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Secret Song RE-FATHOMING: Detroit, MI (Patreon)

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2024-01-09 04:00:02
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HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! 🎉

We are so happy to be back and we are SO excited for 2024 with all of you, our superior patreon besties 🥹 we love you so much! Thanks for sticking with us over the holiday break x

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Joe Weaver

Yay. We're back! Well, you are back.

Ethan Nguyen

how i’ve missed you guys!! i was getting worried with the chats and reacts week drought 😫😫😫😫

Viktoria

how much I've missed youuu

Jenny MacRunnel

Yayyyyy!!! I missed you guys, so happy you’re back!

Ava Jeffs

EVERYONE REMAIN CALM THE QUEENS ARE BACK IN THEIR 2024 ERA!!! hope the move and holidays were fantastic and cannot wait for the year of snakes and butterflies ahead ;)

meeksandgeeks

Detroit N1 was my show :) Everyone justifiably mostly talks about Haunted, but I Almost Do was on my wishlist and I couldn't believe that she played it.

lachdav

completely off topic but i'm hoping you guys will react to maisie's deluxe tracks from the good witch and it's honestly all i can think about since they are so superior!

lakpa sherpa

Superiorrrrr💕 Happy New Year guysss

Katie LaFave

i was there night 2!!!! i love AYHTDWS it’s in my 1989 top 5!! however, one of my fav parts of the song is the production so i didn’t love the acoustic version of it. breathe was SO SUPERIOR!! i didn’t go with my sister, but that’s her fav taylor swift song!! when she went up singing hand in the 2nd pre-chorus, my jaw dropped! any change taylor makes to a song makes me feel unreal cuz it’s just so superior!!!!

Joe Weaver

Haunted & AYHTDWS? I didn't remember them being in the same city. This was an Emily weekend! And I love I Almost Do so I would've loved that first night. Both, really. Breathe & AYHTDWS is excellent too.

Haley

MY SHOWWWW. haunted and i almost do combo truly killed me. 😫😫❤️❤️

Nathalie Richter

IM SO EXCITED! I was there Night 1 and it was the best night of my life. My boyfriend’s fave song is haunted and we’ve loved singing it with each other ever since I made him a swiftie and getting to sing it with Taylor was one of the highlights of our lives together.

Jessica

I would LOVE a sister album to Midnights! I’m not ready to leave the night sky yet 😆

Paige

Detroit N1 was my show! Yay! 💜❤️

Meg Grylls

this was my show ! 💗

miah harvey

"IS THAT EVEN REAL?!" is the quote of the day. lol

Jenny MacRunnel

Speaking of Golden Globes… you’ll have to update us on all tea that happened and your thoughts!

Jenny M

Happy New Year girls, and thanks for this refathoming of these two superior songs.

Jessica

It would be kind of iconic if Taylor released TS 11 titled “Karma” right after having dropped 1989 TV (and before Rep TV) ..because it would be like a repeat of the past, except that this time Karma (the missing album) would actually get released 👀😅 Also, karma would tie into the sky/stars/celestial/invisible string elements that she’s been alluding to in her clothing I think Karma as an album could also work as a sister album to Midnights. Midnights is a reflection of past relationships, and Karma could be what happens in the aftermath of those events/relationships 👀😅

Richard

Happy New Year! Just wondering if you will be doing a video on everything that happened at the Golden Globes. Like to see your take on it.

Emmie Kruger

Happy New Year everyone! So excited for everything this new year might bring. Bonny and Emily I hope you guys had a good rest and a wonderful new year!

River

Happy New Year to everyone! I loved getting this chatty video to kick off the year right! So many things to ponder for what may lie ahead this year! Can’t wait to experience it all you guys 🥰 PS wishing you all the best as you prepare for your move!!

Erica

I think the wintery, icy, outdoor pool made her blue..! Because you turn blue when you are cold. “… in the Icy, outdoor pool, when you jumped in first I went in too. I’m with you even if it makes me blue 🥶” hehe

Erica

Wow this video had everything and more!!! I love you guys! Missed you. 🩷

sofie sandrini

♥️ Hope it’s gonna be a Lana Del New Year 🥹🌲

Katy Magner

She played dress on 8/7 with the lyric “They have no idea about me and you” when NO ONE KNEW ABOUT HER AND TRAVIS!???? Omg

Tess7

I was so busy watching the college football national championship game, I almost missed this. Finally, my team actually won! 😊 I’m so happy to have you two girlies back! I was rewatching your night one eras tour video earlier today lol such fun watching that. My hubby got me that same calendar for Christmas lol Hope all goes well with moving

Alexandra Grant

To chat about your convo about her writing about Joe in TS11 - I think I agree that we will get little nuggets based on what she says about Travis, but I don't know that we are going to get full blown break up songs. With her releasing You're Losing Me ( and previously) Hits Different when she did I think that was her way of "closing" that chapter of her life. Midnights, Evermore, and Folklore all have nods to issues in the Joe relationship and I think, like Bonnie says, so much has happened since then. But of course you never really know until the songs are released!

Kat

I can’t wait for you to react to my shows!! If you dont say “they’re quite loud” im suing

Katie LaFave

when Taylor originally wrote breathe it wasn't inspired by a romantic relationship. it was about her old fiddler Emily who toured with her during debut era

Maria R.

Do any of you guys have or know about a ticket for any Australian show 😭. A friend told me she had an extra ticket for Sydney but then that it wasn't available anymore. And I don't want to get scammed. I hope I can manifest going to the concert thanks to this community 💕. (Bonny and Emily... thank you for making me smile on my long mom days)

Eliza

Em and Bonny!! What AUS shows are u guys going to!! Im going to Syd N1 and N2 and what section if u wanna share so i can keep a look out for u two!!

Inigo joaquin

This is just a thought u dont HAVE to do this like im still gona b a patron anyway🤭 but while theres not much taytay content you guys should more often times react to albums from other artists or even just singles (cough cough lucy dacus) its ALWAYS APPRECIATED anyways love u guys happy new year

Inigo joaquin

Guys imagine if TS11 is another sister album moment and its called DAYLIGHT (would be illegal) and its about TRAVISSS and the whole vibe is just daylight from lover and maybe some reputation vibes

MarkH

Good to see you back! I would love to see a discussion of the re-recordings, because I think people do sleep on how good some of the changes are. I see articles about how the re-recordings are "note for note re-creations", and I'm like "Have you actually listened to them?". Fearless TV was a note for note re-creation for the most part, but with every re-recording she has gotten more and more creative with changes. Clean TV, HYGTG TV, Welcome to New York TV all have changes that make them feel really different to me; brighter and sunnier, if that makes sense. Also, something I noticed in this refathoming that I completely missed the first time around is that she sings "It's getting dark and its all SO quiet" in Haunted, which is the rerecorded lyrics, not the original lyrics "all TOO quiet". I did not see anyone picking this up at the time.

abbeyeli92

I’m pretty sure that’s the official 2024 calendar which is beyond random. I’m in the UK and I have the exact same one but bigger and it’s being sold in our record shop and other retailers. I was so confused when it came out 🥴

Zosia Dabrowski

Yes I'm very keen to know Em and Bon's shows too!! I'm going to Melbourne Night 1

MarkH

On your discussion of TS11 and Joe and Travis, it seems like Joe fell in love with her despite the fact that she was Taylor Swift, but Travis fell in love with her BECAUSE she was Taylor Swift. I don't mean because of the fame, but I mean that Travis saw the whole package of what she is and chose her. That has to mean a lot to her.

Bobhog

I've really missed these weekly chats! <3

Sarah

Yes it's the same here in Canada. I was disappointed I was really expecting the official calendar to be eras tour themed for 2024, woulda been so perfect!!

Sarah

Oh cool that's interesting, I love learning little facts like this!

Sarah

Yes and 8/7 for Travis being number 87 omg her mind!! And no one picked up on it at the time!

Sarah

Oh man it was so close to being perfect but they used a pic from the IBYTAM music video for June. Whyyyy?? All the other pics are Midnights!

Sarah

Omg I loooove this!! Now I want this to happen that'd be so cool and totally iconic!!

Cristina

Maybe unpopularopinion but I hope she doesn't do a sister album to Midnight's but something new. Of course she can cover the topics of coming out of that breakup and everything that happened in 2023 but I hope it's done in a new way. We already have 11 add on songs to midnights that feel like a sister album to me and I think many people want to see her explore new collaborators etc. of course she can do whatever she wants but my wish would be to arrive somewhere new with the next project.

Kendall

You guys brought up a lot of good points about whether or not she would release TS 11 this year. I almost wonder if instead of a full album maybe she would do like a smaller EP? With like 6-8 songs? If anyone who understands music terminologies could share more that would be great haha, I’m not sure if that actually made sense - but that would be a way for her to do something smaller while also releasing new content that would blend well with the eras tour!

Nicholas Carson

My partner is a Superman Stan so that’s where I am

Zosia Dabrowski

Em and Bon and others I've got my fingers and toes crossed that we could have a meetup in Melbourne before the shows!!! I would love to meet as many of this community as I can!

Filippa

Hi giiiirls!! Do you have any opinions about everything that happend on the golden globes? If you do, I'd love to hear it!

Maria Hatch

The most ILLEGAL part of I Almost Do is when she switches the meaning in the bridge from "I don't, but I almost do" to "you're asking me if I want to try again, and I almost do" 😭 absolutely offensive to change it like that!!

F1Swiftie

The discussion part starts at 3:56 ---That's what I've always heard this song is about. Wasn't it one of her friends who left the band early on? The violin player maybe? That's what's coming to mind for me.

Ava Jeffs

I feel like she could make the concept “things written in the stars” or “wishing on stars” or “looking to stars, space, and astrology for answers” as a follow up to the midnights “what keeps me up in the middle of the night” concept. It feels like a next step and she could write an absolutely offensive caption about how humans have always looked to stars and space to CREATE the concept of time and seek clarity and peace

Meg A.

Best of luck with the move, Bonny!

Lisa

Can we appreciate the username of the person who filmed AYHTDWS? "No champagne, just problems" 😂

Lisa Kell

"Calvin was irrelevant" - YES, agreed. He also did her dirty - the money, it was all about his money and fame, and why should she give him attention in a song when all he cared about was himself. Done. Note, he still feels irrelevant, even now in his music career , or should I say DJ career.

Emmy

Damn, this is an excellent direction TS11 could take

Joe Weaver

This video made me really want the Lover refathoming/breakdown video in 2024. Lover needs a longer one anyway & we've got so many things to think about it now. Also, the I Almost Do discussion. I always wonder if it's strange that I think about certain things from the past and that nobody else does this and something is wrong with me. Which I know I'm not alone doing it and it's not like I'm obsessed by something from 7 years ago or whatever but I'll think about stuff like that at times and it's like...do they do it too? Your discussion made me think that yeah, we all do it.

alex

My first week of this new year was honestly terrible to say the least but this gives me light, so thank you for that!!🥹🥹🫶🏼

Joe Weaver

You are also so right about January. The holiday period is so exciting and then all of sudden it's like January 18th and what are we doing? It's very strange.

livia

hey it's unrelated but are you guys gonna react to any of the new bleachers singles or the new bleachers album coming on march 8th? I'm very excited and I loved the singles so far, would loooove to see your reactions

Emma Burr

My show was N2 and listening to her preform Breathe was very emotional. I was also going through a friendship breakup at the time, it was almost like she knew I needed to hear Breathe live.

Daisy Ramirez

Em's partner being a Haunted stan >>>> I LOVE that for her. 😭💜

Juliana Martinez

The way taylor sang the second verse of haunted makes me think she personally felt it. she looked mad and scathing

Lizzie Page

Bonny, you staring straight into camera fixing your hair and saying “because he was irrelevant” absolutely MURDERED me 🤣

iLaney90

In reference to Emily bringing up Eras tour starting up again with an open season on surprise songs, I'm honestly counting the days to Eras coming back and I'm clowning for a New Years Day performance night 1 in Tokyo. Because it's the New Year and the first show of the Eras Tour in 2024 🫣

M3L

She’s said during Reds original era that an ex told her listening to her album was like looking through a photo album. Always thought that could have been JG.

kayla

lol came here to say this!

Bree

i need somewhere to put this random comment- not sure if this has been said but recently i was listening to Maroon - with the lyric video on youtube - and it suddenly occurred to me that the maroon sky looks like the Lover sky, darkened. And now i think the song is about Joe and how her bright pink-purple happy skies turned dark as they had their issues and broke up. (i was thinking Harry or Joe, i think they are the guys who fit the legacy lyric)

Bree

I hope we do get more Joe songs in the next album and she doesn't just skip to being happy with Travis. Yes of course i'd love the tea but it is more about it being a new way that we'd be able to connect with her. the breakup of a long-term relationship like this isn't something we've had from her before and i want to hear the superior way she sings about all my thoughts and feelings from my long-term breakup. Also you guys talked a little bit about re-fathoming some folklore and evermore songs after the breakup - i'd watch a video on that :)

JeffreyC

We NEEEEEEED an hour long vlog when you guys go to your shows in february PLS PLS PLS PLS

Jenna Bolmgren

I’ve miss you little chickens so much!!

Katryna Schuster

Hope we here more of your thoughts about thw golden globes!!

kate

yes about the new lover breakdown but i kind of hope they wait until after TS11 for maybe some more snippets of info from taylor about the breakup. even just enough to determine which folkloremore/midnights songs might be referencing him and not another situation. because then we can really look at lover and go oh shit hahaah

Jenna Bolmgren

Em, your hair as it’s growing out is so lovely

Cohan Russell

Love you guys!! Are you going to be doing a meet up at the eras tour shows?? And what shows are you going to??

LanaJulie33

Wowww you are so right about the sky! So interesting 🫶

Dswiftie

its so great to see you guys. Hope your holidays were wonderful. Emily your hair is looking beautiful. So glamorous. Bonnie your hair is looking awesome. So long. Just wanted to tell you both how great you are looking. I am looking forward to more videos with the new year! Love you guys. bye

raheel

So so happy you guys are back 🥰 missed u!!!! Breathe was the first song back then that did it for me and then listening to fearless all the way I trough I remember just being absolutely changed, I knew back then this is it, she is it for me lol 🥹

sofie sandrini

FAVORITE refathoming so far. Talking abt mental health, philosophy, Taylor, life etc in one video, couldn’t be more perfect for me

Sacred_sunflower

Fearless had so many amazing hidden gems, breathe and you’re not sorry are serious stand out, heart breaking and gut wrenching tracks. I prefer both over white horse, personally

Sacred_sunflower

I for sure agree it’s gotta be something of a composite sketch or sorts bc it’s definitely a call back to red/jake. (Calvin high infidelity, John, would’ve could’ve should’ve, Taylor midnight rain, Harry question…?) Every ex has a song on midnights, that’s his but from the tour it’s clear she’s relating old works to new/current emotions. And her re-records have forced her into a refathoming of her relationship and breakdown with joe

alex

I want to kindly ask you girlies if it would be possible to put the melodrama breakdown on here?? It’s been taken down by YouTube … 🥺🥺 A lot of people have asked about it in the chat and on instagram, so there is definitely a demand! This breakdown was actually my first real listen to melodrama (I know, offensive) and I would love to rewatch it again (as I’m sure others want too) to continue to learn from your fathomings 🫶🏼🫶🏼

Laura Bolanos

Happy New Year 🐥💛 Breathe- such an underrated song! 🥹 As far as TS11… I was REALLY hoping onto the hope that it would be Karma - released between 1989 TV & Rep TV, to line it up chronically to her life and tie it up beautifully with Karma being track 11 on Midnights. However, if TS11 happens to be what 2023 became to mean for her, then I really hope we get an album that is more sultry and sexy (like False God and Glitch vibes). I think what she’s experiencing with Travis is very intense- a full on burning love 😍 so it would be amazing to hear the influence of that love in her music!

Laura Bolanos

Also! Have you seen the two dresses together?? Green for Taylor and blue with florals on Keleigh? Putting them together screams debut album cover 😭

Jason

I think rep vault is gonna be heavily frightful Adam coded. I think that's where we'll see the processing of her relationship with him come out more. I also feel a bit like we won't get TS11 until the tour is over or near the end. Midnights is still only a year old, and I think it would be difficult to incorporate TS11 into the tour, especially since she's already filmed the tour - it wouldn't make sense to have portions of the tour entirely unfilmed. I also think TS11 will be a bit like a rebirth after she's done collecting horcruxes with her old albums, so it makes sense to wrap up the rerecords first. BUTTTTTTTTT if Taylor wants to bless us with TS11 tomorrow there will be ZERO complaining over here.

jessie

you guys should do a little moving vlog!

lane ♡︎

Also the Hozier reaction I think was taken down I believe! Or I’m just imagining you guys did that? I’m not sure 🫠

Miantsa

Had the same thought!!

Anika W

emily your hair looks AMAZING

Jed

Yes the ending of Haunted!! "Never thought I'd see it break... Never thought I'd see it---" -> it BROKE!! (Reminds me of when the car crashes in Lizzie's 'Reckless Driving')

Emma

Yeyy so happy to see you again!! Back with new content! Looking forward to 2024 with you🥰

andria

omg my dad picked out the same exact taylor swift calendar for me for christmas gahahshahashahahahahahsh

Jenna Aguirre

Yay Detroit N2 was my night 😬

Ana Noronha

Yaaaay! Happy New Year! Loved this refathoming 🥹

Erin M

My theory is we are getting Debut on Friday December 13, 2024. Because that just makes sense

Stephanie Stevens

I was there Detroit N1 and fell to the floor when she started playing haunted

Jessie

she should just call TS 11 '2023' because my GOSH was it THE year for her!

Jessie

She is going to say some fucked up things about Travis and how superior he is! Not often does the whole fandom collectively have a crush on her current partner ...it's going to be a wild time! She needs to have a song called '87' i would DIE!!!!!!!!

Cara M

Yay! Missed youse xxx

Cara M

A little bit of a random thought but I’ve been listening to old podcasts of “every single album” and the revelation to me that some of the longest set lists before Eras have been 20-27 songs long, I think Springsteen being the longest at 27. FORTY FOUR SONGS. Like she’s fricken insane!! I don’t think it hit me fully the extent of what she’s doing with this set list and tour. Concerning and illegal.

Mad Esme at the Plaza Athénée

I think it's important for context to note that these were the first shows after the Matty breakup was announced. The invasive video of her crying in her car that was scrubbed from the internet was also taken this weekend in Detroit. Having this in mind, the Haunted lyrics hit especially hard: "He will try to take away my pain And he just might make me smile But the whole time I'm wishing he was you instead". She was definitely doing some fathoming for a few weeks there.

Jenna Bolmgren

Will we ever get caught up?? I’m dying to get more SS refathomings! LFG chickens!

Christiana Somers

Okay so hilariously I ended up with THE SAME CALENDAR when I asked my mom for a Taylor Swift calendar (she gets a new calendar for me every Christmas) and that was the only one she could find and like it’s cool and nostalgic but very confusing….

Hayden

i know this is so delayed comment, but i’m pretty sure i read somewhere that the surname ‘alwyn’ meant friend hence the emphasis of ‘it’s nice to have a friend’ on lover. which may have been so relevant and heartbreaking singing the lyrics ‘feeling like i just lost a friend’ 🥲

Taylor

Detroit was my weekend and I managed to go to both shows! Haunted is in my top 2 favorite songs, and I was manifesting it so hard! Although I hoped she would play in on the piano. I lost my mind when she announced Haunted! You have to remember this was right after the Matty break up, and the girl was going through the feels this weekend! You could feel it, especially during the surprise songs. It seemed so obvious though she was upset about Joe, Matty was just a distraction. It seemed like she was finally grieving her relationship with Joe.

Bethanie Harris

I JUST HAD A THOUGHT We know how much stars and moon vibes she’s been wearing. We also know how Joe’s love has dibs on the whole Daylight, golden light. BUT…. what if Travis is beyond this universe’s source of light (the sun) And he is CELESTIAL LIGHT STARS BEYOND OUR GALAXY THAT ARE SO POWERFUL WE CAN SEE THEIR LIGHT FROM LIGHTYEARS AWAY Beyond Golden Pure white light That pierces through our very universe.

Rick

in my opinion she didn’t wrote a direct calvin song in reputation because after the breakup he was a dick on twitter and probably he said something about her making a song about him and she took seriously and didn’t wanted to give him that

cushla

breathe is a song I related to my dog that I had to put down, and every time I hear it, it breaks me. It's such an amazing song because you can relate it to any kind of loss and it works depending on how u interpret the lyrics.

Rebecca

I was at Detroit Night 1!!

SerrenaMarie

I Almost Do never gets enough love and credit. She gets overshadowed by ATW but she is so superior and gorgeous.

krissy

I was at night 2!! 🙌🏻

krissy

Same! I came from Canada to see her that night

WeatherJoy

So you guys were talking about whether or not Taylor would share specific things about Joe with TS 11 which now we obviously have a lot more information and it’s certainly looking like some type of postmortem examination of their relationship. We’re probably going to get a lot. I had a thought about why she might not have written many songs about Calvin. I think it’s possible that it’s because she somehow knew whether Joe told her or whether she just knew that Joe wouldn’t like that whilst he was with her. Where as you know Travis is not going to be that way he’s going to be just completely supportive of whatever she needs to say. She was likely writing a lot of tortured poets, even just as she met him so, yeah…

Mi

Seeing this now, how she just stopped talking after the MH break-up? No. The speeches were so long when she was with him and then she went just quiet.

Jessica Tucker

I feel like you need to re-fathom this re-fathom now that we have ttpd go super meta

Deja Rojeski

Completely. I was at this show. This show was 4 days after she and Matty broke up. I have seen her 7 times and she was not herself. My sister and I even commented on it immediately after. Now we know why. And now I know why she chose these songs. Thank you ttpd.

Brittany DeLara

“Look at her. LOOK AT HER!!!” I feel like I say this often.

Brittany DeLara

It’s so interesting how so many things are not obvious at all but yet so obvious. Y’all talk about this frequently. And I don’t see this with any other artist. I feel like there’s something special and intriguing there. Like is it because she’s SO smart and SO vulnerable and because of her very close, intimate relationship with her fans? People make fun of us but it should really be studied. There’s a reason we feel so connected, and delusionally think we are all actual friends of her. But she encourages it and makes us feel that way. I see why people alleges she’s a witch and we’re a cult (LOL) because it’s true, real live magic. It’s beautiful really. That’s how I would describe my eras tour experience. It was beautiful. Taylor was unreal. And I suffer from so much mental health stuff and have so many traumas. I am a homebody and I don’t like people or going out. But somehow, while being surrounded by 69k Swifties, I felt as comfortable as if I was jamming in my house alone. It was a safe haven, and it was magic, and it was joy. You can’t explain it to someone who hasn’t experienced it.

Brittany DeLara

I’m sorry. Until TTPD, I Almost Do was my most relatable TS song.

Kate Harney

No speeches era feels like such a power move after TTPD. Sarahs and Hannahs get nothing now.

Deborah

Your re-fathomings are so so important, but it is fascinating to think how differently you might break these surprise songs down now. Knowing what we now know. Like, this depressive episode was so much deeper than any of us knew at the time.

Grace

“Feeling like I just lost a friend” ‼️‼️‼️ “He was my best friend and that was the worst part” (My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toys first draft)

Breezy Bumbles

I can’t even believe how many things you predicted about TS11!!!!

Sammi

Hear me out, the Eyes Open re-record is the best re-record. Made me fully fathom. Also I know places.

Sammi

Revisiting this haunted performance after TTPD…. God DAMN

Tess7

I’m back in 2025 to let you all know…..Haunted is one of the best songs she’s ever written 😎 also…..AYHTDWS is too 😁

Courtney

I can’t be convinced that haunted is about Joe in this performance given the evidence that Matty had just left her & the songs on ttpd. Like the title track is all about how she knew him better than anyone and in haunted she says “I thought I had you figured out” and “finish what you started”.

Courtney

Omg and All You Had To Do Was Stay?!?! 😭😭