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A bit of Honesty, discussion about AI art. (Patreon)

Published:
2023-06-10 21:58:09
Edited:
2023-06-10 22:30:14
Imported:
2026-06

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I have to admit I was really contemplating on posting about this topic, because I have to admit that this past few days I haven't been working on Project EVE: " :( please forgive me", and overall it feels like you're on an impasse to the feeling of its usage as an artist. Being honest, I have used midjourney in the past, via discord just a couple of times to test it out, but I didn't quite like the results + the need to spend money on credits to generate more images.But recently as you know NovelAI/Stable Diffusion's whole system has been leaked, hence the boom of NSFW AI art recently, due to the bypass of the AI's NSFW filters.

Hopefully as we discuss more on this topic we can have a bridge of discussion between both sides, all I ask is for your patience to hear out each side's point, perhaps at the end resulting towards mutual respect.

AI artist's and the flak of being one: - Any art forum online filters their content between "REAL" art and "AI" art, and it has since sparked a hateful sentiment on AI artists, to be fair, I believe in the proper declaration of the categorization on genres. IE. Art made by art generators should be declared as AI art and shouldn't ever be declared as traditional art by means via the artists' own process.

It is inevitable! The assimilation is real!- At this point we are introduced with the "Software=AI," (Chat-GPT, Stable Diffusion, etc) and their use has both good and bad consequences, just using Chat-GPT makes google/googling almost obsolete, and recently with the full use of AI Art generators, makes me think that I as an artist is also doomed for the inevitable. Michio Kaku further explains when "Hardware = Quantum Computers," become available AI will be complete. Security on encryption would be at risk, privacy undone, everything would be "FAKE NEWS!" and alot more dystopian black mirror stuff.

Learn more about this on Joe Rogan x Michio Kaku:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqefo5DwA2I&ab_channel=PowerfulJRE

A designer/artist's POV on using AI Art Generators:

- "I feel like a god using one," not to exaggerate its features, but since I was a child, I dreamt of the power to use my imagination and shape it to reality, hence me being a designer/artist. But by using the generators, you technically have that super power now, here's to the benefit of bettering your vocabulary, since it requires the usage of prompts and some wee bit of programing knowledge.- The Program and its Features: You need a fairly good GPU to use one, at least a minimum of 4GB in VRAM. As you ask. How about the AI Art Generators via online services like midjourney, nightcafe, etc? Those are fine but require a form of subscription via credits, meaning there is a limit not to mention the restricted/filtered words you cannot use. All the while the jailbreaked version has none and you have access to all of its code, to modify, to suit your needs. "COUGH! nsfw stuff. COUGH!"

- Be ready to laugh your ass off or be amazed of the art it produces: I've used it to generate ideas on furniture designs since my work deals with those things you call chairs. Honestly its underwhelming the furnishings generated as it is, is completely impractical to use, but the idea/concept it gives, and cementing that idea into paper is crucial as an artist, I myself have lost track of thousands of ideas that I thought of but didn't write on paper. It gives your imagination fuel but eventually you'll ran out and guess who's dependent on the AI now.

- Here's the JUICY PART, NSFW stuff: Just imagine the things you could do without those pesky filters that limit the prompts, imagine all of those words free for you to use? Chaos and progress, in the span of months, the bootlegged version has better art generations than those that limit their keywords, no surprise there.

- Background: Back in the 2010's, I attended the IDC (International Design Conference) its basically the gathering of all artists, from architects to watercolor enthusiasts, go to this event to discuss art stuff. All goes well and one German speaker who I forgot the name, but lit the whole place on fire spouting nonsense that artist's will be obsolete and AI is the future, Imagine a stadium filed with artists booing and laughing, I am one of those people as well that brushed off that BS. Look who's laughing now.

- I will share in a couple of days the whole installation and workflow of my journey in using AI generators, if you are itching to use it now and can't wait. Refer to this.

https://mrdeepfakes.com/forums/threads/guide-using-stable-diffusion-to-generate-custom-nsfw-images.10289/https://rentry.org/nai-speedrun

IF YOU DONT HAVE A GOOD GPU: But you still want to generate NSFW stuff? Well mage.space has got you covered, it is generally free, though the NSFW requires a monthly subscription, but the catch is the generation is unlimited on the duration of your subscription. I have used the service and the mods are helpful.https://www.mage.space/

FAIR WARNING! IT IS A RABBIT HOLE! It goes on and on like reddit, you won't realize that you've been awake for 16 hours! working on the perfect/just right prompts for you generations.

TO DISCUSS MORE ON THIS PLEASE PM ME  OR  REACH OUT ON THE DISCORD, I will add a channel there to discuss more about AI art.

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Narcoleptic Bunny

Generative Imagery is just another tool in a long line of tools. It still requires human input and adjustment, and until that input is no longer necessary I stand by the notion that it *is* art. Pushing for your own style and creating your own custom dataset to use will always require effort from the user and that should never be discounted. I can understand the hate AI art gets and I agree that clear diffrentiation/categorization is most likely for the best of everyone involved, but I think it's a premature stance to say that AI is just wholesale "bad".

Lightmyfire

I personally am affraid that AI will rip apart society. It feels (to me) like the new nuclear threat that could obliterate everything that has a beating heart. I more and more feel like it is a weapon, not a tool. Don't get me wrong though, I have used it once for a backdrop. But I didn't feel proud of my work when it was finished. Also, I see a lot of people not fixing thier AI generated art so it can be called finished, and then going to sell it anyways. I don't know I just think that it'll mess up society bigtime. I think it'll be very depressing when everything is generated and humans lose a lot of valuable skills.

CrazyChemist

On one hand I find it a thrilling possibility, to have the power of materializing my fantasies at my fingertips. On the other hand, I fear what it means for the future or art, are we heading to a place where AI-generated pictures, books, movies are a norm? Will the artist's role be relegated to creating a prompt for the machine to act upon? At this point what happens to the necessary (as flawed as it currently is) copyright? Should maybe prompts, as the actual source of creative input, be subjected to being copyrighted, rather than what was generated based on them? I hope that human created art remains a thing even if it will have to compete against AI generation. Right now, I think the problem is simply the volume of AI art put out there. There are people uploading dozens of images daily on Deviantart for example, there is no chance a human can compete with that, And for every person who cares about their uploads, selecting only the interesting and properly generated images, there are quite a few of them that just put out eveyrthing the generator pumps out, not even really caring if the image is full grotesque errors and deformities. I think this ought to be adressed somehow, but I fail to come up with an idea specifically how, though maybe something as simple as a limit on daily uploads would do the trick?

Chris Simon

The circle of life. The problem (for many people) is not the AI per se - after all AI is just a tool. Artists used tools from the very beginning and will use them until the end. The problem is scale and ease of use and inevitable flooding of the art sphere with... well... trash. As a "traditional" pencil-and-brush artist I was pretty salty about the advent of Poser and DAZ at the beginning of the century to a point of retiring. Unjustly, I might add. Of course just like I felt that with the arrival of digital art, quantity will win over quality and the art itself will suffer, so the previous generation of painters must have looked at us scribbling pencil smut and feel slight disgust. XD AI is the next step in this unending ordeal. Just like we felt threatened (rightfully so, as it turned out) by digital art, the digital artists now feel they won't be able to keep up with AI and the major step in ease of use it brings to the masses. "If everybody can be an artist, nobody is an artist" My personal take is that if the "meat" of the art piece is solid, the medium doesn't matter. I've learned to love CG art and found my favourite artists and simply ignored the inevitable sea of mediocrity around them. With AI, the sea will grow and finding good stuff will be more difficult, but in the big picture, nothing really changes. :)

sephiroth3000

As a person with imaginative thinking and no systematic learning of painting, AI painting is like a tool for me to realize the world I imagine in my mind. After encountering some games, I became dissatisfied with the character contact in the game and began to create my own. AI painting is a very good stage for people like us to turn text into painting and display it. Of course, I think the response below also has some reference value because our standards vary. Many people just post pictures without even making fine corrections, coloring, or reducing burrs. This is indeed a part that still needs to be discussed. Optimistically speaking, our thinking and creativity are reaching a new level; Pessimistically speaking, using AI synthesis will reduce crime to an incredibly low cost, which is also a fact. It depends on how you choose.

Catenby

Setting aside the completely nonsensical sci-fi babble in that interview you linked. Do you really want to platform Joe Rogan of all people?