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Paintball Primer: VPA Answer (Patreon)

Published:
2020-12-15 03:49:41
Edited:
2020-12-15 16:43:08
Imported:
2026-08

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In field discussion and short demo how a non lethal paintball gun might save lives.  You see in today's upside down world you will most likely be on your own when attacked by VPAs.  Many videos show the police doing nothing when Protifa attacks normal folks, conservatives.  Time to prepare accordingly.

Maybe a paintball gun dialed up all the way and employing the solid PVC "riotballs" will be our first answer.  We find that regular paint lets us down.  Then we hammer a rock in demonstration with the PVC balls.  These are expensive but they're the best answer and can take long term storage and temperature extremes.

Sean the TNPr is helping and this is the day he gave me COVID!

Sadly the Spyder Victor $65 paintball gun is all sold out on Amazon, check here [from Guy Actual]:  https://www.ansgear.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=spyder+victor&submit=+

.68 cal PVC Riotballs in Amazon: https://amzn.to/3nm5pkn

Alumina media milling balls suggested by, I haven't tried them, .68 cal is 17.272mm btw [from Dana Flack]: https://tinyurl.com/yba8n6ff 

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Paintball Primer

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Todd Strelka

I never got into paintball but this is cool. You guys have so much fun! A serious discussion though. Thanks for sharing.

Adam T. Carlson

Used to love playing paintball back in high school with friends. Maybe even started in junior high; don't remember. Had this old Brass Eagle pump pistol marker first and then I think a Tippman pump marker then finally a Tippman semi auto. Had a few acres of woods and long grass behind our house so we could just play back there. Lotsa fun.

Daniel Ayres

Never thought I’d see the day of a paintball gun posted up here. But definitely a pretty cool video! And the thing is, a lot of people have them already. Kids went through them. Probably sitting up in attics and closets. We were big into them back in high school 03-07. The old tippman 98’s are everywhere.

Hold Fast Joe

Similar here, I grew up in city but had a place to go allowed to play in a large enough woods that was interesting with a little creek and hills. Had the tipman pro lite, later went to an auto cocker that was very heavy but the barrel it had on it, a lapco 10.5 inch was so accurate I took the weight. While everyone else was carrying 16 inch barrels I had this short thing but I would nail em through tiny openings and lanes they didn't have a prayer! So fun

Hold Fast Joe

This brings memories, so fun. With your gas turned up or the hammer spring so tight to get the high velocity on plastic rounds that's most likely why you were breaking paint as you noted. Even if it worked fine though plastic rounds for defense are way better than paint. I remember I would rotate my paint every other week so it would stay nice and round. Not much you can do to stop it from getting brittle except go out and have fun before that happens! Spyder! Bleh, tipman 1000% better lol

Cali Carrier

I’ve thought about airsoft for run and gun training, exercise, and honestly just plain old fun. Never considered a riot control POU...makes sense though. Good post.

Joe Mack

Time to start "acquiring" some pepper balls from work.

David and Elizabeth

A good less than lethal option to keep inside a vehicle. Or a good training tool while running certain drills. Would not want to carry one on our person for many reasons. If used to try and avoid a lethal show of force but then had to go lethal, concerned a leftist DA would prosecute for "escalating the situation".

Rob K

Are there any real world examples or theoretical situations where someone (citizen, non LE) defended themselves with a paintball/airsoft gun legally where lethal force would not have also been legal? It reminds me of my CCW instructor warning to never brandish or fire warning shots because it shows you were unsure that you were in fear for your life or limb. I think its morally acceptable to employ to avoid serious injury or death, but my guess is the DAs where this is happening would come after you for assault. Never mind you are trying to avoid using lethal force.

TechNeck

big problem with paintballs is that they are pretty much no good after 6 months. they are very short lived, you need to "rotate them" every couple weeks to prevent dimples from forming and store them cool and dry. Winter paintballs are better, they are liquid wax filled instead of vegetable oi, very common to find in canada(longer colder winters, (we still go out and play in -20). they store a lot longer, and they are much harder to wipe off (they stain clothes if left to long). Lots of training rounds are better, I know you can get full ruber balls... and velcro balls. I know some AL crush media balls are about the right size... and they go through interior grade doors at 30 feet. these guys right here https://www.msesupplies.com/products/17-mm-alumina-milling-media-balls?variant=23741118775354

MCatl

Less lethal for whom? While you're trying not to inflict fatal injury on your opponent, he has ZERO reason under the stress of the moment to think that you have anything but a firearm pointed at him, and if he were not a lethal threat before, he would very likely escalate to that level and to fire on YOU if he has the option. AND his attorney would very likely be able to argue in court that his actions were in self-defense because he had legitimate reason to believe you were pointing a firearm at him. This is not a good "less lethal" option.

J Ram

I think we're already seeing that market (supply) shrink as the market (supply not demand) for real guns evaporates can prices increase and ammo shortages drive up the prices of ammo to all time highs....people are resorting to PB and AS as low cost alternatives as well as less than lethal, particularly in the case of maybe left leaning individuals who are against guns. What about balls with OC spray, would that be an option as well? I could see maybe using something like that for far distance (25yds-15yds), and then switching to lethal once they get inside 15yds. Also a great training tool. Thanks Colonel!

Tim Bone

Thank you. We need MORE of this unconventional thinking about a "less lethal" response to angry mobs and the discussion should start here! This may not be a good "less lethal" option in most scenarios...but a damn good one in a few separate ones. If truck drivers carried this when confronted by angry protestors or one of the McCloskeys brandished this (while the other had a firearm for backup) the tables could have turned against the ANTIFA/BLM insurgency. These are two examples I could see this being a good option. Its important the paintball gun NOT appear like a real gun and have some sort of dayglo color and yet have a real firearm immediately accessible. I know this current time of mob-rule and Racial Socialism sucks...but that's where we are now folks (unless you live in Florida). And we ain't voting our way out of this anytime soon. 😡

Tim Bone

Indeed. In this video it's an "escape/defensive tool" but as you said if some of those truck drivers and motorists who were blocked in carried this in their vehicle and fired pepper-balls out their window...(hell if James Field Jr did that in Charlottesville instead of slamming on the accelerator) we might see a very weakened opposition then what we are facing now. Hard questions ahead brothers and sisters...and a very controversial subject! 😣

Tim Bone

Sounds like you're an experienced paintballer? So 1.) How long does paintball ammo last before it degrades? 2.) How long does the air cylinder last in the paintball gun? If they both degrade quickly (especially in an extreme hot/cold environment like a vehicle trunk) then this is pretty much useless...

Hold Fast Joe

The paint if stored in dry cool area will last a long time but you need to turn the box every few weeks. If you store it in the hopper loaded ready to go in your car is not going to last long, maybe a week. Air comes in two varieties, hpa (what nutn had on his) and co2. Typically you'll just use co2, it's cheap. If you slap a 12 ounce refillable container on there your good for 800 rounds and it's a good seal you're not going to lose any air. Beware keeping these in your car regardless of paint or plastic. If it gets hot it'll blow the over pressure cap on the bottle and you won't be able to refill it. With Hpa this is less likely to happen than with co2, but either way I wouldn't leave the air in your vehicle. Take it off, carry the air with you. Depending where you work you may not be allowed to carry those in so.. just something to consider. There's a lot of problems with this kind of defensive tool, but if you handle it appropriately it'll work

Guy Actual

NOTICE: The Spyder Victor is available at ansgear.com AT THIS MOMENT. They have refurbished models for $59.46 with free shipping. I paid $63.33 out the door for one. I don't work there, just found them to be available. Botach.com has pepper balls should you like to go that route, but remember that they are a powder, and know your wind direction, otherwise, you may end up in a bad way. Personally, I like the pvc route as they won't degrade over time. Not sure how long Pepperballs store, but I'm guessing they loose potential over time. This would be a good solution in limited senerios, but I like having options!

Michael B warner

I absolutely love this what an awesome innovative idea. I can see how effective this could be if you find yourself being attacked in your vehicle 🤔 If you had one of these ready to go in your vehicle cutting loose on your assailants to drive them away, is definitely better than running them over. Because hitting someone with your vehicle more than likely will kill someone. Besides it's possible for a judge to recognize your attempt to defend yourself without using deadly force in your favor. Actually probably not let me retract that previous thought. If you find yourself in a courtroom after defending yourself. Regardless the circumstances your still going to be viewed as the bad guy. Damned if you do and possibly dead if you don't. This shit is completely upside-down 🤬 This is still a great idea and I'm going to put a system together to carry in my truck thank's Nutn.

The Nutnfancy Project

Yep it's a vehicle option for us here. Desperate times call for desperate measures however and I might change my system according to what's happening. You see the Left has brought this upon themselves by their violence perpetuated and even after them "winning" the election, it continues. This is an attempt of not having to use lethal force. With the cops not doing their jobs in these large blue cities it's just an option.

The Nutnfancy Project

I think you're assuming these are normal times. I don't think they are. We have seen throughout 2020 a consistent grey area of violence by the VPAs. I will do everything in my power not to use lethal force and this is a great option in that approach. Fact is, in the blue areas and even in red areas, ANY conservative is being vilified for defending themselves. I don't use a paintball gun to avoid judgement by a court btw, I do it to prevent judgement by my God.

The Nutnfancy Project

It's a good option for me and I will continue to employ it under certain circumstances. So you're saying we should trigger directly to the lethal option directly? What about someone who's threatening you on your property like the St Louis couple. What about when VPAs block your vehicle...should I just run them over? What about when VPAs attack your car? I have advocated avoidance as the best option always, but what if you can't and they come to you (as they have)? Hard times make for hard choices. I will continue to have these in my systems, thanks M.

The Nutnfancy Project

"If truck drivers carried this when confronted by angry protestors or one of the McCloskeys brandished this (while the other had a firearm for backup) the tables could have turned against the ANTIFA/BLM insurgency. " Exactly what I said in my comment to MCatl above, I hadn't read yours yet. You get it! "I know this current time of mob-rule and Racial Socialism sucks...but that's where we are now folks " CORRECT. You see some here applying old paradigms. Don't forget the paintball gun could be another way to SAVE lives in WROL also. And if it regretfully went to guns, we're ready there too.

The Nutnfancy Project

"If you had one of these ready to go in your vehicle cutting loose on your assailants to drive them away, is definitely better than running them over. " BINGO! What we're doing with this systems is trying to defend ourselves and prevent life taking at the same time. Some here seem paranoid of DA prosecution or brandishing concerns. Folks, in these situations you won't care a crap about such stuff because your life is at risk from the Leftist VPAs. "Regardless the circumstances your still going to be viewed as the bad guy. Damned if you do and possibly dead if you don't. This shit is completely upside-down 🤬". Correct again Michael, you totally get it.

The Nutnfancy Project

THanks Guy for the heads up on that Spyder Victor, I will put it in the description! Indeed I think that any liquid or powder filled ball won't store well over time, esp. in a hot or cold vehicle. Could imagine one of those pepper balls breaking while you're driving too?

mm80121

As usual Nutn has actually thought about an issue and is putting out some new thinking not just parroting someone else’s groupthink 🤙🤙🤙

jay m

Just ordered one. thank you for another amazing video

Rob K

I don't think its normal times. I also don't think its that grey. You hit the nail on the head in UDR: we entered a time of selective law enforcement in urban (leftist) jurisdictions where they turn a blind eye to VPAs and prosecute those who defend themselves based on politics. I'm just interested in your take on the ROE with a paintball gun. How is it different than that of a firearm? For example, would you open up on a crowd to clear an avenue of escape where you wouldn't with a firearm and deal with legal ramifications later? Totally agree there is a difference between moral and legal justification. Sounds like you're doing a follow up video that will contain a POU discussion. Looking forward to it, keep up the great content!

Shadeslinger

I can attest first hand that getting hit with pvc balls, uh "sting". I used to play in an amateur speed ball league when I was younger, but when my team wasn't using paintballs on the field we would do exactly what you demonstrated using pvc balls and cranking up the psi. Of course, we were wearing full masks, neck protectors, cups, and knee pads but no other "armor". This would teach us a few things. 1. How to properly take cover under fire. 2. How to mentally train yourself on shooting angles and positioning. 3. Teamwork. A lot of those lessons have stuck with me through the years. I miss my old paintgun I sold decades ago. It was a pneumatic Worr Games Mini-Orracle in blue/silver fade. Good times!

Tim Bone

Crap. Oh well...thanks for the info

Tim Bone

I like your thinking on this. Even though the riots have died down (Chicago still sees sporadic looting even in December) I think urban chaos and mob-rule will be with us for the foreseeable future. Another thing to consider is this: the BLM/ANTIFA insurgency is emboldened and thinking tactically. If our side doesn't use these "less lethal" tools then they will experiment with it themselves. I can definitely see ANTIFA goons using paintball guns against police in the next mass "protest" come Spring. Not as a defensive tool but to goad the police in overreacting or panicking. They are suicidal in some respect and think they are invincible at this point. Our side needs to be ahead of the power curve because their side is wasting no time.

Tim Bone

Another thing to consider is this: the ANITFA-BLM insurgency is not giving in and is thinking of ways to overcome past defensive tactics. (If you would have told me 18-months ago that kids hopped up on dextromethorphan and energy drinks, carrying umbrellas, shielded by wet face masks and goggles, using frozen water bottles, skateboards, fireworks and police radio jammers could overcome riot police 3x their numbers I would have thought you were crazy.) I've seen the riots in Chicago first-hand. They have given birth to ANTIFA "shock troops" and professional BLM "looting crews". The other side will begin to experiment with less lethal options like paintball guns in the near future. I'm in NO WAY worried about any of the commenters here being ready for lethal WROL situations. But with the gray "less than lawful" situations we find ourselves in...our side has to be ahead of the power-curve.

Hold Fast Joe

Don't let me discourage you. If you keep the tank in say a cooler to prevent it from reaching 100+ degrees maybe that'll work. You'd need to play around put a gauge in the cooler and test it. Make sure conditions are consistent and test it in varying conditions. Just beware of the danger, a small co2 or high pressure air container inside a car or truck in high heat.. you need to take practical precautions. A 12 ounce bottle weighs about 1.5 pounds when full. I don't want to get hit in the head by a 1.5 pound rocket in my car driving down the high way. When I traveled for tournaments we would empty our tanks and fill at the game. It was something we took serious

Hold Fast Joe

Hey don't think patreon will notify you that I responded above. So replying here too let you know. Just passing on knowledge and experience. One thing I did not mention above was extreme cold. If you carry normal paint it will freeze. Plastic is the best option. In a normal game cold temps the co2 would freeze up, but talking after firing 300 rounds rapidly. Can address it by using high pressure air (no freezing) or get an anti siphoned tube installed in your co2 tank which doesnt solve it 100% but for this use I'm not sure it's even necessary. Get a standard 12oz you should be fine but wanted to let you know

Carlos Spicyweiner

What about the bottles/tanks? Don't they come empty? How do you refill?

Andrettski

Nothin' like goin' out in the desert sprayin' some pvc and paint balls while passing a little Rona virus. Looks like fun minus the Rona.

Cory Risseeuw

I have not played paintball for a long time but many years ago when I did I was serious about it and into tournament style paintball. I am sure a lot of what I know about it is applicable today. A paint ball is not something that will store, unless you have a temperature and moisture controlled storage. You can shoot through ball breaks but depending on how bad it could do anything from kill accuracy to stop the gun. I don't think it is feasible to use paintballs. PVC would be a much more realistic choice. I have never been hit by a PVC ball but I would assume it would hurt. Like you say the attacker would have to be motivated. Depending on how much danger you are in you could aim differently. Damage could be done to an attacker. A paintball in the eye will 100% take that eye out for life. A paintball to the face will hurt a lot. A ball shot is painful and hard to continue on an attack from. As far as the gun goes spend what you can but a Spyder would work. A Tipman would be better. However with a PVC ball either would be fine. The more expensive guns or tourney guns will be able to shoot fragile paintballs faster and more accurate. With PVC balls breaking the balls isn't really an issue. Any gun will shoot fast enough. The compressed air tank is a LOT better than CO2. A CO2 tank will be fine in warm weather but when it gets cold it will be a big issue. If you can afford high pressure get it. The tank will be more important than a more expensive gun. For sure when using PVC balls.

MCatl

I'm not saying anything of the kind, but having kicked this idea around several years ago myself, I decided it was a bad idea when I came up with it and recent events have only reinforced my view on that. For starters, even a low-effort Google search shows that pointing a paintball gun or an Airsoft gun at someone can still rise to the level of a felony, and if you cannot justify shooting someone with a firearm, you're probably not going to get off a lot lighter using a paintball gun. Here's a few links that are worth reading: https://www.masslive.com/police-fire/2019/08/2-springfield-men-facing-assault-charges-following-reported-paintball-gun-drive-by-shooting-spree.html , https://www.wftv.com/news/trending/raging-paintball-wars-across-los-angeles-prompt-warning-police/Z4BKFF3HRBC7VFHTO3H2TNBLHE/ , https://www.providencejournal.com/news/20190708/newport-man-charged-with-shooting-airsoft-gun-at-teen , https://www.kget.com/news/crime-watch/police-man-in-officer-involved-shooting-opened-fire-with-paintball-gun/ , and -- very closely related to this topic -- https://www.kget.com/news/local-news/trump-supporters-rally-at-emerald-cove-park/ . Notice in the last case that the man was charged with assault with a deadly weapon, despite the fact that he used a paintball gun.

MCatl

I'm not going discuss specific tactics that I might or might not use if I get cornered in a riot situation. For one thing, loose lips sink ships, and I can think of one case in the Midwest where a special prosecutor made public statements to the effect that he had elected to pursue murder charges against a man who shot an assailant who had knocked him down from behind and jumped on him to press the attack despite the DA declining to press charges, and the special prosecutors stated reason for doing so was that he found "prejudicial intent" in the man's social media comments. Be warned that what you post here can and will be used against you in a kangaroo court of law.

MCatl

The other aspect of tactics is that every one has a plan until they've been hit. But legally and tactically, my smartest move would be to stay holed up in my vehicle with the windows up. Though it is not true in all states, in GA my automobile is an extension of my domicile, and the same rules apply for dealing with violent entry. In fact the law was adopted to stem a spate of carjackings we had about 20 years ago specifically to provide legal protection to owners and occupants of vehicles if someone forcibly attempted to open the vehicle. Some states (TN for one) have adopted laws that prevent motorists from being charged with vehicular assault or vehicular homicide for striking anyone deliberately attempting to block traffic; I'm not crazy about the idea, but at least there is some legal precedent for it. Tactically, though, I don't want windows open unless I absolutely have to have them opened: Aside from window glass providing at least more protection from projectiles than empty air provides, it makes it a lot harder for someone to lob a Molotov cocktail into the interior. And once someone breaks a window to get at me, I'm not particularly concerned with saving his life as much as I am with saving mine.

Kinoons

I had no clue the pvc balls existed. Very cool idea

Adam Boyd

Excellent idea! I had no idea about the pvc option. Thanks for thinking of this and sharing it!

Tim Bone

Roger that. This isn't as reliable a tool...or doable as I thought in extreme temps.

Tim Bone

Roger that Joe. Thanks for the info!

Hold Fast Joe

This whole post just takes me back to the fun in the 90s. Winter time we wrapped our co2 tanks up and stuck hand warmers in there (beware this is dangerous and dumb), then did same to our hoppers so paint would work. It was such a blast, get 30 to 40 people every weekend playing. Travel to big games where there would be 500 to over a thousand show up. Oh man, it was great times! Sad everyone fighting and so jaded now. Life was awesome at that time!

Idan Sicard

pretty interesting. never considered this

The Nutnfancy Project

Great comment and agreed. This less than lethal war is constantly morphing the other side as you note is very sophisticated. We do need to be ready. ANTIFA "shock troops" and professional BLM "looting crews">> maybe coming to a community near you...and supported by the media, LE, and your govt. Holy cow.

The Nutnfancy Project

You have to have them stored up and ready. Scheels in UT does HPA and CO2 refills. But with the Covid Scamdemic the paintball fields near you usually do this svc are shut down. Might have to look around some. There are fillers that you can buy but I think they're big bucks.

The Nutnfancy Project

Wow, I am impressed with your guys' comments Cory, you score another excellent one. All you observations are spot on. I really don't ever want to have to go lethal this is just one method during this "cold war" phase that I can use. No when real WROL breaks out the paint guns ain't gonna be used no more. But as of this posting they are great options with PVC or solid shot. Shot placement can cause different effects as you note. Hopefully surprise would be on your side in this defensive encounter, if so these will be very scary to them. They would to me.

The Nutnfancy Project

You bet Adam. I had to research these and was glad to find them. Thanks for being here.

John S

At first glance, I thought this video would be you guys shooting each other with the paintball gun in the desert and then doing some firearms training/shooting...you know, to get the heart rate elevated and the adrenaline pumping! (If you are thinking about it, be sure to wear a paintball mask.) As someone who played paintball recreationally and competitively since the late 90's, as well as worked at a paintball field (years ago I'll add), I echo what many others have said about storing paintballs and the superiority of the Tippmann vs anything Kingmann (Spyder). For anyone who would turn their nose up at a Tippmann because it is about double the price of the Victor, I would say it is like comparing a Taurus/Rossi revolver to a S&W revolver. Sure the Taurus/Rossi will work, but it's not going to have the refinements or the staying power the S&W will give you. I can't tell you how many kids would show up to the field with their Spyder and it would break down. We would almost always give them a rental so they could still have a good time. Having said all that, I would choose the Tippmann A5 for a set it and forget it scenario. The big difference between the Tippmann 98/Spyder and the A5 is the hopper. With the 98/Spyder guns with the standard "shake'n shoot" hoppers, you're totally reliant on gravity to load the balls. You also are very susceptible to the balls jamming up in the hopper, especially if you shoot faster. This is also a big reason why balls break. As the ball is falling into the breach, if it isn't all the way down and you pull the trigger, the bolt goes forward (paintball guns almost all shoot from an open bolt) and will clip the ball and cause the ball to break once it goes down the barrel. The A5 has a Cyclone Feed system, which is a pneumatic loader that every time you pull the trigger, the paddles spin and push a ball into the breach. This way, everytime you pull the trigger, a ball is going to be in the breech and ready to fire. And because it is pneumatic, you don't have to worry about batteries. If I know I am going to a place where I know I might need a paintball gun as a less than lethal option, I would for sure get my tournament setup! A force fed hopper (Dye Rotor) with an electronic gun (Bob Long G6r or Closer) that can spit out 15+ balls per second, will light someone up in a hurry.

Guy Actual

Fast shipping, its set to arrive today via fedex!

Tom Cairns

Hopefully not too redundant, seems to be a lot of people with a lot of good experience. Couple things, used to play a lot of woodsball on our farms in Canada. They do make winter paintballs that have a thicker shell etc that have higher reliability at higher velocity and lower temp. If you're running paint I would keep it under 350fps. When we turned up close to 400 you'd have reliability issues. Gun type dependant obviously. Im very interested in the PVC balls and to me that's almost certainly the way to go if this is gonna not be looked after. Maybe newer guns are better, but always once every few months take the bolt out and redo the o-rings or they don't last. Also I'm not sure if they're in business still, but hammerhead used to make sweet rifled barrels that I think would be awesome with the PVC. Not sure what a flatline/apex barrel would do, the increased mass may not allow the backspin to increase range. Possibly worth some investigation. Cheers all

Tacticaldoodle

He's had his A5 since 2002, when I grabbed my 98 custom. Great markers, we've got the mods on the 'todo' list sometime. Had a friend with a well made 98 with the double/pneumatic trigger that could sling if the hopper kept up. (I suspect NF threw my richocet 2k loader away.....too many 9 volts died.) Part of the reason for the cheap one is the unlikelihood people need to use it, and the obvious paintball effect. People are dumb, and they'll think the A5 is a genuine HK even with gear attached. Something deliberately loud helps de-gun the profile a bit. You'll see some tippy stuff at some point, just have to go hunting for my parts kits ferreted away. Good info!

Tacticaldoodle

When we got our tipmann's we pulled em out of the box, went into some woods, and shot the crap out of each other. They came from the factory around 400fps, so that left some color on ya. It's too bad the cool old businesses are kinda gone. i loved those "EVIL Industries" kits, and the Smart Parts paint jobs.

Cory Risseeuw

For sure surprise would be a big advantage. It isn't as loud as a gun but there is still a loud pop and then if something hits you and hurts it is going to get to most people. The attacker would have to be pretty motivated. The paint balls hurt to but the killer on those is just that they are so fragile to keep viable in storage. The PCV balls are perfect though. They make some smaller markers that could be concealed but they pretty much suck. I would forget about those.

Cyborg009

Most of the protests were peaceful. It depends on your locale. I got attacked in one of the LA protests/looting riots (amateur mugging) and I fought them off with my Nutnfancy recommended Kershaw Knockout. While paintball guns might have some deterrent value, I think there is an underestimation of the legal risk involved; just look at what taking out your weapons gets in Missouri. You also need to take into account that the Democratic Party's activist wing has heavily leaned on the Left protestors (they are not the same thing!) to keep inside until after Biden is inaugurated. Once that occurs, all bets are off.

Daniel Herb

Great option for non lethal! Glad TNP is bringing different options to the table for vehicle systems.