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72 - The Parapolitics of Britpop 2: Midnight, the Stars and You (Patreon)

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I carved a swastika into the forehead of the motherland and said, "I think this might just be my masterpiece."

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John

PARKLIFE

John
>>115761131

I love that u fucking hate that tune. I always associate it with that massive plonker russel brand.

Divad Kong

Looking forward to this one for sure, a bit of a treat after some of the more vegetable rich complex episodes I'm thinking. Oh, I meant to say for anyone wanting some really good electronic alternative stuff from around the time check out the autechre mix on fact mag or maybe mixmag that was in celebration of artificial intelligence records. It's not a hundred percent UK but there's a lot of UK artists on there.. It's good shit https://youtu.be/jeaDYzY9dKc

Gareth Watkins

The Shirley Jackson and Derrida quotes put me in mind of Tell Me I'm Worthless by Alison Rumfitt - if you're into fucked Anglo vibes then you'd be into it.

Michael S. Judge

I Personally Escorted Jack "The Hat" McVitie's Funeral Barque to the Western Lands

Michael S. Judge

As a dumb Yank, it's always been amazing to me how seriously the soi-disant British pop culture press is taken and takes itself; Frank Zappa used to talk in the ’70s about an effective microtrend industrial complex fostered by the competition, real or fake, between all those fookin weekly magazines, and about how they were all hyper-attuned to the tiniest thing they could conceivably call a "wave" or a "vogue," in order to "beat" each other on stories by simply making them up (hence his not-often-heard B-side "Dead Girls of London" and its immortal repeated couplet "'Boutique Frame of Mind' / Gee, I like your pants!").

GhostStoriesForTheEnd
>>115770453

I checked out of reading NME when they were trying to make nu rave a thing around 15, 16 years ago. One day you realise it's largely just A&R guys throwing money around to fuel a hype cycle of microtrends. I think a big rite of passage for weirdo indie kids used to be reaching a point where you could not suffer music press buffoonery anymore, so you'd...start reading Pitchfork as the sophisticated alternative to the NME, ha. How young we were.

NYCM&AHole

I remember this stuff, but I’m all about the band CARCASS

Tvvvv

As an American, I didn’t think I would care about any of this. Great episode.

Jack Lawrence

Your return back to this blighted isle has been much anticipated and more than worth the wait. Also, have you heard any Disco Inferno? I think they provide a great but slim window into a wider world of what 90s British pop/rock could've been if it was as forward thinking as the 60s material the scene worshipped so fervently.

TheLifeNecrotic

I loved the cultural overview of the music , what it meant and the culture around it even though it meant less conspiracy. It’s a good mix, the occasional episodes like this work well

Willy D

I feel less shitty about liking some oasis songs after you admitted in this ep they’ve got some bangers lol

GhostStoriesForTheEnd
>>115796687

Nowhere is the clash between head and heart when it comes to music more starkly exposed than Oasis, for me. My head says no but my heart says, "Have it". Impossible not to sing along. The perfect band when you're five or six beers into a summer's evening.

Karl Childers

tbh as a millennial these episodes are very helpful in explicating what the hell "music scenes" even were in the sense of living social and political expressions, cuz by the time i was old enough to pay attention they'd already largely been replaced by top-down brand-commodified imitations of a thing which i didn't even recognize cuz i'd never seen the thing they were imitating

Rob Keery
>>115763598

A great cover really - super aware of how fucked and backward Britpop was, but unable to escape its momentary strength - an intended condemnation which lands like a cheeky celebration (or maybe the other way round). The moment irony in pop broke under its own contradictions, never to return, buried under the deadweight of coldplay

Ben Thelen

Fucking great. Truly. Inspiring. A real challenge issued here.

NYCM&AHole
>>115797968

It’s amazing how no one worries about selling out when that was like the worst thing you could do in the 80s and 90s as a musician. It’s no longer a thing because selling out happens at the inception.

NYCM&AHole

Listening to terms like baggy and lion rock is kinda funny because those terms are over my head. And I never remember rave culture being anything big in the states. Sure I remember oasis being big and on the radio and blur and and and. Good series. Am loving it.

Hans Langemann

Super interesting! as a continental euro, a lot of this stuff doesn't really make it over here like the US music does. Tangential question, do have opinions on the movies of Guy Richie? To me it seems like Brit-Pop in movie form, cocky, chauvinistic, and wearing it's influences on it's sleeve. He emerged in the same time as well.

KYZ

Interesting to note that the YBA had investment from wife strangler satchi. I think he also had an entire warehouse of his YBA art burnt down...

Louise Duke

I would recommend England Is Mine: Pop Life In Albion From Wilde To Goldie by Michael Bracewell. It's particularly good on the recurring image of Pan in English pop culture and the longing for a mythic past.

J D

The bit about McCartney not wanting to appear English / Lennon’s comment about being ashamed of being British on the continent just blew my mind - because of course they come out of Irish migration to Liverpool. Culturally, then, it makes sense but there is an irony of the Beatles being an ostensibly English/British phenomenon but having proletarian Irish immigrant origins. This also applies to Oasis, but by the 90s the organised working class is battered after the miners strike and the conflict in Ireland is not at its height - so you there’s perhaps not the same ambiguous relationship towards national identity.

Alexis

I'm American, and years ago a British family friend went on a drunken rant about how the Britpop bands were fakes and wankers. At the time I couldn't fathom what he was on about, but I think I have an idea now.

A Sentient Katamari of Bad Life Decisions

I grew up in Britain in the mid 90s, but somehow this is all new to me. My parents must have sheltered me from the dark reality of Britpop. I have to say though, deliberately not playing Parklife just meant I had to go look it up myself and I'm definitely I'm not alone in this... so it was a nice gesture and all but in the end there was no saving us from Parklife.

Kourosh

These episodes are fantastic. Please unlock ep1 so I can para-pill my normie, Brit pop loving friends!

420_WEED_MANIAC_69

The echoes of 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' fade into the distance, overtaken by reggae-tinged riffs and tribal beats. This is the future that should have been ours, but were robbed of.

Jess 🐞

The US political thread that ultimately connects UK Rave to Nirvana is Disco Demolition Night at Comiskey Park, July 12 1979. And this has me thinking that maybe, just maybe, if we wanted to attempt to reverse-engineer Kurt on Kosovo we could get there by following the interwoven paths of Portisheadified late 2nd wave Black Metal and the Gabber-to-Hardbass spectrum. I wish I was joking. All roads lead to Breakcore.

MCR

Great episode. I especially enjoyed your Keir Starmer voice - spot-on prissiness :)

John
>>115806451

I think his movies are shite. Thats just me though lots of people enjoy them.

John

I finished school in the 90’s in dublin and rave was just kicking off then. The first serious raves were in 92 -94 and i am glad i was there for those times. Eventually all the tunes migrated over to “nightclubs” that sold beer and had slow sets. Oasis was massive aswell at the same time and i absolutely fucking hated them. I can’t speak for the UK but in ireland the rave scene was far grittier and was a rougher scene altogether. Definitely a big divide between rave & oasis. I always associated the UK rave scene with blokes with dyed blond hair. It kinda became a joke eventually but the early years really were special. Anyways, phenomenal podcast. Plenty to think about.

Ana McKenna

Someone needs to edit that Caretaker-esque mix of Mike Flowers singing Wonderwall to footage of Liam singing it. Everywhere At The End Of Britpop.

Caroline Gee

Great series. So crazy how much the Oasis guys ape John Lennon’s singing voice

Hodag

My youth and music era was late 80s and 90s in the US. Until Nirvana pop music was shit but there was an archipelago of small venues playing rock and "alternative" music which was great. Then it all turned to shit or I just aged out of it. The owner of the best rock bar I've ever been to got their lease pulled, she married the lead singer of Wilco and now she is a housewife in the neighborhood. Sad!

Catherine Hutchinson

Blairites are now in overt charge of Labour again, and Boeing, Babcock and Palentir will be hosted by the New Statesman at party conference fringe events this year. Things are no longer just bleak and fake, Starmer's channelling some straight-up dark energy, empty vessel that he is himself. Need a new playlist ....

smith

good stuff mate. might be worth noting that portions of th rave thing was tied up with football casual culture. lot's of the acid house stuff was run by millwall firm, and you can fall down some weird rabbit holes when it comes to the ecstasy supply.

Theresa Sandin

Is it still possible to download the sound file? I'm very oldfashioned...

Joshua P. Kelly

fantastic mini series 🙏🙏 best podcast, bar (italia) none. inspired me to jam black box recorder today. was a sophomore in HS when “the facts of life” was released - played it so much the CD eventually stopped playing. i’ll still never forgot the first time I heard the chorus of “child psychology” 😳😭😭

Lukas Lion
>>116005021

That's a shame, but Wilco is pretty good imo. Side With the Seeds and Hate it Here from Sky Blue Sky (as well as the title track and much of the rest of it really) are pretty great for a more mellow jam-bandish sorta mood. Same as Yankee Hotel Foxtrot. Plus, I mean, I'm sure at this point Jeff Tweedy has made enough cash that they wouldn't have to worry about being destitute, and with the way the world (in particular the West/Anglo world) is these days...iunno hard to blame anyone for that choice really even if it can be a bit cliché and soul crushing. C'est la vie.

poblano pepper union

First series I've listened to from this podcast and I'm instantly a huge fan. I think the Britpop revisionism may already be happening in an ironically skewered way. You aware of the band bar italia? Their music is like a distorted mirror view of the trends from this era.

Hermione Hassleback

Which comedian was it talking about “political correctness gone mad”? How refreshing to hear him literally fronting up to his audience and highlighting their reactionary views

dogsbeout

Loved this series. On the whole, this show is an astounding piece of work. Do you have any feelings about Irvine Welsh generally and his novel Glue specifically? I haven’t read any of his stuff since high school but I remember feeling like Glue had an interesting take on the transition/intersection of punk and rave in Scotland. Anyway, like I said, incredible stuff.