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Vgoldtime

Damn those sons and daughter of two bit hoes . Cao Cao I seriously don't care about your ideology because if you need divine weapons that you didn't make to actually kill gods then you ain't showing the will and strength of humanity, your showing just how good God's craftsmanship is .

Bob Saget

I'm offended on Gabriel's behalf that she'd let her attacks be absorbed and redirected by Caocao after she sees him pull off the trick with Jiro's ice. She is not a stranger to mysterious powers or high level fights.

coldpyr0

Always felt like complete BS that a human like Cao Cao is somehow as powerful as he is just because he has the pokey stick. He's still a normal ass human, and if he trained to that level of strength he should have touki, but no, he's just strong because the author was lazy. Also, why do you keep having Jiro approach things like his only option is punching them? He literally had the throne and every chump in that room is relying on artifacts made by God and managed by the system left in heaven. Didn't even think to disrupt them, just punch him real hard...

Bob Saget

I'll give it another closer read later, but this comes off as trying to make a very uneven fight come off as somewhat even, for fake suspense. Which feels filler-y rather than entertaining. I could believe Georg and Caocao causing trouble. But the rest are both badly outnumbered and insultingly outgunned.

Ebiris Fanfiction

As we saw when he fixed Forbidden Balor View for Gasper, he needs to be touching in order to mess with someone else's sacred gear. He can't just turn them off remotely. Martial arts unfortunately are Jiro's mainstay until he gets a more practical weapon or lucks into becoming an archmage. He could go full hydro/cryo-mancer, but that's a very recent ability he's pretty much doing a live fire test of in this fight.

Ebiris Fanfiction

This is the same Cao Cao that solo'd Azazel, Vali, and the entire Gremory peerage, remember. If the Hero Faction can't present a challenge, then we're basically done, it's over.

Bob Saget

Well yeah, that's why I said him and Georg causing trouble makes sense. Longinus are Longinus. But Jiro's group has been buffed too hard by the wiki, and are too numerous, for the others to be able to do much but quickly lose. I'll have more in-depth feedback later, but I'm confident in that part of the read.

anon patron

i'm actually enjoying this fight, i think this is about the level everyone should be at, with if anything jiro's group actually being weaker on average then the hero faction but with a greater number and a few heavy hitters that are as strong if not stronger then what the hero faction has, but the hero faction have proparly got way more experince and training but jiro's group has his cheating boner granted power that have made a lot of them this strong

Ebiris Fanfiction

I've rewritten that segment a tad to make it more clear that Gabriel isn't launching fresh attacks after Jiro's ice got absorbed but it's the few that got past Heracles after he was put in timeout by Gasper. There's an element of 'comic book panel dialogue' in fitting exposition in at superspeed, but pushing Cao Cao's description of the gimmick to after he catches Gabriel's attack makes it more plausible.

Einar Strandberg

I don't get why people are complaining; this seems like an even if not uphill battle

Helen of Boy

This is a fun scene, so far. I look forward to the Longinus Sword reveal, as that might well get two separate members of the Hero Faction to crash out. One of which (Jeanne) will likely crash out all the harder when she learns that Jiro (and, notably, his *allies*) are responsible for bringing God back to life. Also, that God's alive again and her work probably wasn't relevant. Also, that when Gabriel says God is interested in Jiro she's *not* being metaphorical (even if she's not being prurient, either). Lots of fallout incoming, in other words, even if the fight ended immediately.

Bob Saget

Some more clearly defined criticisms of the fight scene: 1. Jiro not having all his gear equipped. It's a huge stretch considering they didn't know where they'd be teleporting to, and Ophis has explicitly gifted her snakes to many terrorists. On a reader level it's also extremely dissatisfying that Jiro will once again not be using his defense ignoring super-move even though this situation is suited for it. 2. No mention of Jiro's inner flames reacting to the Maniratana or Caocao's powerup, even though it's explicitly divine bullshit. 3. No mention of what Yuuka or Taihou are doing to win the fight. Which there might be good reasons for (I'm guessing a geometrically guided sure-hit railgun shot at the start of next chapter), but that weird gap in coverage of 'who's doing what' is suspiciously inconvenient from the limited reader POV. 4. Rias too conveniently assuming a holding position, even though unlike Akeno and Ravel she has the skills and fine control necessary for immediate closer-ranged combat, and it'd be tactically better if she were to do something like join efforts with Koneko right off the bat. The overall effect is that it feels staged for Jiro's side to underperform. And that if it weren't staged, one or more of the minor combatants like Heracles would already be out for the count.