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SECRET SONG Reaction: Tokyo (Night 2) (Patreon)

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2024-02-09 00:22:06
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Firstly, we just gotta say sorry about that hideous sound of the fan at the start, it is the only area of the new office that has not slayed 😂

And secondly another apology for not having a full reaction to the first surprise song, unfortunately as you can see the livestream cut out! 💔

We also deeply needed to take this moment to have a rant about all the hate this week! It's been a very exciting but also a draining week with the hate but YOU guys are our safe space on the Swiftie side of the internet, we love you so much!

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Brandon N

Was literally just checking for this🙏🏼🙏🏼

Sebastian

Oh I was waiting for you guys! The beauty of Electric Touch and the hate we re fighting to in TikTok and Twitter makes Eyes Open so obvious thesedays!

Brandon N

The hate has been so out of nowhere but im hoping it goes away after the superbowl

Jayluxx

it's really has been super frustrating to have so much taylor hate on so many corners of the internet. but i think having these spaces where we can collectively come together is super important and helpful when all the noise gets really loud.

Joe Weaver

The streams were a bit hideous. I woke up at 3:30 am and Tess' feed was down. Sometimes the technology doesn't work! It's amazing we are able to watch these from all over the world to begin with.

Char

there’s so much unnecessary hate to taylor right now. reputation is calling right now

Grif H

While a lot of the more trivial hate is more of the same stuff we've seen throughout her trajectory as an artist, I do think there is a larger conversation that needs to be had in the swiftie community about how we grapple with supporting an artist who is very notably silent or complicit in issues that are deeply impactful to people within her fanbase, especially when she has such immense social power and influence. While it's totally normal to feel frustrated at some admittedly unwarranted critique of Taylor, please remember to be open to valid criticism of her.

Char

i agree with bonnie i’m so mad at the hate i have to turn my phone off! it’s so intense rn

Sabrina 💖

she breathes and people hate on her fr

Erica

Eyes Open makes sense for her since people are hating so much right now. “Everybody’s waiting for you to break down, everybody’s watching to see the fallout” OMG AND “but now we’ve stepped into a cruel world, where everybody stands and keeps score”

Jaimi Carter

Oh I hope you guys go back and watch eyes open even if you don’t film it. I’m not a stan of that song, but the eras live version was seriously good. 🥰

Jessica

Wont the Eras Tour be the first concert movie that she actually owns all the music? Maybe that’s why she’s labeled it Taylor’s Version? 🤔

Hannah13

Guys someone is sharing your patreon only videos on TikTok again 🙃 it’s the chats and react fanpage

superscarf

I guess the social media gods are looking out for me bc I haven’t seen any hate, just people responding to hate they see. 😆

iLaney90

Folkleric's stream on twitch was working great for N2! And it's free, I didn't even need to login for it.

Zoe

swiftstream.io has been saving my life for streams lately just for anyone that didn’t know about it

sydney

Haters are so frustrated and i too take it personally lol, but thats why i am beyond grateful for both of you girls and your love for taylor and us, because ur fathomings are so needed!!!

Riya💕

The way people on tiktok ive seen pick her apart is insane. Some were like 'we dont even want to go to eras anymore". Thats fine give us your tickets pleasee😂. We would love to take them lols

Alexis

"Who are all these people and where did they come from?....If you're a part of that group, love you so much!" That had me dying because I felt so seen. I am a part of that group. Red TV DID do something, at least for me. I was a very casual fan before that who liked some of Taylor's songs, but All Too Well 10 REALLY made me fathom. That's also when I first found Chats and Reacts when I watched your reaction to it. That's when I went back to through her all albums and really paid attention and fathom. Red TV WAS a moment.

sydney

Also with taylor, people that dont like her always feel the need to talk about it, which is so weird to me. Like there are artists or celebrities that aren’t my vibe but I would never put so much (or any) effort into hating them in the way that people do for taylor

Olivia Hartz

literally deleted instagram this week because sometimes the amount of information and contradicting opinions online just feels like too overwhelming and everything with people hating taylor is adding to that

Katie K

Yesss to Eyes Open fathomings, it does kind of feel like she’s a tribute in the Hunger Games sometimes. Especially this week! She must be really feeling it. Especially being away from home.

Jenny M

I am also an Electric Touch stan, i literally play it everyday.

Shawn carni

Same! I’m like …..what hate I haven’t seen anything but people talking about it. I’m so happy it hasn’t made its way to my social media pages!!! 🫶

Annika

If Tess is live streaming there is a IG name in the corner which most of the times worked for the live when Tess' doesn’t! Last night was @coffeyatmidnight So Maybe that’s just a little tip :) love you

Amanda Mittelman

I became a fan literally weeks after Red TV because I had a close friend who was a big fan and I decided to finally give Taylor a shot. I grew up in a very religious family that didn’t listen to pop music. My parents have since relaxed on a number of things, but I’ve realized that with Taylor, all I knew growing up was the media’s portrayal of her, which was obviously SO skewed. Anyways, I went through a frightful experience with a boy, and God bless my friend, who was like…you should listen to this song…it’s ten minutes long…and I never looked back. Flash forward two years, and I know pretty much every word to every song of hers. Needless to say, it was an OVERWHELMING process getting to know all of her music. I’ve literally realized and processed childhood emotions and experiences that I’ve never given much time to. I’ve grown so much in my own confidence. And I’m so much more attuned to my emotions in the present. Also, and I don’t think I’m the only one here who can say this, but you incredible ladies of Chats and Reacts and the community are a huge part of how I’ve become obsessed so quickly and able to go back and refathom her old eras, weeding out my former misconceptions of her. I LOVE watching the folklore and evermore reactions because it feels like I get to be included in that moment of history even though I was so oblivious to it at the time, so THANK YOU for all the energy and love you’ve put into this channel and community 💛💛💛

Shawn carni

I love getting your secret songs reactions again. We are so blessed with Taylor-the gift that keeps on giving. I’ve been fortunate to be missing the hate online thank god! Love how positive you guys always are🫶🫶

Patty Minor

Oh Bonnie you posted on Instagram about your fan making noise and that’s what I’m hearing. How are you living with that noise? As far as Taylor haters I have a dil who is one of them. I’ve tried and tried to get her to listen and she just refuses and doesn’t have a good reason on why she feels that way. It’s so annoying but I’m not giving up on turning her!

Anna Mehrbilder

I did not even like the Instagram post.. I started loving her because of my daughter who LOVED Mr perfectly fine. I do not read about her, the comments make me sad, I rely on you to collect all the information for me.

iLaney90

For "Eyes Open", I'm surprised you two didn't clock how perfect that song is for this week! It's about being under scrutiny and having people trying to tear you down aka everything online since Sunday night. Going into Electric Touch after Eyes Open just emphasized for me the parts of the song that are about starting a new relationship while being afraid that the things that ended your last one end this one before it even has a chance to thrive.

Sabrina 💖

"if you're part of that group love you so much 😌😌😌" SJDJHFJSJDJHFJD

Rachael P

I totally understand your frustration. Have also been a taylor fan since the beginning and don't really understand the outside perspective and get frustrated with the hate. It's microanalysis with a huge level of cynicism that we can't understand because we know how much of a good person she is. One of my favorite music reviews is Popcast with the NYTimes. I am so done with them. Their grammy reaction episode this week was about 15 seconds of oh Taylor made history she probably shouldn't have (with some at least respectable arguments) but then launched into: "but don't you think her behavior was a bit selfish when she made history?" I'm like, do you enjoy your career move from music critics to gossip columnists?

chatsandreacts

I know! We were so silly! Until Bonny fathomed this morning 😂

Jen Mays

New Swiftie here that just joined the community late last summer. Prior to then, I didn't really have an opinion either way...I liked some of her stuff but just kinda knew her as that pop girl that is sometimes overplayed on the radio. I remember her debut because I listened to country music at the time, so I was familiar with her start and transition over to pop. My personal transition, so to speak, into a Swiftie came from being interested in seeing the Eras movie, but wanting to listen to some of her music before I saw it, so I did just a massive song dump onto a playlist and shuffled them up. I've always been a lyrics/storytelling whore (GB Mary Chapin Carpenter, my favorite ever) and that was what got me. The pop songs she's know for are one thing, but the deep dive into her catalog and the way she threads words into feelings, emotions, and images is surreal. And if a storyteller is good, they leave you wanting to learn more...down the rabbit hole I went. And here I am, on the other side, waiting for the next time she goes on tour so I can make the friendship bracelets. And I might even make a couple extra for Mary Chapin Carpenter lyrics...

Bella

Besties I think it was ATW10, when you’re talking about something happening between Red(TV) and midnights. All too well 10 was the first Taylor reaction of yours that I watched, and turned me into a full Stan since then !!! I also noticed people around me who were not swifties started talking about her around that time too, and it just felt like a shift in attitude towards her

Alberto

At the end of the day, there are two groups of people: those who love Taylor Swift, and those who love to hate her. You simply cannot be indifferent to such a blessed human being, and when your brain is too small to fathom how fucking superior and kind she is, you just start turning on her only to get some pathetic attention from other little sheep like you.

Clash Fan

On the hate, you have the normal ebb and flow like you guys were talking about and then you have what's happened the last two weeks. A lot of this is about politics in the US. It's been building for a while with quite a few of the far right pundits taking pot shots at Taylor. Candace Owens, the clowns on Fox, Ben Shapiro have all had some ridiculous crap to say. Then you had the AFC championship and that whole on the field celebration and the far right lost their mind. So now you have a lot of people that are responsible for the MAGA/Quanon cult feeding that same crowd insane stuff about Taylor. They also have Russian backing still so there are bots to deal with as well. Trump feeding into his crazies calling for a Holy War against her. What does that even mean? Bottom line is there is going to be an increase in hate and I think it's going to get worse before it gets better.

Amanda Mittelman

Aside from the singles, the only song of hers I knew and listen to when it came out was Mary’s Song 🤣 but now that song is SO nostalgic for me and I’m beyond excited to hear it re-recorded. I can’t recall a single other TS song that has COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CHORUSES EVERY TIME. It’s sooooo superior and sooo slept on.

Jessica

Ladies!!! What are ur plans for the Eras tour next week?!? Will u be recording yourselves while u’re there? What outfits are u guys wearing? 😅😍

Sarah

I'm one of the newer fans of Taylor's, since a couple months after Midnights came out. I randomly came across the music video for Anti-Hero and just couldn't stop coming back to it. I showed it my dad, who was surprised by how much he also liked it. For Christmas that year, he got me the Midnights CD. I threw it into my CD player in my car and, over the course of about a month, found myself listening to it over and over as I drove around. Like there was just some magnetic power that kept me coming back. I then took the time to listen to all her previous albums in reverse. Flash forward (to 300 takeout coffees later), and now I have nearly encyclopedic knowledge of Taylor's life and discography. (For reference, before getting that Midnights CD, I literally only knew Shake it Off.) Her unbelievable talent and how sweet she is as a person has just completely captivated both me and my dad! We are both full-blown Swifties at this point. 🫶 And somewhere along the way, we ran across one of your reaction videos on YouTube and cackled at how enthusiastic you both were for Taylor! And now I genuinely don't feel any Taylor news is really complete without seeing or knowing your reaction to it!! ❤️

MarkH

Thanks as always! I don't think Taylor ever wants anyone to hate her and so I really don't think she is re-engineering the rep era. But I do think Bonny is right that the hate is hurting her, as much as she is practiced in ignoring it. However, as I have said before, we have an objective measure--Spotify streams. She is by far the most streamed artist every day on Spotify; I mean day in and day out for months now. The ones who support her far far outnumber the haters. Remember that as you are doomscrolling on Tik Tok! And what vocals she has been displaying this week!

Lauren

"the outside looking in" love the debut reference to one of my favs.

Sara woods

The hate has honestly been scary,i worry for her safety alot.…yeah everytime she reaches these high peaks its just a cascade of hatred from all sides. I’ve completely gotten off twitter,i thankfully have gotten my insta feed to be completely taylor hate free. I honestly dont follow anyone even if its like a music artist i loved at one time who i find out hates Taylor i just immediately unfollow,thats a huge reason ive never tried to get into billie eillish since she is a justin bieber fanatic and “team justin” and all this stuff. I just make sure i follow people who respect her,idk ive been a fan since debut so ive been defending her for 18 years to people constantly in the real world who literally know nothing about her but believe whatever trash is written,it sucks and can be really hard🖤🖤🖤🖤

Julia Fisher

electric touch on the piano is a huge loss...SAD!

Carly

I'm a newer fan you're describing!! Bonny migrating from her solo channel to chats and reacts piqued my interest. It was a slow burn from folklore onwards, but Red TV made me a full convert. (ATW10 release and a conveniently timed breakup helped too lmao). I made new friends around covid too who loved TS so it was a great way to bond. I had always known her singles, and as a chronically online one-directioner in the 2010s I kind of knew a good deal of TS lore already. I saw delving into TS as somewhat of a "new hobby" which was so helpful in my new post-covid life. Now I'm going to Melb N1 with my girlfriends next week I bonded with TS over originally 😍

Kayla Murdock

New to the fandom here! As a fellow millennial (1988) I was always aware of Taylor Swift, but mainly just what was radio popular. In a Venn Diagram of my life and hers, there would be little overlap of our life experiences. Because of that, I never really related to any of her songs - however I always appreciated her talent. In 2011 and in 2014 I had two daughters who would eventually grow up to be DIEHARD Swifties! After the ordeal with her masters, I wanted to show female solidarity so I made sure to always purchase her music in full - however I have to be honest - I never listened to any of it. It wasn't until my daughters really started being obsessed with Taylor that I saw the opportunity to bond with them over her music. In doing so I have found that I am more of a Swiftie than they are [they would disagree :)] I had already purchased Lover, Folklore, Evermore + Midnights but had never given them a listen - and what a missed opportunity!!! This year has also proven to be an opportunity for my daughters to really bond with their dad over Taylor as well. He has always been a huge football fan. [GO LIONS] Now it is not just him and I being excited to watch games on the weekends! Our girls are invested and cheering, not just because they love their dad, but also because they now truly care about the games! I could have never imagined that this one human could have done so much for our little family! <3

Darya 🤍

I [re]joined in that weird time around redtv! I couldn’t BELIEVE I MISSED the folklore and evermore drops because I was a super casual listener and I will never forgive myself for not getting to go through that in real time! (Luckily I have your reactions to imagine hehe). But for me, that magical redtv time was a big “catch up” on social media. Because Taylor was diving back into her old catalogue, everyone was. Which meant NEW fathomings and explanations around her entire catalogue. It’s like the entire world (if you were curious enough and paying attention) was caught up on any little details, connections, and Easter eggs they would have normally only gotten had they been a part of that initial era. That’s what did it for me. Getting to get caught up to speed thanks to accounts like yours.

Jennaly

I guess I'm wondering if being a fan means that we are not ever allowed to criticize her? I don't think blind support for her is helpful. She is human and is deserving of respectful criticism. Obviously some of the hate she is getting is out of line but some of it is valid in my opinion. But you said on twitter you'd always support her no matter what I and I guess I just don't agree with blind support for any person/artist/celeb

Bella

This is exactly my journey as well!!! Always followed Bonny, slow burn from folklore and then hardcore swiftie since Red Tv (particularly from ATW10)

Fanny Bureau

I thought with the 2023 barbie and eras summer we had moved past being ashamed of liking Taylor and the general idea of not liking something because it’s popular but guess it couldn’t last, oh well you’re right Reputation cannot come at a more perfect time in her carrer

Sabrina 💖

so I've only gone full swiftie in the last year, but had waves of adoration for her and her music throughout my whole life - but definitely a casual fan compared to now... I think Bonnie is onto something about Red TV!! I loved teardrops when I was a kid, then had a real love for Red when it came out, then heard 1989 and Style and OOTW became such huge faves. I kind of dropped in an out after that to give each new album a bit of a listen and sometimes clung to a new song or two and otherwise left the album alone afterwards. I think for me it never really hit me that there was so much depth to the songwriting? Like now I can't imagine not listening to every lyric on one of her albums intently - but I think because she was packaged as a ditsy female pop star, I never bothered to dig deeper to find anything beyond that? Like the misogyny of the 2010s impacted my opinion massively, I genuinely didn't even realise she wrote all her own music until a year or two ago, because when they media talked about her it was never about that it was about her appearance or her boyfriends or her breakup songs. I think what turned me into a full blown rabid obsessed swiftie was a kind of a snowball of things - ATW10 was huge and the short film, then midnights coming out it was the first time I listened to one of her albums on release, then when Aus tickets went up for sale (a moment of silence for this tragic event), me and my mum and sister all spend all day both days online trying to get tickets and for some reason I found the Paris live recording of Cornelia Street and became FERAL for that and listened to it all through the two days of Ticketek nightmare. We didn't end up getting tickets sadly and still don't have any, but that hellish ticket experience kind of made me a swiftie lmao. After that I was obsessed with listening to everything and went through phases with each album and learnt about the lore and the masters history etc etc. but tbh I think the biggest thing that has converted so many to swiftieism has been the eras tour and suddenly millions of people that would never bother to see her live are seeing the shows on their phones and going "holy shit she's amazing" and now the whole world wants to go to her shows just to experience the electricity, and the more that you dive into the history and discography the more everyone wants to be involved. It's like her music has created its own world of lore and motifs and references it's like a huge book series still being written that we all want to see what happens next. The fan based exploding I think isn't due to the recent music as much as her real incredible talents and unique storytelling has been showcased to so many more people than ever before, she hasn't done anything more incredible that what she had already done, but people were seeing it and losing their minds falling down her rabbit hole. Sorry for the essay lmao Taylor is my special interest and I adore you both 💗💗

Carly

Love 😍 It's the power of all too well hahaha

nicole

I completely agree with you! I’m critical of her private jet usage and I do like to keep level headed about other things as well. However, even my non-Swiftie friends brought up how “weird” and “rude” she was at the Grammys. It really seems like the tides are turning and there is a new wave of blind hate coming in. Not just being critical of her, but actually just spreading a toxic negativity. I think people are just overloaded seeing her this year, and it’s coming to a head where it’s becoming acceptable to not criticise her, but actually hate her again.

Ken Mazur

it was Red TV for me, and than a Youtube search for "Maroon is the best song on Midnights" led me to your Maroon breakdown, and down the rabbit hole I went. I was Taylor Swift agnostic, but "nightmare dressed like a daydream" always lept out as such a great lyric, so when Red TV was announced, I decided to give Red a spin. Loved it, and then did 1989 all the way through since I had been a fan of 'Blank Space' since 2014. And that did it for me! Slowing coming around to the fact the Evermore is her best album, despite 1989 being my favorite....

Anon_987

They hate her because you know what? “Hate is a part of the ecosystem” - you can’t get rid of it

Emzies

I don’t get the hate. And I guess I’ve been pretty sheltered because I haven’t heard anything. I can’t think of the term for it, but there is a psychological component of mental fatigue from over exposure to something. As bright as she shines, I can get why people are starting to be over it, I do NOT understand hating her for it, though. Why? And if people are tired of seeing her in the media, blame the media! Their frustrations are completely mis-directed. And their mental fatigue prohibits them from seeing her objectively as a superior human.

Emzies

Ohmygod, Emily! You are too many things! 🤣🤣🤣

Aryanna Alvarado

i honestly think the criticisms & conversations started out valid (by people who aren't fans and by swifties themselves). such as people being upset she won aoty over other nominees, particularly sza. it felt inevitable she would because the grammys haven’t awarded a black woman aoty in over 2 decades though many felt it should’ve gone to sza / sos was "better" (that’s the common sentiment across my socials at least & music is subjective so tbh there’s no true “best” because taste varies). it’s a valid convo to have, though it’s NOT taylor’s fault, but by winning, a lot of the conversations criticizing grammy voters was channeled through her / her name was something for people to cling onto to start these conversations (same thing happened with harry last year. it was rough on twitter as a harry fan, lolll). or with her private jet. lol. though she’s not the ONLY celeb listed or the worst, she’s among them and that’s ok to comment on. it’s crazy! but none of this makes her a villain or narcissistic, which is what i feel many necessary and valid convos have become muddled into. people become so attached to how they feel they “know” her to be (good or bad; hero or villain), when nobody knows really so (though it's hard to ignore sometimes) let's just enjoy her music and try not to take conversations surrounding her personally. 💜

Emzies

I am here for all the add-ons to your video! “Okay, bye!” “Hi, guys! Okay…” 😂

Emzies

Bonny for the win! I love that you fathomed Eyes Open. I was a little surprised that neither of you mentioned it originally, but the fathoming at the end was better than I could have hoped for. And brilliant catch about each song having a falling part component. I didn’t catch that one. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Lively_Ash

Eyes open is definitely related to hate she’s been getting lately …she’s been attacked her whole career any little thing someone didn’t like….it’s ridiculous!

Monique New

For me, I can give my perspective on the growth since Red TV. I think Red TV brought back old fans that cooled off with Rep and Lover. Folklore brought new fans, but didn’t bring back those who didn’t catch on to Lover. BUT Red TV brought them back in a way that Fearless TV didn’t. Obviously with All too well 10, THEN they re-fathomed folklore through the long ponds, and OF COURSE Lover (which is why cruel summer finally got its day). Deserving we cannot say enough. Could just be reading my journey into it, but Red TV brought me back and made me realise how stupid I had been and that Rep, Lover, Folklore and Evermore are superior and what on earth was I doing with my life. And yep. Midnights to top it off because of the connections to earlier albums and my goodness. It’s nice to be back and no, I will never hate. Haters gonna hate, whingers gonna whinge. And people thought the Beatles were boring and tasteless and yeh. Time shows the fools.

maya zutra

Help the end of the video Em I love you legend 👸🫶🫶

Sarah

Some of the HATE is valid? 🤔 Criticism can be valid, and you can still support someone overall while not agreeing with every single thing they do. Support isn't blind when it's based on years of seeing someone show themselves to be a good or admirable person. You can criticize someone if they're intentionally doing something they shouldn't be doing, but you can still love/support them despite them not being perfect. I'd imagine that's what they meant on whichever Twitter post you're referring to. And as far as this video goes, they're specifically talking about all the senseless hate for Taylor that's been popping up so much lately. And you can always tell senseless hate from valid criticism.

ToadHemain

I started to listen to her music because my bsf made me listen to Betty, and then I loved the song so much I listened to folklore, which just so happened to be around the time that Red Tv had just been released, so I was getting a lot of All Too Well TV trends, after that its such a blur, but truly betty was such a good song/introduction to her skills as a writer that I never even thought twice about getting into her music.

John Wenzel

Kinda think that Double T PD and 2 rerecords {Rep and Debut} and a new T-n-T album would make a perfect new tour.

Lizzie Page

I’ve been a fan since seeing the ‘Our Song’ music video on the CMT channel so I certainly can’t answer 🤷🏻‍♂️🤣

Shay

Oh my god you said so many things at the end of this video that absolutely fcked me up. It had me fathoming like I’ve never fathomed before. I personally have loved Taylor literally all my life since I was 13 but I only joined the swiftie community during midnights mayhem and honestly twitter Stan’s are scary that’s why I’m so happy I found this community that is filled w beautiful people who adore the same woman I do. So I guess maybe I’m a new stan since I’ve only been active in the community but I’d say 95% of the swifties I’ve encountered have been the absolute sweetest souls but like every standom there are the toxic people that make it almost unbearable to interact w on socials. Just my two cents 🩶love you guys and this community so much. Chat & react videos have become my safe place and I’m just unbelievably grateful Emily and Bonny created this space for me to find my people 🩶

Shay

Ur mind is so superior wow that makes so much sense

Maddie 💕

Thank you guys for talking about the hate that is happening, it has been overwhelming on my social media and in person and it’s validating that it’s frustrating you guys too! I do feel like there will be one last push of a lot of hate with the Super Bowl and then it will calm down.. hopefully 😂 if not tickets should be cheaper for a minute 😂 Also just a thought after watching your video on the track list - have you guys every thought about retracting to your old videos?? I started to think about the old videos predicting track lists and how spot on they were or completely off and I think it could be kind of fun if you guys did a video reacting to yourselves! Or even reacting to your first listening.. like little did we know type situation?

Emzies

Reading through all of your comments, it sounds like Tim Tok is a cesspool. 😬

Emzies

That’s an offensive thing you just said. “Reputation is calling?” 😮👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Josh

The hate this week has been really disappointing, as it is just another repeat of society turning on a woman when she becomes "too successful". It really feels like a repeat of 2016 all over again, I hope Taylor is doing ok, and I hope she can feel the love of her true fans at the shows. I know I'll be giving her all my love at the Melbourne shows next week. Glad to have this positive space with Bonnie and Emily away from the toxicity of social media currently.

tbeckett

Em and Bonny, I wonder if the “overexposure” stuff is more of a thing here in the United States. Maybe once she’s touring more overseas, it might blow over.

Jenny MacRunnel

Is it over the last few days? I haven't been on socials much except for the people I follow who are kind and wonderful people. Same old stuff, or something new to worry over?

Mikayla Clayton

I still kinda want Taylor to be unhinged and drop rep the same day as Kanyes new album lol

chatsandreacts

Valid criticism should always be welcomed and we feel it’s very different to hate! This applies to Taylor or anyone else. We *will* always support her no matter what, because as we said at the end of this video we feel we know Taylor’s heart and she seems like a genuinely decent human being, and this is something she has proven time and time again over her career. But that doesn’t mean we will blindly agree with anything she may do in the future. The internet is so void of nuance these days, people see a mistake and attach it to someone’s entire identity rather than recognising that there is usually a good person underneath a bad decision and it does not define them! As Taylor says “who you are is not what you did” 🥰

V. Babida

Eyes open hits hard when you realize she said she relates to this song right now and the lyrics basically are talking about having people waiting for your breakdown and demise 💔 honestly I hate that people love to hate her so much and will always finds reasons to say something negative about her

lane ♡︎

I miss the folklore days and the community being so loving and happy 😭

River

Emily, nothing resonated more with me than when you were doing your first wrap up, talking about why we are here - and essentially what a blessing it is to have this little fandom community. Truly it's a space to feel the Joy in fandom!! And the two of you really just let that joy bejeweled! You're my little dose of happiness in a day. I love that we have this space to escape the heaviness of world for a bit and come together over a celebration of music and artistry.

Keri 🫶🏻

I really appreciate you guys saying you take the hate against Taylor personally because I feel the exact same way. But what you said about not being able to change their minds anyway and ignoring the hate is exactly what I needed to hear 🫶🏻

lane ♡︎

I also think a ton of the hate is because she has been more public with Travis and for some reason people hate to see her so in love and so secure in her relationship that they can make it public and still be so unbothered by all the talk. Like the idea of a woman being able to have it all and still be so confident and owning it isn’t allowed.

Marie S.

IMAGINE she plays gold rush on her last night in Tokyo and she changes the lyrics to " With my CHIEFS t-shirt hanging from the door" hihihi

Keri 🫶🏻

Nothing she’s getting criticized for this time is valid imo

lane ♡︎

I also don’t get why all the haters need Taylor Swift to be this certain kind of person for them? They don’t see her as a human being which makes sense because they don’t actually listen to her music. The true fans don’t need her to change or to “be better”.

lane ♡︎

Also Electric Touch featuring FALL Out Boy 😭😭

Tess7

Do yourself a favor and watch a video of Eyes Open lol her vocals were crazy. I know it’s not your favorite lol. I’m soooo sick of the hate Taylor is getting. While the Celine thing is out of character for Taylor, she did speak to Celine right there on stage after her speech, then more backstage. Unfortunately, Taylor’s own friends onstage caused it by accident. Plus she obviously was surprised she won and made history. The most infuriating hate stemmed from the disgusting AI photos. People in comments having zero sympathy simply because it was Taylor it happened to. I did see a few political pundits speaking out for her from both sides. That was good. I hope they track those responsible down and at the very least, get laws in place to stop that kind of thing. The NFL stuff and her plane usage outrage will die down soon. Travis is getting asked the most personal questions out in Vegas. He seems to be handling it welI. I saw people being mad she announced the new album at the Grammys lol the woman can’t win- she’s damned if she does give a damn what people say. Also, I have watched Electric Touch a few times today, and I must say she did great on it, but I prefer the faster/full production version. My fave is also I Can See You- but I love all those vault tracks. Great job fathoming Bonny- loved this video 😊

Jeremy Pitts

Sort of my perspective as a "very early/very late with no-in-between" fan. Big fan from Debut. Went to a show on her first radio tour. Slowly drifted from the fandom as she leaned into pop country and fell off when the Red singles came out. I reckon I fancied myself too cool for pop music. I got the normie experience for about a decade and got to know her superpower of picking perfect radio singles before I ever learned that was a swiftie in-joke. I barely remember Kimye or any of the other drama since I tuned out that sort of thing. I really don't remember having any strong opinions on her during that time outside of respecting her as an artist for her early work. In 2022 I went through a big breakup and needed something new to listen to and tried out Midnights since I hadn't paid attention to her in over a decade. I connected with it the same way I did in the first three albums and went through her back catalogue like I was cramming for a final exam. Once it clicked for me again I couldn't put it down and regretted all the great stuff I missed out on. I went from early 2023 thinking the Eras tour would be a fun "nice to have" for nostalgia purposes but not worth the money, to summer time when I'd decided to sell a kidney for New Orleans tickets a year and a half out. This is exactly what I needed and I couldn't have picked a better time to rediscover an artist I used to love than right now.

VadersPetPig

The hate is definitely intoxicating, I'm a big fan but even I was subjected to the hate, obviously I didn't partake into spreading any hatred of Taylor but people making videos on how her interaction with Celine Dion went trying to make it seem like it was the worst thing she ever did. I don't feel anything about the interaction now but damn its crazy how people can spread rumors and try to brain wash you into reading into things.

Brianna Washington

i guess i’ll share my experience with being a newer swiftie!! So i never had much of an opinion about Taylor just that i liked a couple of her songs (i knew you were trouble, red, wildest dreams) and i was kinda busy with being an absolute theatre nerd and a pentatonix stan lol. as i think back to when all too well ten came out, my friend would always play it in the car and i really liked it! i loooove reaction videos so i looked up them on all too well ten and watched yours because i also enjoyed your sour reaction previously. then i fell in love with august and my best friend told me to listen to seven which is the first song that i reallllly related to and made me dig deeper. as i watched your videos, you mentioned songs like dear john and cruel summer and i listened to them and eventually became obsessed with her music, then her documentaries and concert movies, and the rest is history. i have been apart of this patreon for a year and a couple months and i’ve never been apart of a community like this and it makes me very happy!! i think i noticed a big shift when eras began and trying to get tickets was absolutely a great war that i lost lol but i still love watching it with the community!! 💕💚

Brianna Washington

also this hate she’s getting is driving me absolutely insane. after the grammys i had to take a day or two off social media bc all i would see was people complaining about her. people saying her not hugging celine was “unforgivable” and “disgusting” was just making me think about how true the man is and unfortunately not much has changed since 2019. i’ll just say that no man in the industry would be getting this petty hate put on them…

Morgan Murdock

What are you referring to? I don’t mean that in a rude way I’m just genuinely curious, the plane emissions?

Jenny MacRunnel

Your conversation at the end: I feel hurt and distressed when I hear misinformation on Taylor all the time...it was really bugging me a few weeks ago (the deep fakes, etc) so that's actually why I'm no longer letting myself scroll on TikTok or Facebook. I only watch or look at content from my trusted people I already follow. Even if their not Swifties, (although most of them are), they aren't ever disrepectful. Its just bad for my mental health. A lot of comments and such are so WRONG! Its infuriating! Our best bet as Swifties is to ignore it, and flood the world with our own content and light for Taylor. What you put out into the world you get back tenfold. It also is going to help someone else at some point, maybe several someones. Always try to be the light in the darkness! Love you guys, I completely understand your breakdown Bonny. That was me a little over a week ago!

Juliette B

I always liked her singles I heard on the radio, but I became a swiftie during Lover era. At that time I listened to all her albums front to back and really fathomed the lyrics. Then I experienced my first TS surprise album drop with folklore and it changed my life forever

Takara

To quote Dr. Taylor Alison Swift “haters gonna hate hate hate hate hate Baby, I’m just gonna shake shake shake shake shake Shake it off, I shake it off”

Jalen O’Grady

I’m so sorry but I’m going Melb N2 and if she plays Forever Fucking Winter when I AM NOT there, I don’t think I’ll ever recover. THAT IS MY SONG.

Emma

I became a fan during midnights, there was a lot of hype about it and I had a 4 hour long car ride that day so I thought “why not?”. I enjoyed it but obviously I was incapable of fathoming at that time. Because I enjoyed it, I wanted to try a different album, I chose evermore because I simply loved the album cover. It was then my life changed forever. I have always LOVED folk/slower music and had no she wrote that kind of music. After finding out she writes all her songs, and they’re actually all deeply concerning and about her life, I was hooked. That same night, I listened to ATW10 and the rest is history (that was a crazy night). I would not have survived this last year if it wasn’t for all of your videos on your channel, you taught me everything I know and I am so grateful and am so sad I’ve missed out all that time. I’m so excited to finally be excited for a BEAND NEW ALBUM for the first time!!!

Grif H

Totally, I appreciate you asking! The plane emissions is definitely one of the things. I think her (and many other artists) silence on the ongoing issue in Palestine is one of the most frustrating current issues. Additionally the past Matty Healy situation, her lack of advocacy for queer rights issues post lover era, etc. This Fandom is a great, tight community but it's important to be able to hear and engage with these dialogues rather than discounting them as hate. I hope you have a good day :)

Sara Brannon

I love Bonny’s “fall apart” fathoming!!! Other songs with similar phrasing: forever winter (“fall to pieces”), the moment I knew (“I try not to fall apart”), the very first night (“we were built to fall apart”), mr. perfectly fine (“I fall apart”)… maybe she will sing one of these next?!

Ellie Vannest

One of my favorite things to watch is my mom becoming a proper swiftie. She texts me random updates she sees online even tho she knows I've already seen it. She listens to the Eras Tour playlist I made for her everyday. She fights people on FaceBook who hate on Taylor. It's just been so fun and heartwarming to witness. And my grandma too—she crocheted me a blanket for Christmas that looks like the Eras Tour poster and a matching pillow that says "in this house we listen to Taylor's Version." It's just all so sweet and really goes to show that Taylor is liked by all sorts of different people 🩷🩷

Carrie

I became a fan during red TV era but it was because I randomly decided to watch long pond on Disney and omg mind blown, I've been obsessed ever since and wonder what planet I was on for the decade prior. I just never really listened to her music before that and I wish I had. I'll never not be a swiftie now and I also take it personally all this hate she's getting. We know she is so kind, thoughtful and incredibly talented!!

ImagineDragonlords

Bonnie's mentioning of the fact that a lot of the secret songs have referencing to falling apart made me think of the opening poem to Reputation tour, which literally begins with the line: "When she fell, she fell apart" --- potential subtle egg for surprise Reputation drop regardless of Tortured Poets???!?

Ellie Vannest

Also for me, I became a more casual listener of Taylor during Lover era. I never disliked her, but before then I just knew her as the pop star on the radio who made good singles. I remember loving You Belong With Me as a kid and Mean (i used to watch the Mean music video all the time). But basically 2 actors I loved got married irl and everyone was making edits of them to Paper Rings. I then started to listen more to Lover and I loved Paper Rings, Miss Americana, Lover, and The Archer. Then when folklore came out I gave it a listen and LOVED exile. I think it was my most played song that year. Then just through Twitter and TikTok I started to hear more of her songs and loved the community. I remember listening to Mr. Perfectly Fine for the first time in my kitchen while making breakfast and I was like "yep I'm in this for life now" lol. Red TV solidified that and I've been insane ever since!!

ttpd-24

I was just this morning talking to the people on paetron chat about Tall Poppy Syndrome and asked if it’s a universal or locally known phrase. For those that didn’t know here is the gist of it: Tall Poppy Syndrome is a pervasive cultural phenomenon where ambitious individuals are targeted and their successes are belittled by others due to resentment, envy, or fear. Women, especially those who are highly ambitious and driven, are often victims of this syndrome.

leaszn

i first listened to taylor in 2014 when 1989 came out, mainly bc i knew it was about harry and i was a hard core directioner. then after that i fell off. i remember the reputation era and the hate she was getting bc of kanye/kim but i wasn’t like in the fandom/ a fan or anything. i remember i saw a tweet saying maroon was about harry and i decided to listen to midnights, and this time it was different! i fell in love with the album and then i listened to folklore and i fell in love w her! obviously as a person but folklore was so amazing on first listen. i’ve heard all the albums now and seen most of the lore, but yeah i consider myself a swiftie now! it’s been so fun watching reactions and understanding all the past eras i wasn’t apart of!

T

Eyes open on the brink of the superbow!? Illegal. Electric touch when travis' favorite and most used word is electric?!?! Superbowl era has me💀💀💀

Takara

The private jet thing… a star of her level of fame cannot fly commercial due to safety concerns, and unfortunately we live in a world where that’s the reality. I just don’t know what people expect of her, flying is literally part of her job. And Taylor didn’t even crack the top 30 celebrities that took the most private flights in 2023. Even with the tour! Where is all the scrutiny for these other people? I agree with what others said, there’s criticism and then there’s just blind hatred.

Amber

I’m still holding out for Rep TV announcement this month. Remember cappuccino clock photo?? Blue 1989 finger on the 8, announced in Aug. Black Rep finger on the 2. And she keeps holding up 2 fingers ✌🏼and she the cryptic “red herring” word scramble. 🤞🏼🤞🏼 I’m just here for the fathoming. Plus how amazing would Rep TV be followed swiftly by TTPD. 💕

airjohnpro

I didn’t think you could top last night’s video… I was wrong. I’m so glad I finally became a member this week. I’ve been a fan since 1989, but it wasn’t until Midnights that I really fell in love. I have been catching up since then. The haters don’t bother me, but the fact she gets so much hate really irks me because I can only imagine how hurtful and frustrating it must be for her, her team and her close family and friends. Sincerely, a 1989/Midnights fan that might now have become a Speak Now stan.

Courtney Santoro

I became a swiftie between Red TV and Midnights. Saw your reaction to ATW10 on YouTube. And then watched a bunch of your videos and educated myself on everything TS. I only really knew her biggest hits before. Folklore and Evermore blew me away and remain my favs. So I was super excited for Midnights and it obviously didn't disappoint. Now I'm just such a big fan of her and respect her so much. Thank you for being my entry point and TS educators <3 I love enjoying her music parasocially with you!

Jaimie C

Dear Bonny & Emily, You are my safe space for Taylor joy You make the world a better place by sharing your love for Taylor Your videos are the only ones I care about I came along during Red TV ATW10 And yes, I will take advice from you. Sincerely, A fan of the Chats & Reacts Department forevermore

Jeebs

I agree that she might be trying to stir up some Reputation feelings. Was the original public "issue" about her plane travel around the Reputation era? It almost feels replanted, I really thought people got over that years ago. Another Reputation *hmmmm was that Ed mentioned he flew in from Taiwan the night before the Grammy's and was heading back out to Bangkok the next day. It seems weird to fly that far for only one nomination...I think it could be something with Taylor, maybe a music video for "End Game"?

jules

i’ve always been a causal fan of Taylor. i loved the first couple albums when i was a kid and then heavily listened to 1989. i had my favorite TS songs but didn’t know all the albums super well. when she announced Fearless tv i started going back and relistened to past albums again.. all too well 10min lit a spark and showed me just how deep and devoted the fan base could be. Midnights was the first album that i got to experience an announcement, song rollouts, theories, the WHOLE thing. i found creators and people to share this love with. for me, Midnights is when i really felt like a true swiftie but it was the re-recordings that brought me back. my best friend got back in during the folklore era and definitely contributed to showing me her newer music. she got us eras tour tickets and i think the tour definitely brought out a lot of new fans too 🫶 so happy that i found my way back home

Bai

I couldn't agree more. When ugly orange Cheeto traitor Donald Trump declares a "holy war" (his words, not mine) on you, you should increase your security ten-fold. These aren't just mean people, they're white supremacist voter suppression obsessed nut jobs who are mad at her for promoting democracy on her platform. This goes beyond Kanye and Kim as enemies, this is political now. Or at least, they have made it that way. I fear for her safety more than I ever have in her career by a lot. I also got off Twitter, I don't trust that platforms security team (or lack there of thanks to Elon) to keep people (especially women) safe. If it took 17 hours to rid X of deep fakes for Taylor, imagine how long it would take for women who aren't famous. I think Eyes Open was the PERFECT choice. I think she is scared of the constant vitriol and now outward aggression from the alt-right.

Grace Tapulgo

I’ve literally had to stay off tik tok the past few days because it was making me so sad/upset with all the hate. Thank you for being my comfort account and my swiftie besties 💕💕🫶🏻

T

Tim Mcgraw came out the year I graduated high-school and I have loved EVERY single since then but never engaged in the communities, and was never a full album listener. I had a baby in 2020 b4 folkmore and didn't listen to ANY music until I saw her promoting red tv on jimmy fallon and thought id check out all too well 10 the lyric video and that's when I fell down a deep dark hole where I've been ever since.💀

Takara

Also besties I wouldn’t get my hopes up for long story short. Unless Travis comes to your shows and she makes that song about him which would be OFFENSIVE

Lily Logan

Once she announced Midnights I jumped in much more than where I was before. I was always. casual fan, and really enjoyed folklore, evermore, and ATW10 minute version. After Midnights dropped and she announced tour, I got tickets and was able to go to Metlife night 2! I am not only infatuated by her music, but just her aura in general. Every day, I cannot BELIEVE that I am alive the same time that she is. And that I was able to see her live. It truly feels like living through Elvis or The Beatles in real time. I respect her dedication so much, and just think she’s a spectacle to look at. I became such a bigger fan once I found your channel as well. I absolutely love the way you two discuss her lyrics — and youre both so mature and well spoken! It’s really a breath of fresh air whenever you post. I am so impressed by y’all’s work ethic, thank you for being so amazing !!

Alison

The phrase tall poppy syndrome is perfect to explain it, I never knew of this phrase before. I wish haters would focus on what they love instead of what we love! My mother is 70 and recently became a Swiftie (was never a hater though), I love seeing her discover her music and world, it's so fun and we love chatting about it all. I can't imagine spending my life hating on something I could simply ignore and not focusing on what I love.

Lia Russo

Hi Emily and Bonny 💜 I’m a new swiftie and I’m in LOVE with your content. I’m sad you live so far away from me because I swear we’d be best friends! Anyway, to answer your question, I became a fan around the time the Eras tour started but have spent the past few months completely immersed in everything Taylor and I’m actually kind of embarrassed I didn’t fathom her greatness until now. What made me pay attention was that music is everything to me and i’m obsessed with pop culture in general. When I saw how impressive the eras tour was, both on the creative side and how fans were reacting to it, I couldn’t help but be captivated. I love fandom and community around music, I’ve been to about 150 concerts in my life. Seeing how into it the swifties were (the outfits, bracelets, etc) and the joy it brought, along with the technical feat that the show is, I became sooo fascinated I just had to dive into her catalogue and never looked back. Your content helped this obsession grow a LOT so thank you for your light, positivity, and fathomings! 💕

✨Bri✨

I am not a new fan but a revived fan in a way! I was an avid fan from debut-red, I went to the fearless tour and I knew every single song on those albums. Then when 1989 came out I no longer bought cds and so I only heard the singles first and I wasn’t super into them so I kind of fell away. I never hated her and I still loveddd her old stuff, still knew that all too well was the best song ever written. Then flash forward to all too well 10 min version coming out. My friend tells me about it and I’m like no way?? There’s a 10 min version of the best song ever written? Well of course I listen to it and am blown away. Then I dive into all the albums I missed out on. Realize I was missing out for years by only hearing the singles. And dive back even deeper as a fan. My favorite albums now are her more recent ones (I am a midnights girly). Anyways, I wonder if ATW10 brought others back like me. I always liked her but ATW10 completely blew me away and I had to hear every single song that I missed for years.

Nath

I became a fan in the midnights era. I was in the middle of the night (the night midnights came out) and saw on Spotify that Taylor Swift had just released a new album and I decided to listen all of it. And tbh I wasn’t really liking taylor before that and saying that today doesn’t make any sense lmao but it was the case at that moment. And then I loved the album so much and then saw ur reaction and how you were so excited about it. I then started to listen to her older album throughout all the last year with your reactions and ur refathomings. And I became a swiftie like that. It feels really weird to arrive in this world that late because a lot of people have lived with Taylor for a lot of years and have experienced a lot of things with her. I personally just try to catch up on all the stuff that have happened before. Omg it’s so not understandable what I wrote but yeah that’s kind off it 😭😭

Nath

And also with the eras tour it helped a lot to just discover new songs on the set list (especially the less popular ones)

Alex Parra

I've always been a casual fan and she's always been one of my favourite artists even just listening to the singles or whatever was on the playlists I was skimming. Around the time Red TV would've been announced, I decided it would be fun to listen to a bit more, and also my roommate was a big fan of the country albums, so we listened to a lot of Speak Now around the house. When Red TV came out, honestly there was a huge nostalgia component that drew me in, I wanted to listen to 22 and Red and WANEGBT and IKYWT with the updated vocals. My roommate and I did that the moment the album dropped, but I didn't fully go through. I preferred to think of myself as more of a pop nostalgia Swiftie, and I didn't really have the energy to go and listen to all the newer stuff. When Midnights came out, I was super excited and I skimmed the tracklist and decided to listen to the one that seemed more interesting, which ironically was Anti Hero. Then that Christmas I got a few CDs for my car so I could now listen to Red, Fearless, 1989 and Speak Now in the car, and that was a lot of fun. And then early last year I started getting YouTube recommendations along the lines of "people reacting to X line in Y song" and I watched them cuz why not? And one of them was people reacting to the girlhood line in WCS, and I had actually seen this quote online but I was like "wait hold up that's a Taylor Swift song?" So then I listened to that and was irrevocably changed as a person. But then I really started going down this YouTube rabbit hole, and in that I found your channel and started watching a bunch of your videos even though I didn't fully know all the songs. And then tour started a few weeks later and I watched opening night live, and I was watching so many of your videos and realized I needed to join the Patreon (learned I had your names mixed up and that you lived together). And yeah just between watching tour every night and seeing you guys, I kinda just like fully integrated lol. And now here I am almost a year later, which is crazy!!!!

anna

I’m literally so disgusted with the hate… she doesn’t deserve any of it 💔💔

Lan

Almost same here! I always liked and listened to her music since Tear drops on my guitar, but I never listened through the full album. When 1989 was out, I really liked Blank Space and Wildest Dream (music video promotion was really working!) and then bought my first full digital album on iTunes. But after that, I graduated from school and started working, I kinda lost track of the entertainment news and somehow the campaign to promote reputation did not have a big impact in Singapore. It was until Lover, Taylor had a televised performance in China and I looped the Lover. As a relative casual listener like me, I did not follow Taylor's social media or awaiting for Album release, so I didn't even know about folklore or evermore. Earlier 2023, I saw a clip of Cornelia Street live performs from Paris and was amazed, then I listened to ATW10, this was propably the first time I really paid attention to the lyrics and then watched some album reaction youtuber listening to folklore and evermore, and youtube recommanded Chats&Reacts to me and now I am here! I feel ATW10 is a great opportunity for people to fathom Taylor's amazing songwritting. it is so beautiful and touching and has all the ups and downs to tells the full story so well! All of her songs have amazing story telling but sometimes it is not so obvious to casual listeners if they do not pay enough attention to the lyrics and think about it. But ATW10 is that kind of song that you just natural follows the story and take in every line.

Megan Clemens

Bonny & Emily, I’ve been away from watching your videos for a bit due to some personal stuff I had going on. But man I can’t believe I ever stopped. You girls are just the most fun and I feel like I’m right there chatting with you. These candid videos are just so fun (and so are the other ones!!) Thank you for bringing joy to my life, I mean that with my whole heart. Love you both and your superior videos!! 🩷🫶🏻

Charlotte Irene

To answer your question Emily… Very new, but deeply adoring, swiftie here since April or May of last year. Before then, I had only downloaded 3 of her songs, and one was a cover. I honestly thought she was just some country crossover carbon copy of every other bubblegum pop princess out there. I didn’t take her seriously or give her much thought. For context, I was 18 when Taylor was born, so not in her typical demographic. But I am a heavy Instagram user and follow lots of women in her age group. It was only because I was hearing so much hype about the Eras tour on social media, and watching so many of the people I follow go absolutely crazy about their experience, that I wondered what it was all about. I didn’t even know what “eras” meant or why people were dressing they way they were, or why there were all these versions of her songs - it was all very weird and confusing. At the same time I was hearing a lot of her song clips on Insta stories or TikToks and was liking what I heard. So I downloaded some songs… and then more songs… and then whole albums. They were all so GOOD. I couldn’t believe HOW good, or how much I loved them, or how smart the lyrics were, or how deeply I related to them, or how much they replayed in my head even when the music stopped. I literally would wake up at night with her music going through my head. It was ALL I listened to, for months on end. Imagine what it was like getting her entire discography through Midnights essentially all at once. It was like getting debut through TS10 dropped all on the same day! Not only that, but at the same time, I went DEEEEP down the rabbit hole…streaming all the previous tours, reading all about the re-records and how those came to be (I alternately curse/bless those 2 damn SB’s for being such greedy, patriarchal, short-sighted fools), and consuming all the online content I could to understand the meaning and context behind all of her songs and albums. (You two, Ally Sheehan, and a few others were my bible!) I now fully understand the hype. It is warranted. She is absolutely CAPTIVATING. Taylor is so very talented, such a smart artist and business woman. A writer, performer, creator, entertainer of a lifetime. I just think that makes her a gigantic target in many ways, and probably always will. Social media is a double-edged sword. It is a powerful engine that has helped fuel her success, bringing me into the fandom along with millions of others. On the other hand, it can create overexposure and all that comes with it - including amplifying the haters. It’s the nature of the beast. But Taylor will prevail. The cream always rises to the top.

Jeebs

Without a doubt, All Too Well 10 minute version brought me back to being a Taylor Fan. I started watching reaction videos (how I found you both) to the song and fell back in. Time for my Taylor fandom story...Watched her from the beginning and can remember really random moments like the time Ellen surprised her with her best friend - but couldn't tell you the friend's name (lol). "Begin Again" is one of my favorite songs and watched the music video over and over, but before last year, probably couldn't tell you the album it was on. Listened to the Ryan Adam's 1989 cover album WAY more than Taylor's recording and remember when she lost her mind on twitter when he announced he was rerecording them. I think the excitement and almost exclusivity of the Era's Tour gained a lot of new fans. Plus she's at the stage of her career where she just extends her popularity in age range.

Cruising for a Perusing

Electric Touch has to be a nod to Travis since "electric" may be his favorite word 😆

YunWon

I also feel like one of the reasons she is getting so much hate is the perception that she is trying to help Joe Biden win the election and the people who are spreading the hate are republicans who resent that.

Annie

this week has been rough watching people make a few dollars on twitter by bashing Taylor-lies or not, or the miserable people seeking validation of their negativity and picking her apart for every single thing she does (literally) on Tiktok. One highlight has been watching Travis absolutely rock all the media stuff about Taylor, watching him absolutely sing her praises and handle all of it with such a positive attitude and adoration for Taylor-I am sure that is some what of a comfort to Taylor. Your Patreon has been such a special place for us, cannot thank you enough. Your random fathoming and comments are the best-and your commentary is so insightful. Taylor totally nailed the metaphor about being raised up and down the flag pole of public opinion throughout her career, so true, and it makes it less of a big deal because she will rise again and this is absolutely nothing new.... Such a bummer people can be so casually cruel in the name of "being honest." I will always have her back because her music has always had mine.

Richard

That is so true about Tiktoker's. I will never be on Tiktok. I wish Tiktok would go away and be banned. Those Tiktoker's are low IQ idiotic imbeciles. Yes I wish the Fandom would back in the country days. I am a guy and I loved her music since the absolute beginning. We went to her opening up in concert in 2007.

StatMatt

I’m a new swiftie. I’m a huge sports Philly sports fan and after the Kelce relationship started, I dove into her discography and loved it. I love the passion the swiftie fandom has because it reminds my favorite aspects of sports fandom. Swiftie’s embracing the NFL inspired be to embrace Taylor’s music and I’ll forever be grateful for that!

YunWon

The reason I have fathomed Taylor last few years is simple... the moment I saw your Folklore reaction, I became a Swiftie ... you helped me so much to understand and appreciate her music AND I just hope Taylor realises how much Bonny and Emily has helped thousands of fans become Swifties

Samantha Million

I became a fan when she released Tim McGraw and I even got to see her open for Rascal Flatts at my local rodeo haha, but sort of lost interest I guess after fearless.. like I listened to all the singles on red and 1989 but didn't really dive into the full albums anymore.. Then when Red TV came out, everyones reaction videos to ATW10 were all over my fyp and I found y'all and fully got back into everything, and learned all the lore. I was never a hater tho!

Caroline James

I agree!!! I hope they revisit a better stream feed of this performance! She slaaaayed extra with her vocals in her performances these last few nights!!

Farah Canicosa

"String me along while you're deciding...." to marry me or not T_T

Kate Aydlette

Did u guys see the new Rep intro for Toyko on Night 2?

Clara

the hate that she’s received this week has reminded me a lot about what went down in May. swifties trying to defend taylor against baseless claims and things being taken out of context (like the 13 minute flight issue) and seeing a lot of people just believing what they read online about taylor because they already have a preconceived bias towards her reminds me a lot about what the swiftie fandom did to matty during their relationship. most of the internet decided to believe a wildly untrue buzzfeed article and other threads speaking negatively about him to justify writing and spreading the “speak now” letter debacle. it was so disheartening seeing just how much people don’t actually care about serious issues and just decide to join a hate train because it was the popular thing to do. now it’s happening to taylor and i truly hope it doesn’t get worse like it did in 2016

Sabrina 💖

Omg yes ATW10 takes you on such a journey I feel like people can't help but connect with it, and I love that you also found the Paris live Cornelia Street it's just incredible 😭😭

Savvy

I was a huge fan of the albums from debut-red, but didn't know any of the personal details. Just a casual music lover, but obsessed with them lol. I grew up in a pretty sheltered home, and was homeschooled so it was hard to know anything else, but the songs. And my parents always scolded me for listening to anything mainstream, so it was a bit of a secret love affair with taylor. I then aged into adulthood and moved around a lot, so I missed 1989 - Lover era, and only heard the main singles. But then, during the pandemic, life slowed down, and folklore was dropped, and then evermore... I listened to folklore through a few times and was like wow, but Evermore is what got me. I truly fell back in love. And folklore, is what made me find Chats & Reacts, and I have been here ever since! :) Also, I now know 1989 and Rep are the best things I've ever heard. So sad I missed out for so long! You guys are the absolute best! Love this little fandom haha.

Farah Canicosa

Maybe she wasn't happy with the cuts for the AMC version, so she made her own

hauntedwillow27

im part of the red tv - midnights fans. i listened to fearless og on my IPOD but speak now i think i just listened to mine. red the obvious singles thats it. same w 1989 and didn’t listen to rep. it was more that i just wasn’t a big music listener in general. only like watched tv for entertainment. to be honest what made me join was cardigan/twily/atw10 tiktok era. like when twily was on tsitp soundtrack i FELL IN LOVE with taylor. atw10 made me realize her brilliant songwriting. and cardigan im not sure what happened to me but i think we can all understand that. and you guys! your atw10 reaction literally got me interested in her music and i just discovered her more and more as i kept listening! i never knew her story at all (like for example, i don’t remember ever seeing anything about the hate she got before rep era. i don’t even remember that happening irl) but her music got me into the fandom and ive just understood her more and more ever since. and there’s so many songs that im constantly finding new things to fathom it’s actually WAYYY too much joining after red tv 🙈🙈 (another thing ill say is that no one celebrates lover and i wish i was there when it came out)

Gabriela Malancea

How absolutely ICONIC that your least favorite song in her discography brought both of you so much fathoming in this reaction !!! It’s actually so incredibly significant to what Taylor is relating to now, she wanted to make sure we all understand and fathom eyes open. Taylor Swift works in mysterious ways 💕😂

Erika B

Like many others I was revived back into the swiftie world by the Taylor’s Versions… I was a huge fan in high school with fearless, speak now, and red, and then 1989 was released while I was in college and so many of my college nights have a soundtrack of 1989, but I fell off the face of the earth with studies around the same time reputation was released and so I didn’t engage much in pop culture and then started working as an ER nurse in 2018… then Covid happened and my “escape” was Kacey Musgraves Golden Hour because it was the last concert I saw live before everything shut down. When Fearless TV was released and then Red TV I was brought back in to the nostalgia but didn’t go back and listen to rep/lover/folklore until after midnights came out! It was a lot to catch up on from when midnights came out until I saw her in Dallas in April but I found your channel in that time and now I can’t believe I missed out on those albums!

aubrey

30 seconds in and I have paused to say that I have absolutely inhaled the videos of Lana and Taylor walking into the red carpet from the rain, lol! It makes how the night unfolded make so much more sense to me somehow!

Farah Canicosa

I was an active Swiftie from Debut to Speak Now... checked out around Red, but I've known the singles, and also 1989 singles... Rep era I was obsessed with other musicians so I didn't even listen to it, also I thought it was such a different sound... Have never heard of Lover... I got back when I listened to folklore and evermore (but just the music, not her personal life)... By Midnights came out, I was obsessed with her (and her personal life too, not just the music) . What got me back was RED TV because like I said, I checked out during OG RED era and so when I watched a reaction video to ATW 10min, I was surprised I was affected so much (I sobbed)! And I was like... why did I not listen to RED T_T I actually adore the re-records so now I get to relive the eras. :-))

Clara

what’s happening to taylor right now reminds me of what happened to Matty in May. so many swifties believed and perpetuated false rumors about him to the point where he was literally receiving death threats and being accused of being every “ist” under the sun. I hope it doesn’t get worse for Taylor like it did in 2016

alden

same, i was to introduced to their channel as a livie (sour reaction) and left as a swiftie 🤣

Thesar Zuhri

to me this patreon is the home, it's the safe side from the internet from all the hate comments towards Taylor currently. I'm a stan and always will be. really love this home with both of you

Simple Ellements

I'm not quite sure what she is being hated for today, because I took a break from social media after the Grammys. I went so far as to delete Tiktok off my phone because the hate is something I don't have the bandwidth for. Like you said, it's a cycle. As someone who has maintained her relevance for so long, we've witnessed it a few times where the public turns on Taylor--for just about anything. They are quick to anger if she missteps and even more so when she doesn't. She can't win for trying. At the end of the day, it's all quite hilarious how people call Swifties unhinged--because the haters are a million times worse! We're just having fun and bonding over this musical genius. While they continue to be triggered by a successful woman who is enjoying her life and making music. So much so that they rant and scream into the internet about how much they hate her. Yikes for them.

Juliana Martinez

imagine her singing peace with him a show. A DREAM

Katie

Wow - such great fathoming here. Love all of the addendums to this vid. You two are the best! Thank you for this safe Swiftie space, sending you so much love ❤️

Lauren Alyssa

Thank you for talking about the hate going on lately, because it has been eating at me more than usual this week! I so relate to everything you both said. I have been a Taylor fan since debut, and so I also feel like I know her heart and intentions. I don't feel as alone in this sentiment when I watch you two be as positive and passionate as I wish others would be! I take it personally when people come to me, as the only swiftie they know, and start the conversation with the most recent hate they read online and ask how I could support that. It's infuriating. But like Emily said, it's impossible to change those people's minds, so I've given up trying to make them understand. We are all lucky to be fans of Taylor because she keeps us so fed and happy, and those who hate on her are missing out in life!

Alex

I’ve always liked Taylor and listened to pretty much every album but only a few songs. Midnights is the album i listened to from start to finish and i loved it and down the rabbit hole i went lol. It’s been an interesting ride a lot of info to learn but it’s been so much fun and gives me so much serotonin and I will never turn back from being a swiftie!!! I actually found you guys from your midnights reaction!

Grif H

Hey girl, I think there is a big difference between those two things, mainly in that matty has said many things that would warrant those titles throughout his career. As for Taylor, the situation in 2016 and now are vastly different in the content of the critiques. It is important as swifties to engage with conversations about her jet emissions, her continued financial support of corporations funding the conflict in palestine, as well as her silence on the matter. Where in 2016 the critiques were misogynistic and stupid, here the critiques are valid and bear real world consequences. I encourage you to seek out dialogues on the Taylor's involvement with the Palestinian genocide and climate activism online

alden

i am part of those people unfortunately 😂✋😭 you guys actually made me a swiftie over the pandemic. the in-depth lyrical breakdown made me realize that she's ACTUALLY a genius and now it's my roman empire lmao

libby

i absolutely loved taylor’s first 5 albums. however…. in the years between reputation to evermore, the only songs i’ve heard from her were “Look What You Made Me Do”, “ME!” and “You Need To Calm Down”. and bc that’s all i’ve heard, i assumed that all of her newer music was bad and wasn’t for me. HOWEVER when Red TV came out, ATW10 was trending on TikTok and so i listened to it and realized it was the best thing i’ve ever heard in my entire life. i then looked up reaction videos to the song on youtube and found your channel and fell in love with your content. and then i watched all of your breakdown videos for all of the albums i’ve missed from rep to evermore (and i will thank you guys every single day for all of the knowledge i now have about this women). and that is how i personally became obsessed with taylor swift over these past few years. it’s crazy how popular she’s gotten, but i honestly think it’s bc people fathomed that not all of her music sounds like “ME!” or “Shake It Off”

Amber

I was a pretty big fan during red - rep (went to 1989/rep tours etc) but then I got bullied in school for liking taylor so I stopped openly being a fan. That being said lover, folklore and evermore I listened to but they didn’t hit as hard for me. Once I got my own money and understood more about the re-recordings and what she was doing I came straight back on the fan train and I’m a bigger fan then before (to the point I got dumped this year for liking taylor too much). Having my own money and time I guess has allowed me to become way bigger of a fan and I follow her movements more now and can be more openly excited about things because I’ve matured enough to not care. Idk if anyone is on the same boat as I am but hope this helps with your fathoming!

Valerie

Midnights is the first album I fell in love with (and the way I found you guys) and I think for the longest time I had the unfortunate "I'm not like other girls" mentality. Just so much internalized misogyny and hatred toward anything feminine that I had to work through, and honestly a lot of the hate I see online right now reminds me of that. Thank you girls for creating this lovely hate free Swiftie community 🫶

Brandi Brock

Love the extra fathomings, Bonny!

Al

People who dont get why TS is being hated on need to understand right wing media and their insane partisanship. Fox News (right wing media hellhole) and Trump have concocted a conspiracy fever dream, which is a lot even for this ghoulish bunch. Through paranoia and sheer insanity they have crated a storyline where Taylor has been using Trav this whole time, in order to steal the moment away from football for her to take center stage at the SUPER BOWL to encourage all Americans to vote against Trump. Yes. You read correctly. That utter nonsense is what they are pushing to their desperate, unstable ,out of touch supporters. Unreal.

Daisy Ramirez

I think a big reason people hate on Taylor is because they simply do not have the mental capacity to fathom how good she is, in every way a person can possibly be good. She's truly such a kind hearted person who just so happens to be the biggest celebrity in the world right now and people can't fathom. They can't fathom that their favorites aren't even close to doing all the work she has done in different aspects of her life. No one can compete with her greatness and I think it makes a lot of people mad. & Don't even get me started on the media 😒🙄 I'm with Em when she said I take this personally. Same bestie. Taylor stands by her fans, loves & adores us and we have to do the same for her, bc she's been through enough. Also, thank you so much for creating this safe space for all of us genuine swifties. 🫶🏽 Em&Bon4ever ✨

Jentallygirl

Honestly, it’s the Super Bowl 😉 (the source of the current Taylor hate). American men are VERY TOUCHY about their NFL football territory. First, she’s had the gall to *simply attend* the Chiefs games… but now. She’s gonna whisk into LAS VEGAS on her private jet (nothing actually new to see here… just sayin’ 😆)… to once again, *simply attend* the SUPER BOWL???! Well, that’s just too much. She’s gone TOO FAR this time!! 😜 These miserable people have decided that anything and everything that ails them is HER DAMN FAULT… and there are LOTS of ails, lol… so buckle up! 💣💥🙌🏈 🥳🫶💕🤣💋

Ethan Nguyen

i love that you all came back multiple times plsssssss

Reese

To answer your question Emily Around 22 minutes, I like to call myself a reborn swiftie. Fearless was my first CD when I was a child and of course I knew all of the big hits and I kind of fell into that trap of like “she just writes about her boyfriends” and I didn’t really know much else from her albums. Like I remember watching look what you made me do for the first time in thinking how iconic it was, but I never was a Swiftie until right before fearless TV came out, which feels like a full circle moment for me. It’s very interesting having old nostalgia as well as new info and I love being a part of this community now I am so glad I’m here.

Emmie Kruger

I don't understand how you can become a fan of Taylor and then suddenly hate on her. The longer I'm a fan (been a fan since Debut), the more I love her. I can critique her in context and of course no one is perfect, but she is such an amazing artist and person. I don't see a logical way that you could have actually liked her and been a fan and then not....like I wish people would also just allow themselves to enjoy things and be like other people.

Alex

omg totally! It's so weird to me too!

shilaakadar

hey, just to add more to Bonny’s theory at the end there.. electric touch feat. FALL out boys???????? 👀

Melanie

I was talking to my grandmother the other day about taylor. She absolutely adores her and she’s also a massive football fan so it’s interesting. We had overheard a bar tender talking about how obnoxious it is that she’s “taken over football”. My grandma brought it up later that day and I told her “I don’t understand how someone can hate a person who just loves.” She loves her boyfriend, she loves her fans, and she loves what she does so why do others feel the need to be so negative about her?

Olivia🐱

I think that she shouldn’t be free from criticism but people criticize her for literally anything and everything, she really can’t win. I think that people just hate on successful women and think that it’s okay to be hateful just because she’s a public figure. Additionally, people who criticize her for her artistry are simply wrong and don’t know her work past the singles and don’t bother to dig any deeper. But at the end of the day, those hateful people really don’t matter😙✌🏼

Laura

here's my swiftie journey! my childhood best friend and I were obsessed with fearless when it came out (we were 8). I loved her as a person and enjoyed the singles for speak now but I didnt really connect with the fairytale theme because i was in a serious tom boy phase lol. Red I loved, all too well was on repeat for a really long time and then 1989 she was huge and everywhere and I went to the tour but I wasnt as big of a fan as I once was, I think because all of my friends were obsessed with like one direction and 5sos at this point and she just kinda took the back seat. I remember when the kanye shit went down not believing that she deserved the hate but was also too far removed at this point so I didnt really listen to rep when it was out. I loved the singles for Lover (you need to calm down was around the time I discovered I was gay and lover is just so beautiful!) and then folklore changed everything for me. The pandemic and feeling isolated and I was at a low in my life, I actually found your guy's reaction and thats how I got really into the album. Your deep dive into it taught me everything that I had missed out on so I could understand the meaning for all the songs. I went back to really listen to things I had missed and am now a die-hard rep stan (thanks bonny!) I know I am going to be a life-long fan now because I just think she's incredibly talented and down to earth!! so thank ya'll for passing down your swiftie wisdom and pretty much being the reason I will be a taylor stan till the day I die! ily!!

Hollie

I am possibly the only one but Eyes Open was my biggest loss. It is my absolute favourite and I was so happy it made it all the way through last year. Yesterday was crushing. I fear what will be left by the time she gets to London in August🫣

Katinka Meyers

My answer on Emily's question: My short story as a swiftie ;). I was born in 1998 ;) and I grew up with wanegbt and ikywt as the first songs I heard from her but never listened to the others. Then 1989 came and I listen to the whole album but still not fully emerged in the swift universe and also with a little bit of 'shame' that I listened to her. Then I didn't listen to her for a very long time wich being the next song that is listened to was exile. I knew Bon Iver for a very long time so I was very intrigued by that. Then I heard the news about midnights and I remember it very well that on one morning I was making myself ready to go to work (my first job as an adult) I said hmm maybe let's listen to her new album. So I listened to the album on my way to work on my bike and then something clicked. I watched your reaction on YouTube afterwords like a million times (really). And suddenly I was part of the whole swift universe by your knowledge. And I love it! 💙

Sara🇸🇪

I love you guys and this community so much🤍 whatever hate she will get she will always have us the fans, her family and close friends, i think she so aware and secure in that that if the outside hates her that does’nt hurt her as much anymore! And thats why she can be so unhinge and just do what the F she wants i am all here for it🤓😍 and bonny and em thank you for making this fandom even more exiting😍 would not have been the swiftie i am without you guys! And even my mom joined, and my nieces and nephews loves taylor.

mik

tbh my ONLY experience has been so much excitement and support!

Vivien

So I’m a swiftie since 2021 so my first album release was red TV. I actually became a swiftie because of Olivia Rodrigo. I never had anything to do with the music industry before and I didn’t even really know what an album was (can’t imagine that now). But then Drivers license was released and I fucking loved it and what made me love it so much was the songwriting. So when Olivia talked about Taylor all the time and how much she got her songwriting for her I wanted to check her out! Sour was then the first album I ever listened to completely and actually waited for the release and got all excited and stuff. And after sour I started listening to Taylor and not just her radio singles and what can I say, I fell in love. I also discovered you guys because of your sour reaction and just in general seeing the whole swiftie fandom and experiencing the feelings made me feel so like I belonged somewhere if that makes sense? I also became so obsessed with all too well that year so when we got the 10 min version at the end of the year I was just so happy and had even more to obsess over.

Sivan Moshe

Hellaur! I'm here since Midnights! Craziest journey of my life

Lynny Smith

My swiftie journey was from the ripe old age of 9 with debut - I learnt how to play guitar from learning tear drops on my guitar and I’ve been devout ever since, it’s my longest relationship to date 😂 her music has taken me through every stage of growing up and I wouldn’t have wanted to do it with anyone else 🫶🏻 Also side note I’m a big eyes open and an even bigger electric touch Stan so this was a hard loss 😭😭😭

Lynny Smith

ALSO!! It makes me mad that this woman breaks an all time record and people are focusing on every other thing that she’s “done wrong” like she honestly cannot win - its so hard as a fan seeing this happen to her again but also know she is so much stronger now within her career and herself and the real fans will always have her back 🫶🏻

Lynny Smith

You’re not alone, I LOVE eyes open 😭😭😭

Elísabet Ásta Magnúsdóttir

Im one of those people 🙋🏻‍♀️ And Im here because I love everything she does! You put her and this amazing society of swifties on my radar with your Red TV reactions on YT. I am one of the people who didn’t catch on early maybe because Im two years older than Taylor or she wasn’t that popular in my country I don’t know so I just heard the singles played to death and didn’t really like her 🙈 I saw you react to All to well 10 and fell in love with it! I started going down the rabbit hole and realised like I say to other people now that If you really listen to all her music (not just the singles) you discover all the gems 💎 I have been following the rereleases and discovering one album after another, deep diving with you and its so much fun, I have been saving them until TV so I’m experiencing going through the eras with her and the swifties and it magical! I think for me its the story of it all I love all the details. Plus remember when we were kids and there was always this anticipation for all kinds of things there wasn’t all this instant gratification you had to wait for your favourite tv show every week and so on I think this taps into that the surprise and anticipation is so much fun! I have been into true crime for example and that can get really dark and you cant take it all the time but this community is so lovely and the music its just all so positive, joyful and uplifting to be a part of. In June I will be seeing Taylor in London with my 10 year old daughter and I cannot wait! I love you guys I have no real life swifties in my life except my daughter and of course she doesn’t fathom yet on this level so for the extensive fathoming I am here with all of you! The falling apart fathoming better not mean shes falling apart, I don’t think so she has told us that she is ready for those waves now so she knows they come and go and maybe shell use it to release reputation 👀 but Im rooting for her so hard that I’ve started fathoming football also to join her for the games 😂 Shes the best, this community is the best and I cant wait to be here with you through TS11! 🤍

Megan

You're both so funny! These videos literally make my day!

Megan

I've always likes Taylor and added her songs to my playlists but was a casual fan but ATW10 got me in my feels and resonated in me in a way that made me seek out more and I guess once I started watching reactions and learning more I went down a very deep rabbit hole and now I love every second of time I've been involved in this fandom!

Renee Albert

The way Emily says “Poets” 🫶

alex

Honestly people hating on successful woman is getting old.. like grow the f up

Andrea

so relatable!! the more you know, the more you love her, it's impossible not to!

charlychops

I'm all for people holding big celebs accountable for bad behaviour etc. but this really seems like a non-issue. There's footage of her thanking Celine after the speech on stage, haven't we all forgotten to do something and felt bad after? Her speech is her time to do what she wants (just like Jay Z did?), so she can definitely announce an album? Also it was a room full of millionaire celebrities, I find it hard to get too worked up about them :D In terms of her dancing, Miley literally said "how are you all pretending you don't know this song" which everyone loved, so why is Taylor literally enjoying her fellow performers a problem?!

Clara

I totally agree with what you said about Taylor! I was mostly just referring to how people on twitter decided to join in on the hate bandwagon when they see something online and don’t verify it or do their own research which is exactly what happened with Matty. what he was being accused of was taken out of context and spread around as if it was true. Matty has such a long history of being an advocate for minorities, women, the environment all throughout his career so it was crazy seeing majority of the fandom not take that into consideration when they decided to right Matty of as the worst person alive/to date Taylor. now we’re seeing people on socials coming at Taylor with false and made up accusations which sucks to see because like you said there’s space for us to actually criticize her without haters being so nasty about it

charlychops

Also, I swear when she announced the restart of the secret song list she did say that she still wants to play them all, but she's opening it back up to have some more choice?

charlychops

Also alsoooooo I am such an electric touch stan too. I love the original with the two voices. Makes me feel like both the people are equally anxious about it going well. This version was simply superior and I need to find good video of it to get in my feels about.

Carla Ferreira

I saw the Grammys and thought nothing of it. She's literally being hated on for no good reason. I saw a instagram story that accused her of being mid, a representation of white feminism and a true capitalist. Once I aproached that person to ask them why they did not like her and they came up with was "I just don't like her as a person", and "Stuffs been coming out that affirms that". What stuff? They literally said nothing. They stopped replying because they have no evidence whatsoever to support that opinion. Some people are so flimsy Istg

Gustav Lucas

I had to look up Tall Poppy Syndrome, seems like it’s a down under thing 😂 But you’re right, regardless of Taylor herself, it’s so interesting to watch the evolution of the public’s reaction to success and fame!

Gustav Lucas

Emily : WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE!!!

IDK

I am a swiftie as of March. So less than a year but she's my fave artist already. Basically the eras tour clips on TikTok caught my attention and then I listened to folklore and that was it. Also your passion is so infectious that watching your folklore reaction made my swiftie-ism kind of inevitable

Char

i watch you guys religious especially around any taylor update and i love this small community we have that knows we will always lift one another up and we will always love her so much through all the hate, it enrages me seeing her attacked over any little move she may do even when 99% of the time the media are covering her over the tiniest things like just existing ! it is not her fault. i feel like we are all a family and i’m so happy we all have this community

Dawn

no but i have to say that people who used to hate on her and make fun of her and now all of a sudden are going to the Eras Tour cause it's "trendy" is kind of not seating well with me. Like one of my closest friends used to always make fun of me for loving her and calling Taylor annoying, and now she's flying to see the tour and i really can't appriciate that. If these ppl really have fathomed her then i'm so happy, but when it's fake and you don't actually like her or care about her work it's making me sad.

maja

all the hate taylor has gotten this week has really affect me more than usually and i know i have to stop taking it personal and just tune out the general public and keep reminding myself that we are the ones that actually know her and her intentions but it‘s so hard. i really hope she knows that the people that really matter won‘t leave her and will always support and love her. i just hate all these stupid comments so much

Molly

I was always a casual fan but when the eras tour started and I saw all the clips of it on tiktok I just kind of fell in love with the atmosphere that surrounded taylor, how everyone seemed so happy and drawn to her, you know? I'm not usually one to be a fan of artists, if I like a song cool but I've never been that interested in those behind the music. But I have an addictive personality so once I started falling down the rabbit hole of taylor swift it kind of just spiralled from there and now I'm here.

Nick S

I became a stan shortly after evermore came out. Until you do a deep dive, I don't think you can see that Taylor has always been the same Taylor-- who puts her whole heart and authentic self in everything she does. ❤️

maja

also i think it‘s so interesting how the chiefs have become so hated by football fans because of how successful they‘ve been the last years and how travis can probably relate to being 'the villian‘ purely bc of how successful he is (on a very different scale obviously) and his approach is so different from taylor where she only wants to be loved by people he says the booing motivates him to prove them wrong i really think he can be such a positive help for her in situations like this

Nikki Trebels

I have been a fan a little before midnights. I started getting obsessed with the lover album. Before i was obsessed with some rep songs, even 1989 and then obviously the famous songs of red and fearless. While getting to know the lover album, i started to explore her other albums and starting to read about her personal life as well (kanye things, rerecord process. Then Starting to fall in love with speak now (then stolen version). I became obsessed with all the songs, but not all at once. Just like two songs at a time . YOUR CHANNEL HELPED TREMENDOUSLY. Watched all your videos and keeping up to date with the ones you posted. Then midnights dropped and i became obsesssed. Watching your reaction videos. Slowly over time i explored other albums fully, like fearless, 1989, and debut. I thought i HATED Folklore and evermore. But i guess i wasnt ready for that yet (like in 2021). NOW I CANNOT IMAGINE HATING THESE ALBUMS WTF. Then the eras tour came, the rerecords came. Taylor was all I ever listened to all day (while before i listened to so many other artistts). SHE FULLY CONQUERED ME. Then subscribing to your patreon. Fathoming with you, into such fucking detail: AMAZING. Now im still discovering songs: like just this month i discover the offensive The great war and dear reader LIKE WTF. But its just like slowly getting to me. And thats what i love. Not all at once, but a few songs at a time. My favorites change every week. But by listening tocher songs every day for 2/3 years now, i start to know every lyric, screaming to it in my room, the car, the gym, the train. Its actually illegal. And i pre-ordered my first vinyl (TTPD), which i have never done before. I am in the process of collecting the vinyls of her whole discography. Long story short, discovering her, her fandom, you, the deeper layer of her easter eggs, her songs, album concepts, perfomances etc. ITS A FUCKING LOT, BUT I LOVE IT SO MUCH. This is why people don’t get her. It takes years to fully fathom her existence in this way.. OVERWHELMING BUT AMAZING. Btw, current favorite song is I bet you think about me FTV TV. It changes every week tho😂 LOVE YOU BYE

Nikki Trebels

Btw, back in like 2018 i was obsessed with king of my heart, getaway car, CIWYW and gorgeous. I’d listen to it all day. WHY DIDNT I DIVE INTO HER DISCOGROPHY BACK THEN??? I guess my brain wasnt ready or interested to listen to her offensiveness. Wasted years… but now i am all in guys

BenQM

I'm one of the people who came on with the release of red TV, and as I recall, it was literally because the coverage of it was suddenly very present in my corner of the internet. I never saw Taylor related stuff on any of my feeds, aside from mainstream news coverage that I ignored, but suddenly, my whole youtube was filled with reactions to red tv (chief among them, two Australian girls reacting to ATW10 ;) ) and basically just on a whim I decided to watch a few. Since I found a corner of the fandom I liked from the start, I don't really venture out into the rest of the fandom, and basically just get everything filtered through you two, so I don't see much of the negative stuff.

💯

Thankful for you both every day and the safe space on youve created with your content! Love you both!!

Kylee Newberry

Interesting she said she relates to Eyes Open because she wrote it. How everyone is watching for her downfall and she always has to be on her toes and careful. Then Travis says the word "electric" all the time. And in the bridge she says how he won't need space and string her along, which sounds like what Joe did to her.

💯

So I knew about her previous to Midnights but I joined as a seriously Swiftie after. I def was led to believe that she wasnt “great” andn it wasnt “cool” to be her fan. However, now I know that was two people being loud and now the entirety of my work office discusses secret songs! I think alot of people are afraid to love a popular thing or love a goood thing because we are afraid itll be fake later. But Taylor is true!!

Candice Rossi

I’m also such an electric touch fan it got so much hate saying that there wasn’t enough Fall Out Boy or it was cringe or it wasn’t EMO enough or it was just not good and I strongly disagree. I think her and Patrick Stump harmonize beautifully in that song and it just makes me want to sing and scream my lungs out every time I hear it in my car so electric touch stans unite

ella.pxner

So if been a fan since the summer, actually close to speak now tv. I listened to midnights in January and enjoyed that, but then stopped listening again. Later, I found her through all the eras Tour TikToks and then wanted to know what the hype was about, but I was so overwhelmed by all of her Albums. So I decided that everytime I would see a song of her on TikTok I would listen to it and get slowly into it. Then I found a friend who was a fan and she recommended me songs and we talked about them. So then over the summer holidays I went through her entire discography and made memories with it and fell in love. Since then I fathomed her and her songs with your help and now I would consider myself a fan. That really connected me and my friend and I just got so much Joy out of her songs. This new album is my first album release, beside 1989 tv, that I will be a part of as a fan and I am so excited. I am also really overwhelmed with all the opinions people have about her and just try to block them out. Btw my favorite Albums are Reputation and Evermore. Thank you so much for everything

Nele

love you guys so much !!! everything you say i can 100% agree to 🤍

Staci DaSilva

I became a fan before Midnights but still recently, I think around Fearless TV. I got sucked into some clips on my For You page and then got into all her albums. Before that, I liked and respected her but only knew the singles. I think her popularity has boomed so much because if you got into her music when I did (in the pandemic), you not only get to experience the new music but the re-recordings let you into her past work too. It didn’t feel like you were listening to old stuff just to catch up. It was new because she made it new and she wanted you to appreciate and experience it with her. As for the “hate,” people don’t really know about it outside of the fandom. Like in 2016, people on the outside did not think/know she was canceled. They might have known something happened with Kanye but I don’t think people thought it was super serious. People on the outside now, think she is 100% beloved and celebrated.

Allison

Emily I’m sorry for your loss of the outside tonight, but also her surprise song have been following a pattern thus far (idk why) but she’s done midnights, red, red, speak now, speak now, and then debut. I’m gonna say if it debut on guitar tomorrow there is 100% a reason for the pattern (I don’t know what that reason is but probably something)

labyrinthpeaches

Sorry you were feeling a bit rushed and unfocused! <3 I personally LOVE both Eyes Open and Electric Touch so that would have been an amazing night for me :D I'm sorry you didn't get to see the whole Eyes Open performance because her vocals were so good, hopefully you can watch the full thing when you do a re-fathoming! Sometimes lately Tess's live has been restricted for me so I often keep folkleric on twitch open as a backup and they usually manage to have a stream going so that might work for you too if someone hasn't already suggested it! Also agree Electric Touch sounds beautiful on piano <3

miray

i was listening taylor in the red and 1989 era but only the big singles which has music videos i was born in 2000 so popular musics are our thing in teenage years. when the red tv came out me and my friend found out they are same songs but new version we were like wtf, again we listened same popular songs but when we watched atw film i immediately love the song and listened all my old favorites that year. when midnights dropped i listened the whole album and started to watch reaction videos like yours and many others. that’s the turning point for me because i realized there was a whole big world standing in front of me and i didn’t started fathomed any bit. so when i got over midnights era little bit i listened songs i didn’t heard and eras tour two re-recordings etc i loveeeddd every single thing she says got obsessed my whole world became her..

labyrinthpeaches

I just typed out a whole paragraph and it only posted the first sentence :D Anyway, I personally LOVE Eyes Open and Electric Touch so this would have been an amazing night for me :D I’m sorry you didn’t get to see the whole Eyes Opens performance because the vocals were so good! Hopefully you’ll get to watch the full thing in a refathoming! Sometimes Tess’s live lately for me has been restricted so I keep folkleric on twitch open just in case and they usually manage to have a stream going, just in case someone hasn’t suggested that already. Also I agree, Electric Touch on the piano is beautiful!

Ashley

If she wasn't in a relationship with Travis, the Grammy's probably would have been the first time we heard from her since November. The NFL leaning into her popularity really opened the door to "over exposure"

Rachel

I was out of college when Debut came out. I still remember hearing “Our Song” on the radio for the first time! I started buying her CDs with Fearless and I was kind of a secret Swiftie I suppose; especially bc I was older and none of my friends were into it. Accidentally skipped Red era because I had a baby but I came back for 1989 big time and never left! We had a Reputation listening party at work when it came out. And I am so thankful for the re-records so I could have a Red moment. So glad to find this community where I can be excited about something I love! Also since I’m old I’m not on TikTok and avoid a lot of the haters…washed up and ranting about the same old things….😉

Marissa Killpack

I am so glad you asked about the fandom getting bigger I have been also so confused about that! I think a lot of people started listening to Taylor when Folklore was released because it was covid and it was suppose to be something different, for instance I of course was listening to it and my boyfriend wanted to listen as well?! He never wanted to before haha

Carlos Rabell Trullenque

Well, no one likes to see how this woman that we love gets hate, but honestly I'm quite chill with this. We all know that haters gonna hate and, as Bonny said, whenever they get tired of the hate they will fall in love with her again. I know it's so unfair for her, but I truly believe that she knows that all of us real swifties got her back and we will be supporting and loving her for the rest of our days no matter what. Thank you girls for being a big part of the Taylor Swift world for most of us. Sending lots of love <3

Liam Mcfarlane

“Who are all these people and where did they come from?!” - Me, a day one swiftie while fighting for my life to get eras tickets

Miantsa

I’ve been an Eyes Open stan since it first came out, as a swiftie AND an absolute Hunger Games fan her two songs for the soundtracks were a DREAAAAMM and each bringing different feelings… I get that some people rank it so low (I don’t but I can respect that 😭) and I’m tired of defending it but I’ll say I would’ve been SUPER HAPPY with that combination of secret songs! 😍 and truly we get so much during her concert (I don’t even have tickets lol) so I wish for 2024 we just enjoy secret songs for what they are and stop “evaluating/judging” how one show “won” or “lost” over another 🥲🥲

F1Swiftie

I’ve a similar Swiftie history: I first saw her on Ellen doing Love Story in 2008 when promoting Fearless and loved it. I remember listening to Fearless and Speak Now a lot when they came out. I missed Red bc getting married and having a baby, never followed any of the news about her. Loved 1989 and the Shake It Off video and song were my daughter’s favorite things. She was 1 year old. It was what we’d put on if she was having a meltdown and it was like a happy switch. As a parent iykyk! I missed all the drama with 2016, missed reputation. Came back with Lover and then 2020 brought folklore/evermore. I was on the fringes of Taylor as a person until the past 2-3 years when I started looking into more things - found Ally on YT and then Bon & Em and loving it all! Ps i was scared of rep bc of the cover & didn’t know anything about its significance, and now it’s my favorite album!

Miantsa

1000% agree on the unnecessary hate. I don’t usually engage with such posts or comments but lately I’ve been hearing people around me say “so sick of Taylor” and stuff like that and now I immediately put them in their place and ask “but do you actually hate her? What do you not like about her. Or is it just that you are sick of the media and every brand using her as an opportunity to monetize their unrelated content” and that shuts them up bc they don’t know what to say. I can respect people not liking her music or thinking that she doesn’t embody their values. But to hate JUST BECAUSE?? I’m so sick of the narrative that we need to put one woman down in order to allow enough space to lift up another. WE CAN ALL SUPPORT EACH OTHER AND LIFT EACH OTHER UP !! We need to destroy that “there’s only one spot” mentality 🤦🏽‍♀️

Emilia

Back in like 2010-2014 I was OBSESSED with Taylor's singles as I was in my music video era lol. I didn't really have any other way of listenong to music except youtube, as I was like 6-10 years old, so I didn't really know about what was out there yet (especially being from Europe and none of it was advertized that much, at least not to my eyes and ears). But around the time when RED TV came out, I started fathoming and began discovering all the songs that had been out of my reach back then. Somehow, I really enjoyed becoming a legit swiftie later, because there really was, and still is, so much new things to learn and find out. It's just so exciting💗

Alice

Have you guys seen that Clara Bow’s Hollywood star is at the corner of Sunset & Vine? 🫢

Brynna Scarbrough

Hiiiii I’m a swiftie that joined during Red TV.. to be honest, I never really listened to Taylor before, I don’t know why. I guess I just thought her music was basic and bland haha but that’s because I didn’t really know many songs and don’t choose to really listen to the ones I knew. The thing that changed for me was a couple of things. First of all, I had a really intense heartbreak and Red TV came at the perfect time. It was like Taylor was the only one who knew what I was going through and could put the feelings perfectly into words. I started watching reactions on YouTube to All Too Well 10 min, and that’s how I found you guys. Everyone was talking about Taylor’s crazy web of a songwriting world, and that’s when my obsession began. There’s always more with her.. more to learn and to know and to fathom.. you can never get bored! When I saw how much she cared about her fans and how much quality content she was putting out, I just had to go down the rabbit hole. The final piece to the puzzle was the eras tour.. of course I’d never seen her live but when I went to the tour I understood.. she has this magic about her to connect with you as an individual even though she’s standing alone on a stage.. it was like she was there just for me. I truly believe that if all the haters went to the eras tours they would have to admit that she’s the greatest ever.. no one has ever made a show like that with that much range and content and imagery and personality and intimacy how tf did she do it. So yeah.. in summary, I think the influx of new fans is from 1. re-records causing us to refathom old Taylor 2. Midnights coming at the perfect time to let us experience a crazy Taylor era 3. Eras tour showing us the best of who she is. She really did something combining all of this, and to all the haters out there… my personal opinion is that there’s way less of them than they would like us to believe.. I think this won’t result in a repeat of 1989 because everyone has fallen in love with Taylor, old and new, pop folk and country.. we’ve fathomed HER and she’s become an important part of our lives. At least, that’s my perspective as a new fan. Let the haters live their sad lives.. Taylor’s going to keep doing new fucked up stuff, and they’ll have to keep scraping for things to hate her for because she always proves people wrong. They’re missing out on history, how embarrassing for them 😝

Rachel

Rep is my favorite too!

Char

how iconic would it be for her to play mean as a surprise song with all this going on

Char

they talked about it on their yt vid !

Courtney Brooks

What if her and Travis are falling apart? Have you guys seen any of his media days leading up to the Super Bowl? He told some reporters he didn’t know where she was…..

mariapia

i will love ts until the day i die and beyong. thank you very much.

Kellie Mahoney

I think anyone who’s been around since the early stages of her career has known this hate was coming, the over exposure to the public has always created hate for her. I don’t know that she actually panned this hate, but I think she would have expected it since it’s been a pattern in her career. The timing will probably line up perfectly for her release of Reputation. At least the fake fans who just go with whatever public opinion is will leave just like during the original Reputation era

LadyQ

Ladies... remember... It's an election year here in the States. Because she is the brightest light in the world right now, propagandists will seek to utilize her to their will. Back in 2012, it was made legal in the US to use propaganda on it's own citizens and since then things have simply gone nuts as far as news and politics. When was the last time she was cancelled? 2016... When Trump won. Additionally, it's you're likely seeing mostly bots and AI seeking to create division to ensure we stay in a state of hostility because it's scientifically proven that an emotional mind cannot process logic. https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-ban-spreads-government-made-news-to-americans/ Don't play into their hands and try to spread these possibilities instead of allowing them to get us all riled up!

Cassady

The hate is just soo unnecessary thank god for your videos and this community I don’t think I’ve ever not laughed at one of your posts. Hopefully the haters get bored or will be silenced by the rep vaults 🤐

Ramon❀°。

For me electric touch being sad really emphasized the line "this could either break my heart or bring it back to life" rlly is giving like its too late she's already fallen. So its like at this point in the relationship with Travis she's like WELP he's either gonna be the one or rlly ruin me.

Ramon❀°。

SCREAMINGGGG " We need to be a smaller fandom again" like fr need to stray from "swifties" and rebrand - like if you DO NOT know all the lyrics on debut pls do not sit with me!!

Taylor

Omg if she drops Rep before TTPD I will die! I really didn’t think she was going to until this video

asquared13

I also noticed her songs choices for surprise songs. Makes me wonder if she stresses about how the hate lately and the questions Travis is getting this week makes her worried about that impacting their relationship. Completely valid given how much she worries her fame & everything that comes with that will affect her personal life because it has before.

anna

The fact she said she was relating to eyes open.. "everyone waiting to see the fallout" " everybody is watching".... I feel like its a reference to the hate rn

justine

i was a fan of taylors for debut, fearless, and speak now. i was around during red but fell off bc it didn’t really resonate with me. then i tried folklore and couldn’t connect during covid and thought i would not be a fan again. i have a bff that has always been a taylor fan and she brought me back into the fandom and shown me your page and taught me so much i have a new appreciation for her music and love it all more than i did originally.

KaiteGT

I was stuck on hater Taylor Tiktok and it was scary I was not having a good time.

Jana Müller

I've been listening to Taylor since the Fearless Era but mainly the singles. I don't know how many times I watched the You Belong With Me and Wildest Dreams music videos.😂 I then tried to get into her during the Lover Era but that was a bit too sparkly pop for me at the time. So when folklore and evermore came out it was perfect for me as a gateway to all of her work. And honestly, your channel played a huge role in how fast I fell down the rabbit hole and stayed there ever since. And I agree, I sometimes wish the whole community was as "small" as when you guys started. But I think this phase of fame won't last forever and when it dies down, hopefully the drama will subside.

anna

just got to bonnys fathoming lol

Hannah

I think its also important to differentiate between hate and criticism

Jaden

AHAHAHA the rant at the end I love it! but literally when Red TV came out literally 1 person I followed reposted the announcement and then when she announced speak now literally my ENTIRE TIMELINE was people reposting the announcement like WHERE DID YALL COME FROM its insane how big she's gotten this past year its blowing my mind and scaring me a little bit... unless you're here then I love you bc we know the real ones are here

Alejandra Rodríguez

Hello, could anyone tell me what the hate is about? Is it about the eras tour film being release on Disney and people are boycotting Disney? Or is it something else? I’m not up to date :(

Connor Hagan

love love love you ladies but i think this criticism right now is more than just the same old narrative that was used against her at the end of 1989. this is a whole new taylor and a whole new audience and while a lot of the hate is silly and unnecessary, a lot of it is very valid. it should be completely fair to criticize somebody with one of the biggest carbon footprints in the world during a climate crisis, and i also think it should be fair to criticize her lack of being vocal about humanitarian issues and crises despite her wanting to solidify herself as an activist and someone on the right side of history back in 2019. it just kind of feels like a slap in the face sometimes because it feels like the "activist era" was just simply that. an era. idk. i hope this doesnt come across as just more hate but i think its always important to take a step out of the fandom-ness of it all and see what critiques are valid and which are not.

Missy_P

When Bonnie mentioned the "fall apart" connection for surprise songs this week, my first thought was Post Malone's song "I Fall Apart" and maybe she'd planned those ahead of time as a subtle Easter Egg for the collab since the TTPD tracklist likely wouldn't have been revealed yet. But I think that's just a weird coincidence. :)

Carlee Unger

Long time casual Taylor fan and major fan since folklore…I think people got on and off the Taylor train for the same reason, people just want to fit in at the end of the day. Everyone saw our sense of community and how much fun we were having around Eras, and now that’s not the cool place to be. My coworkers were bashing her this week and I took it sooo personally. But I realize now that I felt that way because it felt like they wanted to make it seem that loving her was weird and outdated now. Hopefully we can get back to loudly loving what we love but until then, glad I can always just hop on discord with the latest theories and clownery

Alison

My issue is when the people criticizing (which is mostly what I have seen), are A. Not doing anything actively themselves to take part in climate activism. B. Not speaking on ANY other celebrity who is doing the SAME things as Taylor. C. Not actively participating in their local GOVERMENT or ELECTED OFFICIALS who are the ones whose job is to actually make changes in the legislation and serve citizens. They just sit anonymously behind their keyboard and talk shit about Taylor because they hate her and are jobless.

Alison

I also don't think it's safe for Taylor to speak on Gaza, I'll say it - it's way too dangerous for her and her fanbase with the size of the crowds she is drawing to these shows. She's also not a goverment agency or elected official, again. No one in their right mind (unless driven by hate) would think Taylor is OK with what is going on there. No sane human is.

Jennifer

So true. If she were a man nobody would be distracted by what she was wearing or if she was rude.

Tspd7

i agree that taylor is not infallible. and there are things to critique. but this weeks hate train is very much because of the grammys. which i think has been blown out of proportion and people were just picking her every move apart to find something to hate.

Tess7

Eyes Open is superior. I’m sorry you lost it, but you’ll get something great at your show 🙂

Laura M

Honestly I have listened to Taylor swift for forever but only casually because I found it difficult to comprehend being a swiftie simply because of the hours folks put in. I didn’t know all the background or where to start and I’m kinda an all or nothing person so even though I would be excited about an album release I didn’t follow her super closely until the last several years because I straight up didn’t know where to start on understanding Easter eggs or anything like that. Idk would be happy to chat about it but it’s hard to describe but with the rereleases there has been so much more content that’s approachable for a new fan to digest all the information that there is to comprehend about each album.

Lily

Before I was blessed by folklore, my only perception of Taylor was through the singles. She was one of the famous pop stars. Folklore was really something so different and the first album of hers I really connected to. Since then I feel like Taylor has had such a continuous presence on social media and in pop culture which is a direct reflection of her doing the most with releasing more music than basically any other artist leading up to now. She's been SO successful and rightfully so, and as you mention I think it's just a matter of over exposure for some people and that the Grammys was a turning point in which people saw their opportunity to flip the discourse. Maybe things will change and the hype will settle but I think as long as she keeps up this tempo of releasing music and touring, the exponential growth of fans will follow. She gives people something to obsess over and as a big fan of other artists, she is now always there when they're not. I will also say personally, this community has been such a huge part in my fathoming of Taylor and her genius mind and the reason why now she's one of my most loved artists, so thank you guys, I love it here.

CamilleC

Still think she could release Reptv this month, she said she collects her albums like horcruxes. I think in the eras tour she's collecting her "eras albums" but also makes new music, works perfectly and joe is in the eras. New life with Travis will be after this tour imo

Brittany Diamond

It's currently stuff that ranges from chronically online silliness like 'she ignored Celine' and 'she took Lana on stage to embarrass her' to something a bit more important but still wayyy blown out of proportion like her jet's CO2 emissions. Yes, she could use her plane better, but she's hardly even a celebrity who uses their plane the most (and of course none of that compares to even a single corporation's emissions, a single person is not the enemy). She tried compensating for emissions through buying these credit things that apparently do not work, and we can all reasonably assume that she will do something different when she finds that out. That's literally it. Nobody outside of social media cares though, Twitter just felt like being particularly silly about her this week.

Jennifer

Taylor has said that estimates of her private flights are "blatantly incorrect" as her plane is frequently lent out (did she mean rented out?) to third parties. She recently sold one of her two planes. She offset the carbon for Eras twice over and although the value of offsets is debatable she's at least making an effort. I have strong negative feelings about private jets but would rather Taylor use one for her personal safety.

Maddie

I love Taylor but it’s super disappointing that she’s not called for a ceasefire everyone should even more so the larger your platform is thousands of people have died, and her carbon emissions are painful to watch, just like anyone who uses private jets asking her to do better is absolutely ok. Nobody is above feedback and whilst I LOVE her music and the joy she brings we are in a climate crisis and emitting that much carbon is a violent crime.

yara abi karam

Tokyo really be winning with the piano songs 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺 like WTH

yara abi karam

I’m one of the people who joined taylor’s fandom recently actually :) I fathomed this woman’s superiority between Fearless and Red TV and honestly for me it was the transition between high school and moving to college where I honestly just fathomed music in general and how much I needed it in my life. And obviously if you love music you get exposed to taylor at some point and I immediately fell in love with her LOL. and the rest is historyyy

Sarah

I knew about Taylor early on through all her singles, but I never fully got into her because I fell into the media narrative (dated too much, she was manipulative, etc) and it was so uncool to like her. I remember snakegate happening and thinking oh wow maybe people were right? The night Midnights came out, I decided to give her a full album try because I heard about Folklore and it's critical acclaim. I think one of the great things about Midnights is that it has pop hits to draw you in and then you listen to the lyrics and realize damn she can Write. It feels like a good blend of 1989's catchiness and folkmore's writing to get new listeners to appreciate the range she has. But from there I started exploring her other albums (folklore was next and goddamn) and then. Eras tour happened. It kind of catapulted me from casual swiftie into a diehard. I was blown away by the entire show and her dedication. I started watching every night on TikTok which then turned my algorithm into just Taylor. I think the power of social media is so important for turning fans because TikTok is genuinely how I became entrenched into everything. I was learning lore, learning songs, watching interviews, just getting to love Taylor herself all through convenient quick videos made by fans. It felt like a cozy community and it caught me up to speed SO quickly. I also think the rerecordings are such a perfect way for people like me to be reintroduced to her old albums. The first time I ever heard Speak Now fully was when TV dropped. Helps me appreciate and learn about the album/era every time one comes out. tldr; A blend of Midnights releasing, eras tour, rerecordings, the power of social media, and the community made me become a swiftie.

Jennifer

By the time she gets to London TTPD will be out and you could be hearing something new and wonderful!

Alison

What Taylor has been the receiving end of is way more than simply "Feedback". Most of those idiots don't even vote in their local elections or even know who their state representatives are, don't write them about climate change or anything they just make remarks online to make themselves feel better and to tear a woman down, it's much easier and requires way less brain.

Nan

I think she wants to calm us down with the TS 11 announcement, so that she can scare the shit out of us with Rep TV in a couple of weeks when we're least expecting it! ;)

JeffreyC

All this unwarranted hate she's getting right really proves to state of society and how social media ruins everything. I've always said this, and i know we ofc should hate others but out of all celebrities & people in this world hating Taylor Swift it will show A LOT about your personality, who you are as a person & how you view society

Alison

She has more to think about than pleasing chronically online social justice warriors, she has millions of fans attending her shows all over the world, there are already Muslims and Jewish people being targeted by violence in the US. Hold your elected officials responsible for THEIR JOBS. Not Taylor's job or burden or responsibility at all. She has to consider her own safety and the safety of her millions of fans worldwide.

Kenedy

i was listening to dear reader today and fathomed that she says "burn all the FILES, desert all your past lives" which makes me think of the manuscript and the fact that she's entering something into evidence. also the poem she posted seemed like it was written on a file.... so maybe they're related somehow

Nan

Also - I'd like to add some context to the "Twitter Hate" from my perspective. It's worth noting that Twitter/X is now owned by Elon Musk, who is a known "disrupter" and supporter of Donald Trump's/MAGA Republicans. Upon his taking over Twitter, he dissolved departments charged with monitoring and preventing fake news/political propaganda and hate speech, in favor of "expanded free speech." As such, it's also important to note that there is most definitely a majority Right-Leaning/Extremist political faction on Twitter that's now taken over the narrative (which is why numerous companies no longer advertise on Twitter and many people have left). It's THAT particular demographic -- many of the Dads, Brads and Chads -- that have jumped on the "I hate TS and she is evil" train. So I'm not sure it's a good representation of what the world is actually thinking or feeling about Taylor. The negative narrative that promulgates Twitter currently is the loudest voice, unfortunately - but I really don't think it's the majority voice, worldwide. Hope that makes sense!

Maddie

I think it’s disgusting that she faces an INSANE level of misogyny I can’t imagine what that’s like at that level. However I would hate for Taylor and the fandom in general to miss an opportunity in critical thinking and reflections on our own actions and how we want to move through the world and how our actions impact it. It’s good to except better from Taylor she is so clever and can do better that’s a good thing, it would be amazing to see swifties hold space for valid critiques and not shut everything down when there is hate involved at this level of fame there always will be, but it’s not a free pass to be unthoughtful and miss lessons. Btw not hating on Taylor just think Stan culture needs to do better and as she’s the biggest star right now it would be cool to see her step up and lead by example x

Tess7

Thinking about Bonny fathoming the secret songs and “fallout” I realized that all the songs, including last nights all deal with poetry. They either say the word poems or poetry or there is a poem about the song title or lines in the song . Last nights piano song has a direct line from a Robert Frost poem. She is a mastermind. 🤯

Aanya 💗

hey guys 🤍 I just saw on tiktok that someone is leaking your patreon videos on their account. I’ve reported them, the account name is @emilyandbonnyfc , 🤍🤍🤍

Jeremiah Bell

I definitely think it’s okay to be critical and honest about the jet situation and being a a billionaire. BUT i think when some alt narcissist comes out of the woodwork and ONLY criticises her and not heaps of the other artists that are doing the EXACT same thing (if not worse). Idk it just feels soo performative and bitter. Like you don’t actually care about the cause, you just care about criticising her! and like if you want to hate her i guess go ahead, but don’t pretend you care about these causes when you just want to jump on a hate bandwagon. Like simply don’t listen to her music if you don’t like her, it’s not that serious!!

Katherine McClintic

playing eyes open was no accident with this turn in the tides!

Marissa

lol glad you jumped in at the end Bonny, I was going to comment about eyes open!

Leonara McNeal

I accepted my Swiftie-ness after Red (TV) and my only goal online is to spread positivity and joy thru my love of Taylor and her music. I want to help people feel special and excited when they get a Swiftie-win. It takes almost no energy to spread happiness. ❤🤩

Christine Violet

I was always a casual fan of hers, especially when she started going more pop… but it was honestly when she decided to rerecord everything, I just thought that was so badass… I started researching about it and then when Red TV came out I started watching reaction videos and truly became a swiftie ♥️♥️♥️

Steven Hanley

Responding to Em asking how newer Swifties were hooked. I fall into that camp. As an Australian I had never really heard Taylor swift music before as the only source of new music I tend to have is some times listening to Triple J which has the rather annoying Richard Kingsmill enforced no Taylor Swift rule and if I hear a song that really grabs me on a video I am watching (I got hooked on The Lumineers and Bronze Radio return when I heard their music backing some mountain bike videos I watched). I heard and fell in love with Girl in Red hearing You Stupid Bitch played on Triple J a bunch of times when the single came out. Then in April 2022 I had an accident on a bike that required major shoulder reconstruction and was stuck at home on the couch for many months, I happened to be watching more youtube stuff then ever and somehow came across Taylor Swift videos and got hooked by her absolute superior lyrics and musical skills. Now none of my friends can believe I ever was not a Swiftie because of how amazing I keep reminding everyone she is all the time.My musical history and even current listening tends to mostly be folk music (Ani Difranco, Joni Mithcell, Jodi Martin, Irish Mythen, Missy Higgins) and Taylor Swift.

Deborah Schapira

I jumped on the wagon when i "accidentally" heared midnights and was blown away by how understood i felt. Exactly at that time my 10 year relationship fell apart and her music has played such a big role in healing since then. ☺️

Elvia Kristoffersen

Yes, finally someone said it! I'm a fan, but she is not a Saint to me. (She is a human being making mistakes like we all do).

Jennifer

I don't think the hate is just because she's so successful. I think it's because she's not performing for a male gaze. The pornification of our culture has led to many straight men expecting female performers to dance and sing as though it's come-on, to signal sexual availability and compliance. Taylor creates, dances and sings as though her inner experiences and emotions are important, and by extension the perspectives and feelings of all girls and young women are important. She's not being an object - she's not writhing around, feeling herself up and licking things. Instead, she's calling men out for shitty behaviour. That's why Trump, his followers and the right wing media have it in for her. And that she is sexually available to men she has relationships with, she's sexually available to Travis, just rubs salt in the wound. She's just not sexually available to them! So she gets called promiscuous despite having a remarkably wholesome image for a women who's so successful and well-known, because how dare she choose! She has agency and power that stem from her talents, her work ethic, her Swifties and considerable financial clout. She's much better at making money than Trump ever was. And there is an authority gap, in our culture what straight men think tends to dominate which means some women will follow that, not having heard much of her music, since we are trained to devalue our own judgements and can do it unconsciously. Which isn't to say it's fine not to like her music. It's absolutely fine, but choosing to listen to something else is very different to the hate that goes on as has been pointed out.

Julie K

Same here!!

Julieta

I agree with some of the criticism, but I don’t agree with how it’s being delivered. As adults we have to think critically and see where there can be improvement, it’s not being hateful if it’s done respectfully (in my opinion). But yeah, that’s not what’s going on right now, everybody seems to be straight up hating. Having said that, I kind of would like to know if there’s things you don’t agree with her, and what are they :P .. I’m having trouble with “she’s a superior human and you don’t know or get her”. I think everybody makes mistakes, honest mistakes. On a more positive note, to answer Em, I joined around the folklore/Red TV time. I obviously knew her and her singles, but hadn’t deep dived into her work. What mostly had me hooked was her trying to get back her life’s work. As a designer myself, I’m surrounded by toxic men and have to deal with them on a daily, and what she did really resonated with my experience. Freeing herself from that situation was really empowering… Insecure men at the workplace are the worst, ha.

fortaylormore

Hi! I've always liked Taylor's music but I consider myself a Swiftie since Midnights. That's because I didn't listen to Taylor that much before that, only some of the singles. There's not any particular reason for that, I just had a different taste and liked different artists. However, for the last 15 months, I've fathomed so much about this new world that I actually wish I had found Taylor earlier. Life is so much better when you are a fan of hers and people who still hate her are obsessed with talking about how bad she is because they've run out of anything else to talk about and realize Taylor is someone that's gonna make them famous. With every move she makes someone is gonna say something bad about it, but I think we've already gotten used to it. In the meantime, people can hate on her all they want, she's still on top of the world!! 🤍

Lucy

I'm absolutely devasted I lost Electric Touch 2 shows into 2024! I was desperate for this to be at my show😭

Marissa

It’s funny I’m not on Twitter or TikTok and I didn’t hear any particular hate directed at Taylor, more just some news articles about how people on the right are developing all these conspiracy theories about her relationship with Travis, which is just pitiful 😂 I think a lot of average people are rooting for her and think she’s doing fantastic ☺️

Madison

love this little community so much

Jennaly

Really late in responding but to Bonny and Em I just want to reply to say that I agree that she is a good person at her core, but good people can make mistakes and do bad things. I don't think it was ok for her to send a cease and desist to the guy tracking her flights, for example, as it's already public info and Elon Musk tried and failed to do the same thing. I thought it was BS when Elon Musk did it, and it would be hypocritical for me not to criticize her for that too, for example.

Jennaly

I am not suggesting that she fly commerical. But she is using her jet like a regular person uses a car, when she could actually in fact just... use a car.

lola

I became a diehard swiftie in August 2021 and seeing her blow up like literally a couple months after I “joined the club” made me feel like I got here in the nick of time LOL

Kristen

i’m so happy the Eyes Open fathoming happened!!!!! i was screaming at the screen. but i didn’t pick up on the falling apart stuff 👀👀👀

macieelynn

I have always listened to Taylor swift and have listened to a few songs on previous albums but I had never fully listened to each album when the release happened. I saw your YouTube video where you were breaking down Red and I watched the entire 3 hour video. From there I started watching all of your videos and was so excited leading up to Red TV and ever since have been completely obsessed even more. I love you guys so much!!

Hayley

Completely agree! She holds so much power and influence and made a whole documentary about speaking up politically and now has been completely silent for months. A lot of the "hate" has been completely valid criticism in my opinion on her billionaire status, insane jet use, and silence on genocide. But there is also a ton of rando haters who jump on the hate train for no reason. It's a mix for sure

Katy Magner

I just have to remind myself that as hard as it is to see all this hate, it’s literally fueled her biggest songs! But yes, it’s so upsetting to see

Alex Engstrom

I am going to say, Eyes Open does not get enough credit. I loved it when it came out but everyone was too focused on Safe & Sound which I understand. But also with so many fans at the moment I feel like it is hard for her to be as personable as she once was. She always miraculously manages to find a way but not quite the same. Either way I love that she isn't going away anytime soon. So the more the merrier.

Jenny MacRunnel

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCe7PGEPkwIX164nY9IwtTcw/community?lb=UgkxQh2xqQ11dxG5omzFIV__lUnEzbm6q1Sj A perspective about the jet emissions that I agree with. I appreciate your criticism, that is totally valid, but Taylor is one person and can't fix every problem on this planet. The situation in Palestine...unfortunaetly, that is a mess that's been brewing for thousands of years, its so deep seated to the cultures...its not something any one person, even Taylor Swift could ever fix.

Grif H

Hi friend, just wanna clarify a few things here. For the emissions issue I think people have a warped understanding of what "carbon offsets" are, there is tons of conversation from climate experts talking about why they aren't effective so I would recommend reading into that to form your own opinion. As for the conflict in Palestine, no one expects Taylor to "fix it" I think that is an insane expectation, however her lending her voice and raising awareness to this issue could be massive. Right now media is actively trying to suppress and warp the publics understanding of the conflict (for example this conflict is not 1000s of years old but rather an effect of 20th century colonialism) and having someone as influential as Taylor putting out as simple as a statement as "I stand with Palestine" could and would entirely change the general publics awareness of this issues. You're right, Taylor can't fix climate change or geopolitical conflicts, but she is massively influential (a thing we all love about her) and with that influence comes a burden to use it for good and get critiqued when you aren't. Again, no one expects Taylor to bring about world peace, but her voice carries massive weight and could be used to start a lot of change!

Brooke (Taylor’s Version)

I became part of the fandom last January 2023. My friend was talking about her all the time and so I got curious. I started with midnights and just went back from there. I started watching your videos in August. I was never a Taylor hater, but I definitely remember thinking that she was overrated, which is silly because I didn’t even know her songs other than the big hits.

Jan-Erik 🌲

«Oh Hi!» 👋🏼 I have listened to Taylor’s «hits» ever since the Fearless Era, but I didn’t care to listen to the «not-hits-songs». Then one day i heard «Anti Hero», and then I was like «Shit this album must be good, lets give it a chance».. Long Story Short, I’m now a Swiftie and in the top 0,05 % listeners on Spotify 🙈 Imagine my experience of 2023.. I discovered, and heard for the first time, all Taylor Swift albums. My mind was and still is completely blown 😍🪩 So TTPD is actually the first album (not re-recording) I’m waiting for! I can’t wait to sob to this album too 🥂🌲 And thank you for making these amazing reaction / Taylor Swift videos! Love it!! 🫶🏼

paulina

I can relate to taking hate on Taylor personal. In Germany right now I feel like the hate is growing so fast and so high it truly feels like Reputation Era. It’s just ,cool’ to hate her or like you mentioned People just want to have a different opinion. Whenever i see a post about her comments on social media are flooded with ,,most overhyped person”, ,,how can someone enjoy this stupid radio music”, ,,nobody cares about her” and it really gets tiring because I try so hard to defend Taylor and her Music and what she means to SO MANY people but I learned that it’s a waste of time and that this people are just sad and need someone to hate on. Basically the only place at this time where I really talk about Taylor and express my happiness and excitement about her is your Patreon and our Discord because everywhere else I literally get attacked (sometimes it even get personally) just for being a Fan of hers.

Heather Wambach

I started listening right after Midnights! I was doing NaNoWriMo and writing a 50,000 word novel in November 2022 and created a playlist for my main character with Folklore, Evermore and Midnights. I listened to it while writing and after that month I kept on listening. When a friend invited me to try and get resale tickets for the Eras Tour in early 2023, I started listening to an Eras Tour playlist on Spotify. I spent last year discovering and falling in love with everything from Speak Now to Midnights (not a huge country fan so her first two albums aren’t my jam). Your YouTube channel was a big part of my Taylor education and helped me appreciate her music even more. You also gave me the opportunity to squeal with excitement with people who were as crazy for Taylor as I have become. Thank you for everything that you do! It’s been amazing to experience this past year alongside people who are so passionate about the greatest songwriter of our lifetime.

Claire Williams

I started listening after folklore! I've always been a Taylor fan and listening to Debut, Fearless, and Speak now was a huge part of my childhood, I had those albums downloaded on my iPhone lol. But I was never a major, mega, ULTIMATE swiftie until folklore, and couldn’t figure out why. Then, I remembered that Taylor was not on Spotify for a bit and that's what I started to use to stream music. I remember loving This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things because my swiftie friend would play it in her car and then I bought it on Apple Music so I could listen. After that, she was on Spotify and I started to listen to Cornelia Street and DBTC on Lover, but again I wasn't fathoming these full albums or Taylor. Then, folklore. HOW COULD I NOT FATHOM AFTER THAT!! I fell down a rabbit hole *wink wink* and became obsessed. I was scrolling on TikTok and saw a clip of your reaction video for folklore and the rest is history. I absolutely adore Taylor and you guys so much, I look forward to your videos and get excited when you post. Ever since then, I get so excited to see your reactions to Taylor's announcements and releases, it honestly is a part of the whole experience now hehe love you guys so much!

Joe Weaver

Wow, the cutoff is since Midnights? I'm a veteran Swiftie! Maybe not quite but it's crazy I'm getting close to 3 years.

lizzy

edit*I should have waited until the end. thank you bonny. some fathoming happened lmao.* ok i know how you guys feel about eyes open but i've always thought it must be super personal to her and i'm sorry but can we fathom HER SPEECH ABOUT IT BEING RELATABLE RIGHT NOW?! "eyes open" lyrics with all the eyes on her and travis...then that emotional rendition of "electric touch"?! like her anxiety that everyone is watching but she wants this to work out and she has so much hope. it feels emo in a hopeful positive way but i hadn't thought of how much sense the two songs make in the way she played them?! please someone fathom with me, i know eyes ope isn't for everyone but the lyrics and anxiety and both songs being rockesque but stripped back... i'm having a moment.

lizzy

I so desperately felt what you guys were saying near the end about needing to defend her, it feeling so personal and just wanting to help people see the truth of her (even if they don't love her imo)... but needing to step back from it because they're not going to see it if they don't want to. I love that we have this space to just enjoy and fathom on a deeper level in a positive way without having to explain or justify. Love you girls <3

Hannah

The only Taylor songs I knew before until last year were love story and I knew you were trouble (and shake it off but I didn't realize it was her). I had a vaguely positive opinion about her and in my head she was just saved as country music person and I'd say I must have lived on the moon to not take notice of her success and shifting to pop, but I was traveling at the time, mostly in Australia hahaha. I had just sort of stopped following 'mainstream' music since the beginning of 2014. Aaaaanyway I started going down the swiftie rabbit hole last year January. I've been listening to Selena's music for a a couple of years then and sort of vaguely noticed a hype around midnights so I was just curious to give it a listen. Then Karma got stuck in my head really badly and then also some other songs. So then I started listening to more and more songs and it turned into an addiction that I had to take breaks from cause day and night my head was singing her songs. It took me a while to open up to her non-pop albums, especially the older ones but now I freaking love it all. so. so. SOOO much. I neeeeeeeever ever thought this would happen to me. I was just being curious in one moment one year ago. And now I'm spending a lot of my evenings embroiding an outfit for my eras tour concert in June, often while watching your videos. Taylor's music has enriched my life so much and it's just absolutely crazy how much space it has in me. I could probably write or talk about why I got stuck with her forever haha, I'll let it be for now.

Giovana Pimenta

i’m a swiftie since folklore, which makes me a baby fan i guess hahahaha and for me that album was what made the fandom expand the most, no? i honestly didn’t feel much of a difference after red tv, i don’t know… the other moment where things exploded again was definitely with the eras tour imo

yuki 🤍

the pairing of eyes open and electric touch is deeply concerning actually. She’s so huge now that people are watching her every move, and at the same time she’s also navigating the beginning of something that I think she really hopes won’t end in heartbreak. IT’S ALL SO DELICATE

KCK

These afterthought edits / extra fathoming are superior! Even if things are going well how can she not be haunted/spooked by the past fall “from the pedestal right down the rabbit hole?” It must be so hard to just LIVE IN THE PRESENT and not let past/future, regret/worry take over. That is why songwriting is a healing balm and the stage itself is Holy Ground, always!

Kate Harney

Red Taylor’s Version is the reason I am now a stan. I am only a few years younger than Taylor so knowing all of her big hits was a high school survival tactic for this alt rock/emo girly. Had my first real heartbreak when stolen Red came out, fell in love with that album but then found kacey musgraves. I found your videos on YouTube during Red TV and have been along for the ride since. Currently re-fathoming these secret songs for TTPDs clues to better understand this chaotic queen!

Mary 🫶🏻🇨🇦

Midnights was the first album I listened to and I was deep in depression. I really needed something positive to focus on so I began a huge project listening to all the albums and reading the lyrics, watching docs, and in finding your channel it felt like the one source of pure joy and love I could hold on to like an emotional vampire. Just feeling the love you have for her and her for us, that was something I really needed and it helped pull me out of such a bad place and push myself to ask for help. Thank you girls ♥️

Kim

Going trough old videos, I just need to say. Emily you're so funny actually. The last 10 minutes of this video, lmao help

Lisa

Honestly, I kinda just lived my little life and just never really crossed paths with Taylor until around a year ago. I’ve never been really interested in celebrities and I just knew songs like You Belong with me, Love Story and Shake it off from the Radio. Yes, I heard about Taylor Swift suddenly making Pop music with 1989 and her disappearing and then dropping Reputation but just never enough that I was able to take my mind and energy to really look into it as a lot was ging on in my life for many years and I was just trying to hang on. Last year one of my fave german Instagram girlies fell into the Taylor Swift rabbit hole on tiktok and honestly just took me with her 😂 to this day I still don‘t understand how I’ve missed out on her for 24 years 🤯 but I am beyond thankful I get to have her in my life now and that I will have her in my life for the rest of my life so after all, I will have her for many more years than the years of not having her 🥰

Courtney

I have watched Bonnie’s cackled to Emily’s “if you’re a part of that group, love you so much” an unhealthy amount of times 🤣🤣

Brenda1989

I think it’s crazy she wrote this song well over a decade before she met the man who brought her back to life with his electric touch and also uses the word electric to describe how amazing things are!!

Deb

Hello, I'm just watching this video and to answer your question, I knew Taylor Swift's top hits but wasn't really a "fan" until she joined Chief's Kingdom. As a big Kelce fan, I did some searches to learn more about her and ran across the Swiftologist page which was the most negative content. I thought, if this is someone who Stans her, she must be a terrible person. Then I found the Chats and Reacts site and it was so much more positive and focused on actual critique and music appreciation (fathoming's as you call it). TTPD was the first real album release I was there for and immediately judged it a masterpiece of poetry. I was horrified when I heard all the discourse about how awful the album was... but finally figured out that much of this was bot/professional troll driven. The fans actually loved the album. (always remember that x and tiktok are not the real world). Always reality check between the noise on social media and actual sales and streams. The behavior of fans steams and purchases are reality vs the bots who drive negative click bait. I also find it funny that songs are "attached" to a love interest, but often this seems to be found to be incorrect. So I try to appreciate the poetry for the overall meaning (since I really don't know the lore as you call it) and find I can better understand the intent of the lyrics and the intended messages about life. She is clearly a very gifted writer.

buleo🇫🇷

to answer your question what triggered my interest what the fact she was doing taylor’s versions. The business women got me before the singer …