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DBS Reaction Ep. 42 (Tier 2 + Exclusive) (Patreon)

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John Ware

“Monaka” time 😂

Drew

Honestly I love these episodes I even more than Ariana grande trying to seduce Gohan filler

Childishsloth416

These filler episodes are kinda a guilty pleasure for me, except for knock off vegeta ofc

Anthony Cross

Get used to this Goku. In a lot of Dragonball Super Goku is better known as Clownku

David

You had one job, Yamcha. One. Job.

DBKHD

Goku is not dumbed down. That's just who he is. If you recalled the Driver's License episode....

Jorge

Honestly I wanted Beerus to Hakai Yamaha

Frank

Four more episodes till the big revel 🔥

Justin Leach

I mean technically they changed Goku in dbz from DragonBall. In Super, they're going back to his original personality.

BarisTeeAnime
>>114842578

He's always been a goofball. Also the driving episode was filler like this one. Cannon to cannon, he's been dumbed down. That's my take on it! We can agree to disagree :)

BarisTeeAnime
>>114845728

We expect it to change from DB to DBZ because he becomes older, more experienced, and slightly more mature :)

Cameron T

I like chicken nuggets. Are Mcdonalds nuggies really better than Burger King nuggies?

Littlepip
>>114845728

I agree so much with this! I guess it’s just a cultural thing. Toriyama did indeed want Goku to be more like his naive self especially in Super. He stated that, that “innocence” will always be an important part of his character. Since Goku is based off of the Chinese Sun Wukong character who is ageless and basically, eternally childish. I suppose Goku was always intended to share the same fate..

Lethal Mitch
>>114842578

He’s definitely dumbed down. There’s a lot of things from Z that he has forgotten.

CountChopulla

They wanted to go back to DB Goku but went way too far.

Troinell

I feel like monaka was pointless! Goku nor vegeta doesn't need motivation to keep getting stronger, they've been their own motivator for that since the start of og dragon ball and vegeta since he was a kid

Robbie Medica

Can a single person, just one person, give me some examples of Goku being intelligent in filler/comedy in Dragon Ball or Dragon Ball Z? Or are y'all just comparing gag carefree not needing to use his brain Goku to serious high stakes battle Goku? Because he still exists in Super, we literally just saw it against Hit.

Robbie Medica
>>114845728

Goku has and always has had two personalities. His carefree, brain turned off self, and his high stakes, serious, thinking self. The thing that makes Z different and why people seem to think Goku has changed is that Z was almost always high stakes.

Robbie Medica
>>114845728

Yeah well in Super he is back alive after spending 7 years dead and having not a care or responsibility in the world. Since coming back alive, it seems like it just reaffirmed that his sole purpose is to become stronger and have fun against stronger opponents and he doesn't care about much else.

DBKHD
>>114849751

His personality has always been innocence first and foremost. He has always been carefree until a high stake comes.

Jake_Ezekiel
>>114842578

He's been dumbed down.... because of a certain reason that isn't coming to me right now... but I know there's a reason behind this..

Troinell

Can't wait for black Wednesday next week lol

Victor
>>114849602

Goku has always been stronger than vegeta tho, vegeta uses goku as a motivator because he’s stronger than him so he wants to surpass him. He wants to be #1. Goku has always used vegeta as a trainee but the stronger foes he faces push him beyond what he’s trained for. Frieza pushed him to super sayian, beerus pushed him to super sayian god, hit pushed him to kiaoken super sayian blue, jiren pushed him to ultra instinct etc. goku has always been motivated by stronger opponents he faces so he sets them as a new baseline to reach. Knowing there’s someone stronger than goku pushes him to train towards that goal. Everyone knows it’s easier to improve with a goal set than blindly rising to a non existing one. I agree with vegeta but not goku. Goku has always been pushed by new stronger rivals. And after “fighting” monaka he now wants to surapass that which would be a destroyer level with it being beerus so no I don’t think it’s was pointless

SilentCilantro

aww I waited the whole episode to see if you'd say click again at the end. what a bummer

Ichigoat

TBH I think Goku caught on but was just playing along that’s how they made it seem, they’ll usually play off his goofiness for jokes and comedy but he usually is just playing around, especially because he never mentions Monaka later in the series

Majin

What I also miss is Bulma's different hairstyles every other time, especially at parties. Additionally, Chi-chi did wear something different at a party near the end of Z too, here in this party she just looks the same. It all looks so low effort to me. People saying that “the animation looks garbage because it's rushed” has also been debunked, look at how the Wano Arc in One Piece is doing. The animation is phenomenal. They just wanted to milk the Dragon Ball franchise with as minimal effort as possible, and some gullible fans are just proud of this garbanzo, it's insane. They got served a shit cake, and they're proud of the shit cake.

Majin
>>114840146

@Robbie no shit, because Sean is a grown up man, imagine telling a grown up man to act like a 6-year-old.

Majin
>>114842578

Definitely has been dumbed down. You're just delusional bud, I don't know what to tell ya.

BarisTeeAnime
>>114861244

I'm not sure what this is in reference to but fun fact: before I begin the reaction, I say "Click" out loud which helps us line our video up with the anime :D

SilentCilantro
>>114861244

At the end of episode 41 you can be heard saying "click"just as the video ends, at least i heard it. Thought it was gonna be a catchphrase to end videos

Eric M Brown

Saying Goku would lose his motivation to train is absurd. He has Beerus and Whis to strive for, same with Champa and Vados. Goku traIns all the time he was the one who came up with the whole 3 years in the time chamber thing. ------- Plus he's so motivated that even after he died he acheived both Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 3 even when he would not have any enemies for the foreseeable future.

Brett Burrows
>>114866434

It was rushed though. It's well known that Toei was surprised by the success of Battle of Gods and Resurrection F so they rushed the Super series into production. That's why the later episodes of Super (especially in the Tournament of Power) look miles better than the early episodes. Any anime without a sufficient amount of pre-production to work the kinks out is going to suffer from quality issues. Once the Teams working on Super were able to get into a groove the quality skyrocketed. The Teams working on One Piece have had like 24 years to get into their groove, and One Piece also has the luxury of having a manga to adapt from. Obviously, you can have your opinions about Super, my only point is that your One Piece comparison makes a pretty disingenuous argument.

Eric M Brown

*Sigh* this episode makes Goku look beyond stupid and it also makes Beerus look so dumb. Why wasn't he just going to chop Goku out cold. Why would Goku fight someone who he thinks is able to beat Hit in just his Base form? None of this makes any damn sense.

SAMEERA HANIF
>>114849751

If we're looking at Goku and Chi Chi from Akira's perspective, they are both uneducated country bumpkins. That's why Chi Chi is so obsessed with education and money. She believes that's what gives you status and importance. I could also never see Goku and Chi Chi having any sort of intimate conversation. Also when Goku was bargaining with elder Kai for the 'kiss' the Japanese version was he'll show him some 'pictures' of Bulma's assets. I also do love Dbz Goku but realistically the dub was responsible for creating a superman persona and changed like 70% of his dialogue. He was serious because they were always fighting for their lives. In super it's mostly chilled. If you watch dbz sub, the actor's delivery/dialogues is way more similar to Dbs Goku.

Eric M Brown
>>114842578

The driver's liscense episode had him be un-skilled in driving which is completely different from being such a gullible loon that he can't even tell that it's a costume when the head his spinning around, Beerus' hand is coming out (Both of them) his tail is coming out and then when Beerus says "I wore this costume for nothing he STILL didn't get it. ---- Goku has always been smart during fighting and his battle IQ has gone down so much that he can't even detect such a simple ruse in a combat scenario.

Alex Noel
>>114849751

you literally said it in your explanation you said back when he was bargaining with elder kai for the “kiss” that’s exactly the point Goku should already know what a kiss is whether anyone wants to believe it or not gokus character was dumbed down and the way they developed his character from DB to DBZ was done well imo at least in the dub since everyone’s saying the sub is similar to dbs

KingSterl
>>114849751

In the dub of dbz we grew up on goku and chi chi supposedly kissed when he awoke after the heart virus, In the japanese version there is no kissing sound implying it might have just been a hug. And besides that scene I personally dont remember there being even a reference to them kissing before.

Kab
>>114861547

I didn’t even think about that but it makes sense

Antoine Jones

As far as "Dragonball Super makes Goku stupid" Umm goku has ALWAYS been an idiot. You just dont see it as much in Z because 98% of that is Goku doing the one thing he IS good at. Hes rarely taken out of his element or put into situations where you will see that he barely has the mental capacity of a 10 year old. Whereas Super shows him outside of fights and in a normal environment MUCH more often and we see he can barely function. Goku has done PLENTY of stupid things before Super, not knowing girls and boy had different "parts" and when he finally did learn that, the things he'd do to "check" if someone was a boy or a girl, can barely count to 10 (even as an adult... remember in GT when he spoke to Goku Jr and couldnt figure out how many generations he was as Goku Jrs Grandpa), didnt know one of his tournament opponents was Master Roshi because Master Roshi was wearing a (barely convincing) disguise (so yes this aint the first time Goku couldnt see through a disguise), only agreed to marry Chi Chi because he didnt know what marriage was and thought it was something you eat (and by this time he was an adult), being stupid enough to let go of Raditz tail because he promised he'd be good, and I could easily name 20 other instances of Goku being slow (remember when he was learning to drive and they told him to cut the ignition?) Of course i know the Goku Defense Force will argue "most of those instances were when he was a kid of course he didnt know better" which I would agree except for the fact that while its expected that kids wouldnt know things and be a bit dumb, however through proper socialization and education they LEARN better and develop, problem with Goku is he never got that education (never went to school) or Socialization (the few people he DOES know just let him train 24/7 and dint try to help him socialize and develop), so as an adult hes just as naive as a child, getting older doesn't magically make you smarter or social, theres a process to that and Goku skipped it, even Goten is at LEAST two times smarter than Goku, he wouldn't have fallen for that Beerus in a custom trick, and I bet he already knows what marriage is even at his young age.

Alfreddd

Please tell her to stop gasping in shock every 10 seconds . Drives me nutts 😭

SAMEERA HANIF
>>114849751

I said the dub talked about a kiss.. The original sub was him giving pictures of Bulma. I get it though, I also loved the dub but rewatched the entire sub after that and was quite shocked at the differences. A good example is when Bulma suggested killing Dr Gero, Goku clearly said he wants to fight the androids and agreed with Vegeta. He also said he wants to train to fight stronger opponents.

Corey Quick

Double upload double upload double upload finish fillers this week plz

D3G
>>114892115

Couldn't agree more, I am noticing a lot of Nostalgic Bias in these reactions. Demonizing things in super that literally happened in Z but when it happened in Z its all "ah its so cool" "so funny" but when the same exact thing happens in super its just complained about. Even with the animation, Z had some funky looking shots too, never heard a word about those, but when there is an irrelevant filler episode from super that clearly wouldn't have good animation they wont let us forget it. Super has already shown a much better way of story telling, its much more engaging, the pacing is much better, animation is smoother and gets so much better throughout it. The voice acting and lines are much better, making communication between characters so much less "robotic" than Z was. This is coming from someone who started dragon ball late, no nostalgic bias, I watched Z then Super, and Can confidently say Super blew me away with how much more modern and engaging it was. Z was amazing of course no doubts there. But Super is being overly critiqued for things you could've applied to Z also... but didn't Major nostalgia Bias and I dont think implementing these ideas in a new watchers head is the best experience. I feel if Maddison wasn't told all these horrible things about super before she could even come to her own conclusion on it her opinion would differ a lot. However its expected and I still enjoy the reactions I just wish there was a bit less bias like this. Just let her enjoy it with an open mind :) Just because you dont like it doesn't mean you gotta ruin it for her also.

D3G
>>114898162

You are paying premium to watch reactions... then get angry that she is giving reactions? buddy idk what to tell you.

D3G
>>114880047

Well if you payed any attention to this show, Gokus base is now stronger than his god form was in their first battle (BOG), on top of this Beerus was trying to keep the suit from being destroyed as stated literally in the episode buddy. It makes a lot of sense if you pay attention Eric

Alfreddd
>>114898162

It’s a little much at that times and I’m just letting them know, it’s not that deep. I still love this channel and have enjoyed being on this journey with em

Eric M Brown
>>114880047

I know all of that. It still doesn't make sense Beerus could have just finger flicked Goku like he did in their first encounter. If Beerus is stronger than his SSJ blue form he should be able to flick him out cold. Also it doesn't matter if Gokus base is stronger than his God form against Beerus, if Beerus can beat SSj Blue Goku of this same time period then even Goku going SSJ3 would give him a 400 fold increase and them 2 more transformations? Beerus should be able to walk up to him like he did in the first encounter and finger flick him away.

SilentCilantro
>>114902047

I think you should release 2 half episodes, so that we can get better understanding of each of these episodes

D3G
>>114880047

Beerus has a level of "fun" which is around that god state, which is Gokus base at this point therefore Beerus got carried away having fun at this extreme power level, Yes he could one shot Blue as he did with Vegeta in the manga but still, He would need to power up for that and we know Beerus the lazy cat never powers up. He just got carried away having a fun fight. In my opinion it fits his character perfectly but if you disagree thats fair enough

Mikasa_Axmn
>>114840146

Overall, I prefer Sean wayyyy much than Masako's va, Goku sounds like a retard in the japanese dub

Christian Vazquez
>>114892115

Have you tried watching DBZ Kai? You should try it. Animation is the same but the pacing and voice acting is far superior

Christian Vazquez

I felt like such a fool for wondering where the uploads had been the last few days I only now realized I was a Tier 1 Patron 😭(changed that now tho)

Majin
>>114866434

@Brett it's not disingenuous at all, Toei knows that One Piece is one of their biggest franchises, and it's been airing continuously. Its animation has only gotten better and better, so they can't afford to drop down the animation, it would be too noticeable. The Wano Arc outclasses everything they had before. The only difference is they're outsourcing a lot of their animation sequences and key frames to freelancers all over the world, something they could've done for Dragon Ball Super as well, but they didn't because they don't care. They did outsource it to companies, but not freelancers as Toei does with OP now. Super fans are glad of their shit cake.

Smitty232

Maybe Goku has some brain damage from all his fighting and that’s why they dumbed him down.

Antoine Jones
>>114892115

Yup I've seen Kai and prefer it over Z. Z was fine when I was 16, had less refined taste and action/explosions is all it took to entertain me. Watching someone yell for 5 episodes to power up was fine back then... buy as a 40 year old adult.. Kai is FAR better on that regard

OmenXXG
>>114861547

I agree I think Goku caught on because he never transformed once, he was just messing around so stayed in base

Douglas Murray
>>114892115

@D3G @Antoine Jones I wrote a very long comment on the DBZ vs Super debate that Baris made, and it seems like my opinion was so uncommon that it got ignored completely. Maybe because people were like tl;dr I explained the Goku character, and I don't want to hear Super being so harshly critiqued like this. I get that DBZ is way better as a show. I don't deny it. But the amount of hate for Super is just getting unhealthy. I understand people are entitled to their opinions, but I respect it even more if they could look at it from different perspectives (such as watching the Japanese version for everything). You can have your opinions, but it doesn't count if you are biased.

ArchetypePreston

They went with the dragon ball z abridged version of goku, they must have seen how much people love him there so they went with it. xD

Luke8694

Beerus really paid for his lies this time around lol I feel like telling Goku would be so much easier at this point. Even if you factor out Beerus and Whis in terms of catching up, Goku still wants a rematch with Hit since their battle didn’t have a definitive victor, Goku just surrendered because the Gods were arguing.