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I'm gonna talk about Patreon's new fees. Beginning with two apologies: Sorry I didn't say something sooner, and also sorry if you're sick of hearing about it. Most of the people I'm pledged to have written long takes about it, I don't know how many of them you've read through already. I've been complaining on Twitter since yesterday. I'm tired, I don't have anything new or interesting to say, and I've lost over 30 patrons since it was announced.

In short, this is a bad move that doesn't seem to benefit anyone, not even Patreon. The slight increase in take-home pay on my end isn't worth losing any of you.

All that aside, I'm hoping this isn't the end of the world. Hopefully most of you are not too inconvenienced and hopefully it doesn't heck with my numbers too much.

To deal with the situation, I tried to lower each reward tier by a dollar so folks could lower their pledges without losing content, but apparently Patreon won't let me do that without unpublishing the reward and relaunching a new one. So much for that idea.

Other thought: if I were to start a second profile over on Liberapay, which is a non-profit and doesn't seem to mess people up with fees, would some of you be interesting in transferring your pledges there?

Hit me up in the comments.

-I

Comments

Ada Null

I'll happily throw money through whichever pipe gets it to you, all I care is that the pipe is transparent and clear, which Patreon isn't being.

Luis

I mean I’ve already had to lower my other pledge to keep this one where it is (which was a Quandary) so as long as Liberapay won’t, like, sell all my stuff to some Russians, I’m good to move over.

Spare Parts

I’m ride-or-die. You’re the second Patreon I ever subscribed to (the first being RedLetterMedia, which... ugh), and while I’m not putting in much, I want to know that I’m putting something toward content I really value.

Kaito

whats the problem with the new system? like all these twitter posts don't really say why people start to cut their pledges.

AV

I guess I'm one of the few people who heard about the update and was like 'oh okay that's fine' and didn't think about it again until all of the people I'm patreoning started apologizing. Which I guess says something about my relative privilege that an extra few dollars isn't something I will notice or be inconvenienced by (as I'm not supporting enough people either I guess). ANYWAY. I'm fine with it. I assume you wouldn't completely leave Patreon, I will probably keep doing whatever is the least amount of effort for me personally, no lie. I'm sorry to hear it lost you a bunch of followers though =(

Lertsenem

I would transfer my pledge from Patreon to Liberapay if you opened an account there. You probably know it, but just in case: the pledges on Liberapay are anonymous and there's no way to offer rewards to your patrons. It's apparently intentional, because Liberapay is a non-profit organisation and does not want to deal with the taxes and fees that apply when selling goods. I say that because it could obviously rebuke people (I don't care much, I just want you to publish more videos on the internet).

Eris

Not to downplay the major negative effect this change has on the ability for some folks to actually make all the pledges they want to make (I get how it adds up tremendously on lots of little pledges), but the effect is relatively minor on me. I'll stay here on Patreon and I won't lower/delete my pledge.

Alicia Magee

I'm keeping all of my pledges the way they are. But I'll be happy to move to wherever if needed. Sorry you've lost people.

FeedbackJack

I'm keeping my pledges for now, I don't want creators to take a hit in this mess. But considering my costs will go up by 11% I am now very open to alternatives.

Subsequent

I'm not changing my pledge, but probably wouldn't follow to a new platform (international processing fees are a pain, and I prefer to keep it as a single charge / transaction where possible)

Tor Bruce

Been seeing a lot about the issue today. Patreon has handled it very poorly, but while it sucks that it’s making people leave I can’t say the changes are bothering me personally too much. I realize there will be middlemen who take a cut in a transaction like this, and I feel like it’s appropriate to be transparent about that. I hope they make it easier to adjust the pledge levels or give creators more options to handle it. But I think there’s a bigger risk that I would stop pledging if you decided to quit Patreon, simply out of inaction...

Artists_Ali from Ok2BeFat

I'm going to stay. I really appreciate what you do. I'm also a creator on Patreon and I'm considering a PayPal recurring subscription for people who need to leave b/c of the fees. Not sure how I would deliver the content tho and if the doubled work makes sense. We'll see how it shakes out. Potentially it's another option.

Gem Newman

Not planning to change any pledges as a result of this, but I had been considering supporting a few other people with small pledges, and I’m not sure about that anymore.

Joshua Kramer

Nothing will make me unpatreon you except for you leaving the platform. You are a voice that needs to be heard.

Magdalen Rose

Still with you, Ian! I believe in your work. I just hope my patrons keep believing in mine. D:

Crissa Kentavr

If those are the processing fees Patreon is looking at, they’re screwed. Stripe and PayPal are done with Patreon as a competitor and are squeezing them out.

The Packbats

I would actively prefer to switch. This choice on Patreon's part just immediately made me think of what you said in your "Getting My Ass Paid" video: that crowdfunding lives and dies on the perception of sincerity. Patreon is bullshitting its entire userbase, and I don't want to be a part of that story any more.

Alba

new site isn't ideal for me but I would still follow my monthly donation that way if you switched. I did also lower my pledge but that was only in part because of the fee structure change, the australian dollar to american dollar isn't very strong right now and my '60ish' dollars a month to patreons had ballooned into an actual cost of over 100 dollars for me.

Evan Gale

I back 100 different creators, with most being at the $1 level. By the 18th, if Patreon still has not backtracked on this change, I will be jumping ship, as I would go from paying 5% to Patreon, to around 25%. I am interested in any alternative subscription site that allows me to support creators in bulk at the $1 amount, so if you move anywhere that lets me do that, then I will follow.

Logan

I'll definitely continue to support, here or on another platform. Patreon's taking the piss, but as there don't appear to be better options, I don't want to see your work suffer. Do what you feel is best and I'll hang around. Good luck!

adaschma

I would love to move to liberapay

Richard Backhurst

I personally don't mind either way. If you move i'll support you there and if your here i'll support you here as well.

Alexander Pereira

I don't mind following you out. I'm able to eat the fees but I'm not thrilled about them

PC Escobar

If enough creators open up Liberapay as a second-source, I'll consider moving some of my pledges.

Salem Al-Arrak

I'm more happy with all the creators I like on one platform here. I don't think I'll be ok managing pledges on two different platforms.

KSCHatch

Because I only contribute to one other creator on here, I'm not too bothered about the fee for myself, but on principle it seems pretty under-handed of Patreon, and it's so unfortunate you have already lost patrons as a result. As a creator myself, with only 7 patrons, I am a bit unsure of what to do. If I stay I risk losing support (which is just barely covering my costs as it is) but if I leave I risk the same. So I feel you. It's a double-bind. Regardless though, I love your work and am committed to supporting it, so if you did choose a different platform I'd switch over. I will keep my contribution the same. In my case, it basically means I'm less likely to support multiple creators.

Lireoec

Let do it, I'd move with you if you wanna abandon Patreon. Don't like their under-handedness either.