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138 - Postgame ft. Ben Burgis & Joshua Kahn Russell (Patreon)

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 We take a moment to appreciate Karl Marx on his birthday, Ben Burgis (@BenBurgis) breaks down his recent debate & shows how Joe Rogan destroyed Dan Crenshaw. Joshua Kahn Russell joins us to talk about the Moore film and for Rebel Music History.  

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Danny Heim

I'l be watching your ass on this next week Michael, love ya brother.

Danny Heim

A structure for a world view would be to ask our species,"Can we do what we are doing now a thousand years from now?" If we can't, then we gotta do something else and do it now.

Sith

Any videos with English Subs of Lula's May Day Address or at least an english transcript elsewhere??

DFC

I appreciate the Eluveitie tip. I’ve never fancied “Metal” music, but the 2 songs I’ve listened to so far are highly intriguing, particularly from my perspective as a fan of various forms of bagpiping and the hurdy-gurdy music found within various European cultures. I am reminded of and highly recommend the Swedish-Finnish group HEDNINGARNA and their “Kaksi” and “Tra” albums especially, from the mid-late 1990s.

Paul Lebow

A pox on both their houses! Anytime someone begins a discussion with the dismissive phrase, "its been thoroughly debunked" - its a conversation ender. Moore revealed the fact that the environmental movement is just as susceptible to loss of focus as any big business. McKibben is very problematic and I feel sorry for Joshua for his personal connection. The anti-animal agriculture environmentalists refer to 'Fibbin Bill McKibben' in his assiduous denial of the overriding impact of livestock on climate change. I want Joshua to "debunk" the notion that our dire situation is self-inflicted. Its not a matter of population control but SELF control. Joshua's faith and fascination with a technological solution is disappointing. Its not an unfair charge that life cycle costs and effects are rarely discussed. While I didn't like the movie due to its avoidance of the same issues that McKibben avoids - it is provocative in a very useful way.

Paul Lebow

I question the false equivalence of Moore and McKibben. Moore might be controversial but McKibben's decision to ignore the major cause of climate change because its inconvenient to him, is egregious.

NYCM&AHole

Always gotta play Lula without summarizing what he’s saying so I have to deal with video

Joshua Kahn Russell
>>36504148

Ok, few responses: 1. Moore didn’t “reveal” anything. In the climate justice movement we have been critiquing & fighting Green Capital and the “Big Greens” for decades. EDF, NRDC, Sierra Club etc have been our opponents in this fight. Those of us who come out of these movements are not saying those groups shouldn’t be critiqued, we’re saying that the movie is sloppy in it’s critique and leads people down the wrong path. So far, the people defending the movie seem to think that these critiques are original. I’m saying they are stale. I wrote a booklet about it 9 years ago called Organizing Cools The Planet if you’re curious. 2. Im not sure what you’re referring to about Bill and the livestock stuff. The only thing I’ve seen that’s related, is him being “cancelled” by hysterical vegans who think that anyone who eats dairy is evil. But Im not defending everything Bill does - I disagree with him on a LOT. Working w him is a fucking headache! I am saying that this movie’s depiction of him is wrong and has toxic consequences 3. No idea why you think I have faith and fascination w technology, if anything im too much of an apocalyptic luddite and am trying to have a more open mind to tech because I’ve been opposed to “tech fix” mindsets my whole life. 4. Dunno what you‘re asking me to debunk w the “self-inflicted” stuff

Joel Solow

Thanks Joshua for articulating the frustration I know I've felt about the movie. As a long time comradely critic of many of the dynamics of the climate movement, it is so disappointing to see potentially generative conflict degenerate into destructive, divisive pseudo-discourse, and ultimately disorganization. Among other things, it is disappointing because I have such higher expectations of Moore, and wish he'd internalized the most important development in the climate movement of recent decades: commitment to deeper solidarity.

Alexander Schweinsberg

It's unfortunate that Planet of the Humans was so poorly done when the issue it takes up is so crucial. If you're going to devote time to it in next week's show it would be worth going over the book by one of the interviewees featured int he film, Richard Heinberg of the Post Carbon Institute (full text online): https://ourrenewablefuture.org/