process things first.

Logan Ausherman

I don't think being unconfrontational excuses the criticisms being made

Major bit me

Read the comment first, then respond. You’ve got the order all mixed up

Dies Irae63

A better question is ‘why would this program propagate such a hypothesis?’

Dies Irae63

kolomoisky’s boy hero chose ‘to go down with the ship.’ As opposed to getting a Vogue photo-shoot and sudden ascension to A-list western celebrity status and a lifetime’s supply of green t shirts. And Russia did Nordstream. Right. Ok. Kind of a scripted feel to this ep.

Chas Padunski

I get a willingness to be skeptical of previous suppositions based on how dumb Russia’s invasion was (though as recently as the last ep it felt like Mark was making headway elucidating its internal logic—not that that makes it a smart move). But is it really hard to believe that the national security state from Dr. Strangelove, the one that, in the last two decades, made the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan look like Napoleon conquering Germany, would blow up Nordstream II? The pipeline was a pretty big bit of leverage for Russia. And Murphy’s explanation of how the CIA hands-off handles these Ukrainian cells could easily explain how the US got the UK to blow the thing without telling any other NATO members. You can’t backtrack if you can’t even receive Russian fuel. I have no idea who did it. Maybe it was Russia. But the way Murphy and our hosts seemed to think that was particularly likely doesn’t sit well with me. (That said, our esteemed hosts have everything to lose and nothing to gain by tending in this direction. So to those who are upset: I really think it’s just an overreaction to how horribly surprising Putin’s invasion was. No one’s going to be asking John and Mark on CNN because they had Jack Murphy on).

Xander Udo

Interesting interview. Thanks. I guess I don’t mind so much when the host aren’t too confrontational with the guest. I’d want to hear what the guest has to say and not necessarily a debate. But maybe it’s because I’m soft. Whatever. I did, however, also feel het guest was very rah rah about the military. Many people are I guess. But yeah, I felt like that colours the way he thinks about certain things in the context around his article. I thought at certain points Mark and John must’ve biting their lips to not respond (especially that russiagate remark, surely). Again, maybe that’s because I’m soft. (whatever). But yeah, the term ‘limited hangout’ did spring to mind. (mine is a paranoid and insecure mind, though). But the fact that he said “the CIA wants Russia to know that they did it” made me think that a bit more. Regarding the pipeline. I agree with an earlier post, or several really, that the decoupling of Russian and German interests has to be the single biggest result of (and therefore a likely motive for) the pipeline sabotage. Might even be critical for keeping a sustained ‘united front’ within NATO as the war keeps going. But what could be the reasons for Sweden not making public what they found in their investigation. If they know who did it, then everybody else must know by now too, right? If it was Russia, are they keeping it in the bank for a strategic moment in the near future? What would that moment sort of look like? Maybe when Germany starts to stray a bit from the American direction. You’d think that information was propaganda gold. Russia probably can’t escalate. Maybe NATO just want keep the war simmering along.

Craig Range

I’m just saying I’ve been listening for a million years and this shit was the worst. And yea it bothers me to pay for default pro western bias, I get so fucking much of it for free.

Benjamin Glover

fair warning that Glasgow is a fairly hilly city if you're planning on doing a bunch of walking

xxx

Best comment in the thread so far 😎

Bryan

Boy I sure do hate listening to american military people boast about their conquests around the world.

Dies Irae63

The show had all the feel of a set-up. ‘Jack Murphy’, ex-green beret, probably cia, (fuck, even the name…)spreads a complete non-story, (agency proxies blow up stuff in Russia, who’d-a-thunk?), gets to agree with Ames that russia likes to destroy its own infrastructure and crucial economic levers during a war, all while panting zelensky as a hero of the resistance, rather than the hand-picked, groomed , compromised tv actor whose cynical venality and willingness to do whatever he’s told, has brought needless death or destruction on millions of people. Why would you run with this? Approach with caution.

Of course

Somewhere in Russia, there's a podcast called "Radioactive Nerd Wars" where Ivan Murfsky brags about shutting down all US commercial air traffic.

Dies Irae63

Ffs, this asshole is so clearly an op or an asset. And RWN is giving him a platform and politely agreeing with the insane hypothesis that russia blows up its own pipelines, presumably for fun. Makes you question what Ames is up to. You might have every reason to detest Putin and the siloviki in general but stooging for American intelligence ?!?!? Pretty fucking low.

Dies Irae63

Damn right Craig Range. I like their historical eps and I knew that Ames hates the guts of Russian security elite for good reasons. I didnt think he’d be shilling for the blob though. Fucking hell.

Magic Mikey

Isn't that the one where Murfsky gets the erstwhile critical hosts to agree that Ukraine is destroying its own electrical infrastructure and the US government did a controlled demolition of the twin towers?

Magic Mikey

To paraphrase Scott Ritter, the US had motive, means and opportunity. Moreover that Biden press conference is basically an a priori confession. RWN have been fooled into becoming a mouthpiece for US imperialist propaganda.

Magic Mikey

It seems to me that RWN have a moral obligation to have some actual fucking anti-war interviewees on their show. Especially after this shit show.

Frederick Von Drasek

I was also surprised at how they bought that pipeline thing completely, without a peep. I've learned a lot from Dolan and Ames, but the former in particular seems sometimes to buy into a warrior mystique wholesale.

Tyler Berglund

Disappointing to see the kid gloves on in this interview. This is likely a limited hangout, and theres a lot of RWN drooling and very little pushback. The article is valuable but this interview illuminates little to nothing, and essentially launders this dubious guests politics with zero pushback

Bryan

absolutely need a palate cleanser after this one

cyberbasque

What’s going to happen is they see this and then they smile and think they have the third, secret, wise position because they got criticized. I love the show, that’s just the pattern they admit to. Gen X brain gives and takes away

etienne

it's really amazing to see people psyopsing themselves into thinking that Mark Ames is secretly racist against Russians. masterclass

John Hardy

I do not trust this guy AT ALL.

John Hardy

Definitely a weird interview. I can't work out if RWN is just credulous or in on it. Don't interview spooks, Mark. Or if you do, you need to go shitload harder than this.

John Hardy

Agreed. You don't destroy your own points of leverage.

John Hardy

Something doesn't sit right here. The Exile wouldn't have gone so meekly with this guy.

John Hardy

Yeah Jack Ryan did a great job here. Such a soft target.

Dies Irae63

I know I’m paranoid. But am I paranoid enough

PW

If the NATO ally whose forces the US was using were say German then pipeline attack (by Russia) makes a lot more sense. "You attack our infrastructure and we return the favor." Wouldn't be surprised to see some utilities go offline in the US either.

PW

01:14:18 That's also the story of Ward Churchill.

Doug Cartel

"the only blue check guy to talk about this was the economist defense correspondent and he hasn't tweeted at all since he did that"

Doug Cartel

personally I think the idea that there could ever be "moderate" rebels is a joke on its face, but idk what counts as "moderate" in Syria anyways.

Doug Cartel

One version of the early war that I heard was that the forces headed for Kiev were there to inflict maximum pressure on Ukraine at any proposed peace conference, but when BoJo convinced Zelensky to back out of peace talks at the last minute, Russia's initial gambit failed, so they withdrew those forces and redirected them elsewhere. So while the popular version of Feb-April 2022 is that the russians were tripping over themselves like the 3 stooges both going and leaving north Ukraine, the more forgiving narrative is that these guys left because the initial political goal of forcing a surrender failed. Given that the Russians have held onto a 1000km front line with a force that was 4x smaller than the Ukrainian army until the September mobilization, I think people give Russia less credit than they're owed, since most americans think Russia hasn't changed at all since 1991 and is still run by vodka swilling meth heads trying to entertain themselves by holding a blowtorch to their nutsacks, or whatever wacky stories came from Russia to America back during the hell days.

Doug Cartel

in the run-up to the war the thing I was hearing was "The russians don't want to go to war because all their missiles blow up on the launchers and their infantry won't move forward unless a general tells them to" and that was clearly false, so I guess I'm coming at it from a different angle. Anne Appelbaum was running around begging everyone to launch nuclear attacks because supposedly all their missiles were rusting away in their silos (no idea what her opinion on their mobile launchers were) so I'm sort of allergic to all the "russia's military is crap" arguments because they're so american

Andrew

Guy who has committed dozens of war crimes: “The Soviet system just didn’t work”

Michael Salmon

Oh man fun reading how crazy the reaction to this interview has been, I gotta read the comment sections to the Ukraine updates more often I bet they’re even more unhinged Nobody knows what’s really going on, people

David Andrews

Who is the proxy nation? I kept waiting to hear a country named. The story is plausible, but it is a little thin.