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Here is a link to a post with a great overview video covering the some of the major differences between Gen5 and Gen6: https://www.patreon.com/posts/66616382

One of the differences between Gen 5 and Gen6 is how the M3 screws are held in the parts. Gen5 uses captive M3 nuts, whereas Gen6 uses M3 threaded heat press inserts. 

The Gen5's captive M3 nuts has been a huge headache for a large enough minority of users that a change was necessary. I designed the parts to snugly hold the M3 nuts in place. I have used the proper spacing for FDM printing to hold M3 nuts, and for all my setups and most users they do. But, with everyones printers being different and especially extrusion settings being different, many users have had problems setting the M3 nuts into the parts. 

For some the M3 nuts will just fall out,  for other users the slots are too tight.  The use of captive nuts makes assembly much more fiddly and I have received a lot of feedback on this topic.

This is why, as part of the Gen6 design improvements, I have replaced the captive nuts with threaded heat pressed inserts. With the inserts, the Hero Me system is easier to setup and assemble. It is a structurally stronger system and it makes it easier to disassemble for inspection or maintenance. So far, I have had very positive feedback for the switch to threaded inserts. 

Another big difference in Gen6 is the new builtin support for many direct drive extruders that the Gen5 does not have. Gen6 will also have fewer total parts to choose from, yet support all the same (and more) 3D printers. There are a number of other improvements to Gen6 as well, which I will document when all the work is done. 

Please understand that I do not plan to bring the new direct drive support and other improvements back to the Gen5 parts. It is just too much work, and there are more new printer models yet to be supported.

The Gen6 parts do require that you have a soldering iron and are comfortable using it. For those of you who either don't have a soldering iron, or don't want to use threaded inserts, or you just want the STLs to print replacement parts for your existing Gen5 setup, I will be making an archive of all the Gen5 parts and posting that to Thingiverse this weekend. 

For those who want to get any or all of the Hero Me Gen5 parts (with captive M3 nuts), I have created a Thingiverse project archive for HMG5. You can find that here:

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5210744

Let me know if you have any questions.

The PDF of the Hero Me Gen5 parts cross reference and assembly instructions are attached to this post below. NOTE that this version of the PDF is for Generation 5 ONLY.

Andy

Comments

Lee

Andy. I know you are not a fan of radial style fans. But those of us who are a little stubborn, how much work would it be to add radial style mounts, or adaptors -- with included necessary disclaimers?

David Ringwald

I'm thrilled to see the heat set inserts, personally. One question so far: is there a Gen6 base available for the Printer Mods' Modular Direct Drive? Pg 21 of the assembly pdf gives adapters for Gen5 bases but mentions nothing about Gen6 bases. Do we use the regular Gen6 hot end base for our build without any sort of adapter? (So for me, Ender 3 v2 with an OEM hotend: "HMG6 Base OEM-MK8-MS-Spider-BMS-HIC.stl")

Andrew Soderberg

Hi Lee, Did you mean axial fans? All the Hero Me part cooling ducts do support radial fans. I believe there are axial fan duct remixes on Thingiverse. Try scanning through the Hero Me related parts in this collection: https://www.thingiverse.com/mediaman/collections/hero-me-cooling-systems And yes, I am not a 'fan' of axial fans for part cooling, as they do not generate enough static pressure to get proper airflow out of the duct tips to cool the parts.

Lee

Yes; you are correct - I did mean axial fans. I am just in possession of some silent axial fans that I wanted to put to use. I see the adaptors and I've considered them -- but what can I say. Rather get them from the OG designer than someone else :)

Andrew Soderberg

David, The parts listed on page 21 for PrinterMod MDD kit are the DD portion needed to add to an existing Gen5 or Gen6 non-DD base. These DD adapters work with the files found in the folder called HMG5 Bases (which contains several new G6 versions). Depending on which hotend you are using, the Gen6 version of the Hero Me base is one of these: HMG6 Base E3DV6-Revo Six-Spider-BMO.stl, HMG6 Base OEM-MK8-MS-Spider-BMS-HIC.stl, HMG6 Base Mosquito-Dragon-ST-HT.stl

David Ringwald

Andy, thank you: that's clear. The pdf said "for use with the following HMG5 Direct Drive Bases #3, #4, #6, #8, and #9" so I was thrown off a little bit. Thank you for all your hard work on this.

Johann Badescu

As an european patreon, your link to the threaded heat press inserts on amazon.com are not the best shipping option. Do you have further info on possible heights on the inserts? For example, I have found some with a height of 5.7mm, however am not sure whether they'll be too big.

Andrew Soderberg

Thanks. I just spent an hour reviewing some existing ones and seeing if/how I could integrate something rather that design from scratch and I have identified that there are a bunch of constraints that complicate adding 4010 axial fans for part cooling (separate from the performance aspect. So, I will add this to my request to-do list but it will be awhile before I can get to it.

Andrew Soderberg

You want to look for threaded inserts that are M3 with 4.6mm outer diameter (OD), and a length of 4mm or 5mm (4mm length preferred). These are the same inserts that are recommended for Voron builds.

Andrew Soderberg

I am working through and updating the PDF today. I will add more details to that section to make it clearer.

Lee

No worries. If it makes it in one day, great. Otherwise, no biggie :)

Artineo

Good quality heat pressed inserts are great. I like HMG6 update to this inserts

Ian Clarke

Hi, just signed up for the Patreon and I'm very confused - I found HMG6 on thingiverse but where are the instructions for HMG6 - or should I be using Gen5? If so, where are the instructions for Gen5? I have an Ender 3v2 with Microswiss all-metal hot-end and BL-touch ABL.

Zachary Dickinson

I just tried to install the Gen 6 dragon base, and the mounting holes for the hotend align with the non-threaded holes for mounting the v6 adapter. To allow a dragon hotend to be installed you would need holes in the base which align with the 4 threaded holes in the top of the hotend.

Andrew Soderberg

I will answer your question(s) in the next 24 hours. My hard disk crashed on my computer almost a week ago, I got it back from the service center earlier today and have just finished restoring everything from a backup. I have a backlog of questions from patrons over the past week, so I am working through the oldest requests first. Thank you for your patience. Andrew

Conor Duffy

Would love to move to Gen6 for the heatset inserts for exactly the reasons you added the option, but I'm using the WhamBam Mutant v2 atm. Have you any plans to update the Mutant specific files to Gen6, or possibly even fold Mutant support into the main Gen6 package?

Andrew Soderberg

Yes. I have a couple updates to post for the Gen6, then I will be working to update the Hero Me MUTANT to have all the features of the Gen6 (estimated early next week). I will consider folding the Hero Me MUTANT into the Gen6 suite. I didn't do that initially because the Hero Me Bases are so different for the MUTANT (and no Gantry Adapters are needed), I recently added support for the Anycubic Vyper in the Gen6 suite, but used some of the mounting features of the Hero Me MUTANT due to the the unique issues of the Vyper's X carriage. So, now there is less differentiation, it probably makes sense.

Conor Duffy

OK, cool, look forward to that update, keep up the great work, it's very much appreciated!!

Oscar Guillén Mateu

Hi, I just subscribed to build the gen6 into my printer, love how customizable it is! One question though, are m3 nuts still required? I would guess that with the inserts you wouldn't need that many anymore, but it still says ~30 nuts. Also, how many inserts are needed? Can't see that either.

Scott Liput

I am trying to understand which Gen6 parts to use for my ender3 v2 with MicroSwiss Hotend and Direct Drive.

Mannadock

My setup is a MSDD with MS All Metal hot end on an Ender 3 v2. I'm printing my set today, but from what I read you print the parts for the MSDD that's compatible with the Ender 3, that's my understanding from pg. 19 of the documentation. I will update after I try out my new parts

Ed Estioko

Does the heat pressed inserts require that you use the specialty tool? I can find the inserts but here in Canada the kit for both the tools and inserts is quite expensive

Mannadock

So I got mine all set up and tested parts printed: MicroSwiss DD CR-Ender 3 Gantry Clip.stl MicroSwiss DD CR-Ender 3 Gantry Adapter.stl HMG6 Base OEM-MK8-MS-Dragonfly BMS.stl MSDD Only 5015_Dual_Radial_Fans_Dual_Ducts.stl BLTouch_Wing_Standard_Mount.stl BLTouch_Wing_Compact.stl

Maikel

Still dont know what to do with the Gantry clip (Ender 5, BL Touch, Swiss All MEtal, Direct Drive with Bondtech) I think I have all the right files. But the Gantry clip in unclear. Also the Direct Drive montage, but am printing these parts now and hope it becomes clear then.

Maikel

Thanks for that! I am technical but didn’t get that ;-) my old duct is still on so couldn’t see it either.

Maikel

I have printed the required parts, but really dont get how a Bondtech (right) would fit on the "HMG6 DD Base OEM-MK8-MS-BMO - Bondtech BMG" since the hole is 1cm from the back edge, but on the Bondtech BMG is 2.2cm from the back edge. I cant find any pictures of this setup. Please help. It seems to me, it doesnt fit. UPDATE: Trying this now, since its clear it doenst fit. https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4713338

Mäx Rakete

You can use an old soldering iron, but it will be ruined by plastic sticking to it.

Trevor Mayowski

So far working fairly well on my Ender 3V2, however I have two issues. the far right screw on the ender_3_v2_e3d_gantry_adapter, i cant figure out how to install it. It needs to be installed before the hot end assembly is attached but you cant attach the hot end assembly if its already mounted. Also, for the heat press holes, I think they should be slightly smaller to have a little bit more bite. They are holding right now but one does seem a little loose, might have had my soldering iron a bit to hot.

James Cobb

Im putting together a Voron 0.1 and doing the heat inserts and loving it. Great update and I became a patron because of this update and work put into it. The issue I just noticed I had was the V5 front nut inserts melted and I couldnt slot them back in after I was running fanless ABS setup. 90 C bed heat causes issues with PLA I guess heh

Pedro Venda

I had a look at the documentation and I'm struggling to find compatible m3 threaded inserts in the uk. they're either 4mm OD / 4 or 5mm long or 4.6mm OD but 5.7mm long. any suggestions?

Pedro Venda

I found some on amazon but they're shipping from china and will cost more than the others. So I'll buy the 4.6OD/5.7L ones and sand/file them shorter. I've never installed threaded inserts to will be experimenting a bit.

Andrew Soderberg

Sorry for the delayed reply. UPDATE: I have had comments from others that threaded inserts smaller than the recommended 4.6mm outer diameter may be a loose fit.

Andrew Soderberg

I am sorry for the delayed reply. I have versions of the Hero Me base that Supports the Dragon with the 4 holes to mount it. To give you which part, I need to know if you are using it Bowden style, or if direct drive, which DD extruder are you using?

Conor Duffy

Awesome, will get picking through the HMG6 archive and try get some parts printed tomorrow to test these, will let you know how I fare!

Andrew Soderberg

I will update the PDF with more and updated recommendations on M3 nuts and threaded inserts. 30 threaded inserts will cover most any combination you could put together, Even with threaded inserts there are a few places where M3 nuts are still used, and I would say that 10 would cover any combo (when used with Gen6 parts using threaded inserts).

Andrew Soderberg

Yes that remix/addon is a valid option. for others reading this. Here is the answer I provide Maikel in a direct chat: The mirrored version of the Bondtech BMG extruder is currently supported. The reason is that it is much simpler to design a mounting system for the mirror version as it lines up in both the X and Y plains with the Hero Me Base and any hotend of choice. The standard version of the Bondtech BMG body positioning is very off center compared to the Hero Me base in the Y axis and it is much more complicated to design a stable mount. I am working on a design of the Hero Me base that will support the BMG-M but it is not completed yet. My expectation is that I will have the standard BMG and BMG-M supported by the end of February.

Andrew Soderberg

I am currently working to add a horizontal groove to the side of the Hero Me Base files. What size threaded inserts are you using? The holes in the STLs are designed for threaded inserts that are 4.6mm outer diameter and 4mm long (5mm long is ok), 5mm OD can be done but will push plastic out the back that will need to be cleaned up.

Andrew Soderberg

Yes, while I recommend PETG and silicone socks on the hotend. If printing ABS, then the Hero Me parts need to be ABS.

Conor Duffy

Printed out MUTANT E3DV6-Revo Six-BMO Gantry Adapter + HMG6 DD Base E3DV6-Revo Six-Dragonfly BMO - Orbiter v1.5. Took a little bit of finagling, but it does work: https://imgur.com/a/xzTFy60 However, if you have the hotend installed, it becomes next to impossible to access the two screws on the right hand side of the gantry plate, to secure them to the mutant mobile plate. Think the easiest way to do it was to secure the top right screw through the gantry plate into the mutant, then rotate the plate round so you can access all the holes to attach the base to the gantry plate, then rotate back and fix in your remaining 3 screws through the gantry plate to the mutant. I don't have a BMS anymore to test the other adapter. EDIT: Flipping the gantry adapter 180 makes things more accessible, as 3 of the 4 gantry plate mounting holes are cleanly accessible

Andrew Soderberg

Thanks for the feedback. I am currently modifying all the Hero Me Gen6 Base and DD Base files to provide proper access to the screws (for different gantry adapters) on the right side of the gantry adapter. I could also make the top right screw mount for the MUTANT to use a threaded insert, so that the screw for that mount point is inserted from the back of the MUTANT mobile plate.

Andrew Soderberg

This is the preferred style of threaded insert (with the taper), but depending on which hotend you are using. the 5.7mm length may be too long for the part cooling duct mount points on the sides of the Hero Me Base as they could interfere with the hotend's heat sink. The prepared holes in the parts are 4.15mm in diameter and are designed for M3 4.6mm OD x 4mm length (5mm length is ok).

Andrew Soderberg

The threaded inserts for the Hero Me Gen6 parts (M3 4.6mm OD x 4mm or 5mm length) are the same ones that are recommended for Voron 2.4 builds. So if you can find parts suppliers for Voron hardware builds, you can get most likely the inserts from those sources.

Andrew Soderberg

The threaded inserts for the Hero Me Gen6 parts (M3 4.6mm OD x 4mm or 5mm length) are the same ones that are recommended for Voron 2.4 builds. So if you can find parts suppliers for Voron hardware builds, you can get most likely the inserts from those sources.

Andrew Soderberg

Note that depending on which hotend you are using. M3 inserts longer than 5mm may be too long for the part cooling duct mount points on the sides of the Hero Me Base as they could interfere with the hotend's heat sink.

Trevor Mayowski

Thanks for the reply's, really appreciate it. Maybe I am going a bit hot on my soldering iron when inserting the inserts and caused some over melting.

Conor Duffy

I think threaded inserts and screwing in from the back of the MUTANT mobile plate is probably the most accessible option, that way you can have the gantry plate and base pre-assembled and ready to mount! Let me know if you want me to do any testing, happy to help