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Dev log Q&A + News (Patreon)

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2023-05-23 22:55:22
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2026-06
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Hi all!

We hope you're all doing well!

Many seemed to enjoy the last dev log's Q&A segment, so I figured we'd do another one for this video. You know the drill - ask questions in the comments, and I'll do my best to answer them in the upcoming dev log!

As for development news - please pardon the lack of updates as of late. I've been very busy working on interactions and ironing out issues. Some things have proven a lot more challenging and time consuming than I was anticipating. It certainly didn't help that I lost the first week of the month due to illness.

Just over the past month, we've managed to transform interactions from a chaotic mess to being somewhat playable. A lot of work and fine-tuning still remains, but I think it's getting to a point where we can make a presentation. There's definitely a risk of running into issues as we're recording the dev log, and depending on how severe those issues are, more time may be needed to fix them. But at least we're getting to that point where we're even able to start recording at all, which is progress.

Hope to have something to share with you soon, and in the meantime - ask away and we'll include the questions and answers in the next dev log!

All the best.

- odes

Comments

BadOmen113

Heck yeah, progress.😁

Raikachu

What's something new you've learned about making games since you started work on FurryVNE? Do you plan to one day do a release on steam or any other platform? Sorry to hear you were sick, hope it wasn't too terrible and glad to know it seems you're doing better now! Thanks for all your hard work!

Mobius Scarf

Question 1: What is the feasibility of being able to hot-swap characters in interactions? Obviously, results would vary depending on how similar the characters are, but I'm just wondering if that will be possible at some point. Question 2: Waaay waaay back (6 years ago) when you first pitched the new direction for what would become FurryVNE, you outlined an Interaction->Scene->Step->Timeline->Keyframe hierarchy. I'm curious how much of that structure has changed as you've actually gotten to the point of implementing it after all these years?

BeerCookie

Are there plans for more ways to control the environment in the future? Ex: lighting, sound, props, tentacle pit ect.

Static_snowflake

My questions is about maps. Or maybe the question is just "maps?". What kind of and how many maps are planned for FurryVNE? Are they big and open or small and intricate? Are they something similar to the old Yiffalicious maps or something entirely different? Are there going to be different themes like urban, fantasy, sci-fi or something else. Can users make their own maps to share and enjoy? Maybe modular maps? Is the old beach house going to make a comeback? I know this is a lot of questions and the maps are not the priority but any information would be appreciated!

Static_snowflake

Most of these questions are overlapping so just just answer them at your own leasure.

Blacky

Hey there odes! I'm really glad that you're doing well and I'm super excited about those news and really look forward to that video :D Now for my questions: I'd like to know how garments and part will work on interactions. Will there be some kind of tool to place bones on tails, wings or whatever parts come to mind or do we have to learn how rigging works in blender and export stuff as .dea files? This would also mean that everything will have to be made on each existing character individually as long as the exact same parts are being used, correct? So, this leads me to the old thing we talked about a year ago: will we be able to apply physics like weight or wind to hair and dresses? Now something entirely different, as I am quite interested in the novel part of FVNE, are there existing plans already how SFW scenes could work out? For example shooting bow and arrow or make our characters walk and jump around, having some kind of sword fight action scenes and such. How would transition between scenes work or let's say: would it be possible to switch camera angles inside a larger map within a split second from one corner to the other so we can have two groups of characters in the same scene and while those characters can't see each other, the camera, and with that the viewer can. Would it be possible to make cars, motorcycles or plains get to work? Would it be possible to implement actual water like on a shower or a bath? I believe it has been talked about implementing sprites for special effects somewhere later down the road, so how would this work out? Feel free to pick any of those questions, You don't have to answere all of them, as I am actually more interested in animating short movies with mostly SFW content I probably don't resemble the majority of the community here ;)

Nicoroys

Haven't been able to keep up with the Q&As but. How advanced is the penetration system going to be, like are characters going to be able to "hold" stuff in them?

Deimos

I see Just like Blacky My dream would be to develop FVNE so far that it would become a kind of "poser program" the penetration system could only be the beginning to be able to create your very own scenes and stories maybe even mini-series. So what about sound files, language editions, if need be speech bubbles? The levels/map design would also be interesting for me, I have some ideas in planning, only what limitations they would have, how big they should be and I have to be able to set "light sources", sure it would also need "scripts" so that something moves leaves - a "water mill" as an example?! How about physics An "Clothes" (a skirt that not only sticks to the body but swings) and "Parts" to have? A piece of clothing that falls to the ground, a door that can be opened. Wind hitting the surface It would be a bit more complex, there are Shapekeys for clothes, but these have been rigid in the animation so that a jacket should perhaps open. In order to adjust the atmosphere of the scene, how about more color and brightness adjustment options for the lighting? The few included me, paid attention to the size of his character, changing the size afterwards requires a lot of rework, will it be possible to fix this in the future to simply scale the character in the interaction? Um, that immediately gives me an idea, how about giving the slider an approximate meter measure instead of 0.1-2 to have a better idea and also to be able to define later how big the character should be?

PseudoSamurai

One problem I have with the original Yiffalicious is sorting. I keep coming up with new interaction ideas but cycling through to get to older ones page by page is a hassle. Especially trying to get back to ones I've made years ago. Will there be a means to catalogue interactions in a way to allow easier access? Like allowing us to sort by folders, search our interactions by name or view a larger amount at once instead of a small page?

Deimos

It was mentioned that something will change in the fur representation in how far will this affect us users? As for the fur, it would be great if the stroke direction of the fur could somehow be SAVED like the fluff, so as not to always start from 0.

SteelCrow13

My question is more like a suggestion: is it possible to do an asset flip and just reuse the maps from Yiffalicious in FVNE? I know it wouldn't be anything new or original, but it would still give us more to work with while we wait for new maps.

Deimos

We have a quite sophisticated character editor that leaves little to be desired (THANKS for that) - Would a map editor be possible in the far future???

Deimos

Honestly, no, the text is a bit too much information! I simply make a wish-idea-suggestion to the FVNE team My thought is why not look beyond the edge of the plate, why not try to think bigger - where to make this big effort when it's just another wank template they should, would be something pitiful. What's different is when it's just not technically feasible.

Mobius Scarf

Thanks for the shoutout! But honestly, a lot of what you wrote is kinda BS? First off, you should know that this project mainly has just three people working on it: odes, Dogson, and Pegashis. Dogson is just a modeler. He's not a programmer. His job is to crank out new assets on a regular basis and fix the bugs found in those assets by us. He does this job exceptionally well, in my opinion. Pegashis is the environment designer (I believe), so they also don't do any coding either. Beyond the assets, odes is the one doing the rest of the work and he's the one who puts together all of the devlogs. And since this project has been losing money for years now, he can't hire additional help. Like, I can tell your intentions are mostly good here, and you're just trying to show tough love, but I can also tell you've only been around for a couple years and that you don't pay very close attention to the Patreon updates, because you seem to be under the impression that odes is STILL developing FVNE with the same design philosophy he had for YL1 and that we're all just too fanboyish or naive to call him on it after all these years. And I get that, because I once was also quite skeptical. I first became a Patron at the beginning of 2019, but I started off at the $3 tier because I could also see that YL1 was made without a lot of forethought in mind, hadn't been updated in years, the successor was still vaporware, and that they were already way behind their initial expected release of the character creator. I frankly saw no reason to increase my pledge level since there were no WIP builds to download, and I didn't want to throw that much support behind a project that, in my mind, hadn't proven itself yet. I, too, tried out YL1, and while I was impressed with some aspects, the app was incredibly clunky. As the year went on and odes kept pushing back the release date of the character creator, I became increasingly doubtful that it would ever actually be released, or if it was, I expected it to be disappointing or as clunky as YL1. But then at the very end of 2019, the character editor finally dropped. And in the years that followed, new features were being added at a regular pace. Cloud integration, fur authoring, cloth binding, and custom offsets all came out at a regular pace in 2020 and 2021 once the initial foundation of the character creator was done. In the end, the character creator was far better than I expected and significantly less clunky than YL1 was, even though it lacked most of the features (i.e. sex). Once all the main milestones for the character creator were reached (because yes, they had milestones), odes made a big post where he laid out all of the different components he would need to work on for the next major release: Upgrade to a newer version of Unity, create a new custom physics engine and IK system, soft body dynamics and collision, penetration dynamics, as well as an editor to tie all of these systems together. That was less than two years ago. Since then, odes has created all of the custom systems he originally laid out, and posted updates about them as he got those components completed. So when you point to all of YL1's failings and lack of clear planning, I would actually agree with you. And you know who else would agree with you? odes. Here's a quote from odes in 2018: "The first Yiffalicious was pretty much developed organically, i.e. as a prototype that we kept adding more and more things to, until it eventually started to crack in its very foundations due to the sheer weight of its own size. This time around we're approaching our development from a more "proper", traditional software modelling perspective, so the systems have been designed with much care and thought to get a more robust and dynamic structure. This means we can't take shortcuts to get results fast, we can't cheat, and everything has to be defined in a more abstract and modular fashion. In the end, this method will pay off, and the results will be much closer to what you'd expected from a professional 3D editing tool, but it does take longer to develop." So when you say "you're going to justify the failure the same way you justified the baked in flaws of YL1", I have no idea what you're talking about, because the reason they ended development on YL1 was specifically because they didn't want to ignore the unfixable flaws of YL1 and decided instead to rebuild the idea from the ground up with proper planning this time around. I can't help but think your misconceptions are a result of how you don't "pay attention to these things". or perhaps a lack of interest in reading through old Patreon posts from before you started backing. Even back in 2017 when odes first started planning what would become FVNE, he already posted about the scene workflow they were building towards. You can still find it here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/yl2-update-9587607 What aspect of that post sounds like someone with logistical apathy? He's had a logistical plan with clear milestones from the beginning, and while some things have changed, it seems like he's largely stuck to his original vision. It's just taken a long time, which he also acknowledged would be the case from the beginning. He even stopped making his target dates public because he didn't want people to support the Patreon expecting a release at a specific time only for the release to be delayed from an unexpected show-stopping bug. And it's not like odes has been chasing this white whale in spite of us demanding he change course. Way back when he first started, he asked the community whether they would rather he kept working on YL1 and YL2/FVNE at the same time, even if it meant YL2/FVNE would take even longer since his attention would be divided. The community at the time was clear that they wanted YL2/FVNE as soon as possible and they were fine with YL1 production ending if it meant getting YL2/FVNE sooner. Then later still, he put up a poll of whether people wanted YL2/FVNE to lean more towards expressiveness (allowing control over fine details and animating scenes with dialogue) or interactivity (more like YL1). The community voted overwhelmingly for more expressiveness, which was clearly the more difficult path. All this said, your skepticism is understandable, and I don't necessarily blame you for not searching through old Patreon posts to have a better idea of the project roadmap. But as someone who HAS gone through old Patreon posts and has read through all of the updates as they've come out... things are going fine.

BeerCookie

Another question. Do think about releasing YF1 on steam for some extra revenue and interest? I do think you guys are doing a great job given the circumstances. Small dev team, massively complex project, Unity being unity ect. Some of the most successful projects have come from small teams. The Forest, had a similar development cycle. They had to modify the unity engine them selves.