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Attack On Titan Ep 2x12 Full Reaction! (Patreon)

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Wangus

If you want the commonly used terminology for people who can transform into titans, they are generally referred to as Titan shifters.

Matsumoto Erkin

Great reaction and discussion. For the show , I think the best mindset or what author intended for viewers was to see everything from the point of view of Eren or "our scout" , so you discover information and everything incomplete one bit one as if you are a real person in the world of AOT or just someone in our world trying to understand anything without wikipedia

Wangus

I feel like your intense desire for knowledge that is just our of your reach maybe is the show working as intended. It's you being put into the position of the scouts and everyone in the walls. Obviously you are having a more viscerally negative reaction to being left in the dark than most, but you are still kind of doing what we all did. Stockpiling questions, noting things that don't make sense, trying to piece together the clues. It's just that you don't seem to be able to enjoy it for the puzzle that it is right now the way that a lot of people do. Fair enough. But the story is unfolding the way it was intended to unfold, and I still think you are going to ultimately find it satisfying once you learn why the story is being told like this. That said, I've given up any hope that you are going to turn around on Erwin.

Anna Kyruin

Not sure if you're reading these, as I know you're trying to avoid spoilers (hopefully you have a mod filtering them?). Every person is going to approach media with their own biases for what is enjoyable. I have a friend who reads all the spoilers before watching a series, and another that reads the end of a book before starting it. You enjoy the show how you want to, this is your first watchthrough and I hope nobody steals that from you. As for how I enjoyed AOT, I am the type that will construct my own (often REALLY WRONG) entire head canon for the series that I adjust after every episode. I enjoy speculating as to what could be the reason for things, making the assumption that the author is being somewhat grounded in how the world is constructed. Isayama has not disappointed me so far. His answers, while destructive to my elaborate fictions, have certainly supplied a lot of amazing moments of AHA! whenever a clue destroys my theories and presents new ones. (Like how you responded when you started theorizing that a titan that eats a titan shifter might become one themselves) I really love those moments. But that's me. You do you :D

Moons

Season 3 has 22 episodes btw (less than s1). s4 is the longest with almost 30 episodes. Hope you’ll find all of the frustration worth it at the end like most of us have !

Marco

This show sucks! Also, can’t wait to watch the next episode!

2bootay

Season 3 here we go more answers incoming

Gu
>>104568987

Now they are still ambiguous we aren't really acquainted with that until later on

Anna Kyruin
>>104574838

PS: If you're looking for content to fill out the discussion, there is a tradition of trying to come up with wacky theories that fit all the facts that you know so far, regardless of if they're right. Also, the rest of us had to wait four goddamn years between episode 26 of Season 1 and episode 1 of Season 2. You're actually getting your answers way faster than we did XD

Wangus
>>104568987

I don't think this is any kind of spoiler. It's just terminology. I'm not even sure they ever use it in the show, but it's how they are generally referred to for the sake of discussion as a means to distinguish them from the other "dumb" titans at this point.

James Rob Ross

Anime is originally manga so imagine getting a half a page of dialog or inner monolog in one frame while nothing else is going on. There are Anime that break this mold like Cowboy Bebop. But Death Note, Full Metal Alchemist, and Evangelion all have tons of inner monolog.

Ron C

If it is of any help, the French subtitles called this "the axis" (l'Axe); as in the x and y axis of a plane.

Keisha L
>>104573066

This is such an important point! We're watching a story about people learning that the world they thought they knew is not as it seems, told from the point of view of those people. So we're getting the information as the characters do (and we have the advantage of getting more information by following different characters, which oddly seems to be another gripe, idk). A lot of things that they're characterizing as flaws in the writing are actually natural and effective features of the story's structure and development. So much of Nerdy's frustration, I think, is the result of missing and/or dismissing new information because of his desire to have a specific set of questions answered, regardless of whether it makes sense within the narrative for that to happen at a given point. (Were Reiner and Bert supposed to start singing like canaries because Eren yelled at them, lol?) To run with your puzzle analogy, it's like every episode gives us a few new puzzle pieces, and instead of examining each one, he's throwing away or ignoring anything that isn't an edge piece while complaining about the puzzle being defective. (And in some cases, throwing away edge pieces that don't match what he thinks the picture should look like.) I'm struggling with my own investment, but we'll see what S3 brings, I guess. And yeah, that turnaround isn't going to happen (which to me is ironic for a couple of reasons, one of which is that I think Nerdy's being unfair and I don't even like Erwin, lol). Okay, back to lurking now.

Anna Kyruin
>>104568987

Yeah, I think this is entirely a community terminology thing that existed well before season 2 aired, so not a spoiler.

Zyrus

One thing to note for the ending of this one.. this proved beyond a doubt that if Hannes had tried to fight the Titan instead of pulling Eren away and leaving his mother to die, he would have been killed trying. He didn't have the skill for it then, and he didn't have it now. A 'what if?' answered.

Anna Kyruin
>>104593819

I wonder, in that other case he would have had buildings to anchor to. And he was also 5 years younger then, so might have had better physical health. Given the success rate of most ODM equipped soldiers though you are probably right :D

flyingbread

how this world's logic functions is by itself a spoiler, hence why its not explained. The answers to your questions are right there in front of you, but you are not able to reflect on them. I mean, HOW DID YMIR TURN? It is explained AND shown. But you already forgot the whole scene. People aren't upset that you want answers. They are upset at you blaming the show when it already exposed a clear answer but you didn't pay attention, because you hate Erwin for example and you missed the whole thing. How titanshifter get their power is explained during Ymir's flashback and it's PRETTY obvious. There is a clear cause/effect scene when she gained consciousness.

flyingbread
>>104597740

And what makes Eren special compared to Annie is that she could only attract them, not control them. The Beast could control a few but in that specific scene, he wasn't able to hold TOTAL control.

flyingbread
>>104573066

Yes this show is intended to people who want to put pieces together because ultimately, EVERYTHING makes sense in this show. Even at that point in S2, you already have all the pieces in front of you to figure out some mysteries. like, Ymir knows about Reiner/Bertholdt's hometown, which means she also is from that region. She also said that she's returning something she borrowed... what is that thing? it's pretty obvious. That should give you some hints about HOW they turn back to humans. But their whole thought process is stuck at: How did Erwin fall on his horse? Other react channels are enjoying this because they're trying to solve the puzzle and in here, they're just frustrated that the show doesn't give them the quick gratification.

Asylum
>>104597740

Cannot agree with this more. They defualt to Erwin bashing so much that they are actually missing core plot details and answers that are being given to them, because they dislike one character. Go and rewatch Ymir and Bert's conversation, go and rewatch Ymirs flashback, and actually pay attention to every single line of dialogue, it's not there as filler, it's not there just to fill out her backstory. IT IS IMPORTANT. Things you are complaining about not knowing, you would know.

Zyrus
>>104593819

Keep in mind he was pretty drunk earlier and basically just sobered up in time for the attack, on top of being deadweight. Even with years of sobering up and getting back his edge, he still didn't manage it.

Trevus Simon

Initially, I lost interest in the show after the first season due to its seemingly random and disjointed elements, and I found myself feeling frustrated. However, a few years later, just before the release of season 4, a friend of mine convinced me to give it another chance. I decided to take his advice and gave the show another shot, and to my pleasant surprise, I found that it had greatly improved. From that point on, the show significantly improves, particularly in its third season.

Ron C

I think if you guys want to enjoy the rest of the show just try to enjoy the ride and don't focus on the end destination when you'll be getting answers. Episodes are cool whether or not you get some big revelations imho. You'll get breadcrumbs along the way to theorise, and you'll get good subplots

Jason Lettieri

I think honestly a lot of your critiques are very fair. You guys seem like very analytical people in the way you approach media, and so it totally makes sense you would be frustrated by the way the show is presenting the mystery narrative here. I think a lot of people are so many years into knowing all the answers and having seen all the seasons that are out, that we forget how frustrated and confusing it all originally was. I distinctly remember being frustrated and confused myself sometimes on my original watch back in the day. I mean the tree episode where they just tease you for 20 minutes was ridiculous, I completely agree, it could have been handled in a way that doesn't make you feel like your time wasn't respected. The bright side is, in terms of getting your questions answered, it literally only gets better from here on out. Season 3 as a whole is the payoff so I hope you guys have an even better time with it than this season. Also people get so defensive, like you have stated clearly you really liked season 2, its just hard to talk about without pointing out where its tripping you up. Also Historia and Ymir are my favorite characters in the whole show, so right there with you, haha.

Coregazer

I don't think it's wrong for N&C to want more answers, and I agree that the show drags the mystery a bit, it just didn't bother me that much watching it. Then again I didn't have to verbalise my thoughts to the internet after every episode. I'm betting if I did, I'd be in a similar position to N&C. The show is frustrating to watch, which is also what makes it fun. I hope people can sympathise with that.

Stefan

All I can say is every question, including Eren's ability to control titans at that moment, will be answered in season 3.

Khalayx

Nerdy and Clarus' mixed feelings are so consistent with my own viewing experience and those of my friends. Only on the internet are people acting so fanatically defensive over every aspect of it, or equating not liking something with not understanding it. Anime fans can be nutty sometimes. And I would also like to know how Erwin fell onto his horse lol In any case, looking forward to season 3 with ya'll.

Coregazer
>>104637780

AoT is one of my favourite shows of all time, and I completely agree with this. I had some complaints and frustrations with the series but loved it as a whole. If I had to deal with the same comments whilst watching the show I don't know if I'd've loved it half as much :'D

Khalayx
>>104637780

IMO the show's greatest strength is the incredible job the animators did packing visual information into the early seasons that have double meanings on a rewatch. For example Nerdy and Clarus could go back and watch season one right now and I'm sure they would pick up on dozens of shots of Reiner / Bertholdt / Annie that seemed to mean something else on the first viewing. Likewise with many of the other reveals. Sometimes I think a lot of the angry comments they get are from people who put a lot of retroactive thought into it after they were given answers, but who didn't really view the show very critically the first time through. But I admit that as soon as I saw Eren's titan form in the 7th episode, I realized I was watching yet another anime about "a teenager with daddy issues piloting giant robots with his friends, sacrificing his humanity to save the world" - it's the oldest anime story in the book, and it only seems unique in AoT because the robots are make out of skin rather than metal, and the mood is so much darker than shows used to get in the 80s and 90s. Plus the maneuver gear is cool as heck.

Khalayx
>>104637780

Just poking some fun with that last paragraph, nobody freak out =D

Gu
>>104637780

@kha It's a mystery battle shonen , while definitely anime fans wr also frustrated they felt it was fine because the show was giving them things they liked in other ways nerdy however doesn't care about those other things because he doesn't like the characters that much, supposed to appeal to that demographic especially season 1 people only realized the heavyness underlying plot in season 3, the problem is he's trying to critique it as if it was some other Harry Potter or something which tells you the power system in the beginning episodes not respecting that supposed to compete with other anime not Western television, they care too much about having something to talk about at the end of the episode rather than just enjoying the dark fantasy adventure and action. Which is how shounen are designed first and foremost, isayama simply took advantage of these expectations but that doesn't mean that you should change your mindset when watching aot

Gu

Just because the reasoning behind the power isn't explained yet doesn't make it deus ex machine because it's perfectly understandable that we simply don't know what it is yet. It's paced within expectation of a shonen. If you don't like battles first then your fundamental misunderstanding of the archetype

Gu

I don't get how you believe all the scouts aren't good people at this point, Sasha,Connie ,jean seem good to me our trio also obv each of them have their own dynamic some with individual motivations but they are still fighting for humanity and are nice for the world they live in. Same as in twd

Xaniss

uh oh, jumping to conculsions again?