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143 - The ABCs of Capitalism & Strategy for Socialism's Future ft. Vivek Chibber (Patreon)

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Notes on the uprising and how we move forward. 

Vivek Chibber joins us to break down the ABC’s of capitalism and what socialism’s future might look like. 

During the GEM, David breaks down how COVID has affected the shipping industry and kept sailors trapped on their boats.

Comments

Omri Goldshtrom

Bring back Vivek! Cuts through with a lucid voice. Great interview, Michael!

Matthew Born

ABC’s of capitalism? Always be crashin’?

Danny Heim

Yeah ok lookie here there though. Yeah I listen to the whole show there. Yeah good show there but lookie here, you are missing some points, see. Now Michael you said about get'n out there and think'n the vast knowledge available can tell you much but then it's all quite simple anyway. Yeah see there it is. See we compare classes yet we're all pretty much the same, we're all consumers, every freak'n one of us. We don't know how much of that we are. It's just about all we are. We tout love and compassion but we are much more concerned about our paycheck and what it' gonna buy. I'm a homesteader and live very poor, yet this analysis I'm giving to you applies as much to me as it does the Clinton's. In short, we need a very quick and abrupt evolution of mind.

Sela Lewis

Yeah, I can't eff with this guest. He says that many people in America who are socialists are also middle class across race. A. Phillip Randolph was never a middle class man. Because of his political activism, he rarely had stable work. It was his wife, who owned a hair salon, that allowed Randolph to continue his work in organizing working class African Americans. And his preoccupation with the presumed interests of middle class socialists is willfully ignorant. He is willing to ignore the possibility that many socialists (including myself) have been poor often than they have been middle class. I have been poor almost half as long as I have been middle class. Millions of people experience poverty throughout their lives in this country. Yes, we discourage a social language around it. But people still experience it. We bring those experiences into our socialist politics. This is not just some play time for the petite bourgeoise. And the more I think about it, Bernie Sanders lost a primary. But to see him nearly upend the Democratic Party twice is huge win.

EarthQuaeck

Great episode guys. Maybe an segment on your favourite leftist movies and fiction would be cool?

will h

Dismissing identity politics as the material interests of an insurgent middle class of "graduate students" is the kind of erudite non-nuanced inter-academic squabblia that reinserts a masculinized mode of intentionality into The Movement every day. Vivek is clearly a wonderfully incisive and clear voice, but this particular take honestly just seems reactionary.