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Honor Defense HG9: Eclipsed by the Competition (Patreon)

Published:
2020-12-19 18:36:40
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2020-12-19 18:44:06
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2026-08
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Pedro

“Eclipsed by the competition” maybe a rant in this video?

Randall

Rant rant

Pedro

I’ll get the drinks ready.

Todd Strelka

I remember checking out this handgun several years ago. I never heard of the brand before. It is a facsimile of the Smith & Wesson M&P Shield. Put them side-by-side and they have the same profile.

Pedro

You’re on point nutnfancy on the patriotism bandwagon. Usually a smoke screen to pedal crap. Veteran owned doesn’t always equal good quality, nor does something dipped in American flag.

Tacticaldoodle

Well the upside is that they are improving with each new version. Maybe the next one will take me by surprise and own the rest. It's not like the recipe is a secret these days.

Pedro

Holy hell 23 ounces!! My PPQ q5 is 27.9 in long slide.

Steve Ouellette

I’ve been watching your videos for years and have been very happy buying your recommendations. I did buy and enjoy a SCCY 2 so sometimes I’m just deviant. Really enjoy seeing normal people on the internet! Merry Christmas

Pedro

PPQ is great. If only we could get mags as cheap as glocks. I think they would dominate the German made market If they did.

Silas Porter

This pistol reminds me of a Bible verse. Revelation 3:16 Since you are lukewarm and neither hot nor cold, I am going to spit you out of my mouth. 23oz, 8+1 capacity, expensive mags, poor trigger and the fact that it lives in the minutia of the gun community makes it a no go. It does nothing new or ground breaking and lives in the late 2000's. My M&P 2.0 3.6" compact 22.7oz naked, 25.1 with a TLR-7, 34.6 fully load with TLR-7, 15+1 capacity, $30 mags and a large accessory market. In my mind there is no comparison.

Cheesewell

Is it a bad thing that I own every competitive option shown in this video!? Lol, I live with my LCPII on me, and the Walther PPS Gen 1, never leaves the truck.

David and Elizabeth

Honor Defense took on a monumental task. We commend them for their efforts but honestly, good luck going up against the likes of S&W, Glock, Sig,...etc. The Honor Guard is actually a very good showing, all things considered. Who knows? Maybe they'll have enough success enabling them to innovate in the future beyond our wildest dreams. We sincerely wish them all the best. 🇺🇸👍 👨‍👩‍👧❤

Scott Orr

Gotta disagree with the comparison to the Shield... I own 2 shields and this isn't anything like it other than maybe the size. Just the high bore axis alone makes it a different design...

Kelly McClellan

I agree with what you said about patriotism and veterans. I don’t care who makes it, I just want the best product for my money. If they happen to be veteran owned or patriotism that is just all the better.

Racing Psychosis

Yowsa. When I first saw that sometime ago, I was like hmmm. Yea not interested in that. Other good competitive options are still a used XDS or the Shield as well as all of the ones that you named. They are all better options in my opinion. I'll stick with the 43 and the Hellcat.

Racing Psychosis

That was my very first thought as well when I first saw on in the LGS. I was like, why are you not just carrying the Shield instead of this. At the time they did not have one in the store, then later I saw it next one, looks similar but yet different.

Rob B

The P365 is my standard carry gun until something really “game changing” 🙄 comes along. It checks all the 1st cool boxes I need it to check. The HG9 is a 2008 gun in a 2020 world.

Connor Murphy

''2008 gun in a 2020 world.'' That's a great way to put it.

Pedro

If it’s well made you don’t need the veterans owned shtick.

Pedro

I’ve been considering a LCP2 if I can find one.

Josiah Pierce

I just got a PPQ a few weeks ago and love it. Am noticing some surface rust on the slide. Anyone had issues with the slide coating?

Jeff

I think what you are getting at with the combination of high bore axis and large slide weight is the 'moment of inertia'. The problem is not just that the bore sits high, but the distribution of weight in the pistol. For example, the 226 form factor pistols have a high bore axis, but if you balance the gun on one finger, you'll find that the center of mass lies below the slide near the locking block, which is why the high bore axis in the 226 doesn't bother you so much.

Pedro

Josiah pierce ive owned mine and daily EDC it in Florida for I want to say 3 years now. Not a spec of rust. Can you post a pic in the community section

Kelly McClellan

Exactly! I feel like just expect you to over look the flaws in their product because they think they’re special. Everyone is special in someway and every hardworking American makes this country great. Just make good stuff and I’ll give you money.

Jeremy Corrao

Hear anything about troop movements to Nellis??

The Nutnfancy Project

"I am going to spit you out of my mouth. 23oz, 8+1 capacity, expensive mags, poor trigger and the fact that it lives in the minutia of the gun community makes it a no go." Great comment, agreed!

The Nutnfancy Project

"Is it a bad thing that I own every competitive option shown in this video!?" That's because you're awesome...so not a bad thing. PP@ Gen 1 is a NEVER sell gun btw, very xlnt, 2nd Cool pistol

Andrettski

I was gonna say at the 14:05 mark the slide didn't go fully into battery? Back to the rest GRV.

The Nutnfancy Project

Agree. We too love veterans, I'm one myself, and patriotism but don't use it to sell your stuff. It's just a bit cringey for us.

The Nutnfancy Project

P365 is your best choice yet and I don't see that changing anytime soon, a really great gun series.

The Nutnfancy Project

Haven't heard nothing about it but they do exercises all the time so I'm not buying into anything.

Andrettski

I'm sorry but except for the grip stippling just an ugly piece. B4 the pandemic crap you could get a Walther Creed for $250. I got a Beretta APX for $349. Like you guys said too many options for the money. I don't own one but what about the SAR 9 as real competitive option. I've got the full frame TP9SA so not for carry, but I'll put my stock Canik trigger up against just about anything I've shot.

Rick Grad

I Jumped on the Sig P365XL bandwagon, and it’s taken the Shield’s spot in the “tiny” gun summer carry category. I bought the Shield after your review Nutn, still like it a lot...but dang, P365XL is just ridiculously perfect.

Tacticaldoodle

I love the TP9 series, but the price is always higher than I remember it. Seems like the secret got out and now it's not at all unusual to see them around 7 hundo. I doubt there's a single creed left on the shelf until 2022, those things go fast!

Tacticaldoodle

I think everyone is likely gunning for the 365 after it's sales records were seen by management. We could have a very cool slate of ccw gear coming, not quite sure how they could take it down aside from aping the style and price, maybe cheaper mags. I know we're supposed to say glock mags but they're kinda chunky, people really love the slimness.

Tacticaldoodle

we're two weeks in to supposedly high amounts of traffic, lots of activity but it's hard to pin it on anything. Vaccine rollouts? Civil unrest? Training? Blue helmet, politician-requested UN intervention? the possibilities are endless! (Also the carriers, that was interesting to hear about.) But remember the rule: NOTHING EVER HAPPENS

Jeremy Corrao

Yes, you're absolutely right. NOTHING ever happens. It seems that there would be more talk about what's happening if something were "really" happening.

Michael B warner

I don't think I'll be running out and buying one of these anytime soon. Especially when I have so much love for my main carry Glock 27.

Racing Psychosis

Second that on the LCP2 its a faithful companion always.

Joshua Pulliam

I love my LCP2 and I carry it everyday. It definitely fits the bill for me. I like my G26 also, but it usually lives in my Maxpedition Prepared Citizen backpack.

Kelly McClellan

I carried a 26 for a long time. I agree with you.

Hold Fast Joe

Thanks for showing these brands that get less love than the major names. Despite the negatives is good to see them in action!

Robert Avery

Always appreciate when doodle accompanies you for the reviews. Doubles the greatness. Merry Christmas

Josiah Pierce

It’s really minor and only on engraved portions. If it comes back or gets worse I will get in touch with Walther. This is good to hear from long time owners! I have been loving it. The trigger is fantastic too. Thanks for the info!

Pedro

Right as covid hit I wanted 2 creed for our cars. 250 was the price and same walther factory as the PPQ. nope then covid hit and now I can’t find them for less then 450$.

Pedro

A new walther that’s 365 in style would be sick.

Pedro

Josiah maybe it was neglected by previous owners? Mine was new from the box upstairs not the floor model. I’m the only one who handles it and no rust. Honestly the coating hS been soo rust resistant I’m wanting to do my shotgun barrel in the same coating.

Andrettski

Yeah, I'm still kicking myself for not buying half a dozen of those Creeds, keep one then selling the rest to buy something else. I saw your paint fill on your PPS, I had never seen that early model, it looks built like a tank.

Andrettski

In case anyone's interested. sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore has the TP9SA FDE $419, burnt bronze $449 and the SFX for $549, $649 with red dot in stock as of 12-20-20. I hope they make more of them in alpine white so I can pair it with my white Kriss Vector for some snow maneuvers.

Cheesewell

I super carry the LCPII in a pocket paddle holster, front right pocket, with two extra mags, 6 round and an extended 8 rounder, for a total 21 round count. This is my main EDC, basically all the time unless, I go to the city where my probability level is higher. Then it turns into back up and I IWB my Glock 26 in the winter and the Glock 43 in the summer, those seem to be my main "go to" carry pistols. A lot of people give the .380 flack, but I know I can hit with it, and the LCPII is very reliable.

James A. Goins

If the Hellcat and the Shield had a baby out of wedlock in south Alabama and were also cousins... introducing the Honor Guard lol

Bluegill097

So I don’t have this gun, but I did break down and buy a Canik recently. TP9SFX with the vortex Viper.... such a sick gun. I never planned on owning one but I was confident in my purchase because Nutn raved about the Canik line 3-4 years ago. Stoked is an understatement

Kenneth Herrera

Hey Nutn we need some trench warfare in our lives haha

Billyjoe

When I picked this gun up in the guns store I looked at the guy behind the counter and said damn that’s heavy.

Anthony Schaad

Yea, I remember when those first came out and at the time I had a S&W shield, so it was like ... I’ll pass. And now their are just soo many better options, your review is truthful as always Nutn! Preach Nutn Preach , great stuff!

Chris Marchi

Shield, Shield and did I mention Shield? Love that gun.

Chris Fischer

Would love to see a 43x review. I hate Glocks and carry a 43x daily. Best feel in hand of any gun I have ever held.

Matt P

Agreed seems like an econo shield copy right down to the name. Still have a shield in the rotation I’m planning on freshening up with an apex dcaek some ameriglo sights and extended hyve mag. I don’t think this would compete in a used market. Used g43 , baby glocks etc. are still less than a hundred of what new ones are going for in my area. I’d go ruger ec9 Over this if for a budget gun. As it is no comparison to current 365/ hellcat. 43x with shield mags etc. Those guns are in totally different price range those imo.

Tacticaldoodle

I think it can come a long way forward if they revise it to better compete with those newer platforms. I'm interested to see how people try to unseat the P365 from the throne.

Tacticaldoodle

If we see one for cheap we'll review it then, every new one I've seen has been cooler than the last... pity the secret's out. Some of the prices in here even pre-inflation were getting pretty high. That burnt bronze competition model is tempting....you'll see them sometime to see how it's evolved.

Matt P

Hellcat is the first and it’s a great design. Not gonna hold my breath for something from Glock. But seeing what other major manufacturers can offer to compete with is exciting. I remember 15 /16 years ago when the kahr pm9 was alone in the field of single stack 9’s. People were clamoring for Glock or sig or S&w to release a single stack. Now with guns with the same capacity as a g19 in guns those sizes it really is a testament of r&d , engineering and manufacturing.

Cyborg009

HK P30 SKS and P2000 SKS both are competitive with the 365, as of course the venerable Glock 26 (which I have employed on and off for years). I don't see the SIG P365 as all that innovative, but I am going to get either a P365 or a P30 SKS with a manual safety as soon as I can lay my hands on either.

Matt P

On paper the guns are similar. Its about a 6oz difference between the p30sk and the 365 though. Thats signifigant carrying all day. In 9 the 365 is still extremely shootable. My 365xl carries almost as many rds as my g19 (15 in reload and when I put it in the nightstand)and is the same weight and only a little longer than my shield. The sig is innovative in that it's forcing manufacturers to squeeze more rounds into guns thinner than subcompact(g26, p2000sk, xd sub) and the same size as single stacks . Put a g43 next to the 365. That was what the gun was built to compete with. Very similar size, yet 4 more rounds. All this benefits us the consumer.

TenaciousAmerican

Interesting, HD rode a wave. PPS g1 strong in my rotation, chosen over Glock 43. Own Glocks but are not preferred.