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DBZ Episode 185!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Patreon)

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2022-10-28 16:46:28
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Viper

SSJ1 is a 50x Multiplier to whatever their base power is. SSJ2 is 100x.

Randy Mukadi

One of my fav episodes of all time

Joe Martinez

7 cell jr but I counted 8 being killed… someone on YouTube made a video on how 1 cell jr survived? Makes no sense

Antwan Mcclung

The difference is a ssj at FP cant beat a heavily suppressed ssj2

HauntedDoll_Annabelle

Super Saiyan 2 is either 1 or 2 super saiyan transformation up from a super saiyan 1. Not that powerful. even Super Saiyan 3 is weak. Not indestructible.

Bloomidge

I'm almost positive that the multipliers are as such; Ssj = x100, Ssj 2 = x10 from Ssj. (x1,000 base)

Ibbi G

POOGGGGGGCHAMMMPPP

Ian

Watching in calc class

pure vapor

Just in time for my wake and bake. Thanks guys. Ur the hands down best reactors to dbz on youtube

Caspar

I'm so ready to see Gohan beat the s%$# outta Cell

DBZ Petty Fanatic

in my Bruce Buffer voice: ITSSSSSSSSSS TIMEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reo Bae

Can’t wait to see Madison’s reaction to Gohan’s full ssj2 transformation and his demolition of the cell Jr.s

jsmoove_11

Ssj2 gohan in Cell sags is one of the best character in dbz

ShadowSlayer5000

Chi Chi is so damn annoying and how is he gonna be a hooligan he can still go to school and be strong

DBZ Petty Fanatic

im so glad that madison can understand that chichi priorities are so far out of wack that it dont make sense lol... As much as she wants gohan to be a scholar and all..that cant happen if Goku and the boys dont save the earth...i just never understood how she didn't get this

Paul Seitz

Everyone gangsta until Gohan’s forehead starts bleeding!

Damir Zeric

SSJ1 is 50x base, SSJ2 is 100x base or twice the power of SSJ1

Rekway

I believe I've seen it stated before that Trunks' super saiyan 1 (grade 3) form pretty much matches the strength of SSJ2 but is even slower than BASE form super saiyan, which makes the strength boost meaningless against an opponent of Cell's level. This is why Trunks and Vegeta were able to get meaningful hits in on Perfect Cell early on before the speed difference caught up to them. Correct me if this is wrong.

Robbie Pedota

Ok so I was wondering if Madison caught how many cell jrs were actually killed. The show showed 8 had been killed but originally there were 7. Was wondering if anyone else caught that. Madison I think realized that 3 were killed and there was “4” left but then cell said let’s see how you do against all 5. If they had left it at 7, then the best part of the episode wouldn’t have happened so I’m glad they messed it up lol

London Celt

Incredible, a strong contender along with 120 for the best episode of the show. Still some unbelievable moments to come as well!

Rekway
>>94485278

Yep it's true he kills 8 Cell Jrs lol, 3 before the music kicks in and then 5 after lolol. Gohan is so pissed off that he manifested another Cell Jr into reality just so he could kill one more xD

Caspar

Another foreshadowing for Gohan vs. Cell is back in the first episode where we see Perfect Cell. Half of the episode is actually focused inside the time chamber showing Gohan reach SSJ1 for the first time.

Lawrence Telfer

Gohan been a super sayian for like 10 days and he surpassed Vegeta. RIP

Leon Nolan

The madlad actually did it. I did not expect this. Does not elaborate.

Juan L

🔥🔥🔥😎

BarisTeeAnime
>>94485278

I didn’t mention it at all to her so we can live the beauty of the moment! I honestly wish he killed more lol!!

CountChopulla

So SSJ is a 50x multiplier of your base form and SSJ 2 is a 100x multiplier. So about twice as strong.

Jon
>>94485124

well you cant be wrong or right, its subjective

Joey Torres

The SSJ forms multiply the power of their base forms, but it doesn't exactly always make sense. Ssj 1 is supposed to be 50x base power level, but with the grades and the full power (grade 4 where goku is) it seems to vary. Ssj 2 is supposed to be 100x base and ssj 3 is supposed to be 400x base. Personally, I think it would've made more sense for ssj1 to start at 50x, but move up to about 100x at full power and for ssj 2 to start at 200x base. But, I'm pretty sure the official states what I mentioned first

Rekway
>>94485124

I can be, it all depends on whether that was stated in official media or if it was headcanon from somewhere.

Peter Fowler

Much appreciated Baris, have a good weekend

Nando Pants

Gohan saying "pass these around, Trunks!" while not looking away from Cell always gives me the chills! He's so badass

Andeh X

All the forms (including great ape and kaioken) are basically power multipliers, that multiply the base form power. Great ape is 10x base, Kaioken is whatever the users body can handle (Goku has only been able to push it to 20x). The original Super Saiyan form is 50x and Gohan's new Super Saiyan 2 is 100x. It's worth noting that Vegeta's "ascended" form, was only 60x, and Trunks' super buff form was 75x. Goku's "full power" form that he fights Cell in, is 80x, which is almost on par with Cell. So Gohan is by far the strongest right now.

Dieter Casier

Super Saiyan is a 50x multiplier over base form, SSJ2 is 2x on top of that (so 100x), and SSJ3 is 4x on top of that (so 400x) So right now, Gohan is at least twice as strong as Goku This is from the Daizenshuu, the official guide, and is canon Edit: The Great Ape we saw earlier is a 10x multiplier over base form

Robbie Medica
>>94487256

It's definitely portrayed that Gohan is more than twice as powerful now, especially with statements that come later regarding SPC. Some theorize that Gohan had a rage boost increase in his base power as well as the reason why, but likely at the time Toriyama just thought of it as more than 2x. Tbh it's all a bit messed up with the grade 2 grade 3 and mssj numbers, which is why it's silly when people say Super's scaling is the only one thats bad.

Yami Azrael

Great episode and reaction. To note the SSj2 (Aka Grade 5) Multiplier it is 100x Base compared to SSj1's 50x. Its worth noting tho that Gohan here doesnt just get that boost. Its also combined with his rage boost, which if you compare his previous rage boosts (ie his fight with Freeza) you can figure that Gohan's rage is a 3-4x boost. In short, Gohan's around 3-400x base here. Goku and Gohan's SSj Full Power form (aka Grade 4) is still 50x, but their base forms are so much stronger due to being in such a high powered state for a long period of time. Grade 2 (Vegeta) and Grade 3 (Trunks) hasn't officially been stated but there's a Spanish guide that says Grade 3 Trunks is 10x stronger than Grade 2 vegeta. In terms of Multipliers Grade 2 and 3 probably have the biggest, but Goku and Gohan's base forms are so much higher than Vegeta and Trunks due to a byproduct of growing accustomed to SSj1

Mr187Dag .

Theres one question that just popped up in my mind. Why didn´t Gohan unleash his powers in Trunks`s future?

MyNamesTaken
>>94489130

Well think about it. Future Gohan wasn't trained by his father, didn't get the pain of loss speech, didn't become a super saiyan at such a young age, didn't watch his friends get beat in front of him, and didn't have 16 tell him its okay to let that power out and protect what he cares about. I just feel like it's a different mentality completely. When Gohan fights on his on in defense of himself, he doesn't fight to his potential. But when he's trying to save something, he does. I. The future, everyone's already dead, so Gohan is fighting for revenge and himself. I think that's less meaningful than fighting to save what's still there in front of you.

Mr187Dag .
>>94489130

Nice answer man. Didn´t think about it that way. All i thought was, he must have had it in him but with your explanation it´s clear that he were never able to figure how to get it out. Nor even knew he had it in him. Goku opened his eyes in this timeline

braaap

it's very hard to pick a specific episode, but this is easily a contender for my all time favourite DBZ episode!

UnknownisMid

WWOOOOOOO Baris really putting out

Indy Singh

SSJ2 is stated to be twice as strong as full power SSJ1....so essentially Full power SSJ1 x 2

Jyrone Reyes
>>94487256

I agree! It's hard to narrow down for sure but I take into account that gohan was already stronger than goku maybe about 1.35 times stronger, plus the 100x base from the ss2 form, and then the rage boost of somewhere between 2 or 2.5 times. I got the rage boost number from when kid gohan attacked nappa. I would say gohan power scaling wise is over a billion power level. Meaning he can destroy a solar system 😆. Mind blowing 🤯

Asian Sticker

Just know that he can whip cell and all the z fighters by himself

Cryptic

LFG!! 🔥🪙💛

Enrique Pena

Let’s freaking go!! 😎🦾🔥🔥🔥

Rekway

Is this reaction series going to end after Cell arc? Or is it going to go...even...further....BEYOND?

Penificent
>>94488314

The last 3 numbers you put for ssj grade 2 3 and 4 is head cannon dude 😭

Penificent
>>94489130

The rage boost is probably what turned him Ssj in the first place to be fair

Saiyan

I read up on it the other day, SSJ2 is a 100x base multiplier, but doesn't apply to gohan since his is a special form. Technically according to toryama with his hidden potential he's the strongest (unfused) character in Z (overall throughout the show). Over here he's slightly less strong than SSJ2 magin vegeta and goku 8 years down the road. Basically, inthe Buu saga they're still talking about his strength nearly a decade ago. Theres not point in coming up with levels but hes basically way stronger than just a 2x SSJ1 multiplier...idk maybe 5-10x? (his character is plot armor to an extent like one punch man, untapped limitless power). It has spoilers so wouldn't show it to madison, but this guy is the most credible source of DBZ information he does a whole episode on it with manga references and orginal version as references to back up https://youtu.be/3facXe9sE_g

Rekway
>>94495015

Isn't that Toriyama comment referring to Mystic Gohan in the Buu saga? I don't think it says anywhere that Gohan's SSJ2 is different, just that his hidden power helped him tap into it first.

Odin Von Oslo

side fact: It is not clear whether 16 was revived or not when the rest of Cell's victims were resurrected with the Dragon Balls. Even though Android 16 was purely made of technology (Unlike Androids 17 and 18, who were part human), characters like Arale Norimaki and Android 8 (who are also purely mechanical) were also revived when the Earth was restored following the battle with Kid Buu.

Odin Von Oslo
>>94495015

yeah what Rek says and also he still has more power hidden, but the power now in the ssj2 is 100x

Saiyan
>>94488832

Toriyama when interviewed straight up says that Gohan is the strongest unfused character in the show. Its plot armor too basically but in the DBZ universe he's basically an untapped seive of power. Its also not head cannon, the entire show over 200 episodes (when they tracked power levels) basically shows gohan (even in the first 5 episodes vs raditz) go from a power level of 5 to 1300+....

Saiyan
>>94485124

no trunks Grade 3 is much weakner, goku when he fought cell was stronger hgeekdom does a whole episode on it with manga references on youtube

The 2 Time
>>94493964

HAHA I see what you did there! "Sorry that took so much longer than others."

Saiyan
>>94495015

correct. Using the elder kai was the way to get it out just by sitting down and not doing anything, but that's the plot armor...he became weaker in the Buu saga to a fraction of him right now and was able to magically become the strongest character in all of Z. He has limitless potential, that was tapped into here (again you know how this saga ends and what goku asks "to bring out more power"). That video above explains it really well

JV
>>94495015

I think during Majin Vegeta and Goku's battle, they were both on par with teen Gohan SSJ2. Gohan's rage is what is unique to him because he is a pacifist at heart, unlike pure blood saiyans who thirst for battle. Just my take tho.

Psi47

BTW Baris/Madison, all the saiyans DO have Ascended Super Saiyan forms. Super Vegeta is officially Grade 2 Super Saiyan. Trunk's Buff Form is officially Grade 3 Super Saiyan. Meanwhile Goku & Gohan's Super Saiyan form (characterized by the bleach blonde hair and complete mastery) is officially Grade 4 Super Saiyan. But Gohan is the first to receive Super Saiyan 2, which is beyond even a Grade 4.

Nuova

Gohans theme song is the one where he walks up to Super Buu, and Gohan is not in beginner SSJ2 by measuring he would be like 6/10 complete and in buu saga goku/vegeta are at the toppest form of ssj2

Deamonfox

This was like the superbowl of DBZ for me Gohan was my favorite character from the moment he was introduced. Only issue i had with the episode that most people miss, when cell says lets just see how he does against all 5 of them gohan killed 6 after that. the one kicked through the mountains was number 6 lol.

Interested Goku

The next episode contains my #1 moment of all time in DBZ history, Gohan's first punch

Darren Metts

Bro when she said “snatch those “ it all happens so fast I didn’t even have time to think to myself “lol just wait “ it just happened her reaction to that was so priceless ok I’m going to rewind now lol

Ogre328
>>94485278

I always wondered if this was a 100% oversight or if perhaps they had multiple planned ideas for how Gohan would defeat the Jrs and perhaps accidentally put in an idea intended to be cut? Has anyone here read the DBZ manga? is the mistake there as well?

Ogre328

I used to watch the scene where Gohan destroys the last of the Jrs over and over. I loved seeing Madison rock out to that theme. Faulconer track is absolutely BiS.

Caspar

I might be totally wrong with this but, especially after the introduction of DBS, I started thinking of Saiyan's as having different branches of evolution 1st Branch - Base --> SSJ1 --> Ascended Saiyan --> Further Ascended Saiyan 2nd Branch - Base --> SSJ1 --> SSJ2 --> SSJ3 3rd Branch - Base --> SSG red --> Blue So, at first Vegeta, Trunks, and Goku discovered how to transform through branch 1. And of course, as we all know Gohan is the first to properly reach SSJ2

Diquan Peterson

This Makes More Excited For The Bojack Reaction!!

Jaehwa Jeong

Am I the only one who couldn't stand Chichi in this episode? She had the audacity to literally kick her father out of her house just for giving her constructive criticism. The nerve to treat her dad like that, is she a narcissist?🤦‍♂️She has to realize that Gohan can't be babied forever and she needs to start respecting what Gohan wants to do. She's so in denial.

Shen

Ive been waiting so long for her reaction! This eps is gold!!! One of the top 3 eps in anime history if not the best. Shivers everytime i watch this episode. No words..

Stephen Sturges

next 2 episodes are gonna be awesome when cell starts throwing everything but the kitchen sink at gohan

Robbie Pedota
>>94485278

Yes and I’m glad you didn’t mention it. I wish he killed like 20 lmao or at least 10. Ss2 gohan is my fav character of all time so rewatching this with the Bruce faulconer track (it’s the only way to watch for me) just gave me chills all over. Can’t wait for 186 on Sunday. Love youz two! ❤️

Galen

I read somewhere that Gohans power level is 1,800,000,000 at super saiyan 2, goku full power super saiyan is 880,000,000, and cell is 900,000,000. Meaning Gohan is roughly twice as strong as goku and cell as ssj2 and also meaning cell is stronger than goku, but by a small margin

Luke8694

It really just hit me how that Cell Jr only had enough time to almost turn around before Gohan took his head 😮 Also love the lightning that comes with SSJ 2 Can't wait for Cell to be afraid of Gohan now 😎

Luke Price

Only a couple episodes left till the saddest episode.

Rich Lucas

another example of foreshadowing is just after they come out of the time chamber and go to Korin. There when goku powers up to half and everything is being blown away, all the z fighters are amazed, but Gohan doesn't move an inch and is giviing his dad a look of "is that all?".

Mike Courtney

I absolutely love watching this again through both of your eyes! These two episodes, 20+ years ago, are when I went from liking DBZ to loving DBZ

Bxking1124

We smoking on that cell jr pack

THE DarksaiyanLORD

One of my favorite episode endings. The commentators lines were epic

Josh

Super Saiyan 2 is twice as strong as max potential super saiyan 1. Super saiyan 1 is 50x base power and super saiyan 2 is 100x

Aaron Anderson

Interesting thing about this episode, outside of it being awesome, is that he actually kills 8 Cell Jrs. If you watch when he is down to 4 he ends up killing an extra.

Marcus Ballantyne

This arc basically alludes to Super Saiyan 2. Everyone feels there's something beyond Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2 is the climax. The forms from SSJ1 to SSJ2 are called grades. Standard Super Saiyan is Grade 1 (SSJ1 Goku), Grade 2 (Vegeta's "Ascended" Super Saiyan form), Grade 3 (Trunks' buff ascended form when he fought Cell), Grade 4 (Super Saiyan Full Power) or Mastered Super Saiyan (Goku and Gohan when they left the Hyperbolic Time Chamber), and finally, Grade 5 (Gohan currently) or commonly and more popularly known as Super Saiyan 2.

Aaron Anderson
>>94517369

But at that time Gohan is still comparing his power to his fathers as a measuring stick. In his mind he felt he could never pass him so he looks at his dad as an unattainable goal.

Legend1689
>>94539255

No, Marcus is absolutely correct.. All of the above explanation is 100% accurate

Leronn Dorsey

Super sayian 2 is a 100x multiplier to the base strength. So super sayian is a 50x multiple and it is doubled

Robbie Medica
>>94489130

Imagine how weak Gohan would be right now if after getting back from Namek, he didn't train for 3 years or go to the time chamber.

RedSnorlax

Vegeta and trunks looking like they saw a ghost

Todd Williams

Super Saiyan max is what Goku reached , Vegeta & Trunks is slightly above regular SS form . Then theirs Gohan who’s above SS max form SS2

Joey

Gohan just 1 shotting the Cell Jrs was just incredible. The first time I saw Gohan go SSJ2 it was literally unreal to me that he could even do that.

Przemek Widera

You can do something like this... SSJ multiplies the power 50 times your base power SSJ2 multiplies x150 your base power. So if you are stronger in your base form your ssj2 could be more powerful from the other ssj2.

John Campbell

Seeing the original z dub compared to Kai which I just got done watching again. Chi chi is way more reasonable in Kai man she’s crazy in the original episode 😂😂😂

Esteban Ramirez

The narrator ending lines in 184 and 185 are both so amazing! Awesome reaction!

Deamonfox

Where did you find the remix of Gohans theme you used at the beginning of this video?