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Reacting to your Unpopular Opinions šŸ˜… (Patreon)

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Good morning besties, hope you enjoy this different kind of video from us today, we had lots of fun sorting through these. Thanks to everyone who left a comment šŸ’›ā˜ŗļø

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Yuli

I am so SAT

kaelynnnmae

I have never clicked so fast. šŸ˜­ literally canā€™t wait. (also the hair is hair-ing for both of you today!! utterly illegal!!)

Yuli

Bonny what size did you get for that sweater!

Poke1855

AHHHH Yes Even more Chats and Reacts. Love you both Emily and Bonnie. Canā€™t also wait for Miley Cyrus.

Amanda Mittelman

I was literally rewatching the anthology reaction for like the tenth timeā€¦donā€™t mind if I do indulge in a new little video from these offensive little chickens šŸ‘ šŸ’… šŸ“

Sam

Yay! šŸ‘

ashley

just sat down for dinner needing something to watch omg!! perfect timing <3

izzy

you guys are GLOWING wow. prettiest chickens ever

Silvia

šŸŒ¼šŸ’›šŸ„

Caroline Britz

I was anxious for this one šŸ©·šŸ™ŒšŸ»

CDplayer

Iā€™d like to have a re-recorded songs video!! some original versions really are 10 times better than the re-recorded ones~

Ava Jeffs

oh my show is ON

Ava Jeffs

Bonny and Emily posting is the same high that I used to get when a new game of thrones episode dropped but better

Ava Jeffs

would be SO fun to hear your guys unpopular opinions next!!!!

Tegan

ā€œMaybe putting Me! as the lead singleā€ lmao so real

hauntedwillow27

i literally was upset because i was gonna comment atw>atw10 but i was too late and itā€™s the FIRST QUESTION LMAOOO

Mercedes

I keep all the stolen version CDs in my car and if I ever feel nostalgic, I'll put one on while I drive, but I rarely find myself wanting to go back to them!

Mercedes

Part of me does also think she planned to announce rep during the eras tour! Not only because of the costume not changing, but when also how deliberately she avoiding playing IDSB..it just felt so random when those things meant nothing lol but I can't wait to see what she ends up doing instead

chatsandreacts

Thatā€™s way too good of a compliment šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­

VadersPetPig

oh no what do we have here i am scared xD

Ali ā¤ļøā€šŸ”„

Yay!! About the original recordings, I donā€™t listen to them, but I do regularly think about og speak now (specifically never grow up) because in the re-recorded version, the emotion in her voice just feels so much more mature and wise somehow. Love your approach to this video šŸ«¶šŸ»šŸ«¶šŸ»

mm41302

Yā€™all be quiet my showā€™s on

Meghan Carty

Re: Taylor not working with women, her last few albums have been mixed/sound engineered by Laura Sisk. That's definitely a male dominated role and Taylor has her on stage when she's won grammys and stuff. She's also had the same female photographer do her album artwork photoshoots since folklore I think.

Dariel

I think Taylor directing her mv is not a bad idea. I do think sheā€™s getting better, and she needs those experiences to do better and bigger things. I do think bringing other directors for her mv will capture more deeply the feeling and the vision she has. But imma let her keep rockin it in her own way

Cara Elyse

I 100% agree I have several friends who also want someone else to direct the videos and I donā€™t know what Iā€™m missing because I think they are great šŸ˜‚

Jordan

Whilst I agree with your take, I LOVE the fact that yall are positive. Itā€™s not lost on me that you COULD be negative but youā€™re CHOOSING to be RAYS OF FKN SUNSHINE. Donā€™t lose your spark, girlies. Itā€™s what we LOVE!!

Allie

Iā€™m at the point where they discuss Taylor working with other producers and I just would like to bring up how she works with DJs that do remixes on her songs. Willow had a ton of remixes. She just did one recently and the person had liked a comment on IG or commented something on IG that the fandom latched on to and then dogpiled on him.

Nicole D

Please do a Lover era fashion tier ranking!

Kiara Pugliese

Just my opinion but i LOVE that you two are positive or even when criticizing something (like idk ur least fav songs) itā€™s still respectful and to the point but kind. really makes this a safe place and so enjoyable and i love it

isabel

i trust in her plan šŸ¤­šŸ™šŸ¼ i am dying but also yes 10000% she knows best when it comes to her art, I enjoy the ridešŸ¤£ excited for whatever is next, whenever it may be!

MavišŸ’–

This video is so much fun!! Love it šŸ’– I agree with your take on the re-recordings. She can hold onto them for as long as she wants, it gives us something to look forward to and I'm sure whatever way she does it will be superior

Wendy Davis

Maybe.........REP TV isn't completed yet!

ton

I love the idea of the analysis of the re-record changes. A lot is the way music tracks are laid now so they donā€™t blend in the same way

āœØBriāœØ

No no no Iā€™m dead at Bonny saying ā€œthatā€™s like me saying, Iā€™ll just get another chatā€ šŸ˜‚ I love you besties. And as somebody who absolutely loves Jackā€¦and Emilyā€¦I agree with your statements haha! Once in a lifetime connection!! Thatā€™s like catching lightning in a bottle!

Darby

Bonnie is me during a work zoom watching myself and fluffing my curls. šŸ˜‚. Love it.

ton

I think itā€™s possible Scooter doesnā€™t make money from the OG songs being played now. Yes we know she worked out he gets a something if theyā€™re sold again but not necessarily from the music. Perhaps thatā€™s allowed her to slow down her taking back ownership of her music whilst still needling him šŸ¤£

Ali ā¤ļøā€šŸ”„

Oh Iā€™m very disappointed that you didnā€™t like Selenaā€™s album šŸ’” I also wish I would have learned this news separately from the frustration of the comment šŸ˜­šŸ˜‚ you really came for them

Ashlyn

Ahh I'm so excited to watch!!!

M

Got some bad news today and this was just what I needed. Thank you girls ā¤ļø (also my unpopular opinion was the first you read!)

hauntedwillow27

Itā€™s also like taylor changes her lyrics all the time like we know for example the my boy only breaks his favorite toys voice memo. I fully believe sheā€™s probably at least tweaked most of her vault songs, not because they were bad before but she probably just didnā€™t like a certain part or thought of something better, like she does a lot of the time with new songs sheā€™s writing, or it just wasnā€™t done! I really donā€™t think itā€™s that big of a deal since itā€™s not like she completely wrote a new song and said it was old, itā€™s mostly the same song. Atw was a TEN MINUTE unedited song, they probably started working more on the lyrics after they cut it so she had to make the raw lyrics a better sound.

Kevin Lo

loved this video so much! would absolutely love you guys making an unpopular opinions as well ā¤ļø

Diamond

It makes me so sad to hear people donā€™t love director Taylor šŸ˜­

Katie

I just wanted to say, that while I agree that people sometimes focus too much on who each song is about I do think the discussion adds context to her music and is what helps us relate to it. I think you both do such a great job of finding the balance between the music and the muse. I also don't think Taylor would have released an album like TTPD if she had an issue with people discussing amongst themselves about who they thought each song was about.

ton

For me the ā€œscared every day of a love affairā€ links to being scared of Joe looking at other women that was alluded to many many timesā€¦. Delicate, End Game, Lover, all of the girls, ready for it, so it goes, gorgeous, itā€™s time to go, ME!

Jalen Oā€™Grady

Girlies could you please consider listening to Preacherā€™s Daughter by Ethel Cain, itā€™s lyrically complex and sonically incredible

Tefi Riveros

Ok this was much better that I was expecting, I was scaredšŸ¤£ sad that you didnā€™t like Selenaā€™s new album tho! I really enjoyed it

Tefi Riveros

Same omg I was looking forward to their reaction to itšŸ„²

Kay Kay

the benny and finneas part has me dying hahahah

Jackie Weiss

re: the lyric in ā€œSo Long, Londonā€. I think it could mean a few things, but I have most interpreted ā€œlove affairā€ to be a synonym for relationship, as in every day of a relationship, you shouldnā€™t be scared that he doesnā€™t want to be there. I know thereā€™s a lot of matty on the album, but I think so long London is just purely Joe and idk if she would slip matty in like that

Wendy Davis

Emily, I also don't care for the album version of Holy Ground, but when she sings it slow and with just the piano on the BBC Radio One Live Lounge performance for the release of Lover.......HOLY MOLY....it's gor-geous.

Yasmin

Not me thinking ā€œomg they saw my commentā€ as if there arenā€™t others in the world with the same name šŸ¤£

Aubrey McMichael

we need a lover era fashion tier ranking šŸ¤£

Jennie šŸšŸ–¤

Fully agree with your take on Taylor & Jack. Also - fully agree with whoever mentioned not being able to get into Lana. I just wanna sleep when I hear her music lol.

ton

I so agree about your reflection on her word smithing. I think she used sanctimonious soliloquyā€™s as a double play on how sanctimonious that phrase is as wellā€¦ was exactly her point for me

Allie

Bonny your HAIR OH MY GOSH šŸ˜

Hayley

Thank you SO much chickens for defending Taylor working with Jack & Aaron. I still havenā€™t heard a good enough reason why she should work with anyone else. Just watch the long pond sessions guys!!! Listen to the way they talk to each other, play the music together, and how comfortable she is around them and conversing with them. They have the most special & unique connection and that is extremely hard to find.

ton

In response to the announcementā€¦ i think Iā€™d love her to post about a livestream and then have an amazing announcement with everyone tuned in but not sure a platform could handle it šŸ¤£

Kristen

i totally agree with the rerecording doc over the eras tour doc, but if thatā€™s what weā€™re getting why did she film all of vancouver? i need answers! father scott, are you here? what was the reason šŸ˜­ pls

Johanna

Woah! I thought this was a safe space to offer an unpopular opinion! I am the one who mentioned it would be nice for Taylor to push the envelope sonically. I think I was pretty respectful in my analysis, and embedded in Bonnie's reading of my post, aka "blah, blah, blah", I also think I was very complimentary of Taylor's writing capacity and her growth. I think it's okay to wish for another sound, even if not Benny or Finneas. That's my prerogative as a listener and a consumer of music! I offered two examples of maybes, given that she might have a close enough relationship with these producers to trust the writing room. Did not intend to say "absolutely those two". You were very animated by my comment, and maybe if you listen back, perhaps a little too much heat. Music is supposed to fun and lighthearted - not something to get so angry about!

āœØBriāœØ

I 100% agree! I feel like thereā€™s been so many songs that show how she was insecure with him when it comes to other women. And the following line is ā€œevery breath feels like rarest air, when youā€™re not sure if he wants to be thereā€. Also a big one for me is in fresh out the slammer when she says ā€œhe was with her in dreamsā€. And even if thatā€™s her talking about her own dream it still would show her being scared of him possibly wanting someone else. Iā€™m not even saying that Joe cheated or even planned to but I do think based on many lyrics that taylor was scared that he might.

Jenny MacRunnel

According to Universal music, it sounds like she might be working with a new producer for TS12! But I'm guessing she's still working with Jack & Aaron too. I honestly don't care who she works with--she has reasons for it, and I trust her vision. I'm okay with her branching out, but only if she wants to---I'd also be okay with her only using Jack and Aaron for the rest of her career. She'll know what to do.

Jennie šŸšŸ–¤

Also COMPLETELY agree with your take on Selenaā€™s new album. Itā€™s just not good. And I normally respect peopleā€™s opinions and that ā€œmusic is subjectiveā€ or whatever lol but itā€™s objectively not a good album lol. Selena is not a musician. Sheā€™s not a singer. And thatā€™s okay.

ton

Thanks for thisā€¦ kinda fun, kinda triggering šŸ¤£

Madison

the jack thing is also a trigger for me. he gets so pigeonholed into one sound. he literally just produced all but one of the songs on kendrickā€™s last album and they sound NOTHING like anything he does for taylor. i never want her to move on from jack because you never know what youā€™re gonna get.

Erica

I completely agree about YOYOK unfortunately. The ā€œanxiety beatā€ is hard to listen to sometimes. Itā€™s the one note beat that has no rhythm. It just sounds like anxiety.. I understand that all the songs she has that use the anxiety beat (I.e., archer, so long London, yoyok) are songs about anxiety, but it is still really unsettling and unnerving to listen to.

Marisa

I think I owe you ladies an apology. The original post where you were asking for our on popular opinions was starting to feel so negative and hateful and toxic that I ended up leaving a comment that I didn't like this idea anymore and wanted to forget it was ever a thing. But I should have known that you would find a way to make it feel so positive and safe. Watching this video felt like being wrapped in a warm blanket, and I should have known by now that you would make it feel that way. As a side point, every time you absolutely ended all the Jack and Aaron naysayers, I just kept yelling at the screen: PREACH!

Erica

I prefer to listen to the acoustic version of these songs because they donā€™t have that bump bump bump bump bump over and over šŸ˜µā€šŸ’«šŸ˜µā€šŸ’«

Marisa

100%. The only way I can take that line that seems logical is just it being a poetic way to refer to their relationship.

Wendy Davis

Remember, she first announced the Eras Tour on The Tonight Show.

Hayley

I think the girlies are just passionate about that topic, especially since they had already read a few similar opinions by that point. I wouldnā€™t take it personally. But to be fair, the ā€œmaybe call up Benny or Finneasā€ part was a wild thing to say šŸ˜‚ But hey, thatā€™s why itā€™s unpopular!

Shannon Brown

You should do this after re-recordings and new albums!! So good

Hayley

Emily quoting The Climb brought me back to 9th grade, and made my night šŸ„²

ton

I understand why youā€™re upset but thanks for submitting. It allowed this discussion which goes beyond your post to a bigger issue that I liked hearing them discuss, even if they got animated when triggered šŸ¤£

ton

Iā€™m sticking with two theoriesā€¦ they are making a duo doco but when Trav lost the SB it got delayedā€¦ or itā€™s a Xmas present vid for just Trav cos he couldnā€™t be there in person šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

ton

I just watched the Fearless breakdown vids. Canā€™t believe how much itā€™s grown since then

Johanna

Yes! But I think when disagreeing with a singular person, we shouldn't make a habit of dumping the baggage of the internet on that one person's opinion. I am sure they were frustrated by what is shaping up to be somewhat of a collective opinion, but like I said, I was pretty complimentary of Jack and Aaron's previous work with Taylor - at least I'm pretty sure I was ( I don't have access to the original post). I remember writing it very kindly and respectfully. I guess, as a teacher who teaches students about digital citizenship, I think there is a nice way to disagree. Saying "what do you want from Taylor" assumes I am making demands of her. I wasn't. I was offering an opinion, which means squat in real life! I see this space as a place to share what we love about her music and what we hope to hear next. That's not a demand, right? It's being a fan and caring enough about her music to dream about what is possible. Appreciate your kind words, Hayley. I guess I was just suprised by the reaction.

S.C

Omg. Itā€™s the climb.šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

Kami

I feel like since ttpd sometimes you guys have crossed the line a bit too much re muse discourse but I understand that it comes from a place of excitement and overeagerness to deepen your understand of her past music and you largely keep it within this safe patron safe that I've easily overlooked it, some loud proclimations have just really got me cringing a bit. But ultimately I know that your respect for Taylor trumps all and that she respects you in equal measures so I can trust if you had any thought that you were partaking in something Taylor didn't approve of you'd stop immediately, which is something I can't say about most swiftie creative and why yall are truly the best for us all.

Jed C

I forgot to comment this but imo I think that imgonnagetyouback was meant to be on the original tortured poets tracklist and was put on the anthology to draw away attention from the get him back similar lyric situation with Olivia (and everything we donā€™t know what happened before) and that is why it sounds so sonically different to the rest of the anthology as both of the songs will have most likely have been written around similar times

Kami

I had I feeling whoever wrote that opinion would feel a bit like this. Unfortunately you got in on an opinion that comes with a lot of baggage and was rapidly expanded beyond what you had to say to the general discourse that your opinion is rooted in.

maya zutra

That comment section was brutal I wish I could unsee some of them . You 2 are very brave chickens

Tess7

You are both positive little lights in this social media universe. I love how most of the time, you are very diplomatic with any sort of criticismā€¦then out of nowhere you will say something so slay lol it does sting when you diplomatically dislike a favorite of mine (hello EYES OPEN) but I put it down to you not fathoming yet šŸ˜ I will say the Olivia thing was commented on by Jack. He said they did not ask for the money- however, I agree that something has caused a chill between all the parties involved. I 100% agree that Taylorā€™s singles are never her best choices, but I donā€™t think she had full say in that at Big Machine records. So itā€™s not just her lol As for ATW10, she did change or cut some lyrics- the Lover diaries had lyrics that are not in the Taylors version. I look at the song as a Taylorā€™s Version, so that implies a few changes. Still crazy that she actually gave it to us. Loved the video, as always. šŸ«¶šŸ’•

Sam

Petition to see your attempt to react to Selenaā€™s album. šŸ¤£

Guy Whiteman

Going off of the conversation of TTPD and The Anthology being ranked separately and the structure of The Anthology as a stand-alone album, maybe you could look at The Anthology as more of a mixtape, like what Doechii did with ABNH šŸ¤”šŸ’­

Johanna

Well put, Kami. Thank you for your kind words.

Kami

I couldn't immediately watch (just listen) and when I finally saw the video I was shook. That's literally my dream hair. She looks so good.

Jessie Anderson

Itā€™s ok, weā€™re not going to like all music. And I think youā€™d prefer no video to an honest video.

Kami

Yes, I've always felt the Taylor doesn't like paternity testing is honestly more directed at the media that want a story rather than her fans that want to connect to a deeper level of her art

Jessie Anderson

Taylor is the perfect person to direct her music videos - theyā€™re her lyrics, her vision, her stories. No one else could emulate that better. Loved the video! šŸ©·

Kami

There should be quotation marks there šŸ˜… "Taylor doesn't like paternity testing"

Kami

The thing about people not liking Taylors directing is SO baffling to me. And I'm a film snob so I feel like I should be seeing what these people are seeing but I'm not. Someone please explain more! There were a shocking amount of you.

Dswiftie

Taylor is definitely working on new music with a sweedish producer. I like Selena's album. Call me when you break-up was written for Taylor. I love patreon and you guys. I know you both work so hard on the videos you make for us. You guys make me feel like I'm part of this group. Thank you both. Now I'm gonna go cry. I'm all emotional.

Elle D

Tbh I think when you say an unpopular opinion, especially that one, you canā€™t always expect a cushioned fluffy response back!

sleepless_dream (Lauren)

I prefer the new version of Girl at Home too! the original is boring to me. šŸ˜… Her directing her own music videos is a big deal to me and I love music videos in general. I'm a video editor myself. She worked with Imogen Heap for Clean, and Imogen is a legend. I would love to see her work with more people like Imogen, she's insanely talented. I LOVE Say Don't Go šŸ„ŗšŸ©· Midnights is my favorite era of fashion and aesthetic for music videos and lyrics videos etc. I love midnights šŸ’™ I also love the FOTS outro haha I do not like the word choice of "imaginary", too many syllables I think, but I love the sound. I'm obsessed with music videos so obviously I would've loved some for the 1989 vaults because those are some of my favorite vaults of hers, sadly too short šŸ˜” "sanctimonious soliloques" is genius. people wouldn't say this about rappers or some of the best poets in the world, it's just a choice, and lots of writers choose it. I prefer it myself. elegies eulogize me is also great. I think it just depends on what kind of reading you like to do. šŸ“š (:

Astoria

I love Emilyā€™s hair (short bangs and the longer strands), silver earrings, and lip color.

maya zutra

And your positive spirit is so superior donā€™t ever fucking change

Johanna

I see what you're saying, Elle. But I still think there is a way to disagree strongly and respectfully. This didn't hit the mark in a way that works towards building and maintaining community. But maybe that's another unpopular opinion of mine!

Astoria

This vid was so good. The chatty vids are my fav! If there were more comments Iā€™d love a a Part 2!!!! šŸ’—

Hannah

Omg yes about Selenaā€¦ SHE should work with Taylor and Jack!

Astoria

You might be onto something! Sonically it would fit so well on the first half

Elle D

Literally YES re the Olivia convo. The way I tapped my screen repeatedly in agreement when you tapped your chest Emily and was likeā€¦ ā€œwell even if it was Taylor..well, she was protecting her assetsā€. Like, yes. I only feel bad for Olivia to the extent that I cannot imagine the pang of sadness I would feel to have gone from the connection to my idol and what was happening during Fearless TV era with them, to now. I also think Oliviaā€™s clear influence of not following anyone on instagram was done way too early in her career and I donā€™t understand why she did that when she just did not go through what Taylor did to cause why Taylor did that, that has always been a curious decision to me. Was it just to emulate Taylor and her Pr savvy, and now shes kind of stuck in that decision? Probably doesnā€™t really matter but itā€™s curious to me anyway.

Hayden Brice

Something I think folks forget re: jack and Aaron, is that the music industry is filled with frightful awful men and of course taylor is going to stick with men who have proven over and over they're safe. When the industry is filled with d*ddys and Dr l*kes can we really begrudge her for chosing to work with friends? I don't think we can And we know that's an aspect here, bc they're working w all the pop girlies now and that screams to me sewing circle "this guy is safe/unsafe" culture

Annie

think Taylor makes it really clear when she wants us to know who she is talking about-which is why she uses metaphors.

Rose Ellen

That lyric in So Long Londonā€¦in my opinion sheā€™s not saying she is scared of an affair, sheā€™s saying she was afraid every day that she was in that relationship. Given that one of the next lines is ā€˜when youā€™re not sure if he wants to be thereā€™ I think she was scared that he didnā€™t love her, or that he would leave. And that she had always had that feeling from the start of their relationship (which fits with other songs) and her friends were telling her ā€˜itā€™s not right to feel that anxiousā€™

Annie

Just to clarify, the interview was with a Swedish composer, who has done lots of musical arrangements for pop music, but not a producer...not to say she isn't working w a new producer ( max Martin reunion??) but wanted to avoid confusion people :)

Annie

the frightful comments gave me nightmares. your comment made me feel like I might be able to watch the vid lol

Akchita S.

This is worded so well and I agree with this sentiment!

Annie

100% you worded that so well.

Akchita S.

I agree! I genuinely donā€™t think we couldā€™ve gotten songs like WCS or YLM if it hadnā€™t been Jack or Aaron. That level of understanding and comfort isnā€™t easy to find and Iā€™m glad she has!

Sanell

Agree 100%. I love the girls and the excitement but I actually did not watch the Evermore video because I knew exactly what was going to happen thereā€¦

Sofia F

No actually, the interview was with a Swedish DJ who is working with the composer

Rose Ellen

I wouldnā€™t be surprised if she makes a docuseries or movie that covers the re-recording AND the Eras Tour! I think thereā€™s a lot of overlap with her going back and looking at her old eras again.

sierra

please šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

V. Babida

Ladies, I almost posted my distaste for the Selena & Benny album in unpopular opinion, but didnā€™t want to be negative. Felt validated that you both also didnā€™t love the album.

Kiki

I do think that her original plan, when she started planning the tour, was to release all the re-recordings during the eras tour. Because back then she couldn't have planned TTPD .... There was no breaking free from the slammer, there was no getting ghosted by Matty ...

chel

Omg so excited to watch this when I get home from work later !!!!!

Fahmeen

Itā€™s not the producers, itā€™s her šŸ˜­

Jen B

I was just thinking about this Jack antonoff convo this morning! I also think because Taylor is a solo artist (not a band, even though she has a band that plays with her), I think of Jack & Aaron as her ā€œband membersā€ in that, they help with the instrumentals & theyā€™re soundboards. Rarely does ANYBODY complain about ā€œah, if only Mic Jagger could try to collab with anybody other than Kieth Richardā€™s.. I am just getting tired of his guitar sound.ā€ For a band like The Rolling Stones. Which Beatle would you switch out? I think if people reframed Jack (& Aaron) as part of her ā€œband,ā€ theyā€™d be better for it!

Fahmeen

my comment made it to the video!! I do disagree about taylor deserving credit on Deja vu but I appreciated the discussion! ā˜ŗļø Olivia WAS naive since she was only 17 and new to the scene but Iā€™m sure this has hardened her and she wonā€™t make the same mistake and be so trusting in the future!

Kiki

I don't agree with the the discussion about the so long, london lyric If you look at the lines right before &after ... It doesn't give me the impression that Taylor talks about herself 'Holding tight to your quiet resentment and My friends said it isn't right to be scared Every day of a love affair Every breath feels like rarest air When you're not sure if he wants to be there'

Jaana

Iā€™m so excited to hear what TS12 will eventually be. Like Bon and Em said in one video, moving on and being happy with the right person can make you fathom your past relationships in a new way. So I think obviously TS12 will have clear love songs (which I neeeed) there probably will be songs about the fathomings Taylor has had.

Sanell

Hard disagree on the afraid everyday of a love affair being about Matty. Taylor seems to have an anxious attachment style (based on her songs) and she seemed to have constantly dated men with avoidant attachment styles, which is why most of her love songs have that underlying sense anxiety. So being fearful is a natural response for an anxious attachment style when the avoidant partner is pulling away. Additionally, that line does not function in isolation, the verses before and after it makes it clear that it is about her current partner.

Aloha Record Sargent

Ok, but someone tell me how you would replace the lyric "sanctimoniously performing soliloquies I'll never see"? What else would even work there as a replacement to capture what she is saying so succinctly and also rhyme and fit the tempo there?

Sofia F

Hahah I like Lana but I agree that her music is good to fall asleep to

Erin Brown

On the album announcement chat... I love the way Lorde announces her albums and communicates with fans, always feels unique and exciting

ChloƩ

Have you heard Off to the Races or Diet Mountain Dew though ?! šŸ˜‚šŸ‘€

Bella

Lmao I absolutely love when you both start ranting

Racheal Aine

I have and I still sleep, literally the only two lana songs I like are summer times sadness and snow in the beach, I will listen to recommendations that sound like that

Racheal Aine

Yessssss, this is a good recommendation, did you perverts, I did not but I'm waiting for the next album

Racheal Aine

I love some of them for example Lover music video is among my favourite music videos of all time, but at the same I hate the I can see you music video, I think she most times (nowadays anyway) concentrates on Easter eggs and is sometimes too literal therefore the video is either too obvious or too Easter eggy

Abigail Collins

she could work with a female producer but i get what youā€™re saying

paulina ā­ļø

šŸ„ŗ let me just say something extremely important regarding last part of video: how amazing it is to be know as the most positive unproblematic and respectful content creators in this swiftie or music universe .. we all know few of them (without saying names) that want to be controversial and theyā€™re portraying it as honesty ( so casually cruel in the name of being honest indeed) and in the end of the day they might have similar viewership but they will never make people feel the way you do so please, never force yourself just to add spiciness to content. youā€™re absolutely incredible as you are šŸ«¶

Josh G

POPULAR OPINION: I love chats & reacts!!!!!

Racheal Aine

I hope you are doing finešŸ«¶šŸ½

Racheal Aine

I only like one song on the album and that's sunset Blvd the rest are meh...I normally love Selena's singles but girlie cannot make a full good album, RARE is the closest and even that has some misses

Hayden Brice

She could, and I'm not discounting that. But she has worked with women before, she's definitely shown she's not opposed to new collaborators if they feel right, women are less prevalent in production (something thats worth discussing and working against, but remains true), and let's also not ignore that women aren't perfect either. Taylor has talked about his magical bond she has with Jack and Aaron. She has spoken about a bond like that with a woman before, Karlie Kloss, and that clearly went badly. I would've loved if she felt that magical bond with Imogen Heap but clearly she didn't šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø I'll just hope one day she finds it. And that's not to say that women don't deserve to get their dues in the music industry (play The Man - Taylor Swift) but she clearly trusts Aaron and Jack. And I don't get the impression that Taylor trusts many people (Also this criticism could be said for anyone - billie works predominantly with finneas, chappell and olivia Rodrigo work predominantly with Dan Nigro, there's not a lot of female producers working up at that level. And that's a studio problem)

Samantha

ā€˜Itā€™s like me going to get another Chatā€™ really cracked me up šŸ¤£ Love you guys!

Jen H

Literally YES to the working with a female producer chat. She should work with whoever is best for her and not have to worry about their gender or anything like that. It isn't her responsibility, the focus should be on the work they are creating

Hannah

Also the poet comment made me lol. I agree and disagree. I giggled the first time I heard sanctimoniously performing soliloquies. Not because I didnā€™t understand it it just felt pretentious. But you know what - poetry IS pretentious and thatā€™s ok. So I can agree with both sentiments there šŸ˜…

Molly McCann

Sat down with a cuppa tea and loved every second of this!! Also I always feel seen when you girlies defend Jack and Aaron because I feel the same way šŸ¤ŒšŸ¼

Annika

Call me delusional but I still think more songs on ttpd are about Joe just so I can connect and appreciate them more as if they were about Matty

Mona

oh my god can you post the Selena reaction just on Patreon? I would love to see your comments!

Evie Cottrell

I LOVE CHATTY VIDEOS LIKE THIS šŸ˜šŸ˜šŸ˜

Julieta

ha, you get so triggered šŸ˜…

tomkov

this.

Mandy

I always took the love affair lyric in So Long London as her not being scared of cheating or being cheated on, but simply her being scared her relationship (i.e., love affair) with Joe wasnā€™t going to last. And she was scared of it not being right, of losing him, the pain of it all.. Donā€™t know if that makes sense haha x

David

The climb from em took me out šŸ¤£

Clive

You are delusional, but that's OK. A lot of people have a lot of trouble that these songs are about The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived.

Mimi

Absolutely agree

rosie

LMAOO whyyyy is U2 music universally forced on everyone šŸ„²šŸ„²

Emmie Kruger

Sorry about the long story short one girlies, but what can I say, you asked for unpopular opinions haha but seriously of course it is still a slay song, I just don't love it. Loved this video though, you two are such positive and respectful queens!

Emmie Kruger

I actually agree with you, I think that there is so much we don't know about Joe that it might be easier to apply everything to Matty but more things are about Joe or both of them. I also think that once we get a piece of information you want to read everything through that lens and then sometimes it can be taken too far. But of course we will never actually know unless Taylor explicitly states who a song is about which she never will.

Lefty

What I think people need to remember, for the sake of practical discussion and realistic critiquing is that there are far worse things in the world than a negative opinion, something that thanks to the internet and a generation of crybabies, the world seems to have forgotten. I disagree with you and Taylor about certain things, doesnā€™t mean I hate either of you. On a different note, I think Taylor could stand to go back to doing more press and interviews and perhaps announce things that way. That way, we would know to be watching in case she announced something, and it would already be about her so announcing something wouldnā€™t be disrespectful

Andrew

2 things: 1. I think yall should rank the lead singles of each album. 2. I truly do believe we were originally going to get all the re-records before the tour ended. ALL the signs were there for London, announcing it one of those last days, going on hiatus while it drops, then revealing the new rep suit after she owed it (similar to how she didnā€™t wear purple during Speak Now until after she owned it again). After Vienna, it would have looked really bad to give London goers something that massive after they got nothing. Because of that, she made up a random reason why she saved IDSB for so long (because letā€™s admit it, the reason she did give made no sense) She then would have worn the double green 1989 set towards the very end of the tour to announce debut. (Still have no idea why the yellow/green combo was never worn though) While I am glad that the process has been prolonged for all of us, I will always believe that was the original plan. Why would you not end a tour about all your eras, without owning them all again by the end? That part doesnā€™t make sense to me. However, I am getting worried as we get closer to the August cutoff date on the trademarks. Iā€™m worried if she doesnā€™t announce them in time, that some sleaseball out there will be waiting to snatch them up to charge her a huge fee to get them back.

Georgia Double

Thanks for reacting to my opinion! You gave me a different perspective and some different things to think about! So excited for Debut and Rep when mother decides to bless us with them šŸ¤—ā¤ļø

maya zutra

Wait can someone elaborate plz cause I didnā€™t get it šŸ˜‚

Marisa

1,000%. Love affair is just a more poetic way of saying their relationship.

Adam

I disagree with your take on the Taylor and Olivia drama. As Swifties I think itā€™s very important for us to realise that Taylor isnā€™t always perfect and she can definitely be in the wrong sometimes. She definitely felt threatened by Olivia and started to overthink the situation when she realised some of Oliviaā€™s songs had been slightly inspired by Taylorā€™s music. I think Taylorā€™s actions in that situation couldā€™ve been really damaging to the music industry as it limits and sparks fear in upcoming young artists to not feel creative and inspired.

MarkH

When it comes to working with women, remember that working with Jack means working with Laura Sisk. Jack never does any producing without her, so far as I know. She is important. That said, I hope Taylor works with Imogen Heap again one day. Their one collaboration seemed to go very well, and produced a masterpiece.

CamilleC

I want to share a few thoughts, you said you didn't like Selena's album and that's completely fine but could you tell us or the mods what you intent on reacting to or not? i feel at times we are waiting for a reaction that will never happen šŸ˜… On the opinion about ttpd and Matty that rubs ppl the wrong way, i think it's more about what we picture Taylor to be attracted to than even him per say. Like does the fans wonder if Taylor think " The jokes that he told across the bar Were revolting and far too loud" cause she removed the rose colored glasses or cause he ghosted her therefore she's upset? I think there is this idea in ttpd that if he didn't ghosted her they could be together still (or ended later on) but we as fans have this idea of her that she couldn't possibly be attracted by a man like him. It's interesting cause it's exactly the same thing of fans loving Joe for so long when we don't know anything about him except "his" songs you know ? Fans always mirror what Taylor say about the man she is with in a way, look at Travis ppl love them together right now there is already stuff he said that are like šŸ˜‘ but it's put aside. The parasocial of it all i guess šŸ˜‚

Emmie Kruger

Yes I agree, she was scared of the status of their love affair which make sense with the following lyrics as well.

Shanna

Can anyone tell me what the girls are saying at 47 min? Which song is at the bottom of Katie's Midnights ranking? Can't hear it clearly.. Thank you :)! Looove this video <3

rosie

^^ yeah their music was put onto basically everyone's iTunes for free but we were all like ???? why are you here and playing every time i open the damn app lol

SomDrum

I totally agree with wanting a re-recording documentary over an Eras Tour doc. Both would be superior, of course, but I think that a re-record doc could touch on the Eras Tour without it revolving around the tour. As much as I would love to see more behind-the-scenes stuff about how that tour was created, I've made my peace with the fact that that isn't the type of stuff Taylor usually chooses to share with us

Renee S Smith

My mom has an iPhone and they have some songs that automatically play whenever her phone attaches to my car.

Renee S Smith

I agree. He wasn't affirming enough possibly

MarkH

It is interesting that not liking Matty is making that one person not vibe with TTPD as much. Matty is slimy, but on the scale of evil exes he does not compare to John Mayer. Matty is not an abuser; I think John is, or was, and frankly I also think Jake was worse than Matty. I am not going to stop listening to Dear John or Ours because of John Mayer, and I am not going to miss the genius of TTPD because of the little rat.

Cassidy

I have always just LOVED music videos. I think itā€™s almost like how people imagine a cast and what a movie would look like after reading a book they love. To that - I do agree and Iā€™ve also wanted Taylor to get a different director to come in. Thereā€™s just so many camera tricks and things that someone who specifically specializes in directing offers. I love cardigan and a few others sheā€™s directed. But TTPD is so theatrical and has such descriptive imagery, it couldā€™ve had some movie-like videos for so many songs. Sheā€™s always had creative input, and a general direction in all of her music videos so we wouldnā€™t lose any of her vision.

rosie

loved this vid as always, but would love for it to be a one off - i'm here for allll the positive content from you girlies! (i mean this is the nicest way possible hahah)

Shanna

Thanks šŸ‘Œ

Alyssa Kay

They ranked the lead singles a few months ago!

samjanecampbell

Yes ATW10 was a first draft flow of consciousness and never a fully fledged demo or song. So of course it will seem as if some lyrics were written recently, things have to alter slightly when turning it into a complete song.

Aisha Louise

Pleaseee put it on here ...šŸ˜­

Cassidy

They released an album for free 10-15 years ago and it just appeared on everyoneā€™s phone without us downloading. ā€œsleep like a baby tonightā€ is a great song off the album though lol

Georgia Double

I CANNOT deal with the Jack and Aaron slander!!! THEY ARE PERFECT for Taylor

Mex

i'm pretty sure they said they stopped filming the selena reaction because they didn't have enough nice things to say, so chose to say nothing

Cassidy

ā€œMy friends said, It isnā€™t right to be scared, everyday of a love affair, every breathe feels like rarest air, WHEN YOUā€™RE NOT SURE IF HE WANTS TO BE THEREā€ thatā€™s the full lyric. Never send any hate to anyone and we will never know the full story but I definitely donā€™t think she was thinking about Matty here.

Yasemin Turner

But can I ask why we all feel like Taylor was at fault here? From what I understand Oliviaā€˜s team was worried about being sued and they gave both songs writing credits. Hayley and Jack have both said that they were surprised they received writing credits, they had no idea it was happening. For both songs to receive these credits it could only have been Oliviaā€™s team. I do believe Oliviaā€˜s team were inexperienced and they did her dirty. Truly donā€™t think its any of their faults. Oliviaā€™s team heard the chatter online and panicked.

Yasemin Turner

Taylor also refers to relationships as love affairs (did the love affair maim you too) and she isnā€™t referring to infidelity

marysia

I love how you talk about trusting taylor's plan the same way christians talk about trusting god's plan hahah

Sam

TayloršŸ‘isšŸ‘notšŸ‘ašŸ‘charityšŸ‘casešŸ‘!!!

Benson

Love you two! I have a video idea for you guys to consider: which songs do you think should have worked very well as singles in each album? For example, for me, TTPD shouldā€™ve chosen guilty as sin and down bad as the two singles.

Annika šŸ“Melb, AU

Please never stop talking about possible muses for Taylorā€™s songs! Your ability to interpret her lyrics and relate them to possible moments in her history is why I became such a fan of you both! You really connected me at a deeper level with Taylorā€™s lyrics and are the reason why I got sooo deep in this fandom. If Taylor didnā€™t like your dissections I donā€™t think she would have given you letters. ā¤ļø That said, I would also listen to you draw parallels between songs based on themes!

Annika šŸ“Melb, AU

What have I missed that Travis has said that is problematic? I thought we (the fandom) tried to find problematic tweets and the worst thing we found was that he didnā€™t know how to spell ā€œsquirrelā€ lmao. Genuinely asking for some examples out of curiosity ā˜ŗļø

Annika šŸ“Melb, AU

Oliviaā€™s team didnā€™t want to go through any court proceedings so they gave the credit. Deja Vu = Cruel Summer would never have held up in court. For all we know it was the record label and not Taylor. Yes Taylor owns her songs but UMG still gets money from them. Oliviaā€™s clearly been advised to distance herself from Taylor and establish herself as an artist in her own right. All of these things combined would lead to some uneasy feelings between them. And of course, it could have been Taylor protecting her IP but I have trouble imagining that she thinks Deja Vu has any elements of Cruel Summer in it! Inspiration is free.

Delphine Gras

I totally agree with you on this BUT I'm also surprised that people interpret this as Joe cheating on her because for me this means that Joe wasn't showing her that he was happy to be with her, making her the center of his attention and instead he was so depressed that it seemed as if he didn't want to be with her or alive at all (as in THERE alive) and wasn't fighting for her. Cheating is not the only materialization of not showing for someone, and not showing for someone doesn't mean you're showing up for someone else !

CamilleC

Oh yes i understood that i meant in general when there is a release like Lady Gaga for ex can they tell us if they will react or not šŸ˜Š

Delphine Gras

Completely agree, I don't understand why people thought it was about cheating !

LindseyMarie

I was so nervous about this video, some of the first comments were SO negative and not critiques of her art so much as they were of her personally, I had to stop reading the comments coming in and just trust you ladies would do the right thing and you absolutely did make this a fun and respectful chat, so thank you! Youā€™re always superior and respectful, I should never doubt that!!šŸ«¶

Delphine Gras

I agree that she should work with whom she feels comfortable with but I also understand why the person said that I if Taylor could find a woman producer she clicks with I would be delighted ! Btw, let's not forget that she does support young female singers: her opening acts on the eras tour were women, she also did Karma with Ice Spice (even if I don't like it I recognize that she supports her friends and even more her female young friends) !

Hayley

I wrote a whole thesis on why long story short is objectively Taylor Swiftā€™s best song. šŸ¤­

Emmie Kruger

That's really cool! I would actually love to read that, maybe it will change my mind haha honestly it's mostly sonically that it doesn't work for me. But as always someone's least fave is always someone else's favourite which is so cool.

andria

ugh i was a 1975 stan before truly falling into the swifthood and this discourse is and always will be the death of me

CamilleC

I personnaly didn't like some comments he did in interviews like "finding a breeder", cheating is fine etc. It's a personality thing for me he can change and evolve of course but right now apart from a great pr team and making business moves for his intire family i'm not amazed. I think a lot of fans loved the idea of him talking about Taylor that feeds the "he's the opposite of Joe therefore he's great" you know what i mean ?

andria

wait this is tea

paulina ā­ļø

i didnā€™t have just one person in mind (more like two :D) but if specific one is automatically coming into our minds that means my statement is correct. i wanted avoid any shade as girls are inspiring in this matter to not spread negativity if you donā€™t have anything nice to say. These creators have own audience for a reason i might not understand these reasons but they work as hard as anybody else for their content. But itā€™s definitely healing for my soul to see that there are girls who found their own way of expressing themselves šŸ¤—

Darya šŸ¤

I love love love the special cd moment. Or vinyl! So ritualistic

Gustav Lucas

HAHAHAH I love thereā€™s a scrapped reaction of the Selena/Benny album locked forever in the C&R vault

Leah Rose

EMILY! YOUR BANGS! THEY ARE BANGING!!

ChloeThePayne

the title track discussion will always bring me back to evermore reigning supreme šŸ¤Ž

Leah Rose

There are several lyrics in Taylor's more recent work that allude to there being someone else in Joe's picture. To what extent, I feel like it is up for interpretation but The Great War has "Maybe it was egos swinging, maybe it was HER." and then Fresh out the Slammer "Splintered back in winter, silent dinners, bitter, he was with HER in dreams" and then of course So Long London "when you're not sure if he wants to be there." Honestly I think it alludes to an emotional affair. He's clearly been thinking about someone else. If it were any other muse I think we'd be coming to the same conclusions but this fandom has a huuuuge soft spot for Joe (understandable to some degree) and I think it's okay to make the conclusion he was at least thinking about another woman lol.

paulina ā­ļø

no thatā€™s fine, i enjoy respectful discussion. i added that comment in the context of girls being diplomatic or being asked to not to be afraid to criticize and wanted to point out that maybe one of the reasons they built this strong and devoted community is because the way they are and how naturally pure and positive the content is ā˜ŗļø thatā€™s their huuuge asset and probably the reason why Taylor or Scott appreciate them the way they do

Jamie

I don't know where we could have said our unpopular opinion lol but gonna be fun to hear others šŸ’œ

Mayra

Omg you triggered a memory. Took me years to realize it was added to everyone not just my ITunes account lol

Hayley

Ooo that would be a cool video! I remember Em saying once that she thought Haunted wouldā€™ve been slay and Bonnyā€™s reaction was so funny šŸ˜†

Jamie

to me.. there is only ONE song that comes to mind that I have to have in the old version.. it's a song that reminds me of my dad and his passing. so I won't be listening to Taylors version of this one song. But I also think it's ok listen to the old songs if you also support Taylors version most of the time. that's my opinion. šŸŒ·

Mayra

Iā€™ve waited for this video to give THE most unpopular opinion. I donā€™t think sheā€™s doing any other rerecordings at all. I think the energy for that is gone from her.

Mika B

Wait what? You didn't like any song from Selena's album? Pleaseeee explain because i loved a lot of the songs there

Ellen Blair

Iā€™m a staunch listener of the new versions with one exception. Better Than Revenge. Itā€™s just so teen angsty and she did NOT need to change the absolutely iconic mattress line. Youā€™re allowed to be petty and lash out about someone stealing your boyfriend. Lol.

K

I feel like a lot of these were just opinions, not unpopular opinions. I was hoping for some more scandalous ones šŸ˜…

annie

regarding the muse discourse (thanks for reading mine out!!): I do agree that the level of obsession is in part a monster of taylor's own creation, so in that way it makes sense why it's so popular. but i still think it goes too far a lot of the time! I think she definitely encouraged it a lot when she was younger and while she still writes in details that she knows fans will connect to certain people, the obsession with going back and figuring out what every song is about and what exact person /situation it connects or having to view every song through the "lens" of a certain man is what i can't personally stand and what i think discredits a lot of her songwriting talent. i understand i'm in the minority (that's why it's an unpopular opinion lol) but i truly do wish there was a way to be in swiftie spaces without discussing any of the lore hah, i miss my experience of listening to the early albums while being blissfully unaware of her personal life (even when she was already leaving clues). it's harder now that she's SO popular too, with her personal life being everywhere kind of and it's impossible to not know at least a tiny bit of what's going on even if you're not a swiftie

Alexia šŸ«¶šŸ»

I 1000% get where yall are coming from with Selena and Bennys new album. BECAUSE, just like Taylor having a connection with Aaron Desner and Jack Antonoff, I think this is one of Selenaā€˜s best albums. Only because she finally felt like she had a safe enough space and a producer that heard her and was able to meet in the middle when it came to her talent and needs. I truly do not believe Selena wouldā€™ve came back into the music industry, especially so soon if it wasnā€™t for him. Do I put that album above any of Taylorā€™s bodies of Work, no. But in another playing field, I respect what Benny and Selena did together on that piece of work.

Samantha

I think Taylor going through the very public re-recording project also played a big part here. Because of that, it seems like Taylor/her team would have a zero tolerance policy on anyone seemingly infringing on Taylors work. So as soon as Olivia mentioned that she was inspired by Cruel Summer, she unwittingly put herself in a bad spot. And given everything that was going on with Paramore, I feel like Olivia's team were just trying to get ahead of any potential legal fallout. Whatever happened it's clearly upset Olivia (which you can totally understand), hence why she's distanced herself. It's a tough one because I get Taylor wanting to defend her work, but also completely get Olivia being upset by accusations of plagiarism. It really sucks all around as a fan of both!

Leah Rose

Unpopular Opinion: I like the Original Version of TTPD more than the Anthology. I'm a folklore/evermore girly through and through. Folklore was my favorite prior to TTPD. But TTPD, before the anthology, tells a much cohesive story, has more experimentation in it's OG 16 tracks, and is overall more exciting than the Anthology. I love The Anthology dearly. I think it has some of her best songwriting and I listen to it regularly. But I think the OG TTPD is the better album. It's sad to me how many people just can't put behind their weird aversions to Taylor and synths to really listen to the OG tracks with a keen ear and understand just HOW experimental and layered it is in the production and the songwriting. It hasn't been explained to me, not even once, why people think the OG TTPD is worse other than bringing up Jack's production and some similarities to Midnights. I just don't think that opinion holds water anymore honestly.

Leah Rose

I don't understand this weird desire to constantly defend Joe's behavior. Not Bonny and Emily, but I would say the fandom generally feels they need to protect him or something. There is a SMALL subsection of Swifties who truly believe Joe was a POS and, like all subsections of fandoms, we generally ignore those people and I don't condone the hate or anything. But I don't get this weird aversion to looking at these lyrics like in So Long London with the same keen eye and attention to detail in lyrical parallels as we do with other muses. Taylor has mentioned there was another woman multiple times since Midnights that has SOME influence on their relationship. The Great War - Maybe it was egos swinging, maybe it was HER Fresh Out The Slammer - Splintered back in winter silent dinners, bitter, he was with HER in dreams So Long London - It isn't right to be scared every day of a love affair when you're not sure if he wants to be there. Like...the writing is on the wall. He was at the very least thinking about some other woman. It doesn't mean he's a POS or an awful person. But I think we have to be honest with ourselves, if this was any other muse, Calvin, Tom, etc, people would be tying those lyrics together and saying he had an emotional affair. But because Taylor painted Joe in a positive light for so many years, we for some reason can't put two and two together and just be like "yeah this indicates potential emotional cheating too." I mean come on, our fandom went as far to say Renegade was writing about Taylor from JOE's point of view because how could Taylor possibly write a song about Joe like that...we have to admit we have defended this man to the ends of the earth, have tried to re-write CLEAR signs that he had some issues, and for some reason we can't let these lyrical parallels just say what they mean? He was likely thinking about someone else. End of story lol.

Maggie

As in you think we'll never get rep and Debut?

Mayra

Yes, I donā€™t know why but I donā€™t think weā€™re getting TV of debut and reputation. I pray Iā€™m so wrong but I have this sense sheā€™s not doing them.

annie

(and i don't mean this to come across as directed just toward you two specifically bc of the refathomings, it's more meant as a comment on the fandom overall!!)

Jamie

well to that, I would say, we ONLY know of joe's personality through her lens. no matter what a song says. no matter how juicy the details get. it's the same with how I would tell a story about my ex. YES, I am not lying in my perspective, but I also don't truly know his perspective or reasoning AND OR also to remember, that a song has to have a point. a through line, and be poetic and rhyme etc etc. a song is art. so we ACTUALLY don't know IF Taylor makes songs the same way as I make poetry. where as I take a real thing, that happened or a word etc - and then a make a story around that. some things are made more extreme, other things are changed or blurred out. we truly do not know Joe, just from songs with a certain narrative. that's why. in a breakup there are always two sides. and whilst it's fine to take Taylor at her word at everything and be on her side, and I am too... but just like with EVERYONE else, there are always more sides. there is your truth. their truth and the truth. I think it's important to just see songs as songs and not make decisions on people based off of them. but that is my opinion. you do you šŸ’œ

Alina

I always thought it was ā€œscared every day of a life affairā€ as in every day of the month, every day of this affair. Just scared every day. Scared heā€™ll leave, scared it wonā€™t last etc. A theme that sheā€™s dabbled in many times before (Peace etc)

Lara

i think the reason i can rank ttpd as #1 so easily is the fact that i completely separate it from her experience (apart from songs like icdiwabh or thank u aimee) and usually tend to apply it to my own experiences and feelings.

GigiLou

You made the right call. Itā€™s the only video of the girls that I ever started fast forwarding my way through. Just because we now know one more aspect of her life doesnā€™t mean there arenā€™t 100 that we donā€™t know. I find it unnecessary to make every single old song about Matty even when youā€™re having to shoehorn it in. Itā€™s kind of dismissive to her creativity and imagination. I say that knowing that the girls adore Taylor and wouldnā€™t ever want to be disrespectful.

Giel

that comment was mine, and it was by no means ouf of any desire to defend joe (cause honestly I could not care less about who was right and wrong in their relationship because i dont know them personally). My main point was that I personally view it in the exact opposite way: to me all the lyrics in folklore-TTPD point to Taylor being the one who was in the wrong, because she was in love with Matty Healy. It is clear from her lyrics Joe hasnt put enough effort in her relationship, but to me it is kind of extreme that I see many swifties accusing joe of cheating, even though (in my opinion) none of her lyrics seem to point at that being the case. My comment was mainly referring to frustration that people accuse him of anything, even though her lyrics are too vague to make anything out of it. The lyric in my comment about so long london is one of those lyrics I see (in my opinion) misinterpreted because to me it seems other songs such as guilty as sin (with a much clearer message in my opinion that she was fantasizing about this other man) directly contradict that and prove that the lyric about a love affair points more to it being about herself rather than Joe. I hope that gives some context to my thoughts :)

Annie

I think you are judging someone (travis) very harshly when they dont deserve it, the same way people judge Taylor. He's a great guy with a great track record of 13 years with everyone he has come across including his ex gf saying nothing good about him... he rarely mentions Taylor except to offer public support and her family and friends have been outspoken about loving them together and him.

Annie

are you saying that Taylor felt threatened specifically by Olivia so much so that she attempted to derail her career but brought on SO MANY openers on tour and has done nothing but support artists forever, especially young women? Didn't jack confirm they didn't ask for any credits and didn't even know about it until after? This started bc Paramore guitarist was being a dick... we have to acknowledge that there is a business side of music and she is under contract with UMG as well.. Not saying your version didn't happen, just wondering why you are assuming bad intention that Taylor was behind it, or why is would even be bad to give credits? Taylor gave credits to another artist for cruel summer.

Dany Rv

Guys, itā€™s incredible, thatā€™s exactly how I feel! I just couldnā€™t wrap my head around TTPD because I really donā€™t like Matty. It felt like watching a friend fall for someone truly awful, and not understanding why. I was honestly disappointed in Taylor for trusting him. Iā€™ve tried to push those feelings aside, reminding myself that heā€™s smart and calculated; and clearly knew exactly what he was doing. For him, it was all just a game. But I know this album has iconic songs but. I donā€™t know maybe in some years I will be able to really connect with this album

CamilleC

Yes maybe i'm judging him. My original point was that fans also judge overty positive the current bf then trash the exes like they know. All i'm saying is that none of us know, you know what i'm mean? But yes i have opinions they can be wrong, we all have

Lynn

Honestly if someone did to Taylor at 17 what Taylor allegedly did to Olivia, I donā€™t think yall would be saying protect your assets, yall may have been upset. I donā€™t think itā€™s fair to say Olivia was copying Taylor at all either. If we said that that would mean Taylor has copied Lana, Joni or the artists she took inspiration from. Wildest dreams has been said to sound exactly like Without you by Lana. Art all takes inspiration from other art. Ed Sheeran had a lawsuit on this that was very revealing! Iā€™m not coming for you guys at all just offering a different perspective. Love these types of videos from you guys since you donā€™t usually get into the mess šŸ˜‚

Marissa

Such a great video! About ā€œhatersā€- I think thereā€™s a such big difference between hating and critically engaging with her work. Taylor is my icon, but I also analyze what she creates in a critical manner (like I wouldā€™ve done when I was a literary student) because I respect her so much and her work is so interesting and multi-faceted. Sheā€™s a true artist which means she dares to take risks and try new things. Sometimes that works out perfectly and sometimes it sparks some questions. The discourse about all of that is what makes art eternally fascinating. I think the difference is that you donā€™t criticize her work to be deliberately mean (searching for something to hate on) but from a place of respect, wonder and curiosity! (I have so much respect for anyone who doesnā€™t feel this way and rather just enjoy her music, Iā€™m just a nerd šŸ¤“)

Emily Haggard

Wait guys!! Evermore is a great title track!

Maggie

So well said Marissa!

Anna Miotello

People need to understand that what makes you you is your positivity and diplomacy. If they think sass is more entertaining, nothing wrong with that, but they should find other people to watch. It would be insincere for you to start heavily criticizing Taylor's music if that is not how you feel. In saying that, I really enjoyed seeing the truth coming out from you in the TTPD ranking :D

Emily Haggard

totally agree! I like the Selena album butā€¦ šŸ˜‚

Gina Gould

I also prefer the new version of girl at home, haha!

Kami

Mint please elaborate! Arguably I'd say that Taylors MVs aren't a transfer but an expansion. I've always taken it as her world building from her written word. They go hand in hand, not mirrored. How can another director accurately expand on a story they didn't create? Maybe others could do what your saying better but why is that the goal?

Andy

Swiftologist catching strays in the final minuteā€¦ he definitely needs to lighten up sometimes. Youā€™d think he was personally victimised by Taylor Swift when in reality he was invited into her home. Baffling. Love you B & E xx

chel

such a fun and insightful video to watch, love hearing your opinions even if i dont always agree with them (fresh out the slammer outro supremacy), love u girlies

sofie sandrini

thank you for being angry about the Aaron Jack hate... my blood boils I cannot. I think its because people knows she's had success every reinvention she's done and wanna keep TESTING her till well forever to see if she would be great in every scenario - because it is so profound she is that great

Jess

Iā€™m so glad you spoke about the re-records. Iā€™m like you - I prefer listening to Taylorā€™s versions because thatā€™s what I want to do and thatā€™s how I want to support Taylor. Thereā€™s such a discourse on social media at the moment that either youā€™re a fake fan for not streaming Taylorā€™s version (Taylor herself has said she didnā€™t expect anyone else to care and sheā€™s doing it for herself) or thereā€™s people who are bashing those who genuinely prefer Taylorā€™s version - what can I say, I like Style TV so Iā€™m gonna listen to it, if you donā€™t then you donā€™t have to - letā€™s stop being so cruel to each other and to Taylor!

Allie Ladner

I honestly couldnā€™t get through it either. Once I got to bluest flame I was like okkkkk I know when itā€™s time to go.

Jenny

Same šŸ˜…šŸ˜‚

Katie LaFave

thank you emily for quoting the climb!! i understand the journey, but because the bridge is such a standout compared to the rest of YOYOK it's lower on my ranking! with my favs on midnights, i loveee those songs in their entirety not just one part

Leah Rose

It's interesting reading your perspective Giel, because I find more often than not that people regularly defend or just in general don't engage in any negative discourse about Joe. At least that's what I see in this Patreon group and that's what I see on Reddit. Which of course there's no need to spread any hate about him. And I don't think there's really any arguing that what Taylor did (emotionally cheat) on Joe was wrong. And you're right, it's clear from the lyrics she was falling in love with Matty or at least beginning to at certain stages in her and Joe's relationship.. But I also think that there have been glaring issues on Joe's end too. I don't think he's an innocent bystander by any means. I'm not sure how anyone can take the lyric "you SACRIFICED us to the gods of your bluest days" and think Joe didn't do anything at all to her or the relationship. And that's just one example of many other lyrics in her discography that point to Joe self-sabotaging and putting his mental state above the relationship with her. She literally wanted to marry him and died waiting for the proof he loved her. I still maintain this fandom has a soft spot for Joe, there are people who still believe Bejeweled is about Calvin Harris. I don't think it's a question of who is the worse muse, or who in the relationship was worse, Taylor or Joe. I just think it's clear Joe wasn't a saint and it seems easy for this fandom to gloss over that and blame Taylor and point her out as a villain rather than recognizing it takes two people to end a relationship and Joe had his fair share in it.

Katie LaFave

yeah with what you gusy said at the end lets just say chats & reacts >>> swiftologist

kennašŸŖ½

thank you thank you thank you for feeling so passionate & standing up for jack and aaron (many times) weā€™ve gotten sooooooooo many incredible songs from them why stop now?? why?? i donā€™t understand the hate they get especially jack HEā€™S SO GOOD and if taylor loves and trusts them then so do i!

Lucie S

I just love how you talk about Taylor šŸ¤ she deserves fans like you ! I don't feel like you ever cross a line when talking about her and her songs, even when relating them to muses - you simply try to fathom and connect the parts of the story ! šŸ„°

Cassandra

I strongly believe she would tell us if that were the case

Chase

Just wanted to clarify regarding the female collaborations comment I made. I never meant to imply that I didnā€™t want her to work with Jack or Aaron. I love both of them and the music theyā€™ve all made together (and totally understand the need to defend her continuing to work with them) ā¤ļøI just think itā€™d be awesome for her to add more female energy in the mix though I know sheā€™s under no obligation to do so.

Celia

Emily, the part of fresh out the slammer that you donā€™t like isnā€™t an outro, itā€™s a bridgeā€¦ the outro is just the ā€œbut itā€™s gonna be alright, I did my timeā€

Katariina Blom

same, and I feel this way with most of her songs! usually, it's not even that I relate them to myself, but maybe to a book or movie, or even other people in my life. Or I just vibe with the music. But daddy I love him could be written about literally anyone and I would still think it's one of the best songs to ever exist :D

Beatriz

hi girls, just popping in to say that i think its quite dangerous to talk about Olivia's ingenuity regarding the whole thing. We dont talk about young Taylor's ingenuity when refering to the older men that took advantage of it, so we should hold that principle for other young girls too. Absolutely loved the videos girlies, sorry if this comes out the wrong way, but it felt important fo me to say.

Katariina Blom

I agree, I would love for Taylor to branch out a bit and try some other collaborators - but that in no way means that I DON'T still want her to work with Jack and Aaron! I just think it would be fun to see her vision through someone else as well.

Katariina Blom

I just also have to compliment Bonnieā€™s curly hair since I havenā€™t seen anybody mention it!

Cassandra

Emily needs to watch holy ground on the piano in Tokyo RIGHT FCKIN NOWWWWWWWWWW. Best performance in all of eras to me

Jessi Dees

My unpopular opinion: I understand why she didn't release Guilty as Sin as a single. It's about her wanting to master bate thinking about another guy in her day/dreams while she's with Joe. Then it releases when she moved on with ANOTHER guy, after the one in her mind destroyed her in reality. This isn't to say it's not single worthy or not an incredible song. The timing was off. And it would be kinda disrespectful to both Joe and Travis.

Jessi Dees

I don't think anyone was saying stop talking about muses. It seemed to be more about not making it the only discussion, when Taylor's writing is more complex than who inspired it. It helps us to know the context of the song, but it isn't the only thing to talk about. There is so much more going on than any one guy to Taylor's songs.

Jessi Dees

I also don't know what Taylor ACTUALLY did in the Olivia case. We have a lot of info on Olivia's side, but all the talk about Taylor is filled with allegedly and supposedly. Can someone explain Taylor's actions that were wrong, because it never seems to be brought up, which makes it hard to have a complete opinion on the whole thing.

ayla Ƨimen

I also felt like they were misunderstanding your comment -- I feel like working with more women doesn't have anything to do with charity; for me there is just a magic brought to music and art by women, and that's what I'm thinking of when I think about diversifying collaborators. Some of my favorite music is made by all-women teams, and it brings a special sort of energy that it would be fun to hear from Taylor (and frankly would probably be fun and magical for her as well).

Midori

Iā€™m surprised to hear Emily imply that either way Taylor was in the right regarding the Olivia situation to ā€œprotect her assets.ā€ I think I might feel that way if the songs sounded similar but since they donā€™t, itā€™s hard for me to see it that way. Surely it would follow then that Hilary Duff deserves to protect her assets for the undeniable similarities between Paper Rings/Getaway Car and Hilaryā€™s Breathe In, Breathe Out (which Taylor wrote in a Tumblr post was her favorite song on the album in 2015). I guess the way I see it is rather than looking at it through the lens of judging one or the other (especially since we donā€™t know all of the details) I imagine if this had happened to Taylor at the age Olivia was at the time (17? 18?) by a massively powerful and successful artist (who also happened to be her idol), I would really empathize with Taylor, as I think most swifties would. For fans of that hypothetical artist to then imply that she was in the right and deserved to protect her assets and that Taylor was simply too naive and has ā€˜one-sided beef with herā€™ would probably not sit well with me. So I extend the same empathy to Olivia in this situation.

Jenn Hamel

My favourite part about this was learning how I was not alone in my opinion that Selena and Bennyā€™s album was completely unlistenable šŸ¤£

sarah

you girls look GORJINA!! loooveee the hair on both of u

Simple Ellements

(Sorry I didn't think this was going to be such a long reply, but you reminded me about how I feel about this whole thing.) This is part of my frustration on this topic, especially with a background in IP law, I know how tricky this all is. Everyone assumes it was Taylor and her team, but there's three writers for Cruel Summer and no one knows exactly what happened except them. Any one of the writers could enforce the attribution and the only person to comment on it was Olivia, but even still, she was vague. All I've gathered about this situation is: 1. Taylor, Jack and St. Vincent got retroactive writing credits (and assuming royalties--just an assumption with how writing credits work) for Deja Vu because it interpolated the bridge of Cruel Summer. 2. Olivia spoke about how it caught her off guard, but she also mentions she had no part in the discussions, that it was the legal teams (not sure which legal teams, everyone assumes it was Taylor's and hers alone).. 3. People associate Olivia's "the grudge" and "vampire" to Taylor. 4. There doesn't seem to be any public relationship between them like there was before (like during the Red TV release). All this to say, nothing is definitive to me. It's all speculation until something gets leaked or one of them speaks on it without being vague (which I doubt would happen). BUT a falling out between them does seem to be based on "something." Like the whole "where there's smoke there's fire" type of thing. What I know is Jack, Taylor or St. Vincent could have sought writing credits and if you add one you'd have to add them all. Songwriting credits and proper attribution is tricky. Especially when it comes to sampling or interpolation (which I think is what is the case) and the distinction from inspiration. Either Olivia's team knew she (herself/engineer/producer/beat maker/whomever) may have interpolated the bridge from Cruel Summer or they didn't and figured it just wasn't worth the publicity/legal battle to fight...because it's Taylor. Was it a bad move on Taylor's part, if it was solely her, yes and no. Protecting your IP is always your burden. Especially to someone like Taylor who we've seen values her IP (as she should...as all artists should). She also adds people to her writing credits, even though they may have contributed one word or part of a phrase. She seems to really value giving people credit as a principle. Did it come at a cost? Yes. We see people, even her fans and especially her haters, paint her as this mean lady who will rake a young new artist over the coals for a cut of the pie. Whether it's solely her or not, she's the bigger target. What could she have done if it was St. Vincent or Jack? Convince them not to claim their work? Either way Taylor loses in public opinion. Did Olivia learn a valuable lesson? Definitely. In the music industry, even interpolation or heck even inspiration can have legal/financial ramifications.

sarah

im CRYINGGGGG at "cause when u've got nothing nice to say u shouldn't say anything at all" and emily's hand over the mouth HELPPPPPP

Matthew Gordon

EMILY! BONNIE! I need you guys to fathom if the whole ā€œJacob Cribon has been working on TS12 since early 2025ā€ is even real? And who he is!? What kind of sound could we hear?! Last time we got a new producer, Aaron, was when we got a genre shift to folk which was the most superior thing of all time! What now!?!

chatsandreacts

Iā€™m confused, whatā€™s it got to do with swiftogolist?

Maggie

And me! :)

Patrick B

I thought the same thing about the paternity testing until Tortured Poets. The title track is so obviously about Matty, and she also talks about Jack and Lucy. However, I think the more ambiguous songs donā€™t need to be decoded as closely when they feel like theyā€™ve been inspired by multiple people. Itā€™s tough.

Patrick B

I also agree about the Patreon members. This is a safe space; as a member, I donā€™t want the negativity either!

Sophia

Girls can you please react to the new Lucy Dacus album? It's AMAZING and I simply must hear your superior thoughts!

Kara Norton

The lyric in SLL is ā€œmy friends said it isnā€™t right to be scared/every day of a love affair/when youā€™re not sure if HE wants to be thereā€ - sheā€™s clearly saying Joe didnā€™t want to be there! Just like in fresh out the slammer ā€œhe was with her in dreamsā€. My take is that the Matty healy stuff has gotten out of hand, if you read the ttpd epilogue she says it wasnā€™t a love affair, it was a manic delusion episodeā€¦.

dotty

TAYLOR DONā€™T NEED NO BENNY EMILY I AM DEAAAD

Grace

No because now i need the selena album reaction (at least on patreon) because i fear we would be all be agreeance

joy

I feel like everyone takes the situation to be incredibly personal, but the whole thing is about credits which is just business. Proper crediting for similar sounds after release happens *all* the time. But even more like someone else pointed out the details aren't even available its just the public speculating.

Annika šŸ“Melb, AU

Oh absolutely and I love how Bonny and Em talk about lyrics wholistically.

Takara

I think she does work with women tho? Haim, Lana, Florence, Gracie - like she does write songs with other women. Maybe itā€™s not entire albums but personally I donā€™t need that

Gina Gould

I really love the Selena album! I canā€™t stop listening. And Iā€™ve never listened to any of her past albums, but always enjoyed her radio hits. I love to production of it. And the lore, healing, etc. that these songs give with everything from her and Justin.

Amy Versprille

I still listen to the old alumna on vinyl and steam the new versions so I get he best of both words

Christine

So, Taylor started dating Travis after she had started the Eras tour, therefore, this is the 1st significant stretch of time the two have been able to spend together unencumbered by their jobs (since the Super Bowl when his break started early Feb). Practice starts back up for him mid-July, so I donā€™t see Taylor releasing anything before then. If I were her, Iā€™d enjoy the free time they are having now without having to promote anything or fine tuning details surrounding any kind of release.

Karen Valentino

Actually, the love affair sheā€™s referring to could be between her and Matty, and she could have doubts about Matty truly being willing to commit. She went so far as to tell Jack about being afraid he (Matty) might ā€œscrew things upā€ with her and that he might leave. And although her attachment to Matty felt delusional in the end, I can imagine it felt real while it was unfolding.

Midori

Thatā€™s true, joy. I think that the emotional or personal viewpoint often comes into discussion because itā€™s hard to ignore the power dynamic of the two individuals in this particular case. I personally do not find the debate over whether Taylor/her team asked for credits worth discussing, as we simply donā€™t know and likely never will (and often leads to unnecessary speculation or negativity, often towards Taylor). What I do find interesting and worth discussing is the moral question of whether she/her team should have accepted it in the end (regardless of who initiated) for this particular song given her power in the situation and the precedent it sets for younger, often powerless artists. I think itā€™s an interesting larger discussion to have and is not as simple as ā€œpoor Olivia, mean Taylorā€ OR ā€œTaylor did nothing wrong, itā€™s just businessā€ which are two takes I often see. I think itā€™s quite topical and relevant to the current music industry today.

Christine

BUT, she also said in The Great War, ā€˜telling me to punish you for things you never didā€™ and ā€˜looked up at me with honor and truth so I called off the troops.ā€™ For me, these lyrics meant she thought he cheated, and she might have accused him, but realized she was wrong.

Christine

Why would she keep renewing the trademark for Rep TV if itā€™s not going to happen? The trademark has been extended to 8/16/25 and I donā€™t think it can be renewed again after, so if weā€™re getting it it has to be before this date (if any legal experts out there correct me if Iā€™m wrong).

may el

love you two but i can not stand how y'all talk about olivia šŸ˜­ i think a 18 year old is allowed to be naive and she was a teenager blowing up in this industry and if the same thing happened to taylor, the reactions would be very different.

Christine

The ā€˜finding a breederā€™ comment was pre-Taylor and a joke he made with his brother on their podcast. Jason had said their mom was visiting him and if I remember Travis said something like ā€˜man why doesnā€™t she visit me,ā€™ and Jason said, ā€˜have some grandkids and youā€™ll see her all the time.ā€™ To this Travis joked that he guessed heā€™d have to find a breeder to get his momā€™s attention, love, or be her favorite kid, something to that effect. It was all fun ribbing between siblings.

Renee S Smith

He's training now. Its unknown if she is with him.

Foxy_Tatty

I love you guys and I think youā€™re brave for putting your opinions out there. I think Taylorā€™s perfect too, even through her flaws. And you guys are perfect too šŸ˜˜

ChloƩ

Yes thereā€™s a difference between constructive criticism and straight up hate and some fans on social media really canā€™t make the difference which is really sad and makes it a very scary placeā€¦

Yazeed

WAIT YOU GUYS WATCH SEVERANCE!!!!! I WOULD DIE TO GET A REACTION

Jenna

Yay for wearing your natural curls Bon! I always think they look spectacular :)

Zoe

I donā€™t think they talked about Olivia harshly? I think they were just saying Taylor is their gal and they wonā€™t delve into that as they canā€™t comment on what actually happened.

Zoe

Love this video ā¤ļø I totally agree with you guys that Taylor canā€™t exactly wake up one day and say ā€˜Iā€™m going to collab with a different producerā€™ (male or female) as the world so desperately wants to know her inner life - itā€™s probably a very scary thought for her to write openly with someone who she is not also close to. Like her writing so long London with some person she approached JUST to do something different ? No that couldnā€™t happen. We wouldnā€™t have got that song. I think she also does release very different albums with jack and Aaron - we have midnights and evermore from the same trio. Both very different albums. She also does include women a lot in her video production, set design, collabs on songs etc. she gave so many up and coming artists a stage on the eras tour. She does her best to support others without it damaging her craft or threatening what she has built and I think thatā€™s all we can expect to be fair .

Zoe

I think one of the songs Olivia actually said it was inspired by New Yearā€™s Day? Or demoed or something . There was one she deffo acknowledged. I also personally think they do sound very similar. But I hear what you are saying about her being young and itā€™s important to consider Taylor at that age too and that might help us swifties have some empathy. I do think the business of it all / logic has to come into it, I donā€™t think this is uncommon to happen. I think because itā€™s Taylor and Olivia - it hit news in a major way

Linnea H

but why should she? taylors life and time are not a charity case and she is not obligated to help anyone just because they happen to be women

V. Babida

Same! I almost posted on the singles reaction after listening to the album to let the girls know that they should skip reacting bc itā€™s an atrocious album lol but still would love to see the footage

Hannah

There is room in the world for both :) I adore them all

Hannah

Fully agree!

Hannah

I love him. Different creators are different people and needs to create the content that is authentic for them. We get to chose to whom we give our time. I think it is well clear he is a die hard swiftie that always explains his reasoning for good and critical reviews or comments on her work. His opinion not reflecting your own does not make him negative, Iā€™m sure we can all be more open minded than that? I personally love his commentary and I absolutely love Bon and Ems joyful approach to their content as well. Both can exist in the world and we can all chose to support either or both šŸ«¶

Sarah

This is so interesting to me because I would have to say I see the opposite. While I have no interest in Joe beyond his relationship to Taylor I have found myself becoming kind of defensive of him since the breakup because I see so many posts that go so hard on him all over socials. I have come to realise over the past few years that I am a ā€œJoeā€, not a ā€œTaylorā€ so perhaps I have a more empathetic view of him for that reason. I donā€™t want to excuse everything or invalidate Taylorā€™s feelings but I will say I completely understand his inability to cope with Taylorā€™s fame - although I love her, I am honest enough with myself to know that I too would not be able to handle it. It frightens me. Add the mental health concerns Joe suffers from on top of that and itā€™s a recipe for disaster. Itā€™s clear from what Taylor has told us in the TTPD prologue that she broke up with Joe - ā€œand in one conversation I tore down the skyā€ - so he was clearly still committed to her and the relationship to a degree. We do not know what conversations they had about marriage, perhaps Joe was always up front about not wanting it and Taylor ignored this or thought she could change his mind? We have no way of knowing. I think that if the shoe was on the other foot there would be an outpouring of sympathy for Taylor. Obviously weā€™re all here because we love Taylor so of course weā€™re not going to feel that strongly about Joe, but I think a bit more empathy towards him would go a long way!

Laura

I would be surprised if her plans revolved around his schedule šŸ˜‰

Claudy

I definitely see your point, but I donā€™t think itā€™s as simple as that. Relationships like she has with Jack and Aaron are not easy to come by. Especially for someone with her level of fame. You need an immense amount of trust with the people youā€™re working with. I mean, we know the songs that appear on the albums, but for every song on the album thereā€™s a song that didnā€™t get recorded. Some of those songs might be even more vulnerable than the ones we get to hear. Imagine sharing those songs with someone you barely know.. For someone as famous as Taylor, one wrong assessment or one broken NDA might mean weeks of ā€˜front pagesā€™. And letā€™s not forget that sheā€™s been working with Laura since 1989..

Claudy

Sheā€™s allowed to be naive.. Thereā€™s just a consequence. Every time Iā€™m being naive thereā€™s a consequence, same for a millionaire 18 year old. A consequence that her team handled for her. And she mightā€™ve been 18 at the time, but we often forget about the massive teams surrounding the artists. Those people are the ones that failed. I personally think that the whole situation has been blown out of proportion to be honest..

Claudy

I would love an ā€˜exploratory albumā€™. Where she works with different people, tries different styles of music. Different features, collaborations, types of projects. Something way out of her and our comfort zones. Just to shake things up.

Laura

I can't believe you picked two of my comments and I'm honoured you saved one of them for last! šŸ˜ To clarify about what I meant regarding her adding ATW10 lyrics at a later stage: The 10min version was marketed as "the original" i.e what it would have sounded like if she hadn't had to cut it down, at least that's how I perceived it. But I didn't mean my comment in a judgy way, actually I just think it's fascinating that only very few people know what the actual original sounded like and what she changed when rerecording. I would LOVE to hear demos from back then but I guess we will never know!

DeeAnne Herron

ME! was the perfect 1st single! It was her first opportunity to tell her who shall not be named "I promise that you'll never find another like..."! #noscooters Fortnight was also perfect because of the video. She goes from a cell, to work release, to a hospital to a boy calling her. And even though she told him that "the rain is always gonna come if you're standing with me" and he walked straight into it and held her hand. He held the "lightning rods" hand! šŸ’• Keep directing those videos, Tay!

sharon teles

47:19 "its the climb" šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

Marissa

I actually kind of agree about Debut, she was so young when she made it, maybe she would prefer to just buy that one back? (And maybe release some vault tracks to go with it?) That is a question I have, won't she eventually be able to buy her original albums back, once their value goes down enough?

Ran

Itā€™s weird to me that people are speculating why sheā€™s ā€œpushingā€ rep and debut and ā€œslowing downā€ with the re-recordins because.. thatā€™s just not true??? Just because WE thought and expected rep to come out during the eras tour it doesnā€™t mean she slowed down and pushed it further to ā€œlet the hate train cool downā€, she literally put out a 31 song brand new double album how is that slowing downšŸ˜­šŸ˜­ thatā€™s the same pace and pattern that sheā€™s been showing with the whole tv project- 2021 two re-recording, 2022 new album, 2023 two re-recordings, 2024 new album, Only in 2024 we got a DOUBLE ALBUM, and imagine seeing us sitting here calling it ā€œslowing downā€ thatā€™s crazy to me. I cant tell what next or when rep and debut are coming but the fact is so far sheā€™s been releasing things in the same pattern and gaps, and if she releases rep and debut this year in 2025 it falls just right into the usual timeline that we are used to getting things for the past few years. I think people got so addicted and cought up in the theories that they feel like Taylor must be pushing it away from us but the truth is sometimes we are to harsh with expectations and nobody notices her pace never slowed down itā€™s just us rushing itā€¦

may el

my comment was referring to not just in this video but all the other times they have talked about her (that i've seen)

Enzo Reis

Girls please do a reaction to Henry Come On by Lana WE NEED YOU GIRLS LISTENING TO THIS OFFENSIVE SONG. šŸ„ŗāœØ

Enzo Reis

Video suggestion: listening for the first time or re-listening Lorde's both unreleased tracks "Silver Moon" and "Invisible Ink" watching the performance for both songs, listening the song and reading the lyrics. And then watching the "What Was That?" (Snippet) + Thoughts and expectations for L4.

Leah Rose

I think this is fair, but my point isn't to say I think Joe physically cheated on her. My point is that Taylor has brought up a "her" in some capacity multiple times now in relation to Joe during the ending stages of their relationship. And for a lot of people thinking about wanting to be with someone else in a dying relationship is a moral grey area and may be considered cheating. But I think there is enough lyrics in her songs to suggest he was thinking about someone else and I don't think it's a far stretch and I don't think he's a villain for it if he was.

Emma

To the anouncing at Award Shows: I feel Like I got the Vision at the Vmas because These are (Mainly of completey?) Fan Voted. I think that made it feel tactfull und kind of like a thank you. Also taylor was a tiny bit smaller back than and I get the business desicion behind it, because it was the first part of marketing not only for midnights but also for the eras tour. At at the Grammys, an academy voted show it didnā€™t feel fitting for me because the academy and the other artists in the room are not her target audience and probably donā€™t care that much. Also I feel like to the artists themselves itā€™s a much bigger deal to win a Grammy than a vma and I get the frustration if the focus is being shifted away from that and on top of that once again to the biggest artist who doesnā€™t need publicity in that moment. In a way it kind of came off as showing off her fame and I think some people didnā€™t like that it kind of didnā€™t felt humble, because obviously she planned on winning an award. However it it wat it is and personally feel that it was fine, but I am hoping for different approaches in the future.

Leah Rose

Hi Sarah! This may be naive of me to say, and I accept it, but when I look at Taylor's lyrics, I choose to believe what she tells me. I obviously leave room for nuance and dramatizations, there's clearly liberties taken in adjectives, dates, the EXACT way conversations unfolded and all that and I choose to take it all with a grain of salt. But I believe the way she writes about her muses is an accurate picture of how they treated her in the relationship. When I see a lyric like "you sacrificed us to the gods of your bluest days" or "choose something, risk something, I've got nothing to believe unless you're choosing me" it's hard for me to view the breakup as simple as "Taylor chose to break up with him". She's made it's apparent she wanted to be married to him since Lover. She literally said "i wouldn't marry me either." She literally "died at the altar waiting for the proof." I'm not sure how much more clear it can be than that. She wanted to be married, he didn't and lots of resentment built and the details of how it ended I think are messy. But I choose to believe her when she says she wanted to be married, he didn't, and he didn't want to choose her in that way. There are so many lyrics of Taylor painting herself as the bad guy in this relationship with Joe. False God, Afterglow, The Archer, The Great War, etc. And it's like the on time Taylor really shows kind of a "bad" side so to speak to him, we seem to gloss over it. Maybe "you sacrificed us to the bluest days" doesn't hit hard for a lot of people. But having been in a relationship with someone who weaponized their mental health against me, using it as a reason to not commit, it hits VERY hard. I don't think he's a villain, I don't think there are any villains in this relationship. But I resonate deeply with how Taylor has felt in some of these lyrics and so of course that clouds my perspective for sure!

Leah Rose

Personally I think it's okay for them to stand more on the side of Taylor. I constantly see people in this Patreon defend Olivia to the high heavens and on social media in general. I find it refreshing that there are people who actually think Taylor isn't a villain in this situation. I for one do not think there are any villains in this situation and people acting like Olivia is a helpless victim and Taylor is the aggressor, or vice versa, are not founded in any sort of evidence. It's all speculation. And Taylor has definitely taken more heat for it than Olivia. In general for the people who are aware of this situation, I regularly see people harshly paint Taylor as this horrible person who attacked Olivia regarding the song-writing credits. Olivia herself said it was in between legal teams and she was bright and bushy tailed and didn't realize how it all went down. Jack said he was surprised by the credits. That's pretty much the extent we know. So I think it's okay for Emily and Bonny to take it the way they do. I don't think anyone in the situation is in the wrong honestly.

C

The Matty Healy rewriting of history and completely misunderstanding everything Taylor said in TTPD is my villain origin story lol

Krystal

mr milkshake :D

kayla ramoutar

whoever wrote the comment about not feeling a lot of love for ttpd because of the matty-connotations. SAME. thank you for saying it. the songs are good objectively but it's hard for me to get into some of them because of how much he's just... hovering around it. i've never felt like this about any of her other bfs or albums, either. i just don't like him AT.ALL. lol and it's permeating the album for me. my favourite songs on the album are either the ones not about him *or* one that i feel is relatable to my own life and therefore i don't think about him lol

Phia

totally agree that Taylor has full agency and that her choices are completely up to her (no fans should demand what she does with her artistry), but i do think using the term ā€œcharity caseā€ for referring to uplifting female directors/professionals in an industry that can undervalue their work is not a fair outlook.

Madison Sturdevant

I genuinely think Rep & Debut TV would hit SO much harder AFTER an update on TS12. I want to hear how in love and good she's doing before we go back and revisit the darkest point in her career and the very first days of her career. <3

Leah Rose

It makes me sad people can't separate Taylor's personal life and muses from enjoying TTPD. That album I think is singlehandedly one of her most experimental and vulnerable albums. The mental health conversation of it all is not emphasized enough. People can't seem to get over Matty Healy being an inspiration and it honestly sucks people attribute so much of how they love the album based off of who the muse is...I feel like this is the exact opposite of how Taylor wants fans to listen to the album and I for one am never thinking about Matty when listening to the album, I'm thinking about my own experiences. It's sad that people can't separate those things. They are missing out on a true masterpiece of an album.

Ashlyn

Totally agree!!!

Mads

Em saying "I'm thinking about this scrawny little rat" was sooo relatable šŸ˜‚I've grown to really like TTPD but it will never be my favorite for that reason. The connection to Matty is just too hard to totally ignore for me.

Mads

Totally agree! This discussion has really helped put into words why TTPD will never be my favorite

kayla ramoutar

I also am sad that I canā€™t separate it. I donā€™t want to tie them together ā€” Iā€™ve never done this with other boyfriends or albums. My hate for him is so deeply ingrained that certain songs are very hard for me to remove him from. There are a few but the title track the most.

Sam

I donā€™t think they have talked harshly about Olivia, but I agree that Taylor is in the wrong if what actually happened is what it seems. Itā€™s just punching down. I think a drawback to being the biggest star in the world is you have to pull your punches sometimes because the impact is too negative for the other person. This ties into announcing new music at the Grammys too. Sheā€™s too big of a deal and thatā€™s her cross to bear unfortunately.

Laura

Very well said Emma!

Sam

I am appalled at the idea of Finneas or Benny šŸ˜‚ However, I do wish sheā€™d branch out a bit but Jack and Aaron hate is nonsense because it seems to me that she has almost total control and sheā€™s making the calls. I know she writes to their tracks often and they are producing but I donā€™t know how much they ever push back on her especially lyrically. Iā€™m sure itā€™s hard with her writing autobiographically and also being an unmatched lyricist but EVERYONE benefits from editors. Liz Rose editing ATW was definitely a good thing 15 years ago.. I kind of want someone in the room these days to say ā€œhey girl, no one cares about sandlots, keep the best friend lyricā€ or ā€œhey maybe not so much on the fresh out the slammer outro..ā€ I just feel like Jack and Aaron arenā€™t collabing in that way.

Leah Rose

I definitely think with time you will be able too! I remember listening to Enchanted and thinking there is NO way she wrote this about the Owl City guy lmao. And I know that that's probably more silly compared to this but it did affect my view for a long time for whatever reason but I did get to the place where I almost never think about it anymore!

Renata

that fake-dating matty opinion is one of the craziest things iā€™ve ever heard lmao BUT i do think a lot of the writing on ttpd that is attributed to matty also applies to joe. not because she was ā€œfakeā€ dating matty, but just because there were some unfortunate repeated patterns in those 2 relationships. some songs are very clearly about two different muses but in my opinion thereā€™s a lot more blurred lines there than some people want to admit. one thing i want to say about you both is that i love the way you talk about all manner of things, like even when you have opinions or interpretations i donā€™t agree with, you present them in a way that is still very digestible and enjoyable. your approach to various different music and fandom topics is always FUN to follow along with, which is incredibly different from other swiftie content creators out there. and i love your undying appreciation for taylor as thatā€™s very similar to me haha there might be things here and there that arenā€™t my favorite or donā€™t always hit but i donā€™t have any outlandish or overly harsh feelings about anything sheā€™s done. anyways done rambling now, thanks again for another great vid!!

Annie930

Hannah, thank you for saying that! I don't like the Swiftologist hate in the comments on this video! Swiftologist is GREAT! He is a genuine die hard fan! And even better than that, he takes Taylor and her artistry so seriously! So seriously that he is sometimes critical but never in a hateful way; always in a thoughtful substantive way. Chats & Reacts and Swiftologist are my two favorite Swiftie commentators. They bring something different to the table. Bon and Em chat and react and Swiftologist does more video essays in a journalistic style.

Breezy Bumbles

I was going to suggest listening to the CDs or vinyls of the original albums. I think I have the very first version of Debut before she changed certain lyrics. šŸ™„

Linds K

I also mostly prefer the 5 minute version of All Too Well except for the illegal fact that she CUT the BEST LINE šŸ˜¤ ā€œyou kept me like a secret but I kept you like an oathā€ like seriously??? Who cuts that line???

Ethan Nguyen

WE NEED THE BENNY SELENA ALBUM REACTION LOST FOOTAGE PLSSSSS FOR THE PATRONS

Annie

"never in a hateful way " yet he makes fun of the things she wears, her make up, her music, her boyfriend, her friends, her albums, ....critical is not making consistent rude content about people, the way they look or who they love..

Andrew

Oh no, I must have missed it!! I will look for it now!

elainejuliec

Bonnys hair is giving baby Taylor, itā€™s so beautiful šŸ’›

Leah Rose

I agree with you! The title track actually has some pretty cool parallels to Renegade and that song is almost definitely about Joe. Joe also has had a lot of "tortured" vibes and aesthetics since the beginning of their relationship, even that group chat, and Matty also has those some tendencies. I definitely think there was a pattern of self-sabotaging and being tortured and broody as an aesthetic for both those muses and so I agree there are a lot of blurred lines there. And I definitely think that Bonny and Emily also talk about things in a way that I truly enjoy, even when I don't agree either. I also have that underlying appreciation for Taylor and so it['s nice to just be in a space that is not overly negative and more so leans on the positive side, without shutting down negative opinions!

Leah Rose

Yeah this is so right. I don't really have any reason to believe Taylor changed her plans with Rep and Debut. Like you said, based off the pattern it's been going, her releasing Rep and Debut this year would still follow what she's been doing. If she doesn't release them this year, then I might change my tune about her changing her plans. I don't think she's on a break to let the hate train die down, I think she is on a break because that's how the timing has worked, and she deserves a break lol. She's not slowing down, we're just so used to constant Taylor content that anything that seems a little slow seems like she is taking a step back when in reality, it's just a break. In the Swiftieverse, any shift in Taylor content output always feels drastic and I think we are just SO used to being int his bubble that it's hard for us to see that what Taylor is doing is actually normal and not slowing down lol.

Leah Rose

Kara, I agree with your take. If there were more clues in SLL to indicate she is talking about two different love affairs or two different men, I might consider the "love affair" part being about Matty. Similar to Fresh Out the Slammer in which she says "my friends tried but I wouldn't hear it, watch me daily disappearing for just one glimpse of his smile" then she changes the perspective and says "all those nights YOU kept me going." Indicating two people being talked about, first Joe then talking directly to Matty. SLL doesn't have that vibe, that song is all about Joe and we already have a plethora of confirmation that Taylor was thinking/daydreaming about Matty in other songs. SLL does NOT follow that pattern though, it's about her and Joe and how he was checked out at the end of the relationship. She's indicated this multiple times in other songs that he was checking out (You're losing me in particular). And now we have multiple instances of her worrying about him being with some other woman in his head. Just seems kind of obvious to me.

Leah Rose

Exactly this. He has some solid critiques and says he is a big fan but he is INCREDIBLY rude and lacking tact when critiquing her sometimes. It borders on bullying.

Andrea Jimenez

ā€œYou have a face. And youā€™re just right thereā€ was my favorite part of this whole video šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

scout

in so long, london, I always thought taylor was referring to her and joe as a "love affair" and when she said she was scared, she meant more just like having a general feeling of fear every day she was in that relationship about the future and status of it

C

Also it's funny because Taylor is mixing muses on most of TTPD. Even when it's about MH it's also actually about Joe. Taylor even tells us this in the summation poem and in loml "all at once the ink bleeds". Idk why everyone is so hung up on muses nowadays, it's like TTPD has broken people's brains but not in a good way lol

Leah Rose

Cali, I really resonate with this. I'm a firm believer that TTPD is full to the brim of references to both Joe and Matty and there are so many lyrics throughout the whole album that can be applied to either of them. It's interesting to me that people just choose to believe the whole thing is about Matty when I don't really think there is any reason to believe that's the case.

Leah Rose

Here's what I will say that I think is food for thought. It is one thing to say you are inspired by an artist, but Olivia quite literally said that the bridge of Deja Vu is directly inspired by Cruel Summer and that she wanted it to sound like Taylor's Cruel Summer. On camera, to The Rolling Stone. Saying a specific part of your song is a direct connection to someone else's song is literally opening the door for credits to be sought, and maybe it's not directly copying but it's definitely saying "I heard the bridge of this song and I want my bridge to sound that way." I mean...I don't really know what people would expect in this scenario. I could be wrong, but the entire time I've been a fan of Taylor I have never heard her once say that her songs are directly inspired by someone else's song, going as far to even name which part of the song she got inspiration from and she wanted it to sound like. I think honestly Olivia's team should've caught it before and had credits added from the beginning, not later on. Olivia was quite willing to say on camera that she wanted the bridge of Deja Vu to sound like the bridge of Cruel Summer. If you're willing to do that as an artist, I also think you should be willing to provide credit where credit is due. My hope is that legal teams were cordial and that Taylor was kind to Olivia about the situation and vice versa, but I truly believe nobody was in the wrong in this situation.

C

This is why the re-fathomings are really rubbing me the wrong way. I watched the Midnights one but I couldn't get more than a minute into the evermore one after willow was being made out to be about MH šŸ˜­ because it's not just oh, this is an opinion or an interpretation I disagree with, it's such a blatant misunderstanding of her art that I really struggle to sit through it. Treating her art like you're looking for clues about what man it's really about, like there's some hidden secret that's been there all along, when--if you just listen to the story she's telling--it's very clear. folklore and evermore were fictionalized so that Taylor could process the issues in her relationship. She was not pining for Matty Healy. "this song is about you, you know who you are" on stage during Cardigan -> "swirled you into all of my poems" is Taylor admitted she was retconning things to be about him that weren't actually about him because she needed to rewrite the story so it would make sense for her and Joe to not end up together, because that reality and outcome was so hard and so painful she couldn't face it. I feel like a broken record at this point but I just don't get how this is getting so twisted around. If people could just stop treating her art like an easter egg hunt this would be a nonissue.

Ran

Exactly

Siren

i've always thought it was cool that she directed her own videos. i feel like no one is gonna bring the vision to life the way she will, and she has the money & resources to truly get her vision across the way she wanted it to. but i will say, if she were to call anyone, i'd like her to call joseph kahn?(i'm ready for it biased lol)

Madison Sturdevant

A re-recording documentary could also definitely include a bit of an Eras Tour documentary within itself, since that is something she's done during the re-recording process and essentially was able to do because of everybody re-visiting her old work through the re-records.

Renata

YES thatā€™s such a good point about the tortured man group chat!! thereā€™s a reason why everyone thought that was a joe call out when we first got the title lmao. ultimately they both had very similar impacts on her: unfulfilled promises, earth-shattering heartbreak, refusal/unwillingness to step up and be the man she believed they could be, on top of being caught up in their own issues that negatively impacted her (renegade is a great call back there). she herself makes the ā€œout of the oven, into the microwaveā€ analogy in the summation poem, both do the same things but one over an extended period of time, one in a much shorter time frame.

Freya šŸ«¶šŸ»

are u gonna put lanaā€™s latest singles on patreon before youtube? let me know, love u both x

Kaylee

I'm sorry but if you think Taylor needs to move on from Jack and Aaron, you need to be doing some inner work and asking yourself why you think that. Why do you expect her to pivot and reinvent herself every era? If it's because you think Taylor is not being as creative as she could be, then that's like telling an oil painter that their paintings would look better in watercolor and they need to use a different medium. You don't have to force yourself to love ALL her music to be a fan. She has so many other songs you can revisit and appreciate. Or you can simply move on. like Bonnie said, there's probably just a huge level of trust she has with Jack and now Aaron. She needs that in order to give us the amount of depth and vulnerability that she knows we love and knows what makes her a good artist. I don't think she would still be making music at the capacity she does if she didn't have that.

Brent

Just had a fathoming about "Sanctimoniously performing soliloquies" --- She's probably using relatively obscure words because the people who do those hate monologues use indirect language to try to soften their point to the reason part of our brains and weasel their way into the emotional part where they can do more damage. I don't know if any of that's true lol but it feels right right now

Jeebs

I worked Apple Retail when U2 put their album on every device. The amount of people who came to the store thinking their device had a virus on itā€¦šŸ˜‚

Daphne

"You just have a face and you're right there" towards the end made me lose it šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

Monica

I just wanna say that, as a hard-die fan of Taylor for 15 years, it's a bit strange to take credit for a song you didn't take any part of creating. I am not saying she is 100% at fault, we don't know what truly happened. Nevertheless, imagine being a 17 year old girl excited to promote her music and to be in that environment and then receiving this treatment from your idol. And also, why don't we give Olivia some grace from her naivitee? It's not like Taylor was as experienced as she is now when she started in the music industry. It seems like you truly don't like Olivia which would be fine, but let's try to be objective here. Other than that, really loved the video!

Jeebs

I think bringing Sabrina on tour was a way to sort of ā€œget backā€ at Olivia.

Ran

I think Taylor not only has every right to announce anything anytime at any award show, and not only I think itā€™s so fun to have this exciting event and a live announcement, but sheā€™s by far the hardest working most productive artist in the industry at her peak and sheā€™s making HISTORY and creating a LEGACY. The eras era will be remembered forever and the impact of her hyper-releasing content will be felt for years. I think the TTPD announcement was just insane and a punch in the face of everyone who underestimated her, or and to think about the temporary ā€œhateā€ ā€œtaynegativityā€ as a motive around that subject is missing the point in my opinion. If other artists ā€œwant the spot lightā€- they should go to the studio and get it themselves. Thatā€™s what Taylor did and sheā€™s enjoying the fruits and letting us enjoy too! And it just doesnā€™t sit right with me that swifties canā€™t see that, this is a dream come true for us as a fandom and those moments in her carrer will be iconic! Sheā€™s phenomenalllll

KC

Whoever submitted the theory about the NDAs and it being a trojan horse for Joe in some waysā€¦. You got me lol im on board

KC

Yes! Totally feels in line with ā€œthe empathetic hunger descendsā€ in How Did It End, like saying something in a way thatā€™s seemingly well meaning/intended but still doing damage

Gabrielle Lyons

That's how I feel too. Plus even if something does feel repetitive, that's perfectly ok! She doesn't always have to do something new and crazy. She's just raised her own bar so many times that sometimes, our expectations are a little too high. And I also feel the same about her not needing to dim her light to make other artists feel better. I understand when she does it for her friends. Like Sabrina and Gracie or Ed. That's super sweet. But for everyone else, nah. She worked her way to the top and she deserves her crown. Anti-Hero just showed how she always feels like the biggest person in a room. It's something she's insecure about. And it's completely not her fault.

Katie Stock

The only reason I feel that the ā€˜it isnā€™t right to be scared everyday of a love affairā€™ is about the muse is because she follows up with ā€˜every breath feels like rarest air when youā€™re not sure if he wants to be thereā€™ which makes it seem that sheā€™s afraid of him leaving / cheating

Erin S

Joe had to knowā€¦ see ā€œExileā€.

Erin S

I agree. It doesnā€™t have to be seen as accusatoryā€¦ she was in a relationship with someone who was kind of phoning it in with her. When you feel someone pulling away from you or has gone lukewarm, itā€™s natural to have that feeling and fear that, if they arenā€™t 100% in it with you, then they are susceptible to falling in love (or lust) with someone else.

camcam73 hunna

I can see why prolonging. TV project could be a bad thing, Its not generally a good thing to keep people locked onto their screens, although the blame is all on the consumer, much to think about Iā€™m just clocking this is the ā€˜something badā€™ Guysā€¦..

Maggie

I think if there was initially any thought that deja vu sounded or took from cruel summer olivia et al would have given credit, like she did with the new years day interpolation. For a kid getting so much hate for inspiration and people justifying that she should have to pay for that or boo to bad for her is nuts to me. So many songs use the same melodies and progressions because there is only so much you can do with 12 music notes used in western music. Adam Neely does a great breakdown of this on youtube using good for u, misery business and we are never ever getting back together. He also does a great breakdown of the Ed Sheeran/Marvin Gaye lawsuit. It's too bad to see the rift between taylor and olivia :( i think it would have been so cool to see them colab in some way (whether in song, on stage, etc.)

Maggie

I remember being mad that an album i did not ask for was taking up precious space on my ipod šŸ˜­šŸ¤£

Cassidy

Yes, I completely see when sheā€™s hinted at what may have transpired with Joe. I was just flabbergasted that people were convinced this song was about Matty

Hannah

Well again, we get to chose to whom we give our time. You really shouldnā€™t follow him and engage with his content if it makes you feel this way.

Raven Patzner šŸ‡ØšŸ‡¦šŸ«¶šŸ»

I do really find the over saturation of the eras tour songs on TikTok made those songs mean a little less to me? Itā€™s weird I just think of the eras tour and how it looks visually and I canā€™t focus on just the music. A break is good to re appreciate it every now and again!

skizzo

I like her giving us words we dont know. I will never get over the meaning of "lovelorn" on Slut. It changed the feeling of the song and emphasized its melancholgy and yearning, the understated sadness of that song

skizzo

I love We Were Happy ā¤ļø

Kristy

Agreed. I think people are stuck on the modern/common use of the word affair to mean cheating but a ā€œlove affairā€ by definition is just two people who love each other. But really I think it could be either meaning, and I think she knew that when she chose the phrase.

Kristy

Like even just little snippets haha

Tara Bartley

Iā€™ve thought the ā€œit isnā€™t right to be scared every day of a love affair ā€œ was about the relationship Taylor and Joe were in themselves. A relationship can be referred to as an affair like in the manuscript when she says ā€œnow and then she re reads the manuscript of the entire torrid affairā€ and sheā€™s talking about her own relationship as the affair. I think sheā€™s saying that her friends told her that it isnā€™t right to be in a relationship that youā€™re constantly scared youā€™re going to lose because you should feel safe in a relationship. When she says ā€œevery breath feels like rarest air when youā€™re not sure if he wants to be thereā€ I connect that to ā€œyou swore that you loved me but where were the clues?ā€ Heā€™s saying he loves her so sheā€™s hanging on to the love affair aka her relationship with Joe, but even though heā€™s saying it, heā€™s not showing it. So when he does show it and give her little glimpses to cling to, those are the breaths that feel like rarest air. But sheā€™s scared of the relationship with him bc sheā€™s not sure if he wants to be there

Erin M

Because Taylor Swift directing her own videos has come up so much on this list, I think a good video idea would be ranking the Taylor Swift music videos. Seeing what you like and analyzing them might put new perspective into yours and our minds. Maybe weā€™ll see if not liking Taylor Swift directing her own videos is actually an unpopular opinion or not

angel (plnkblue)

On the topic of Taylor working with more female producers/songwriters, I really really agree with all of Bonny's points. While I would always welcome and love to see new collaborators in the TSCU (Elvira get behind me babe they don't get you like I do sfsdfds), I also will never understand people who expect or demand her to change her workflow and creative process just to appease a selective few who can't be bothered to check out new artists/producers on their own time. And truly, that's what rubs me the wrong way about all of this conversation about Taylor "needing" to work with new producers. People are so weirdly incapable of just.... doing the work themselves. We live in an age where people refuse to expand their own personal tastes, and will only listen to new things if it's recommended to them by an algorithm or presented to them by someone they already know. When people say things like "I want Taylor to work with new producers so I can be introduced to new people's work," they are feeding into this behavior directly. People want Taylor to behave like a TikTok algorithm or generative AI model, serving them up new creative collaborators because they don't want to do the work of finding new music on their own. They don't genuinely care about finding new music, because if they did, they would just admit to themselves that they no longer vibe with Taylor's current sound and instead take time to go and find new artists on their own who matched the vibe that they want. Like Bonny said, Taylor's art is not a charity case. If people genuinely want new sounds, they need to put in the work and search for that themselves, rather than expecting her (or any artist, for that matter) to cater to their specific wants and needs.

Elizabeth

Right? I only had a 4gb iPod nano at the time, that storage space was precious! I figured out how to delete it from my iTunes library pretty quickly lol!

Carla

I would love to see you react to other artists! For example, Clairo's album Sling fits your vibes! Produced by Jack and the lyricism is INCREDIBLE

Guy Whiteman

Call me crazy but Iā€™m rewatching this video and fathoming that after the re-records are done, other than new music, does anyone fear that she may release vaults from Lover to TTPD or as we get more information through newer music, she could release more vault songs across her discography that she hasnā€™t yet released from the re-record vaults. Surely there are more vault songs from the re-records that she is sitting on or like NTWDT where she said in the voice memos that she struggled to find the melody/production etc. for that song. I dunno, I just fear that theyā€™ll be more than the re-recordsā€¦ she may take pages from other artists books like BeyoncĆ© and do a visual album or her doing the vaults could spur other artists to continue to release vault tracks from their previous albums and discography. I mean look at Ariana and Sabrina, you could argue that the deluxes of ES and SAS could be their vault tracks. Thoughts? šŸ’­

Amy Vega

The only stolen song I listen to often from Taylor is Last Kiss because itā€™s my favorite Taylor song ever and the new one just sounds so different and I just canā€™t hear the emotion in her voice as much. But I bought that album off iTunes years ago so Iā€™m not streaming it or anything.

Rhonwena

Taylor used to wear logo outfits all the time especially during the 1989 times nothing to do with travis in my opinion

Rhonwena

Disagree with the dropping all songs at once if it's "overwhelming" for you don't listen to them.

Cat Tulo

I feel like there are DEFINITELY songs from the last few years that she literally could not release without us (and probably Joe himself) knowing that she was in love with someone else/unhappy with Joe etc. In hindsight, I still can't believe that she was able to release all those songs about it and everyone fully bought they were completely fictional and based on other peoples' stories. So I can only imagine the ones that had to be cut, especially the ones she wrote WITH Matty for Midnights!! I think it's soo intriguing that Matty meant so much to her but none of the songs he co-wrote made the album.

Cat Tulo

Listen I love Jack and Aaron sooo much, but I don't think it's a crime for music fans to think it would be cool for Taylor to create with other musicians. I get the "connection" aspect, but branching out can create beautiful, fresh art. She didn't have a connection with Aaron before folklore but she took a chance on him and it literally changed the course of her career. She also can just try like one or two songs with a new producer, it doesn't have to be the whole album! Kinda like how she did on Midnights (that was super fun and new too!). We also know how much the producer and co-writers can affect the creative process, and I would love to see how Taylor's writing would be influenced by collaborating with more women! <3

Abigail

i could not disagree harder about the "every day of a love affair" lyric - i think she clearly means that every day of her and joe's love affair (which she does use as a phrase to describe all romantic relationships that aren't cheating, i.e., "did the love affair main you too?") she is afraid because she's not sure that joe wants to be there, so he might leave her or the relationship might fall apart. also (and i genuinely don't think she means this, but) she DOES tell us multiple times that she always had paranoia about joe cheating (if you want to go back further than ttpd, beginning with afterglow and the great war, even) when she says "they'll go home to their husbands, smug 'cause they know they can trust him" in how did it end? (implying she just couldn't quite trust joe in the end) and "he was with her in dreams" in fresh out the slammer (self-explanatory)... so the argument that it can't be about fears of joe cheating and must be about fears of herself cheating are just really unfair to her imo. whether he did cheat or she just feared it, i feel like this is an example of how some fans still like to look at joe through rose-tinted glasses and view him more kindly than taylor herself for some reason... and omg glitch is not about matty healy; that doesn't even make sense? it's about joe. you guys are going soooo far with the matty healy conspiracy theories lately it's like you've got blinkers on a little bit. :/

Abigail

correct take

Maya

"Because it is, at the end of the day it just is [perfect]. That's objective." Haha love that

Alicia Wenberg

I think she should have waited 2 weeks (a fortnight) between releasing TTDP and the anthology

Chevonne

Emily I agree about Holy Ground!!

Breezy Bumbles

Maybe Iā€™m just very easy to please but I honestly donā€™t have any complaints about Taylor. The only unpopular opinion I have is that I donā€™t have any unpopular opinions! LOL! Iā€™m just here patiently waiting for anything she decides to do. And obviously, there are albums, songs etc. that I enjoy more than others but Iā€™m genuinely interested in whatever she wants to do creatively. She doesnā€™t ever really disappoint me. Once I make a connection with an artist, I will be a loyal fan for life. Iā€™m just here to witness her journey.

Breezy Bumbles

I will also defend Jack Antonoff and Aaron Dessner until the day I die.

Fourier

In Taylorā€™s defense, yes I agree using big words isnā€™t just for decorative purposes. They also make sense within their own contexts. Itā€™s like she elevates the English language! Like ā€œtrystsā€, ā€œMachiavellianā€ and ā€œmercurialā€? They were so necessary to paint the full picture of what she was trying to say. Btw Loved the video!

Brittany Diamond

TTPD makes way too much sense as a surprise double album given how the story it tells is a double heartbreak that came as a huge surprise to us (and, in many ways, to her). The drop coming two hours later reflects how quickly Matty followed Joe, the one-two punch of it all, and the overwhelming experience of suddenly having all this wreckage to sort through. She poetically echoed and recreated her emotional experience through the rollout, prioritizing artistic honesty over making sure her audience was comfortable (as in not overwhelmed). I respect her committing to the vision despite the fact that some people will legitimately not like having been overwhelmed. The elegy really eulogized with this one. (Even the rep tease for the announcement makes too much sense: you think you're getting a Joe album but you're getting a Matty one instead.)

Sara _

I have a slightly different take on Taylor (or any other artist) using "big words" in her writing as a non-native English speaker. Compared to a lot of other languages, English can be quite "simple" - with a lot of common words being able to express multiple meanings. Using a more advanced vocabulary is a way to better control the narrative and find one word that exactly pinpoint one specific feeling without needing to make an entire section of the song about it to give the right context and avoid misinterpretation. For example, "cryptic and Machiavellian" has a different connotation than "controlling and manipulative" even though they have very similar meanings. Or "sanctimoniously performing soliloquies" is a one-line reference to social media warriors that doesn't need other five sentences to make the contemporary narrative of social media performatively parasocial relationships make sense in the small-town-USA setting of BDILH - also cause people often dislike when she takes us out of the song (e.g., a lot of people don't like "I come back stronger than a 90s trend" in Willow)

Maria Lopes

watching this after Taylor got her masters back its so funny

kyle

I wish that instead of Taylor announcing her albums at award shows themselves, she could have like a whole commercial dedicated to it or something. Kind of like how lady Gaga announced abracadabra during the commercials at the 2025 Grammys, it would be super cool if Taylor did something like that during the show but not at the show!

Jade

you guys are so funny

Christina

Iā€™ve never thought of the double album & the quick drop like that šŸ¤Æ