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Is it time for HPAC? (Patreon)

Published:
2025-09-30 22:41:26
Edited:
2025-10-04 14:23:32
Imported:
2026-11

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Give thoughts of how you're thinking right now on the subject, any recent happenings. I might make a video on it. I don't really want to specifically on HPAC but I think you guys might want me to. I have preparedness expenditure video coming up for sure and I might put the results in that one too.

Comments

Schventagon

Can I get a reminder on what HPAC means?

Joseph

What is HPAC?

John

I think we’ve been in it for awhile. So, yes. Carry that larger “fighting” pistol, Carry that reload. Get on the range and train. Stop being lazy!

Andrew Maynes

Kinda feels like it’s time to move up to MPAC at the very least. (If that’s even a thing.)

Justin Golden

I would guess that probability is still low for nearly everyone day to day. Obviously worse in cities, and I'd avoid public transport in Charlotte, NC...

Aceman1126

I've definitely upped my shield to my full size m&p and carry an extra mag on me now along with a very stripped down ifak. My vehicle kit has more but this is the bare minimum I'm ok with now that things seem to be heating up.

Justin Wingerter

Certainly feels like we should always have an hpac in the car with the political environment.

Todd Strelka

I've been thinking about the increase in HPAC. Christians are being persecuted and attacked. I've been carrying an extra spare magazine.

Eric J Beggs

Wishing I didn’t have to think about this very real probability.

Aceman1126

The additional medical supplies and training from refuge medical are the biggest change. I want to be able to stop a threat of course, but just as important is helping victims in the aftermath.

Frank Plissken

Unfortunately, the time for comfort and convenience has passed.

CylindersNmags1987

Upped my high cap micro to a Shield x with extended mag.

Patrick Lovette

Unfortunately it may prove to be useful.

Barehand Hi-liner

YES, for sure in town I work. Maybe yellow zone where I live.

3jeep

Hello to the Toddster!

William Mann

It’s been a while since learning about this, so I’d say I m straddling the line between LPAC and HPAC. Regardless, my edc is well established and consistent. The real question is with what, and for how long… Dust that concept off and give it to us again!

Derek Morin

I am carrying in a bag in a non-permissable environment. I've also dedicated an AR pistol, mags and medical in our primary vehicle. I pray I'll never need it but recent events have shown the possibility has increased

The Hide

I think with the times we're in, it could be a need rather than a want..

NatvMan

I think I will keep my on person carry the same. And put extra things in my car to ensure I can get home.

GrizzlyRising

I would like to get an AR pistol, and use it as a car gun...hopefully before things get really crazy. A HPAC update would be helpful. I don't go out much, except to school, and most of the commie dirt bags don't get until 3pm and I'm usually home by then.

William H

#1 Avoidance, #2 switched to a larger firearm for church security (because I shoot it better), #3 enhanced my vehicle medkit. So I’m boring. But even so, I would watch HPAC content with great excitement!

Hoben Spalding

Honestly, outside of WROL, the only reason to voluntarily enter a HPAC area would be if you were caught inside unexpectedly and needed to get out, or this happened to a loved one. Otherwise just stay away. Total social collapse is a different conversation.

Seeker Keyl

Ugh... Maybe. I definitely should carry more capability than I do now. I need to update my gear to allow for that, though. I always have a first aid kit, knife, and flashlight, regardless, but the firearm solution needs attention.

Joshua Pulliam

Yeah. If you go to church it’s HPAC time.

Elijah Ballard

I think if you are in a large city you should up your carry and ifac capabilities. If you plan on a truck gun you need to secure your rifle. Personally I think you are more likely to get car jacked or broken into than an active shooter or rioters you have to respond to.

Riley Kaye

We need this now more than ever Nutn. Full EDC system video!

John Wachtmann

Day to day I still think I’m in LPAC location. Big city dwellers or those near ICE or federal building locations may feel different. While the possibility of armed conflicts may be higher I don’t think I am anywhere near a “High Probability.” I would, however, consider HPAC if attending conservative themed rallies or speeches. Since 2020, I have updated my vehicles to include medical and have an extra mag with my handgun most of the time. However I cannot carry at my workplace but can keep all my EDC items in my vehicle. Edit: Active shooter response kit also seems like a more likely change for me than attempting to increase carried items like in HPAC.

Aceman1126

One can disagree with a church, religion, political side, or whatever and still care about the victims. It is possible to care for people you dislike

3jeep

Absolutely! It’s just interesting that most people aren’t seeming to take that as an attack against christians in general, just that one church. So it’s interesting if folks are feeling like stepping up to HPAC because of it.

Devon Cook

Starting to feel like those who go to church need HPAC. Seems like every month another church is shot up. I’m in Idaho so it’s not bad here but I’m definitely going to build an HPAC. Have been focusing on getting out of debt and food storage but I’m going to throw a little money into building an HPAC system. I’m 25 and just got married so I don’t have as much freedom with money anymore have to think about providing for my wife and the debt is knawing at me

The Nutnfancy Project

Agree. I have carried compact tactical carbine with 3 mags since 2020 and have never changed. So I guess while in the vehicle I've been HPAC compiiiant for years.

Rick Grad

I LPAC with my dad bag everyday, because it’s easy and I always have a handgun with me. It’s slow to deploy, because I have to unzip the dedicated pocket it’s in, but it’s always with me I also have a HPAC system in my car. It’s secured, and takes approx 15 seconds to unlock. Not perfect, but it’s what works for me.

Devon Cook

Yeah, we are actually moving from Idaho Falls to a smaller town. Idaho falls has too many liberals and crime. We have had the police on our street 3 times this month.

Aceman1126

Hell, even when I serve in the nursery at church I carry. They don't know I do and hopefully they never need to know, but I do. No one is hurting those babies when I'm there unless they get thru me first.

ThisWe'llDefend

There are plenty of us who could benefit from such an in-depth discussion. I already upgraded my daily carry after CKA. I think the topic would be completely appropriate.

Piotr Fraczek

Thought for Nutn' - I think a vid about other "packable" to help in AC all together would be a good subject. Such as batons, medkits, OC choices etc etc to have around in case of any conflict. Not all can carry everywhere so what other options do they have? Obviously no one should bring a knife to a gun fight, but even in the depths of urban jungle, there should be other carry alternatives. How about a vid on that? (Loved the less than lethal vid. More of that pls!)

JFire

I just bought more vacuum sealed IFAC kits for the whole family. They are dedicated to the diaper bag because it’s the biggest bag that gets taken anywhere with the family. ( I still have very little kids.) My main concern is at church because that seems to be the biggest target lately. I’m also thinking of carrying 2 extra magazines for my XDs. One there and another in my daily Fanny pack

JFire

I second this

Maxreverse

Reviewed the one you did in 2020. Excellent video as usual. Updates would be appreciated.

JFire

I’ve been feeling that since Sunday

Aceman1126

Fanny pack? A TRUE tnp follower has been detected

Aceman1126

Second. I carry pom pepper spray based on recommendation from active self protection. Mainly cause I never wanna shoot a dog unless there's no choice at all and sometimes people are crazy but not quite lethal force crazy

Bluegill097

Venturing outside of my village I go HPAC. Just made sure the defensive airsoft guns were cleaned and lubed. I would like to get more IFAK also for the vehicle and diaper bag. I have bare minimal medical, but I feel that’s not enough. We don’t go out much with the kids except church and the local parks, not so much because of recent events but because our kids are little.

Joseph

High Probability for Amish combat?

NatvMan

Like the MPAC idea

Matthew Sinn

I personally think the threshold for hpac has changed and broadened to more places than previously. I don’t think the thought process is significantly different for analyzing and making a determination whether hpac or lpac is appropriate, or has changed much if at all. Interested to read through what others have said so far.

rediius

I'm a family man now. So on one hand, I upgraded to a higher capacity Glock with reloads once funds allowed. Much less 'decorative' EDC like what Tactical Doodle was once commonly associated. But on the other hand, being a father just entails visiting much lower risk locations now - playgrounds instead of nightclubs, family visits instead of house parties, etc. So the two factors likely cancel each other out somewhat. My children are very small so I also get to use the diaper bag to load up on extra medical and comfort items.

Steelhorses

I could definitely use a refresher on this topic. A problem is our area is late night car break-ins. I'd never leave a firearm in my vehicle overnight unless in a safe but with the risk of break-ins can't leave any kit/gear in the vehicles overnight.

Jon

HPAC.

James Schuenemann

For me I’m doing HPAC. I carry a braced Draco, with some mags, spare pistol mags, water, food, and medical, and comms. Nutn, it would be great if you could do a refresher and see what you upgraded or changed too. Your insight on this topic back in 2020 was been so insightful. I feel like a new video would be great because so much in this country has evolved since 2020.

Matt Mann USA

I'd definitely like a new HPAC video. It's so ridiculous that after so many attacks all across our country, we're still hearing statements in the news like, "Things like this just don't happen in our town." and "We shouldn't have to go armed to church." Attacks by communists and other lunatics can happen anyplace and anytime. And even if that wasn't the case, why would anybody ever want to go about unarmed? It makes no sense to me. The only limitation to what you carry should be when your gear becomes so cumbersome that it interferes with performing your daily activities. I reach that limitation at anything I can't carry on my belt and in my pants pockets. Long-guns and AR/AK/etc. pistols are necessary for certain tasks, but they're too cumbersome for EDC even in HPAC. A full-size handgun with spare mags is no problem to carry at all times; it's time to make your GTW handgun your EDC handgun. You've gotta carry a firearm capable of making accurate shots to at least 50 yards, and it's even better if you practice and become competent with it to 100+ yards. I know most guys only train with their handgun at 3 to 5 yards and think 10 yards is a long-distance shot, but if you practice at 50 to 100 yards and get good at it, even 25 yards will feel like nothing. If you're caught in one of these attacks like we've been seeing lately, you will only have the handgun you're carrying to defend yourself and others. You'll never be able to retrieve a rifle from your truck and return with it in a timely manner. Your concealed carry handgun is your primary weapon, and you need to be carrying it at all times. Develop your handgun shooting skills and decide that concealed carry is a non-negotiable aspect of your life.

Blizzak454

I mean I'm definitely gonna watch an HPAC video! But realistically it depends on where you live. I'm in SC and don't feel the need for a daily HPAC loadout. 99% of my time is spent between work and home. When I travel out of state in the southeast region I sometimes up the firepower (maybe my CZ Scorp Evo with a few 35 round mags) but thats not often. My EDC is enough for me, for now.

David Elkins

I think it’s time to act as though we are in HPAC now. Even more so the closer you are to big cities and how blue your geographic area is.

Mike10

HPAC update would be nice. I believe 2020 was the last one, and I think the industry has made so many improvements and advancements in gear plus so many new firearms are set to come out would be good to speak on them. Plus the ship has only started to sink faster and faster and since CKA some people are realizing the titanic only has so many life rafts and if we don’t stand for our faith, our system, the people we will only end up in the water with no where to call home.

small axe

Haven't started carrying a rifle in the car yet, but I've become very vigilant about having my concealed carry (P365 12rd mag) with me. Especially at church. 🙁 Probably need to watch the video again, but the way I remember it HPAC was when things are popping off to the point where I'm open carrying a rifle on sling in public. We're not there yet, but what could it hurt to throw a rifle and your armor in the trunk. Riot season 2020 was the last time I carried a rifle in the passenger compartment of the car within arm's reach. I think you just get a feeling when the time comes.

squealer

Yes - if only so I can remember what the acronym stands for! Dang, but the older I get, the younger I was.

SigCrash

I think most dudes would like to see more of what a HPAC kit looks like to different people in different geos. For someone like me who lives in a rural area but frequently goes into a major metropolitan area in south Texas my HPAC might be a draco with an invrt bandoleer. I imagine someone living near a more volatile geo might keep a PC kitted out with their carbine.

Scout154

Yes, now is the time. I’d love to see an update! Being in law enforcement all I can say is stay vigilant and prepare

Michael Pau

Me and my friend live about an hour from the Portland antifa captiol. Both very concerned and bracing for the worst. Even my relatively conservative town had several head-up-rear zombies who publicly celebrated Charlie's murder. All they got was paid leave from the school they work at. We fear the maniacs will keep their promise to come to the suburbs or whatever they said, basically threatening to go from their usual stomping grounds and target normal people indiscriminately. I have upped on extra emergency food and water containers, going to order stabilized oxygen for my 5 large water carriers & fill all the bottles I've saved. Freeze dryer has been kicked into high gear for the harvest of my fruit trees. Have emergency bag for truck set up based on Nutnfancy and Paul Harrell reccommendations. Monitoring internet and local independent journalists to know if we have to hunker down and defend the castle. Neighbors are trustworthy. Seeing weird people come out of the woodwork in public very unsettling and worrying praying for mental and spiritual strength. Avoiding public places as much as possible. Do not want to fight, want to make it through bad times if they come. God help us and God bless america.

Zambini

As a UVU student that was there the day Charlie was killed, I’m feeling the HPAC. Would love a video on it and our current state from your viewpoint.

Plasmids

Yes, I’d love to see an update on the HPAC system Nutn! Especially the types of defensive items you would add in the kit.

Beck

I just subscribe on patreon to tell you: Thank you so much for your content and they way you make it! I was following you since years, but never really subscribed. I‘ve listen to your thoughts, comments and views for hours. Actually found you about p226 content some freaky 17 years+ ago… It was my first gun… funniest thing,… its still the best gun I own and there are some around. I even think about a newer p226. I am a fan of the tnp project and I hope you can and will continue. Great stuff! Stay safe and visit a doctor every now and then, cant lose another one after Paul.

TechNeck

High probability of armed conflict

Erik Preston

HPAC and perhaps a refresher on L1&2 first aid kits / rendering aid to others or self. I would also like to get your take on those pullover plate carrier backpacks. Seems like a good option for HPAC but I've been wrong before.

Aaron Ferralles

I think it’s a fluid situation, we can use HPAC systems depending on environment.

Dan

Love to see it a hpac update. as a jewish man living in the united states I am constantly evaluating where I am going and what the threat of terrorist attacking me.

Dan

Watching your 2020 HPAC video and want an update even more now.

Andrettski

More knowledge and preparedness are always good things to discuss. I live in the country surrounded by my fellow gun nut neighbors and avoid going to Portland as much as I can. But I need to be real and create a set-up. I would have to invest in a bolt down vehicle rifle safe.

Steven Salina

I need someone to publish a legend to keep up with all the different abbreviations.

Matt Mann USA

The states highlighted in red on this map: https://www.handgunlaw.us/states/michigan.pdf are communist no-go zones as far as I'm concerned. They don't recognize any other state's concealed carry permit, and they try to keep their own residents unarmed. If you're a patriot and you live in one of those states - you've gotta move to a free state. In 2014, we moved almost 1000 miles to get away from the crazy northeast. We lived in PA about an hour from Baltimore. That entire region is completely over-crowded, highly leftist, and full of major nuke targets. Move west or south. You won't regret it.

Isaiah Swanson

I think overall it depends on where you are just like it did before. The difference now is that more and more previously “safe” places are becoming places that may require HPAC. All these immigrants flooding into the country bring more crime in places you might not have needed HPAC in before, so it’s becoming more and more necessary. As time goes on I think the need for HPAC goes up as safe places get fewer and farther between

Colostomybag

EDC update PLEASE. I have gotten married (to a woman) recently and have been secure in my sexuality enough to rock a fanny pack. It rocks.

Dustin

I’d love to see an update. Myself personally, I am on much more high alert. Outside of work, I am carrying with standard pressure hollow point loads in addition to having a knife, light, and pepper spray. I’ve been thinking about moving over to +P rounds for my carry. At this point, it’s a fanny pack or crossbody bag at all times. I do carry some rudimentary trauma/bleed products with me. I have a larger hill, people gear fanny pack that holds a higher level of medical products for trauma and a juice c2. I think with the instability and number of recent attacks, you just never know. It would be nice to see a greater police presence in my city, but I can’t say I’ve seen that happen.

Brievet

An LPAC HPAC update is highly sought. The 2020 mountainsmith iteration was extremely useful. We need updated info on available covert bags, active retention holsters, slim sidearm systems, and additional POU re: PCCs or BPOs for use alongside our USKs. If anyone can loan Nutn a Mystery Ranch 3-Way Briefcase, that would be a worthwhile consideration.

Bill

An feature length LPAC/HPAC update is something that I want.

Gilbert Cuzdey Jr

Realistically in most of the country probably not. Defitan LPAC + though, no micro pistols, cary spare mag, etc. people need to push their capabilities. Can you hit a man at 100 yards with your pistol? How good is your draw? How many med courses have you taken etc? Time to focus on being a more capable operator. Violence isn't sustained enough for HPAC, I think.

David Englehart

HPAC when I have to go into Memphis, for sure. LPAC for my little town.

bugout

Love all the vids you do on these topics... still LPAC at the moment i think

Chris Kales

Thanks, Nutn. Would love a feature length HPAC update.

Stuart Z

Maybe set up some Soldier Boy type videos comparing LPAC verses man portable HPAC system. Intro with this is my LPAC, this is what I've put together for HPAC, and then doing a few runs to compare how LPAC works vs HPAC, and then a short AAR

Stuart Z

This is the way: "I know most guys only train with their handgun at 3 to 5 yards and think 10 yards is a long-distance shot, but if you practice at 50 to 100 yards and get good at it, even 25 yards will feel like nothing. If you're caught in one of these attacks like we've been seeing lately, you will only have the handgun you're carrying to defend yourself and others. You'll never be able to retrieve a rifle from your truck and return with it in a timely manner. Your concealed carry handgun is your primary weapon, and you need to be carrying it at all times." Train like you need to stop an active shooter or a squad of terrorists at 100 yards and stopping a mugger at 5 yards will be easy.

Stuart Z

That's worthy of discussion. There is a lot of room between say a pocket revolver, a micro 9 with 1 mag, and a full size handgun with several spare mags and an AR in a backpack.

Stuart Z

I initially replied to a couple other commenters, but realized I wanted to put a couple of their ideas together and build on it: Showing and evaluating different set ups has value. Maybe revisit the Soldier Boy type videos within an LPAC vs HPAC context. Intro with this is my LPAC, this is what I've put together for HPAC, and then doing a few runs to compare how LPAC works vs HPAC, and then a short AAR. For runs I think HPAC dictates multiple stages, say a close range stage with 3-5 targets at 3-5 yards, a hostage rescue stage with a small target at 10 yards, and a third stage with longer ranges out to at least 100 yards, because sometimes you need to stop a shooter at 100+ yards. For HPAC, I would say we still aren’t open carrying rifles (that’s WROL), so all runs should be done from concealment whether using a handgun, long gun, or both. For the longer range pistol shots, it would be helpful to take a few shots on steel at 25, 50, 75, and 100 yards to build shooter confidence and demonstrate that it can be done. Bullet drop is not as big as you would expect, usually 6-10 inches at 100 yards. Train like you need to stop an active shooter or a squad of terrorists at 100 yards and stopping a mugger at 5 yards will be easy. I actually revamped my HPAC system earlier tonight in preparation for a church campout where I will be helping with security. Weaponry for this system is essentially my EDC pistol with optic, and a number of extra magazines. Others on site have more rifle training and better rifles, so a long gun is not a priority in my role. I would like to put together a braced pistol or folding rifle for a number of reasons including possible HPAC use, but that is not a priority for me right now.

WILLIAM MEYER

So MANY acronyms! Guess I'll have to put together a decoder sheet since I can't seem to remember them all. Really enjoy all your acronym presentations!

Vladimir

Would appreciate the feature length update

Timothy King

I’d love to know your thoughts on the Stroup SD-1 push dagger for LEO duty carry.

Schmuckatelli

If you can believe it, there are still places where people don't lock their doors, they leave their trucks running while they run into the store, and they know their neighbors (even if the closest neighbor is a few miles away). As you can imagine, there is a very low probability of an armed conflict in that type of environment. But when you have to go into the city to pickup supplies, it's a different world. There you see the homeless, drug addicts, gang activity, lots of poverty, etc. And it's in THAT environment where there is a dramatic increase in the probability of an armed conflict. You have to have your head on a swivel and keep an eye out for the safety of your family.